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George W. Bush's Vision For a Democratic Middle East Is Coming True
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syria comtemplating a partial withdrawal of troops as international pressure mounts:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/04/syria/index.html
Assad will make an unexpected address to Syria's parliament on Saturday, the country's official news agency announced Friday.
Lebanon's defense minister said he expected Assad to announce a pullback of troops to the Bekaa region in eastern Lebanon, near the Syrian border, but not a full withdrawal, The Associated Press reported.
"No one knows what President Assad will say except the president himself, but we expect President Assad to announce a redeployment to the Bekaa region," Abdul-Rahim Murad, a member of the pro-Syrian government in Beirut, told AP.
When asked whether the redeployment meant a full withdrawal, Murad answered, "No."
Former Lebanese Deputy Prime Minister Issam Fares told CNN he expected Assad to announce the timing of a partial withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon, in addition to a redeployment to the border and an eventual pullout.
bush responds that a partial withdrawal is not enough:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/04/us.syria.ap/index.html
President Bush on Friday flatly rejected any partial withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon, saying he will not accept the kind of "half-measures" Damascus is expected to propose as a compromise.
"There are no half-measures at all," Bush said during an event here on his Social Security proposals. "When the United States and France say withdraw, we mean complete withdrawal, no halfhearted measures."
ARYC:
"alot of people believe that the cia may have been behind that assassination, and that the cia is also behind these protests (organizationally) in order to garner public outrage against syria, and ultimately justify a u.s. military intervention. george bush does not care about the lebanese people, they are pawns against syria. just like the iraqi people were pawns against saddam. the u.s. has been building a case for military action against syria for some time. look at the syrian accountability act of 2003. all of a sudden with this assassination the pressure and attention is suddenly on syria. very convenient for the u.s."
oh yeah because Syria are so above assassinations ... plz. what about bachir gemayel , rene mouawad, kamal jumblatt , 17000 lebanese prisonners that no1 knows anything about ,100s of massacres, bachar el assad's dad killed 20 000 civilians in hama (which is in Syria) and bulldozed over them.
How come every key political leader that has stood up against the syrians always ends up dead?
that's the way they operate : off the with the resistance's head and the movement will die down . They failed to realise that this time they went too far.
Also how about the fact that when Hariri was called up (not invited , called up) to damascus , Bachar told him something along the line of :"a no to Lahoud is a no to me , you will vote yes to Lahoud or the city u built will be destroyed on you" L'orient le jour(i'm sure they have some kind of an internet site , not sure if it's in english) reported this and used the phrase "barely veiled threats".
So yeah , Fuck the ba'athist party , fuck Syria and there dogs in Lebanon.
As for the CIA being behind the protests (organising them) , COME ON!!!!!!! We have protested before under the security forces beatings and oppression , this is just the 1st time it's anything of this scale (and no it's not because the CIA is behind it , it's because parents , childred , grandparents , college students of christian , sunni and Druze backgrounds came in droves because we ARE FED UP)
and the 1st time u guys hear anything of it , so guys like u and the "many people" who believe that the CIA are behind this ,based there theories on what they've heard over the past 2-3 weeks.
the link at the end of my sig is a small history of Syrian "activities" during the war.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: CWalker187 on February 28, 2005, 12:13:49 PM ---Has anyone been paying attention to what is happening in Lebanon? If you don't know, Lebanon is a small Arab country that is controlled by Syria. The Syrian army occupies the country and they oppress and torture the Lebanese populaion. A few weeks ago, a former prime minister of Lebanon was assasinated by Syria. Well, the people of Lebanon have apparently had enough because since then they have taken to the streets to protest the Syrian presence and have called for independence and freedom. Those kind of protests have been revolutionary in that part of the world and would have been unthinkable just years ago. And today the pro Syrian politicians in Lebanon have resigned in response to the dramatic public pressure, giving the Lebanese people a triumphant victory.
The reason that I bring this up is because the American neo-conservative vision is becoming reality before our eyes. The radical democratic transformation of the Middle East has begun. Democracy and freedom are contagious, and what the US has accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be contained by borders. What happened in Lebanon, the successful elections in Iraq and Afganistan, local elections recently held in Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Palestinians finally working for peace, Libya giving up its nuclear weapons program, etc.......these are all the products of President Bush's grand vision for the Middle East. When it is all said and done, the neoconservatives are going to be proven to be right and all the liberals, the Europeans, and anyone else who doubted the US will have egg on their face again (just like when they doubted President Reagan and the arms build up that ultimately led to the end of the cold war. As history shows us, liberals are always wrong when it comes to foreign policy. Iraq will be no different.)
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It's funny that you have so much sympathy for what you call Syria's terrbile occupation of Lebanon. I'm sure you stay up nights feeling so sorry for those occupied Lebanese under Syrian control. I just want to remind you, so that you can sleep better at night, that if you are so comfortable with America's occupation in Iraq of 150,000 troops then the Lebanese occupation is extremely mild in comparison, consisting of less than 15,000 troops. And while Syria has now supposedly assisinated a Lebanese leader, I want to remind you that America has assisinated 100's of Iraqi leaders. And you claim without proof that Syria has tortured and oppressed Lebanese citizens, but I assure you with proof that America has made national headlines for it's torture and abuses of Iraqi citizens that surpasses the torture of Sadaam.
And by the way, Isreal is not really going to pull out, they are still destroying houses as we speak, and they are still driving deeper into Palestinian territory, this is the reality on the ground.
By the way, are you outraged about Isreal's occupation and destruction of Lebanon in the 80's? Because it far surpassed that of Syria.
Syria leaving Lebanon pales in comparison to America and Isreal's occupation of Iraq, Afganistan, and Palestine.
Your skewed vision of reality openly displays your prejudice.
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Fattak:
How come every key political leader that has stood up against the syrians always ends up dead?
that's the way they operate : off the with the resistance's head and the movement will die down.
what people are questioning is the timing of this particular assassination. this isn't a question of syria's history in the region. it's easy to frame a murderer that already has blood on their hands.
As for the CIA being behind the protests (organising them) , COME ON!!!!!!!
the cia is known to fund and provide strategic guidance to opposition groups of regimes antagonistic to the u.s. that is what they do. noone is saying the cia was disguised and staged the protests. what people are saying is that the cia is adding fuel to the flames.
you are arguing from the perspective of the lebanese people that are unhappy with syria. people are not arguing in defense of syria; however they are suspicious that the u.s. or israel is using the lebanese people as pawns against syria.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Sunset Boulevard on February 28, 2005, 12:18:26 PM ---your right
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Your from the Middle East! Your Iranian!
And you agree with CWalkers vision of the middle east, CWalker would rather see your people have their country bombed and pillaged, then to see your country trading it's goods and resources on an open market and developing a few weapons for it's defense. That's what they are talking about doing right now. They are applying economic sanctions to starve your people, and want to destroy your homeland just because your people want to develop some nuclear energy. You agree with all that? You agree with this propaganda? This is CWalkers vision for the middle east and your country. Turn you into hard workers and laborers for US corporations privatizing land in your country, and if your not willing to do that then they'll blow your head off.
That makes me sick, you would probably join them in the destruction of your homeland (Iran) if they told you you would get to have sex with Jennifer Anistan (or any white woman) when it was all over.
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