Bonds Could be done for the season

[Perfection]

A dejected Barry Bonds said Tuesday there's a chance he might not return this season because of multiple knee surgeries.

   
Bonds


"Right now I'm just going to try to rehab myself to get back to, I don't know, hopefully next season, hopefully the middle of the season. I don't know. Right now I'm just going to take things slow. I feel bad for the guys [Giants teammates] because I want to be out there for them," he said Tuesday after meeting with San Francisco Giants trainer Stan Conte for 1½ hours.

"I'm 40 years old, not 20, 30."

When asked directly if he said he might not be back until midseason or next season, Bonds answered, "Maybe. I told you that before I left, remember? You thought I was joking."

The seven-time NL MVP, who returned to spring camp on crutches Tuesday following last week's surgery, made his remarks while sitting at a picnic table outside the Giants' clubhouse with his 15-year-old son, Nikolai, at his side.

While Bonds was defiant and confrontational during his first press conference of the spring on Feb. 22, he was despondent Tuesday, using the word "tired" 14 times during his approximate 10-minute session.

 “ You wanted me to jump off the bridge, I finally have jumped. You wanted the bring me down, you've finally brought me and my family down. Finally done it. From everybody, all of you. So now go pick a different person. ”
  — Barry Bonds

"I really don't have much to say anymore," Bonds said. "My son and I just going to enjoy life. My family's tired. You guys [the media] wanted to hurt me bad enough, you finally got there.

"You wanted me to jump off the bridge, I finally have jumped. You wanted to bring me down, you've finally brought me and my family down. Finally done it. From everybody, all of you. So now go pick a different person. I'm done. Do the best I can, that's about it."

When asked if there was something specific he was talking about, Bonds said, "Inner hurt, physical, mentally. Done. I'm mentally drained. I'm tired of my kids crying. Tired."

Bonds originally underwent knee surgery on Jan. 31. Four days later he accidentally hit his knee on a table at SBC Park in San Francisco and the knee had periods of swelling. An MRI last week revealed further tears in the knee.

Conte said there was no way of knowing whether the incident on Feb. 4 caused further damage.

"And we don't care," Conte said. "We're starting with a clean slate. We'll try to get it right."

Bonds begins the season third on the career homers list with 703, trailing Babe Ruth (714) and Hank Aaron (755).

Last September, the Giants dropped a provision that would have allowed them to void Bonds' $18 million salary in 2006 if he failed to reach 500 plate appearances this year or 1,500 combined from 2003 to 2005, including at least 400 this year.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


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[hisairness]

I guess those 'roids caused more damage than he thought...

Hopefully he'll make it back.  I'd like to see him break the record...steroids or not, I don't really care.

[eS El Duque]

oh that sucks

[Just Another Sunny day in California]

he just doesn't want to be tested for steroids during the season because he'll get caught for sure hahaha naw i don't know

[Hittman2001]

Yup, he probably has to get used to the fact that he will have to function without steriods.  He's gonna come back looking as "skinny" as McGwire did at that congressional hearing 

[Javier]

Barry Bonds* needs to retire already.  This was the Giants best year before they go completely downhill...looks like the downhill road will start in 2005.  and the dodgers are about to go on complete NL West dominance until another GM comes up with the perfect plan from the NL West

[Perfection]

Barry Bonds* needs to retire already.  This was the Giants best year before they go completely downhill...looks like the downhill road will start in 2005.  and the dodgers are about to go on complete NL West dominance until another GM comes up with the perfect plan from the NL West

The Dodgers aren't doing a damn thing. Hey I'm a Dodger fan but the GM of the Dodgers Paul D is an complete idoit who has made some of the dumbest moves in the history of sports. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere until they get a GM who knows what he is doing and doesn't base oa move on the fact that his buddy Billy Bean might give him a pat on the back.

The Giants are still go enough to win the NL West (this is coming from Peter Gammons) & the Padres are also better than the Dodgers.

[authentic]

NL west is nothing. Bonds has had his entire career crumpled up and thrown into the garbage this past month. MLB has spit upon his name with these lawsuits i can understand his stress and depression

[Perfection]

NL west is nothing. Bonds has had his entire career crumpled up and thrown into the garbage this past month. MLB has spit upon his name with these lawsuits i can understand his stress and depression

The stress he puts on himself. It has nothing to do with the media or MLB. Bonds is involved in the BALCO trail because he took steroids. The media rarely talks to Bonds because they know he's just going to be an asshole to them like he always is. The media didn't bring up Bonds' mistress, she said she was writing a book so they just reported the story. Bonds brought this all on himself; he's also the one who keeps on bringing up the issue of race and doesn't seem to realize that a lot of people don't like him becuase he's a prick and not because of race.

I defintely don't feel sorry for Bonds at all he brought this all on himself.

[Javier]

Barry Bonds* needs to retire already.  This was the Giants best year before they go completely downhill...looks like the downhill road will start in 2005.  and the dodgers are about to go on complete NL West dominance until another GM comes up with the perfect plan from the NL West

The Dodgers aren't doing a damn thing. Hey I'm a Dodger fan but the GM of the Dodgers Paul D is an complete idoit who has made some of the dumbest moves in the history of sports. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere until they get a GM who knows what he is doing and doesn't base oa move on the fact that his buddy Billy Bean might give him a pat on the back.

The Giants are still go enough to win the NL West (this is coming from Peter Gammons) & the Padres are also better than the Dodgers.

im suprised you are a dodger fan, u really dont know your team. 

The giants are not still good enough to win the division. Lets look at them position by position

C- Mike Matheny vs Jason Phillips.  Matheny is just a solid defensive catcher with no offense at all.  Jason Phillips has had one very good rookie year and one horrible year(still better than Matheny) expect for Phillips to have a year thats in between 03 and 04.  Advantage Dodgers

1B-  JT Snow vs Choi.  Seems to me that Snow juiced up last year all of a sudden he put up huge numbers in his late 30s...Choi has shown brilliance in the major leauge level but has not been consistent either cuz of an injury or a change of teams in the middle of the season. ADvantage Giants.

2B Ray Dhuram vs Jeff Kent.  Now Durham is the Giants best position player without Bonds on the team, and even with that title Jeff Kent is better than him.  Advantage Dodgers

SS-  Omar Vizquel vs Izturis.  unless Izturis still improves from last year this should be equal.  Equal

3b- Edgardo Alfonzo vs Valentin/Nakamura.  Equal again....Alfonzo though good has lost power year by year and Valentin just came from bombing 30.  Equal

LF-  Giants backup OF vs Werth.  Wether its Tucker or another Giant hes not going to be better than Werth, or even our backup Ledee  Advantage Dodgers

CF- Grissom vs Bradley-  one is declining and the other is improing yeat by year.  Advantage Dodgers

RF-  Alou vs JD Drew-  Alou's road stats last year were a joke, Wrigley field helped him A LOT.  Advantage Dodgers

Starting Pitchers- Advantage Dodgers
Bullpen- Advantage Dodgers
Bench- Advantage Dodgers


and what the fuck was so wrong bout the trades Depodesta has done?  It wasnt his fault Penny got injured or that Choi got into a slump due to the fact that he was trying to impress the hell out of everybody.  Lo Duca is getting paid 6-7 million  ayear for the next 3years to be a declining Catcher YESS GOOD LUCK FLORIDA!  On the other hand we have Phillips who can produce, Navarro and Martin in the wings to be our fututre Catcher for a good number of years. 

[Perfection]

Barry Bonds* needs to retire already.  This was the Giants best year before they go completely downhill...looks like the downhill road will start in 2005.  and the dodgers are about to go on complete NL West dominance until another GM comes up with the perfect plan from the NL West

The Dodgers aren't doing a damn thing. Hey I'm a Dodger fan but the GM of the Dodgers Paul D is an complete idoit who has made some of the dumbest moves in the history of sports. The Dodgers aren't going anywhere until they get a GM who knows what he is doing and doesn't base oa move on the fact that his buddy Billy Bean might give him a pat on the back.

The Giants are still go enough to win the NL West (this is coming from Peter Gammons) & the Padres are also better than the Dodgers.

im suprised you are a dodger fan, u really dont know your team. 

The giants are not still good enough to win the division. Lets look at them position by position

C- Mike Matheny vs Jason Phillips.  Matheny is just a solid defensive catcher with no offense at all.  Jason Phillips has had one very good rookie year and one horrible year(still better than Matheny) expect for Phillips to have a year thats in between 03 and 04.  Advantage Dodgers

1B-  JT Snow vs Choi.  Seems to me that Snow juiced up last year all of a sudden he put up huge numbers in his late 30s...Choi has shown brilliance in the major leauge level but has not been consistent either cuz of an injury or a change of teams in the middle of the season. ADvantage Giants.

2B Ray Dhuram vs Jeff Kent.  Now Durham is the Giants best position player without Bonds on the team, and even with that title Jeff Kent is better than him.  Advantage Dodgers

SS-  Omar Vizquel vs Izturis.  unless Izturis still improves from last year this should be equal.  Equal

3b- Edgardo Alfonzo vs Valentin/Nakamura.  Equal again....Alfonzo though good has lost power year by year and Valentin just came from bombing 30.  Equal

LF-  Giants backup OF vs Werth.  Wether its Tucker or another Giant hes not going to be better than Werth, or even our backup Ledee  Advantage Dodgers

CF- Grissom vs Bradley-  one is declining and the other is improing yeat by year.  Advantage Dodgers

RF-  Alou vs JD Drew-  Alou's road stats last year were a joke, Wrigley field helped him A LOT.  Advantage Dodgers

Starting Pitchers- Advantage Dodgers
Bullpen- Advantage Dodgers
Bench- Advantage Dodgers


and what the fuck was so wrong bout the trades Depodesta has done?  It wasnt his fault Penny got injured or that Choi got into a slump due to the fact that he was trying to impress the hell out of everybody.  Lo Duca is getting paid 6-7 million  ayear for the next 3years to be a declining Catcher YESS GOOD LUCK FLORIDA!  On the other hand we have Phillips who can produce, Navarro and Martin in the wings to be our fututre Catcher for a good number of years. 

Before the trades Depodesta made during the season it used to be that if the Dodgers had a lead going into the 6th or 7th it was over, then he trades Motta and Lo Duca, the Dodgers start blowing leads in the 6th, 7th, & 8th innings forcing them to use Gagne for 3 inning, thus burning him out. The guys he replaced Lo Duca with couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and Brad Penny pitches about 2 innings. Pretty much every baseball analist said that deal was one of the dumpest deals in MLB history. FF to this offseason, they let Beltre go, trade Green for nothing, almost traded Penny to the D-Backs and give J.D. Drew a $55 million contract. I mean if you had a problem with what Lo Duca is making than how can you not have a problem with the contract for Drew? Bsides Derek Lowe who's in that Dodger rotation that can be counted on? Brad Penny? I don't think so, he's only a .500 pitcher to begin with and can you trust that he stays healthy? And untiil Gagne gets back from injury the Dodgers bullpen isn't that great has proven when they traded Motta.I think I'm going to take what Petyer Gammons says about the Dodges and Giants more seriously than anyone else's view on those two teams.

[Javier]

Fact.

Brazobans ERA in the final months of the season 2.20.
Mota's ERA after the trade  4.81
Brazoban a cheaper and younger option.  Ill take Brazoban over Mota.  The dodgers just ended up losing one game after taking the lead in in the final 3 innings.  only one...that was before Brazoban got called up and DReiffort was begging to get injured.

Penny didnt just pitch 2 innings, his first start was 8 innings , 2 infield hits given up and no runs.  Wins Losses has nothing to do with the way a pitcher should be evaluated.  Penny was the Marlins secondbest pitcher at the time ofthe trade with an ERA of 3.15!!!  Its not his fault he didnt have good enough run support to win more.

Derek Lowe, yes overpaid but what other FA pitcher wasnt?  hes moving from a stadium where doubles are given up at the highest rate to Dodger Stadium a stadium where doubles are giving up at the lowest rate.  Even with the horrible year he had last year he still only gave up 13 Home runs...expect him to do muuuuuuch better.  An Era of under 4.25  Odalis Perez is a very good pitcher that is underrated tjat can give you an ERA of under 4, Weaver a pitcher that posted up an ERA Of 4.00. and Erickson/Alvarez/Dessens can all post up better numbers thanwhat Ishii will put up.

Drew is not overpaid.  Drew's win shares of last year was 34, Beltres was 36.  If healthy is worth the money.  This is a guy who can give you a 300BA, 400OBP, and a 500SLG.  Thats excellent.

Traded Green for nothing?  Dioner Navarro is a very good catching prospect and might be ready in 2006.

If Lo Duca, Mota, and Encarnacion would have stayed with the team that means...
-No Werth
-Not being able to resign Odalis
-Not Being able to Sign Derek Lowe
-Prolly piss off Gagne for trying to offer a lower deal for him
-looking at a rotation of...
1. Weaver
2. Nomo
3. Ishii
4. Alvarez
5. Lima
Potentially could have been one of the worse rotations in baseball

[Perfection]

Fact.

Brazobans ERA in the final months of the season 2.20.
Mota's ERA after the trade  4.81
Brazoban a cheaper and younger option.  Ill take Brazoban over Mota.  The dodgers just ended up losing one game after taking the lead in in the final 3 innings.  only one...that was before Brazoban got called up and DReiffort was begging to get injured.

Penny didnt just pitch 2 innings, his first start was 8 innings , 2 infield hits given up and no runs.  Wins Losses has nothing to do with the way a pitcher should be evaluated.  Penny was the Marlins secondbest pitcher at the time ofthe trade with an ERA of 3.15!!!  Its not his fault he didnt have good enough run support to win more.

Derek Lowe, yes overpaid but what other FA pitcher wasnt?  hes moving from a stadium where doubles are given up at the highest rate to Dodger Stadium a stadium where doubles are giving up at the lowest rate.  Even with the horrible year he had last year he still only gave up 13 Home runs...expect him to do muuuuuuch better.  An Era of under 4.25  Odalis Perez is a very good pitcher that is underrated tjat can give you an ERA of under 4, Weaver a pitcher that posted up an ERA Of 4.00. and Erickson/Alvarez/Dessens can all post up better numbers thanwhat Ishii will put up.

Drew is not overpaid.  Drew's win shares of last year was 34, Beltres was 36.  If healthy is worth the money.  This is a guy who can give you a 300BA, 400OBP, and a 500SLG.  Thats excellent.

Traded Green for nothing?  Dioner Navarro is a very good catching prospect and might be ready in 2006.

If Lo Duca, Mota, and Encarnacion would have stayed with the team that means...
-No Werth
-Not being able to resign Odalis
-Not Being able to Sign Derek Lowe
-Prolly piss off Gagne for trying to offer a lower deal for him
-looking at a rotation of...
1. Weaver
2. Nomo
3. Ishii
4. Alvarez
5. Lima
Potentially could have been one of the worse rotations in baseball

How many games did the Dodgers have to come back and win, they had to do that about 4 times in 2 weeks. When Mota was with the Dodgers he was unhittable. The Dodgers cathcers still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. When it comes to the J.D. Drew, I'll rather take the opinion of a guy like Peter Gammons or any other baseball expert that looked at this deal and saaid what was the Dodgers thinking. So far you're the only one I've heard say that any of those deals were good. I never said Lowe was over paid. Lo Duca was the heart of the Dodgers (and that's coming from the Dodgers) and the Dodgers still don't have a 1B and we'll wait and see if they have a catcher. I'll say it again, they need to get rid of Depodesta because he doesn't know what he is doing. And he's trying to model the Dodgers after the A's meaning that if they do get in the playoffs, they'll choke it away or they'll choke away the division in the final couple weeks of the season.

[Javier]

How many games did the Dodgers have to come back and win, they had to do that about 4 times in 2 weeks. When Mota was with the Dodgers he was unhittable. The Dodgers cathcers still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. When it comes to the J.D. Drew, I'll rather take the opinion of a guy like Peter Gammons or any other baseball expert that looked at this deal and saaid what was the Dodgers thinking. So far you're the only one I've heard say that any of those deals were good. I never said Lowe was over paid. Lo Duca was the heart of the Dodgers (and that's coming from the Dodgers) and the Dodgers still don't have a 1B and we'll wait and see if they have a catcher. I'll say it again, they need to get rid of Depodesta because he doesn't know what he is doing. And he's trying to model the Dodgers after the A's meaning that if they do get in the playoffs, they'll choke it away or they'll choke away the division in the final couple weeks of the season.

Comeback victories have nothing to do with having a good set up pitcher, in which Brazoban was with his 2.20ERA!  Now we do have a catcher that can hit, jason Phillips.  even gammons must agree, if Drew is healthy hes huge and well worth the money.  Lo Duca being the heart of the dodgers gave us 0 playoff appearances.  Dodgers do have a 1b his name is Choi, and againts lefties it  is Saenz.  These two guys can post up better numbers than Ventura ( who would have been our 1b without depodesta).  The Red Sox won the world series last year,  Theo Epstein has the same philosohpy in evaluating players like Depodesta...in fact Depodesta is the most respected in the sabremetic community.  The As have been unlucky in the playoffs but to have a 60million dollar payroll and be very competitive shows you something.  The dodgers have to go through a detox of the days from Malone and Evans...Depodesta is trying to speed up the process and still remain competitive, he has done that. 

[I Am The Anton]

 give J.D. Drew a $55 million contract. I mean if you had a problem with what Lo Duca is making than how can you not have a problem with the contract for Drew?

ummm, because drew is better? much much better.