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The Bible just keeps changing. The Qu'ran has been perserved in it's origional form and it's origional language and has not been changed, and it is the same today from North America, to Nigeria, to Indonesia, as it was over a thousand years ago in Mekkah.
Quote from: Abdul Infinite aka Ibn Battuta on May 10, 2005, 03:33:35 AMThe Bible just keeps changing. The Qu'ran has been perserved in it's origional form and it's origional language and has not been changed, and it is the same today from North America, to Nigeria, to Indonesia, as it was over a thousand years ago in Mekkah.How do you know this ? whats there to say the Qu'ran was never changed ?
Your comparing a book (The Bible) that has been altered hundreds of times from it's origional gospel, and can't even be found in it's origional language. The Qu'ran has been kept intact just as it was revealed, in Arabic, it is a confirmation of some of the stories from the origional Gospel, it is an analysis of all things, and it is a giudance to the believers. The article is stating that things in the Qu'ran don't correspond with the Bible, the answer is simple, the Bible has been altered so many times many of the stories in the Bible are inaccurate. Infact, the word Bible itself means library, basically, hundreds of years after Jesus was alive, Christian leaders had a council where they decided which of the many books from the library they wanted to keep, and those books now represent what is contained in the Bible. Infact, depending on what sect you are in, Catholic, Protestant, etc., your Bible will have differences, some of the newer Bibles have changes in them even from the time we were young to now. The Bible just keeps changing. The Qu'ran has been perserved in it's origional form and it's origional language and has not been changed, and it is the same today from North America, to Nigeria, to Indonesia, as it was over a thousand years ago in Mekkah.
ya'll forget something.. islam is known to have been founded at a particular date hunders of years after jesus...its an invention of a mans mind..
that's awesomeinfinite makes fun of the bible, says it's been altered so many times it's not trustworthy, and then admits part of the Koran are based on the biblethats like saying "dude i made my house out of the shittiest material i could find, but it's the best house in the world"
Quote from: Needles Kane on May 10, 2005, 08:21:33 PMthat's awesomeinfinite makes fun of the bible, says it's been altered so many times it's not trustworthy, and then admits part of the Koran are based on the biblethats like saying "dude i made my house out of the shittiest material i could find, but it's the best house in the world"Moses and Jesus were both messengers of Allah, so ofcourse Muhammad's (pbuta) message is going to confirm that which was revealed before. Every prophet, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Jesus, Muhammad, all prophets known and unknown all carried the same message; To Worship God (Allah) Alone With No Partner, and To Do Righteous Good Deeds. Then, years after Jesus had already passed away, Paul comes along and starts preaching that Jesus is God, and leads many people astray. Yet Jesus' message was the same as all the messengers and Prophets of God (Allah);To Worship God (Allah) Alone With No Partner, and To Do Righteous Good Deeds. So this is why the Qu'ran is similar to the Bible and Torah because the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran is a revelation from Allah, just as the origional Torah and Gospel were revelations from Allah... however, Paul lead many astray teaching Jesus was God, and much of the origional texts have been changed and altered; the previous prophets were often sent to a specific people for a specific time and a specific period during the evolutionary scale; yet Muhammad (pbuh) being the last and final messenger was sent to all of mankind and the Noble and Glorious Qu'ran and the language of Arabic have remained pure for over 1,400 years, because Allah has decreed it, and Allah is the best of planners!
Abdul, you adressed the points i didnt quite prove, but why didnt you defend the points i raised that have legitimate proof ?? the Qu'ran doesn't specify whether it is Ishamel or Isaac who is to be sacrificed (Surah 37:100-107). The important point here is that the Bible does clearly specify that it was Isaac. if you want to see the biblical account i will gladly post it up.To introduce ambiguity to this account, by not specifying that it was Isaac who was chosen, is misrepresenting the biblical account, and removes not only the direct connection with Jesus but also has led to the Islamic misinterpretation that God rejected the Jews and made the Arabic people (those who become muslims) the chosen people instead. This view is supported by passages such as Surah 2:127. feel free to check your copy of the Qur'an... Now you ignored this post, i already posted it up but you blatantly ignored it... now go check the Qur'an, if what is stated here is incorrect, please enlighten us.
we're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfect
You claim that 37:100-107 have some error in them. So I have posted those verses, so anyone reading them can clearly see there is nothing confusing or misleading about these verses. Allah's revelation is high above your critisisms!37:100-107 English translation"O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!" So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!" So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), We called out to him "O Abraham! "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. For this was obviously a trial- And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:....."
2:127And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
Quote from: Needles Kane on May 11, 2005, 01:26:28 PMwe're talking about how you just dismissed the bible as being edited over and over again....now you start talking about how someone is preaching saying jesus is god... but you fail to explain how the koran could be perfect if it is built of something taht you just admitted as being imperfectThe origional teachings of Jesus are pure, the Bible however, has altered Jesus' teachings. The Noble Qu'ran is consistent with the origional (pure, unaltered) teachings of the Prophets Moses and Jesus.