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Gays and psychology
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: J Bananas tells no tales on May 19, 2005, 12:21:19 PM ---I got in an argument with some girl the other day about whether homosexuality is psychological or something you're born with. The bitch wanted to defend her brother and was really pressing that it is something that you are born with. I'm for the argument that yes, some people are born homosexual, but the majority of homosexuals arrived at their preference through psychological development. I checked it out further and it seems gay people are really opposed to psychology and insist it is something you are born with. I brought up the example of men in prison who turn submissive or rape. The girl wasn't hearing it though. Are gay people just so ashamed of their own mental development that led them to be homo that they deny it? I'm wondering if there's anyone who's got an intelligent perspective or knows a gay person who agrees with the mental development theory.
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Honestly, I had the same exact argument with my girl...She seems to buy into the gays version of "we're born with it", while I explained to her that it's the enviroment you're raised in and what you go through growing up that makes you who you are...Imagine being born in ancient Greece where everyone was raised bisexual and it was the normal way of life...If those people weren't exposed to bisexuality from a young age and were brought up believing that being straight was the normal way of life, then best believe 90% of those who were bi and were raised bi would have been straight...Why do you think half the time when you hear of gay people they talk about how they were molested as children?...It triggers something in the brain, I think we're all born the same (eyes, ears, nose, brain, heart, etc.) and whatever our brain is fed is what makes us who we are...Some people will never understand though.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on December 28, 2005, 12:07:09 PM ---Honestly, I had the same exact argument with my girl...She seems to buy into the gays version of "we're born with it", while I explained to her that it's the enviroment you're raised in and what you go through growing up that makes you who you are...
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so are you saying that had your parents and environment raised you gay, possibly a couple guys molesting you or something...you'd have been explaining to your boyfriend how "you were turned gay by the environment" ??? (instead of the current situation).
the bottom line is, are you comfortable saying that it is only by luck and chance that you aren't gay right now?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
Yea, if someone is raised by gays and only knows of homosexuality as the only way their whole life, chances are they'd be a homo...It only makes sense, it'd be the only thing they know and in their brain would be considered a normality. To not be gay they'd be rebelling in their mind, which is only done by few...Get it?
Indie Visual:
--- Quote from: vetklep2000 on December 27, 2005, 05:30:20 AM ---Some men got a tendency to act feminem (because of their personality traits) and if the environment supports this behaviour, men can develop homosexuality. Same as for all disorders. And dont hate me for calling it a disorder, cause it's no normal behaviour
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This is where you're wrong. Homosexuality is not "normal" in modern American or European societies. It is "normal" in OTHER societies:
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
HOMOSEXUALITY IN AFRICA:
Though frequently denied or ignored by European explorers, homosexual expression in native Africa was widespread and common, and took a variety of forms. Representative examples: Anthropologists Murray and Roscoe report that women in Lesotho traditionally have engaged in socially sanctioned and celebrated "long term, loving and erotic relationships" named motsoalle. E. E. Evans-Pritchard reported that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely married male youths who functioned as temporary wives. The practice had died out in the early 20th century but was recounted to him by the elders. An academic paper by Stephen O. Murray examines the history of descriptions of "Homosexuality in traditional Sub-Saharan Africa".
HOMOSEXUALITY IN NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE:
Sac and Fox nation ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person. George Catlin (1796-1872); Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DCIn North American Native society, the most common form of same-sex sexuality seems to centre around the figure of the two-spirit individual. Such persons seem to have been recognised by the majority of tribes, each of which had its particular term for the role. Typically the two-spirit individual was recognised early in life, was given a choice by the parents to follow the path, and if the child accepted the role then it was raised in the appropriate manner, learning the customs of the gender it had chosen. Two-spirit individuals were commonly shamans and were revered as having powers beyond those of ordinary shamans. Their sexual life would be with the ordinary tribe members of the opposite gender. Male two-spirit people were prized as wives because of their greater strength and ability to work. See Two-spirit
IN EASTERN ASIA
In Asia same-sex love has been a central feature of everyday life since the dawn of history. Early Western travellers were taken aback by its widespread acceptance and open display. Homosexual relations in China, known as the pleasures of the bitten peach, the cut sleeve, or the southern custom, have been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. These euphemistic terms were used to describe behaviours, but not identities. The relationships were marked by differences in age and social position. However, the instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the Hong Lou Meng (Dream of the Red Chamber, or Story of the Stone) seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexuals during the same period. Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku, terms influenced by Chinese literature, has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships. Similarly, in Thailand, Kathoey or ladyboys have been a feature of Thai society for many centuries, and Thai kings had male as well as female lovers. Kathoey are men who dress as women. They are generally accepted by society. The teachings of Buddhism, dominant in Thai society was accepting of a third gender designation.
SOURCE (for more information): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa
*And a note to everyone - homosexuality can apply to females, too, ya know.
Cheese:
--- Quote from: Indie Visual on December 31, 2005, 02:07:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: vetklep2000 on December 27, 2005, 05:30:20 AM ---Some men got a tendency to act feminem (because of their personality traits) and if the environment supports this behaviour, men can develop homosexuality. Same as for all disorders. And dont hate me for calling it a disorder, cause it's no normal behaviour
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This is where you're wrong. Homosexuality is not "normal" in modern American or European societies. It is "normal" in OTHER societies:
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
HOMOSEXUALITY IN AFRICA:
Though frequently denied or ignored by European explorers, homosexual expression in native Africa was widespread and common, and took a variety of forms. Representative examples: Anthropologists Murray and Roscoe report that women in Lesotho traditionally have engaged in socially sanctioned and celebrated "long term, loving and erotic relationships" named motsoalle. E. E. Evans-Pritchard reported that male Azande warriors (in the northern Congo) routinely married male youths who functioned as temporary wives. The practice had died out in the early 20th century but was recounted to him by the elders. An academic paper by Stephen O. Murray examines the history of descriptions of "Homosexuality in traditional Sub-Saharan Africa".
HOMOSEXUALITY IN NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE:
Sac and Fox nation ceremonial dance to celebrate the two-spirit person. George Catlin (1796-1872); Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DCIn North American Native society, the most common form of same-sex sexuality seems to centre around the figure of the two-spirit individual. Such persons seem to have been recognised by the majority of tribes, each of which had its particular term for the role. Typically the two-spirit individual was recognised early in life, was given a choice by the parents to follow the path, and if the child accepted the role then it was raised in the appropriate manner, learning the customs of the gender it had chosen. Two-spirit individuals were commonly shamans and were revered as having powers beyond those of ordinary shamans. Their sexual life would be with the ordinary tribe members of the opposite gender. Male two-spirit people were prized as wives because of their greater strength and ability to work. See Two-spirit
IN EASTERN ASIA
In Asia same-sex love has been a central feature of everyday life since the dawn of history. Early Western travellers were taken aback by its widespread acceptance and open display. Homosexual relations in China, known as the pleasures of the bitten peach, the cut sleeve, or the southern custom, have been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. These euphemistic terms were used to describe behaviours, but not identities. The relationships were marked by differences in age and social position. However, the instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the Hong Lou Meng (Dream of the Red Chamber, or Story of the Stone) seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexuals during the same period. Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku, terms influenced by Chinese literature, has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships. Similarly, in Thailand, Kathoey or ladyboys have been a feature of Thai society for many centuries, and Thai kings had male as well as female lovers. Kathoey are men who dress as women. They are generally accepted by society. The teachings of Buddhism, dominant in Thai society was accepting of a third gender designation.
SOURCE (for more information): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa
*And a note to everyone - homosexuality can apply to females, too, ya know.
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I'm talking about "normal" as in "normal in some cultures". I'm talking about normal behaviour as a whole. You ever seen two male animals fuck? Gays won't produce any offspring, that goes against all nature.
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