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Amnesty International recently compared the U.S. Guantanamo prison to the Soviet Gulags under Stalin. Here are the facts that they used to draw their conclusion: Individuals Detained: Gulag -- 20 million. Guantanamo -- 750 total. Number of Camps: Gulag -- 476 separate camp complexes comprising thousands of individual camps. Guantanamo -- five small camps on the U.S. military base in Cuba. Reasons for Imprisonment: Gulag -- hiding grain; owning too many cows; need for slave labor; being Jewish; being Finnish; being religious; being middle class; having had contact with foreigners; refusing to sleep with the head of Soviet counterintelligence; telling a joke about Stalin. Guantanamo -- fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan; being suspected of links to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Red Cross Visits: Gulag -- none on record. Guantanamo -- regular visits since January 2002. Deaths as a Result of Poor Treatment: Gulag -- multiple millions. Guantanamo -- no reports of prisoner deaths. Daily Diet: Gulag -- meager portions of swill. Guantanamo -- two hot religiously correct meals per day with constant supply of snacks. Work Requirements: Gulag -- forced labor. Guantanamo -- none. Medical Treatment: Gulag -- none. Guantanamo -- better than the 20 million report "uninsured" American citizens. Torture Methods: Gulag -- starvation, beatings, exposure to elements, slave labor. Guantanamo -- humiliation, standing on the koran
Quote from: Ant on June 24, 2005, 03:24:24 PMQuote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PMand if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)toscience experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparisonComparing US detainment camps to boot camp is every bit as ridiculous as comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. There aren't homicides at bootcamp. People aren't chained in stress positions for days on end at Bootcamp. People aren't left chained to the floor lying in their own shit and piss in bootcamp. And no one goes home from bootcamp with pictures looking anything like the one's that leaked from Abu Graib. ok how about SEAL boot camp, where there have been casualties, where they have been beaten to death back in the day...problem solved, want to nitpick some more?
Quote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PMand if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)toscience experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparisonComparing US detainment camps to boot camp is every bit as ridiculous as comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. There aren't homicides at bootcamp. People aren't chained in stress positions for days on end at Bootcamp. People aren't left chained to the floor lying in their own shit and piss in bootcamp. And no one goes home from bootcamp with pictures looking anything like the one's that leaked from Abu Graib.
and if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)toscience experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparison
Quote from: What's Going On? on June 24, 2005, 03:51:37 PMAmnesty International recently compared the U.S. Guantanamo prison to the Soviet Gulags under Stalin. Here are the facts that they used to draw their conclusion: Individuals Detained: Gulag -- 20 million. Guantanamo -- 750 total. Number of Camps: Gulag -- 476 separate camp complexes comprising thousands of individual camps. Guantanamo -- five small camps on the U.S. military base in Cuba. Reasons for Imprisonment: Gulag -- hiding grain; owning too many cows; need for slave labor; being Jewish; being Finnish; being religious; being middle class; having had contact with foreigners; refusing to sleep with the head of Soviet counterintelligence; telling a joke about Stalin. Guantanamo -- fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan; being suspected of links to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Red Cross Visits: Gulag -- none on record. Guantanamo -- regular visits since January 2002. Deaths as a Result of Poor Treatment: Gulag -- multiple millions. Guantanamo -- no reports of prisoner deaths. Daily Diet: Gulag -- meager portions of swill. Guantanamo -- two hot religiously correct meals per day with constant supply of snacks. Work Requirements: Gulag -- forced labor. Guantanamo -- none. Medical Treatment: Gulag -- none. Guantanamo -- better than the 20 million report "uninsured" American citizens. Torture Methods: Gulag -- starvation, beatings, exposure to elements, slave labor. Guantanamo -- humiliation, standing on the koranThat post pretty much ends the debate.Seriously, how can you take people seriously when they make these kind of comparisons? It is just nonsense, so why waste your time with idiots?