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Lakers on an uprise...just missing a few pieces to the puzzle.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 23, 2005, 11:07:32 AM --- Youre a strait basketball retard when it comes to this subject so your opinion just doesnt matter.
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And yours does?..stop drinking that heterrade bitch...
you're the one who's the retard..really think about what you're saying...How the fuck you going to talk shit about a 3 time champion? you.....are....a...moron
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TeeRaySix9Teen:
--- Quote from: Abhshil on August 23, 2005, 11:18:05 AM ---if 30 other GM's had to start with a franchise player i dont think all of em would pick kobe i can see some of em going with james or kg
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kg...duncan...james....etc....etc....
Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 23, 2005, 11:18:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: Black Mask on August 23, 2005, 11:16:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 23, 2005, 11:07:32 AM --- Youre a strait basketball retard when it comes to this subject so your opinion just doesnt matter.
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And yours does?..stop drinking that heterrade bitch...
you're the one who's the retard..really think about what you're saying...How the fuck you going to talk shit about a 3 time champion? you.....are....a...moron
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acbaylove:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 23, 2005, 04:47:14 AM ---for the first half of your post....you might be right, no Kobe...no rings. But at the same time, no Shaq...no playoffs.
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That's an horrible statement, from every point of view. First of all Jerry West traded everybody included their mama to sign Shaq. So he gave Shaq the keys of the team, and he did it for good. But, just to make you an example, the 1997-98 team had 3 players who went in the All Star Game other than Shaq: Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel and Kobe. It was the only team in the league with no 30+ years old players in the roster. It was a great team, who just had to develop into the 3peat one. I wouldnt go as far as saying no Shaq no playoffs: matter of fact the 1995-96 team, the one before Shaq, had a 53-wins record and the 2nd place in the Pacific Division spot. So no Shaq = 52 wins.
--- Quote ---for the second half, this is where the problem comes into play when i argue with all these Laker fans. Somewhere along the line they seem to have gotten the idea that stats make u great. they dont. leading your team makes u great. if stats are how we judge greatness...then Magic is only the second greatest passer ever. Id put him at first, but the stats say Stockton. stats are great for basketball cards and ESPN "Did you knows" but they dont show who is really great or who is a real leader for their team. What im saying about Kobe is that he couldnt have made Cleveland a legitimate team like Lebron did this fast in his career.
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A legitimate team? You mean LeBron made Cleveland a legitimate team by didnt reaching the Play Offs in the Eastern Conference for 2 straight years? Didn't know the real definition of "legitimate team" and the real meaning of "being the leader of a team". Now i do. Thank you LeBron!
--- Quote ---Kobe during his first couple years showed talent, but definetely....DEFINETELY not the ability to lead.
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He didnt have to. He was a rookie in a contender team runned by Shaq. He was the SG of the Lakers. Don't even compare it with the hopeless Cavs who signed LeBron to save them from being considered a total failure.
--- Quote ---And last year, after how many years in the league...things were the same. He didnt lead. He got his stats...and thats it. Thats not greatness. Lebron honestly IMO did a better job LEADING his team last year then Kobe did his. And Lebron still has some work to do on his leadership skills. So where does that leave Kobe? This whole argument was about who u would take to start your franchise from this point on. I said id take Lebron cus his upside is FAR higher then Kobe's....from THIS point on. Lebron still has a ton of room to improve and he was an MVP candidate last year. Its rare that many players improve during the second half of their career and typically its big men if anything. So other then being a Kobe fan, how do people not see that he falls into the same category. Yeah, he COULD improve. Im not saying its impossible. Im saying i dont think his improvement (if any) would be so drastic that theyll win another championship without some SERIOUS help. Like it or not, he won those rings WITH Shaq. Shaq has gone to the finals with the Lakers and the Magic and Miami was in good position to last year. Kobe still has to prove he can even make the playoffs without Shaq.
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Matter of fact LeBron too.
--- Quote ---To think that Kobe, on the perimeter was somehow helping Shaq on the inside more then the other way around only shows a lack of basketball knowledge. Any coach in this league would take a dominant big man in the middle over a dominant perimeter player. Theres so many more matchup problems a dominant big man can create as well as setting up all his perimeter players. Kobe's game, like it or not, was drastically helped by Shaqs presence. Anyways, fuckit this is getting boring lol Me, Scittles and Jake have gone back and forth since the beginning of time on this and nothing ever changes. Ive always admitted that i like Kobe's game. But the Kobe fans cant seem to get it outta their heads that he isnt perfect, and he definetely isnt Jordan lol. He's good, but his little spoiled brat "give me all the spotlight" attitude will always give him this kind of negative attention.
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What about the new commercial of Nike about Kobe? That attitude is never described by the media, uh?
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
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--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on August 16, 2005, 04:20:21 AM --- But i would say this, if i were to to START a team right at this moment...id take Lebron over Kobe.
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30 GM's and I disagree with you... 8)
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at least one half of your statement is correct ;D
honestly tho, Kobe's best years have past him already. he's not the intelligent player that Jordan was. I dont see Kobe being able to evolve his game in the late years of his career when his athletisism disappears. Im not saying its gone now, but obviously Lebron's game is still in its early stages where he's going to improve. Kobe has already reached his potential. Its all down hill from here buddy :P
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Half of my statement? It's a fact...They had a poll in the beginning of last season. They asked all the GMs which player in the NBA they'd choose to build their team around. All 30 picked Kobeas. You're stupid for saying Kobe is going downhill from here...Jordan was just beginning at Kobe's age. Kobe is still young, there is no way he's reached his full potential...Unless he gets seriously injured or something like that, but Kobe is the type of player who works every off-season to better himself...He will amaze...PeACe
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If you been payin attention to every other post ive ever made on this subject youd know, i dont consider Jordan and Kobe anywhere NEAR in the same league. And most others dont either. As a matter of fact, no one does except Kobe fans. So yeah, i think his career has already reached its pinnacle. He NEEDS others to make him great. I dont know why u guys cant see that when everyone else does. He NEEDS it. He's just not that guy. He's not the guy that makes everyone else successful. As for Lebron, i dunno if u saw Magic when he was just on Jey Leno?
when asked about the NBA age limit being at 19....he responded saying he wished it was 20. He said that all coaches feel the same. That their jobs are harder because they are stuck in the situation of having to teach kids the game of basketball. How players arent ready at the age of 18...or even 17 sometimes to play on an NBA team. He used the examples of Garnett and Kobe. Saying that they are both great players, and were good coming in. But that even they werent ready. It took them a couple years to realy develop their game to that of an NBA player. Then, in the middle of that comment he said..."except Lebron....he's special...". Maybe Magics opinion doesnt mean shit....but lets just say...its the same as mine. Go ahead NIK....disagree with the allmighty Magic Johnson lol
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No kidding, dumbass. It's obvious that LeBron developed at an earlier age than Kobe, that's all Magic was saying...How many fucking times have we heard Magic saying Kobe is the best player in the league by far, and praising Kobe as one of the greatests...So if you wanna bring Magic into this, you've just killed your whole argument by yourself...LeBron is just special as in he got to an all-star level right off the bat (being pushed on an extremely whack team, of course), but Kobe hss still accomplished so much more and is on a whole other level...Anyone who knows anything will tell you the same.
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Magic is a Laker...i think you know that. Magic will support his player first. So its a much bigger deal for Magic to put someone on a higher platform once, then it would be for him to put Kobe on it 100 times. If Kobe was traded tomorrow for Lebron, Magic would turn around and say Lebron is the best player in the league. Its common sense. Lebron got "pushed" to an all star level how? You cant deny how good he is. Kobe was on just as wack a team, so it shoulda been easy for him to shine also. Lebron gets a lot of attention because in a league that seems to embrace the selfish, flashy, ballhog players....Lebron shined while being unselfish. Kobe could learn from him....
like i said, im not even a Lebron fan...also, as far as what Kobe has accomplished....not that much without Shaq.
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What has Jordan accomplish without Pippen and Phil? LOL...You're a joke, you make no sense. You bring what Magic says into this, and then when I use that to prove you wrong, you try flipping everything. LeBron is still tryna' learn off players like Kobe, so what's even going through your mind when you're saying shit like "Kobe could learn from him"...LeBron came into the league HOPING to be the next Kobe. He was drafted by a team where he was the main source of offense and basically was the head of everything on the team. Yes, he was athletic enough to shine like a star, but he couldn't take his team anywhere not 1, but 2 seasons in a row. If Kareem Rush was drafted by the Cavs with the first pick, got all the media attention in the NBA, and pushed the same way LeBron was pushed, he'd be looking like a superstar too. It's all about the position you're placed in. Kobe came in the league backing up the star shooting guard of the team (Eddie Jones). Kareem Rush came in the league backing up the star shooting guard as well (Kobe)...It's all about where you are placed and how you handle it. LeBron is an excellent player, but he's no where NEAR Kobe's level. If you honestly believe that, go ahead...Kobe has proven greatness, it doesn't take a genius to see that...PeACe
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how did you prove me wrong on the Magic issue? I gave you a QUOTE strait from him. And you argued it. Plain and simple. You cant prove me wrong on it, without saying that Magic was lying through his teeth.
As far as Kobe learning from him...cmon man, i know youre young...but youre not THAT young lol. EVERYone, i mean EVERYone can learn from somebody. Rookie....Veteran....it doesnt matter. There are veterans who might learn from Kobe even from time to time. I didnt say Kobe should pattern his whole entire game after Lebron. Im saying he could learn from Lebrons unselfishness. Obviously, neither of us are in their locker rooms. But i guarentee you (and if you actually played ball like u said u did, then you agree) that Lebrons teammates are happier playing with a player like him...then Kobe's would, playing with a player like him. Role players like playing with a star, who can carry them, but will allow others to shine also. As far as comparing the two at the beginning of their career....once again, the Magic quote. I only use it because i agree with it. Argue with me.....argue with Magic the Laker God. lol. If you think im wrong, then go ahead and say it NIK....Magic is a fuckin idiot.
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LOL. I shot down every one of your arguments one by one, and this is all you have? I'm not arguing with Magic, I agree with him. LeBron is special as in he developed the quickest straight out of high school...He STILL is nowhere near Kobe. You think LeBron would like to be playing on the same team as Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, or Tracy McGrady right now? Hell no. What's your point, no superstar guard would like to play on the same team as another superstar who plays the same position. That doesn't equal winning, that equals heads clashing. LeBron has had everything to himself in Cleveland, he hasn't been put to the test yet. Remember that clean cut image Kobe had back in 2001? Everyone loved him, pretty much like everyone loves LeBron now...See, the point is that you don't base a player on their public image (LeBron is mature, LeBron is unselfish, etc.), you base them on their game and their accomplishments...Kobe has so much more to his name than LeBron. LeBron probably still looks up to Kobe like when he did in high school. He still probably watches Kobe tapes on replay from when LeBron was 14. Again, if you wanna go by what Magic says, Kobe is _____by far____ the best in the league... 8)PEACE
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