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Islam in America
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 16, 2005, 04:34:48 PM ---Now look through the last 2 or 3 of my posts... and see how after fucking up your entire argument with facts, you come with "well maybe this", and "probably this".... and tell yourself that you won the argument. I could really care less... tell yourself that I contradicted myself... when your posts are flip-flopping like John Kerry's pancakes... you already admitted you won't (can't) respond... so instead of trying to "make corrections" over and over... just save yourself the trouble because at this point you're just another CWalker... you admitted you were the most "stubborn" person... so there really is no point in trying to convince you that I'm right when you're telling yourself whatever helps you sleep at night. I shouldn't have even responded to your corrections, since you had no argument but were just trying to clarify your first post for your own dignity... understandable. However, I shouldn't have even responded after:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 16, 2005, 08:11:51 AM ---I never claimed to be the smartest, but definitely the most stubborn.
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because you have proven just that.... part 1 and 2 of that sentence.
Have a good day.
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Whatever, you can call me Walker you want, but you're taking my posts out odf context and then ignoring the clarification I made.
I never said that every Muslim is/was converted by force or even that the majority were, but you brought up a quote that said it never happened. I know that Muhammad took over places in the last years of his life, and I know that there are just as many people that say he forced conversion as there are that say he didn't but I think we both agree that he lived under the rules that you cannot be a slave if you are Muslim, which directly implies that you can be a slave if you aren't. Now you took this argument straight from the facts while incorperated spirituality in it from the beginning.
Don't pretend like antone can prove the other wrong here. When history is debated as much as this history is it cannot be proven. We were just arguing different things and misconceiving what the other meant.
J @ M @ L:
Actually I didn't take your posts out of context, since I quoted them directly, and/or addressed everything within your posts. I even addressed your clarifications, so don't bring that.
"We were just arguing different things and misconceiving what the other meant."
All I can say is: Speak for yourself.
Once again, have a good day. Save yourself the trouble... you've been done... and since you admitted how stubborn you are, there really is no point for me to reply to you since you reach for straws due to your stubbornness.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 16, 2005, 04:55:57 PM ---Actually I didn't take your posts out of context, since I quoted them directly, and/or addressed everything within your posts. I even addressed your clarifications, so don't bring that.
"We were just arguing different things and misconceiving what the other meant."
All I can say is: Speak for yourself.
Once again, have a good day. Save yourself the trouble... you've been done... and since you admitted how stubborn you are, there really is no point for me to reply to you since you reach for straws due to your stubbornness.
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But you are ignoring my clarifications. When I said it's hard to convert Christians and it's easy to grow when the country is Christian as I meant and stated that I was talking about devout Christians and forceful conversion.
When I say we are arguing different things I meant I was under the impression you were speaking from the point of view that Islam is better and that's why it didn't need forceful conversion, which I was wrong to assume, and you thought I was associating every bad thing Muslim conquerers did with Muhammad and him being a part of it, which you were wrong to asume.
Real American:
JML lost another debate.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 16, 2005, 07:01:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 16, 2005, 04:55:57 PM ---Actually I didn't take your posts out of context, since I quoted them directly, and/or addressed everything within your posts. I even addressed your clarifications, so don't bring that.
"We were just arguing different things and misconceiving what the other meant."
All I can say is: Speak for yourself.
Once again, have a good day. Save yourself the trouble... you've been done... and since you admitted how stubborn you are, there really is no point for me to reply to you since you reach for straws due to your stubbornness.
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But you are ignoring my clarifications. When I said it's hard to convert Christians and it's easy to grow when the country is Christian as I meant and stated that I was talking about devout Christians and forceful conversion.
When I say we are arguing different things I meant I was under the impression you were speaking from the point of view that Islam is better and that's why it didn't need forceful conversion, which I was wrong to assume, and you thought I was associating every bad thing Muslim conquerers did with Muhammad and him being a part of it, which you were wrong to asume.
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No I didn't ignore any of your classifications. I addressed every argument you made, I addressed your clarifications, and I addressed the part where you made your corrections.
You said it's hard to convert Christians with FORCE... I said I agree, which would back my argument.
You said it's easy to grow when the country is Christian... my response was:
"I know the growth rate works in percentages, and you're missing the whole point, even though I've stated it time and time again. The point I was making by saying that more people are converting from Christianity to Islam each year in America/Europe is that: Don't you think the same could've been true back then in lands where the majority of the population was Christian?"
Ok, so you admit that you had wrong assumptions, I can accept that... but no I did not at any point believe that you were associating every bad thing Muslim conquerors did with Mohammed... I even used your quote at the beginning where you made the reference to the Roman Empire... and I specifically said "keep this in mind throughout the argument".
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