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To be loved by most of the rap fans there is a "2 do list"- Being from the ghetto- Don't play another kind of music then rap- Using the word bithes instead of woman or just girl- Don't ever put a featuring unless it's another rapper- Be Crunk (lmao)- Being from the USA (international rapper don't get regocgnition at all), and i'm not talking about the racial issue- Wearing XXXXXXXXXXXXXL shirts and pants- Having 35000000000 pairs of air force 1- etc...
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Quote from: Shallow on September 15, 2005, 06:53:48 AMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 08:23:08 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 07:53:46 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.So then please give me examples of open mindedness in rap, as a whole. It';s real easy to call something stupid and give no other info. (for the record, I meant mainstream rappers. If you have a friend around the corner he doesn't count). So far in rap, I hear about thugging, misogyny, sexism, drugs, rap skill, and whitey must die, and not much else. Give me examples that rap strays from these topics on a large scale. Show me how rap and the hip hop culture accepts the world outside their own, (and not connected to them).1. Your original post stated "rappers are...", and you didn't specify mainstream until now. I agree with the list of concepts heard in rap music, but you can't relate that to stupidity.2. The main reason why I stated that your comment was stupid is because of the second part of the comment where you stated that most rap fans are stupid. Just because a certain type of music appeals to you, doesn't make you stupid. But then again... you're a rap fan, and rap fans aren't open-minded, so you wouldn't be able to see that, now would you? 1. What do you meanby "you can't relate that to stupidity."? I'm not sure what that means.2. I clearly made a point to say "(I'm not talking about the posters in this board, but more the fake and real thugs on the street that pretend they know music)" in my fist post. I guessed you missed it. The "hardcore" fan of today is not as prominant as it once was. In the early 70s a band like Pink Floyd could make Dark Side of The Moon and a large number of music fans would get into it and enjoy it. If that album was released today it would get no video or radio play and be rejected by the masses. The mainstream fan of today has been too conditioned, in my opinion. Not just in rap, but rap is the music of choice at the moment and the rap scene asa whole has suffered. I don't mean every single rapper or every single fan, but the majority of both to the point where the minority is way too small to make a dent. Did I oversimplify in my first post? I don't don't think I did. I felt I explained who I was talking about and who I wasn't talking about. Obviously people like Common or Mos Def don't fit the mold I was criticzing, but a few rappers breaking out and doing something different on a small scale does nothing for the scene.1. What I mean is that those things don't have a correlation to stupidity.2. Ok, I guess your original post was just a little ambiguous, but this clarifies it.. at first you just said "rappers and most rap fans"...
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 08:23:08 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 07:53:46 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.So then please give me examples of open mindedness in rap, as a whole. It';s real easy to call something stupid and give no other info. (for the record, I meant mainstream rappers. If you have a friend around the corner he doesn't count). So far in rap, I hear about thugging, misogyny, sexism, drugs, rap skill, and whitey must die, and not much else. Give me examples that rap strays from these topics on a large scale. Show me how rap and the hip hop culture accepts the world outside their own, (and not connected to them).1. Your original post stated "rappers are...", and you didn't specify mainstream until now. I agree with the list of concepts heard in rap music, but you can't relate that to stupidity.2. The main reason why I stated that your comment was stupid is because of the second part of the comment where you stated that most rap fans are stupid. Just because a certain type of music appeals to you, doesn't make you stupid. But then again... you're a rap fan, and rap fans aren't open-minded, so you wouldn't be able to see that, now would you? 1. What do you meanby "you can't relate that to stupidity."? I'm not sure what that means.2. I clearly made a point to say "(I'm not talking about the posters in this board, but more the fake and real thugs on the street that pretend they know music)" in my fist post. I guessed you missed it. The "hardcore" fan of today is not as prominant as it once was. In the early 70s a band like Pink Floyd could make Dark Side of The Moon and a large number of music fans would get into it and enjoy it. If that album was released today it would get no video or radio play and be rejected by the masses. The mainstream fan of today has been too conditioned, in my opinion. Not just in rap, but rap is the music of choice at the moment and the rap scene asa whole has suffered. I don't mean every single rapper or every single fan, but the majority of both to the point where the minority is way too small to make a dent. Did I oversimplify in my first post? I don't don't think I did. I felt I explained who I was talking about and who I wasn't talking about. Obviously people like Common or Mos Def don't fit the mold I was criticzing, but a few rappers breaking out and doing something different on a small scale does nothing for the scene.
Quote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 08:23:08 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 07:53:46 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.So then please give me examples of open mindedness in rap, as a whole. It';s real easy to call something stupid and give no other info. (for the record, I meant mainstream rappers. If you have a friend around the corner he doesn't count). So far in rap, I hear about thugging, misogyny, sexism, drugs, rap skill, and whitey must die, and not much else. Give me examples that rap strays from these topics on a large scale. Show me how rap and the hip hop culture accepts the world outside their own, (and not connected to them).1. Your original post stated "rappers are...", and you didn't specify mainstream until now. I agree with the list of concepts heard in rap music, but you can't relate that to stupidity.2. The main reason why I stated that your comment was stupid is because of the second part of the comment where you stated that most rap fans are stupid. Just because a certain type of music appeals to you, doesn't make you stupid. But then again... you're a rap fan, and rap fans aren't open-minded, so you wouldn't be able to see that, now would you?
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 07:53:46 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.So then please give me examples of open mindedness in rap, as a whole. It';s real easy to call something stupid and give no other info. (for the record, I meant mainstream rappers. If you have a friend around the corner he doesn't count). So far in rap, I hear about thugging, misogyny, sexism, drugs, rap skill, and whitey must die, and not much else. Give me examples that rap strays from these topics on a large scale. Show me how rap and the hip hop culture accepts the world outside their own, (and not connected to them).
Quote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.
In short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 15, 2005, 01:04:19 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 15, 2005, 06:53:48 AMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 08:29:22 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 08:23:08 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 14, 2005, 07:53:46 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 14, 2005, 12:40:02 PMIn short rappers are stupid and so are most of their fans.If anything is stupid, it's that comment of yours.So then please give me examples of open mindedness in rap, as a whole. It';s real easy to call something stupid and give no other info. (for the record, I meant mainstream rappers. If you have a friend around the corner he doesn't count). So far in rap, I hear about thugging, misogyny, sexism, drugs, rap skill, and whitey must die, and not much else. Give me examples that rap strays from these topics on a large scale. Show me how rap and the hip hop culture accepts the world outside their own, (and not connected to them).1. Your original post stated "rappers are...", and you didn't specify mainstream until now. I agree with the list of concepts heard in rap music, but you can't relate that to stupidity.2. The main reason why I stated that your comment was stupid is because of the second part of the comment where you stated that most rap fans are stupid. Just because a certain type of music appeals to you, doesn't make you stupid. But then again... you're a rap fan, and rap fans aren't open-minded, so you wouldn't be able to see that, now would you? 1. What do you meanby "you can't relate that to stupidity."? I'm not sure what that means.2. I clearly made a point to say "(I'm not talking about the posters in this board, but more the fake and real thugs on the street that pretend they know music)" in my fist post. I guessed you missed it. The "hardcore" fan of today is not as prominant as it once was. In the early 70s a band like Pink Floyd could make Dark Side of The Moon and a large number of music fans would get into it and enjoy it. If that album was released today it would get no video or radio play and be rejected by the masses. The mainstream fan of today has been too conditioned, in my opinion. Not just in rap, but rap is the music of choice at the moment and the rap scene asa whole has suffered. I don't mean every single rapper or every single fan, but the majority of both to the point where the minority is way too small to make a dent. Did I oversimplify in my first post? I don't don't think I did. I felt I explained who I was talking about and who I wasn't talking about. Obviously people like Common or Mos Def don't fit the mold I was criticzing, but a few rappers breaking out and doing something different on a small scale does nothing for the scene.1. What I mean is that those things don't have a correlation to stupidity.2. Ok, I guess your original post was just a little ambiguous, but this clarifies it.. at first you just said "rappers and most rap fans"... So according to you rapping about; how much of a violent gangster you are, how much inferior women are, dealing drugs, how great you are as a rapper, and racism, has nothing to do with stupidity? I wonder what does correlate with stupid to you.Yeah I'm from Toronto, and we actually had hip hop going strong in Canada before you got it in LA, because of how close we are with New York. I've been and go to New York often and the only real difference is the size of the city. The rap fans aren't much different as a whole. You make it sound like I'm from some small town. You're the one from the place that the home of hip hop has criticized as second rate hip hop from day one.
In the hiphop community, there has always been this mindstate about bein "real" and the whole "real hip hop" and such and such is not "real hip hop" and things of that nature.How often have artists over the last 20 years gone against the grain only to have criticism heaped on them by the so-called "real hip hop heads"? If you have an r&b singer on a song, you're not real hip hop, if you rap over a band, you're not real hip hop, if you rap over funk instead of boom bap, you're not real hip hop, etc. That kind of mentality kills innovation.
Quote from: Juronimo is Public Enemy #1 on September 15, 2005, 05:32:11 PMIn the hiphop community, there has always been this mindstate about bein "real" and the whole "real hip hop" and such and such is not "real hip hop" and things of that nature.How often have artists over the last 20 years gone against the grain only to have criticism heaped on them by the so-called "real hip hop heads"? If you have an r&b singer on a song, you're not real hip hop, if you rap over a band, you're not real hip hop, if you rap over funk instead of boom bap, you're not real hip hop, etc. That kind of mentality kills innovation.I totally agree with that... but the thing is who are these "real hip hop heads"? Seriously, I know a lot of people who listen to hiphop and none of them fit the characteristics you guys ascribed to them.... the only time I really see people saying shit like that is online and most of the time it's squares from Norway trying to come off as gully hiphop heads.The people I know... we listen to whatever... I'll listen to artists like 50 Cent at parties or whatever, or when you just wanna bump something in the car.... but then I'll also listen to shit like Immortal Technique, Ras Kass, Canibus, Pharoahe Monch, Chino XL, whatever... but you fruitcakes try to come with some bullshit like "rap fans don't like rappers unless they wear XXXXXXL shirts"... I mean what kinda retarded bullshit is that coming from some European or Canadian fucks
^^ "I´m so violent, I´m one hell of a gangsta, bitches ain´t shit but hoes and tricks, I sell crack to infants....", that does have to do with inferiority, ok. But rapping about the circumstances under which a lot of people turn that way and describing such an environment does not, and that´s what a lot of rappers do..."Illmatic" is so great because it vividly and at times poetically portrays the projects and a young man living there, while still revolving around exactly those subjects
1. Knowing what makes money and selling out doesn't show a correlation to stupidity. For example, Chino XL is in MENSA, and if you believe he's stupid... then the only stupid one is you.
2. Yes, and since you're referring to mainstream hiphop in your post, we all know that all the mainstream stuff comes out of L.A., and none of it out of N.Y... fucking retard.. the fact that I live in L.A. doesn't have anything to do with L.A. rappers... unless now we get another thing coming out of your narrow mind which would imply that fans only listen to the rap music that originates in their city.
Its not the artists... It's the fans. The Majority of rappers want to try something new. But, their core fans refuse to listen to it. Bubba Sparxxx made an amazing album, IMO, with Deliverance... Where is he now? Snoop branches out and works with new artists from other areas, what does he get? Hate. It's a lose/lose for artists nowadays. Fans dictate so much of Hip Hop, an artist can't truely be an artist. If FANS were more open-minded, Hip Hop would be too, as a whole.
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 15, 2005, 03:27:43 PM1. Knowing what makes money and selling out doesn't show a correlation to stupidity. For example, Chino XL is in MENSA, and if you believe he's stupid... then the only stupid one is you.You bring up making songs for the sake of making money, (which isn't artistic at all), because it's "smart", then you bring up a rapper who doesn't sell any records as your example of smart rappers. You make no sense. I never meant every rapper is an intellectual moron. I meant artistically the majority aren't that good.I never said it was smart, don't put words in my mouth. I said it has no correlation to stupidity. If you were to say that you're not stupid, would it automatically mean that you're smart? Is everything zero-sum with you?Yeah I brought up a rapper who doesn't sell any records as an example of smart rappers, but not once did I say that selling records has a correlation to intelligence. You make no sense, and the only time you make yourself believe that you do, is when you misinterpret others' words.Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on September 15, 2005, 03:27:43 PM2. Yes, and since you're referring to mainstream hiphop in your post, we all know that all the mainstream stuff comes out of L.A., and none of it out of N.Y... fucking retard.. the fact that I live in L.A. doesn't have anything to do with L.A. rappers... unless now we get another thing coming out of your narrow mind which would imply that fans only listen to the rap music that originates in their city. And who currently in the mainstream is from LA? Certainly not the majority. And certainly not historically.It was meant as sarcasm.. guess I overestimated your ability to sense it.And I don't even know why you're in this argument. You disagree with me for blaimng the fans yet agree with SGV for saying the same thing. THen you agree and disagree with Juronimo over the same things. Youre crazy. Pick a side and stick to it.I disagree with you stating that the fans are stupid. Where in SGV's posts do you see him stating that fans are stupid... maybe he believes it, but it's not in his post.... and later when you clarified yourself, I told you that I agreed with what you said because you didn't make it clear in your original post. You seem to be getting your panties wet over nothing these days... maybe we should hold the arguing for 4-7 days.
You said not stupid then you brought up examples of smart by stating Mensa. It was a more than clear implication. Much clearer than your sarcasm, which almost never translates well in writing.I feel I made it very clear from the first post and you were the only one to confuse it. I feel it's stupid to not accept artistic growth from artists and I also feel it's stupid for artists to resist artistic growth. I do not mean this in an econimical way. I mean that rappers tend to think it has to be done a certain way and refuse to accept many things.