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Yes, but I wasn't arguing that... you're making a statement that I didn't even argue...

In regards to what the government does on purpose, I mentioned the demolishing of homes.... not just "terrorist homes"... the government demolished homes that were in the way of the wall being built on Palestinian land. Comprende?

J @ M @ L:

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--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 24, 2005, 12:15:22 AM ---Nice job ignoring your contradictions, keep it up. And thank you Tech, maybe the moment Propaganda victims get reinforced by their likes they calm down.

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LOL... nice job ignoring the entire argument and your flip-flopping... LOL @ propaganda victims coming from the guy who blindly supports the regime that calls a wall 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall a fence.... we won't even talk about actions it has taken (Lavon Affair  ;))

Now go read your history books written by Zionists.

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lol And you've called me brainwashed even though I've told you that I'm against this fence. Damn, so thick headed and blind to the facts, you really frustrate me homie.

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I can understand you being frustrated... I would be too if I didn't know what the fuck was going on and I got involved in some argument with someone I can't bullshit.  :)

Anyways, this and you are over. Peace.

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I could go on for days pointing out facts and refuting your ungrounded statements but what good does talking to a wall?
Good luck, hope your self-persuasion works out for you, you're a lucky dude if you can live in peace with yourself without minding reality.

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Says the guy who supports the government with over 60 UN resolutions against it... the government that kills off innocent people... the government that bulldozes the homes of innocent people... the government that illegally occupies the land of others... the government that attacks U.S. navy vessels hoping that the blame will be put on someone else.... LOL.. yeah, I'm not minding reality. Good luck, hope your ignorance works out for you, you're a lucky dude if you can live in peace with yourself without minding the truth.  :)

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I never knew it was the "government" bulldozing homes and killing innocent people, I thought it was the Israeli soldiers performing these actions. Oh wait, it was..."Government" does not approve the killings of innocent people, I Geezy has been saying that...

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LOL@  it's not the government, it's the soldiers.... I seriously can't believe this... that's like saying it's not our government's fault that we went to war... it's the military's fault because they're the ones that went there... LOLLLLL what the fuck.... you think the soldiers just go out there and do whatever the fuck they want? Did our troops decide "damn, let's go to Iraq and take out Saddam"... or was it our government? Come on man, you gotta be smarter than this.

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Like I said and you ignored, the government does not approve killings of innocent people. Soldiers are sent out to war, innocent people get harmed, it is not the main intention...Why do you choose to ignore that and bring up Iraq?

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I was referring to the line about the bulldozing of homes... where you claimed that it was the soldiers doing that and not the government... I hope you realize and understand that the government makes such decisions and not the military. Why do you choose to ignore that?

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Have they ever approved the bulldozing of a civilians home out in the open? No. So how else would you be able to provide proof for that statement unless you knew the Israeli government personally and they admitted this to you?

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What the hell are you talking about? Have they approved it? LOL they're the ones doing it... the government bulldozes homes, not the military. That's like saying construction workers make the decision to build freeways.. and then asking "has the government approved that action by the construction workers?" LOL

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You ignored my question. Is that your signature method of debating? Like I asked, has the government openly admitted to intentionally targeting Palestinian civilians or not? If they haven't, there is no possible way you can prove it, everything else is just speculation...That's what I'm talkin' about.

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No the government hasn't openly admitted to it... but what government would? If the government tries to hide the shit it does... then why would it just openly admit something? There is no possible way I can prove it for the present. However, you made 2 points in your original statement, the other being that about the bulldozing of homes. That's what I addressed... that's what I argued... I didn't argue the part about killing civilians...  you're ignoring your own comments... I didn't ignore anything...

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Let's clear something out, Israel does not bulldoze homes cause the IDF or the Israeli government feel like it, if this was the case I don't believe there would be a single building left standing on Palestinian territory. However Israel does uphold a penal policy in the address of those who choose to comply with terrorist power structures. How would you choose to supply observed negative reinforcement to up and coming suicide bombers(that high percentage among Palestinian youth that dreams about becoming Shahids)?? Israel does not demolish homes just for the heck of it.


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LOL the way you try to justify these things is hilarious.... what gives Israel the right to go into Palestinian territory, and demolish the homes of Palestinians? Actually.... homes were demolished because they were "in the way" of the wall built.... in addition to the land stolen, etc... LOL get the fuck outta here man

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What gives Israel the right??? Are you worried more about some terrorist's house than you are worried about the lives of Israeli civilians?Well of course you are, I almost forgot who I'm talking to. And I do not need to justify shit man, these terrorists are the ones doing it for me.What gives them a right to send brainwashed fucktards to blow themselves up on Israeli civilians?
Man you're lost in your own bullshit, you keep contradicting yourself time after time, one moment you're against suicide bombing next moment you're worried more about terrorists homes than you are about human lives, the normal humans, not the ones that decide to die and to take along with them more people. Did you know that thanks to this policy there were cases when Palestinian families that knew their sons were about to blow themselves up submited them to the IDF preventing many losses of human lives? I know of at least 20 cases....tell me it wasn't worth it you hypocrite.

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1. Israel has no right to demolish the homes of Palestinian homes... and you haven't been able to show that it has the RIGHT... your reasoning for why you feel it's a good thing doesn't mean it's justified...

2. You're assuming that ONLY the homes of terrorists are being demolished, which is not the case. Even if it were... a terrorist has a family, and you can't punish an entire family for the action of one member.

3. Obviously they don't have the RIGHT to go and blow up shit. That's what makes them "terrorists"... do you see the difference between the terrorists and the Israeli government? If you say there's a difference, then I agree because a government is supposed to adhere to laws... if you say there's no difference, I'd still agree.

4. According to your logic... or lack of one... it's okay to kill someone because you believe there's a chance that in the future that person might kill you... try that in court (you know the place where they look at and observe laws... I hope you know what laws are)


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1. What I feel??? man I haven't even started talking about my feelings on the issue. As for rights- Israel has the right to defend its civilians from terrorist atacks and Israel has the right to prevent such atacks. Being that the Palestinian authority proves itself to be impotent or non-willing to prevent such assaults, Israel has even more than a right IT HAS A MORAL OBLIGATION TO DO WHATEVER IS IN ITS POWER TO DEFUSE SUCH ENDEAVORS.

2.Since you are not sure whether only the homes of terrorists are being demolished, why are you even commenting on this? for the sake of speculation?...-Well of course.
How else would you punish a person that decided to commit mass murder along with a suicide? Would you kill him again? Israel supplies observed negative reinforcement for likely to emerge future bombers and for their families, there's no other treatment except for from within the Palestinian authority which they are not willing to inflict.

3.You're damn right they don't have the right to blow up Israeli civilians although I know that you are saying it only for the sake of political correctness. And there IS a huge difference between terrorists and governments in most of the world but in the Palestinian Autonomy these structures seem to be accomplices.

4. How in hell did you conclude that according to my logic it is OK to kill people in advance to their crime? STOP PUTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, go argue with yourself man you seem to be in disagreement with your own bullshit.

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1. Moral obligation doesn't equal adhering to law. When I'm talking about RIGHT.. I'm talking about the lawful right. You're not able to justify it, so you give me reasons why you think it's okay for them to do it... AKA your feelings, Mr. We Todd It

2. It goes against international law... so now you can understand why the UN resolutions are in place. As long as you know... I'm not asking you to agree or disagree... just as long you realize what's going on.

3. So Palestinians don't have the right to harm innocent Israelis... because that would make them terrorists... but the Israeli government harming Palestinians is okay... if Palestinians blow shit up, they're terrorists... if Israel blows shit up, it's defense...
And once again, after I fuck your argument up, you decide to assume that you know what my thoughts or views are... when the fuck did you become psychic? Just because I'm fucking up your argument, doesn't mean you should wrongfully assume what my views are. You lost the argument a long time ago, yet you're acting like this is the first time you've been proven wrong. Keep your assumptions to yourself.

4. Ok.. you really must be retarded....
"Did you know that thanks to this policy (REFERRING TO THE DEMOLISHING OF HOMES) there were cases when Palestinian families that knew their sons were about to blow themselves up submited them to the IDF preventing many losses of human lives? I know of at least 20 cases....tell me it wasn't worth it you hypocrite"
This is the Israeli government bulldozing homes because they believe that someone in the family might commit an act in the future... you justify this... so I made the analogy, hence the words "according to your logic" which we all now know you lack.... do you know what an analogy is?

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 MAYBE these are just us sentimental Israelis who don't view LAWS and MORAL OBLIGATIONS as different aspects. That is unlike The UN you so very much like to mention without willing to admit whether you view it as a moral compass or as a reflection of international consensus cause that would get you in trouble but still you do not see the contradiction in bringing up its resolutions concerning Israel. And you're acting as if you haven't fucked your own arguments up with the previous page of this thread when you admited that you simply do not see the connection between spending billions of dollars of support money on terrorism instead of investing it in bettering the life of the Palestinian population and the way things work out for the Palestinians, whose interests you're trying to defend with your nonsensical bullshit approach, for all these years.

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LOL. You lost. I don't know which played a larger role... me fucking your arguments up, or you just making retarded comments... either way, now you can save yourself the embarassment.

By the way, where did I admit that I "do not see the connection between spending billions of dollars of support money on terrorism instead of investing it in bettering the life of the Palestinian population and the way things work out for the Palestinians". The Palestinian leadership has fucked up...  but that doesn't mean that Palestinians haven't been victims of Zionism. That's all I was arguing, and that's what I have proven. You call the adherence of laws and rights nonsensical... which I can understand  :)

SHALOM.

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LMAO Weren't you taught to loose with respect?....This is like the 100th time you're trying to bail out of this debate proclaiming yourself the winner only to return again and to embarrass yourself even more with bullshit arguments and topic dodging. If you do not recall yourself admitting your ignorance just go back to the previous page man, I hope you can at least fathom your own bullshit. The fact Palestinian governments and Palestinian so called freedom fighters had been fuckin up for all these years didn't disappear into oblivion only because you chose to admit it, this fact casts on the frustration within the Palestinian people, the large predisposition to terrorism due to the frustration, the docility for manipulation by terroristic power structures. With the amounts of money they received they could've already lived like a decent developing state just like Israel had been at the dawn of its existence but these so called leaders chose FOR THEM a way of terrorism and you my friend are in the deepest of denials if you do not see this.
So yea, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR MIDTERMS, MAN.... Too bad my college year is gonna be accompanied by Kassams flying over my head while studying. Salam...!

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So you say that I admitted it... then I ask you to show me where... and you come with this? LOLLL ... don't make statements you can't back.

Did the Palestinian leadership fuck up and let down its own people? Yes.
Is that the ONLY reason for their condition? No.

I wish I could draw diagrams out for you guys...

J @ M @ L:
Just to show you how brainwashed you are.... you kept referring to the wall as a fence... The Berlin Wall was about 96 miles long, and on average about 4 meters high. The Israeli FENCE LOOOL is supposed to be over 400 miles long when done, and is about 8 meters high (25 feet).



Fence? I think not... but then again, this picture must be propaganda used to brainwash me...

makaveli11:
 :o 400 miles long and 8 meters when done. Damn!!!

I TO DA GEEZY:

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5. Israel receives money from the U.S to maintain it's existence and yes that includes the military budget taken into consideration the risks Israel is facing but look what Israel had done with its funding throughout its short existence. Despite a constant threat to our existence we have here a stable first world state and that's in such a short time period, many nations struggle for centuries before they are stabilized . With the International support money Arafat recieved - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS - He could've created infrastructures and he could've built schools but the money went for terrorism at times when Oslo was supposed to be his main goal and in addition the Fatah received weapons from Israel to maintain order- NICELY DONE!. Oslo was just a tactical step for Arafat.
Israel has done good for itself.. Arafat was an idiot... I agree, but what's your point? You can't stick to the argument.

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OH GUESS WHO'S BACK....LOL weren't you leaving this debate??....WELCOME HOME SON!! CLOWN

Obviously YOU CAN'T fathom your own bullshit, I've lost all hope.

Here you go, just read your response, YOU SAID THAT YOU AGREE but that THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT and this is exactly what PROVES Palestinians are VICTIMS OF THEIR OWN LEADERSHIP and that Israel is coerced to overcome Palestinian terrorism since the Palestinian government refuses to handle\eradicate Palestinian terrorism despite condemning it in front of the media afterwards!-YOU OPENLY CHOSE TO IGNORE IT which is an unequivocal proof of you being either truly brainwashed or (since you claim you are not brainwashed) ignorant. When Abu Mazen reacted to this last bombing and Israel's response he actualy said something very interesting, you should grab onto his thought "This time we were the aggressors, this happned due to an internal flaw(meaning previous attacks were coordinated with the government??), I DO NOT WANT TO DEFEND ISRAEL BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH and it is important to be said" His advisers tried to correct him while saying this!...and truth is this is how this entire conflict started people just choose not to look back.



p.s What's up with you and this WALL (here u go " WALL"!!) I told you for like a billion times I'm against it.

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