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Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
7even:
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--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 05:01:39 AM ---The whole idea of Israel is ridiculous.. planting an artificial state right where the "enemies" are and then slowly take their land.. don't tell me that wasn't the plan. About anyone who argues "it's our holy land, the bible says!!!11" I can only laugh, really. Im going to write a book in which it's stated that the whole world belongs to me, then go around from house to house, showing everybody my book and bulldoze their house. Everybody who fights back is a terrorist.
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First of all, these enemies you're refering to are our enemies by their own choice, this is history man.Up untill the Jews came here to gradually found their state these people were never our enemies, do I have to start over this debate?- we've covered this, ignoring facts is pointless however most of the world at those times was drenched with anti-semitism so there weren't many choices as for the geographical location of the upcoming Jewish national home.What was a not so great idea was proclaiming an arbitrary group of people as a NATION seeking for SELF-DETERMINATION only for the sake of removing an already established nation from land it was trying to regain after centuries without a national home espcially when this nation expressed its peaceful intentions and especially when this nation had been persecuted everywhere else . Second of all, according to what you're saying you must also be opposing to the existence of the US since the people who founded it despite its native population already had land, unlike Jews. This has little to do with religion but you're the one mentioning the bible, tell me, are you religious? - I believe you're not since you made the statement about writing a book about the whole world belonging to you, I mean that I hope you aren't religious otherwise this would be an empty statement.
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1. Im not religious and no matter how religious some people might be, there is no way a state should be created upon a quote from an ancient book. No matter if it's the bible, the qu'ran or detective story.
2. What the pilgrims did to the Indians was of course wrong, Im not here to argue that. How does that change anything?
3. What exactly are you now? A religion, a race or a nation? Seriously, I'm lost on that one. I heard it all now. "I'm not white, I'm Jewish." "We're a nation." I suppose Jews weren't hated in America, why didnt you make a state in Oregon, USA, or so? Canada is pretty huge with few people, why not creating a Jewish state in Canada? Why the fuck creating a state right there, when it's OBVIOUS there gon be trouble? Argueing that you claimed to have peaceful intentions is ridiculous, it's like a little child claiming it didnt mean to piss anyone off when it sits on the toy someone else wants to play with.. "Im just sitting there, hey, I ain't doing nothing, man".. that doesn't really work.
Why the hell you need a Jewish state anyway for that matter? Do we have a black state? Or a catholic state?
Anyways, this whole land grabbing thing is ridiculous from its very start, I'm sure everybody sees that, but has to stand up for his people, which I understand. The American government sure as hell sees this as well, but we all know how much the US loves to have control there and we all know how much power Jews have in the US. It's not about right or wrong, it's about power and money.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 07:14:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 28, 2005, 06:48:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 05:01:39 AM ---The whole idea of Israel is ridiculous.. planting an artificial state right where the "enemies" are and then slowly take their land.. don't tell me that wasn't the plan. About anyone who argues "it's our holy land, the bible says!!!11" I can only laugh, really. Im going to write a book in which it's stated that the whole world belongs to me, then go around from house to house, showing everybody my book and bulldoze their house. Everybody who fights back is a terrorist.
--- End quote ---
First of all, these enemies you're refering to are our enemies by their own choice, this is history man.Up untill the Jews came here to gradually found their state these people were never our enemies, do I have to start over this debate?- we've covered this, ignoring facts is pointless however most of the world at those times was drenched with anti-semitism so there weren't many choices as for the geographical location of the upcoming Jewish national home.What was a not so great idea was proclaiming an arbitrary group of people as a NATION seeking for SELF-DETERMINATION only for the sake of removing an already established nation from land it was trying to regain after centuries without a national home espcially when this nation expressed its peaceful intentions and especially when this nation had been persecuted everywhere else . Second of all, according to what you're saying you must also be opposing to the existence of the US since the people who founded it despite its native population already had land, unlike Jews. This has little to do with religion but you're the one mentioning the bible, tell me, are you religious? - I believe you're not since you made the statement about writing a book about the whole world belonging to you, I mean that I hope you aren't religious otherwise this would be an empty statement.
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1. Im not religious and no matter how religious some people might be, there is no way a state should be created upon a quote from an ancient book. No matter if it's the bible, the qu'ran or detective story.
2. What the pilgrims did to the Indians was of course wrong, Im not here to argue that. How does that change anything?
3. What exactly are you now? A religion, a race or a nation? Seriously, I'm lost on that one. I heard it all now. "I'm not white, I'm Jewish." "We're a nation." I suppose Jews weren't hated in America, why didnt you make a state in Oregon, USA, or so? Canada is pretty huge with few people, why not creating a Jewish state in Canada? Why the fuck creating a state right there, when it's OBVIOUS there gon be trouble? Argueing that you claimed to have peaceful intentions is ridiculous, it's like a little child claiming it didnt mean to piss anyone off when it sits on the toy someone else wants to play with.. "Im just sitting there, hey, I ain't doing nothing, man".. that doesn't really work.
Why the hell you need a Jewish state anyway for that matter? Do we have a black state? Or a catholic state?
Anyways, this whole land grabbing thing is ridiculous from its very start, I'm sure everybody sees that, but has to stand up for his people, which I understand. The American government sure as hell sees this as well, but we all know how much the US loves to have control there and we all know how much power Jews have in the US. It's not about right or wrong, it's about power and money.
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I never said I was religious and the reasons for creating a Jewish state lay within the Jewish history and not within the Jewish religion, I'm very sorry that you haven't been taught Jewish history. Judaism is a religion, Jews are a nation and we are semites racialy. Jews wouldn't need a national home if it wasn't for the anti-semitism they've encountered throughout the centuries and its most prominent outlet- The Holocaust, history showed us Jews would've been extinct without a state.
The US is a country based on occupation of land for imperialistic purposes despite its native population by people who owned land by the time they got there, unlike Israel that was founded for purposes of refuge and survival of the Jewish people by people who didn't have any land before. Coming with peaceful intentions toward the native population unlike the American pilgrims, yet you choose to oppose Israels existence much more, I wonder why?
Zionists did come with peaceful intentions-IT'S A FACT....Hostility was triggered first by Palestinian puppet freedom fighters to prevent the creation of a Jewish state however not so that the Palestinians would have their own state but so that Egypt and Syria could unite, bridging through Palestine. In 48 the UN didn't only decide on the creation of a Jewish state but of a Palestinian state as well and they had much more land than they have today. Have you ever wondered why it was never created?- Because the Arab nations that controlled the Palestinian freedom fighters weren't interested in granting these so called "Palestinians" with a state, they made up the Palestinian self-determination to claim at least some of the land,most of it as a matter of fact, do you not get this?
LMAO@ YOU SUPPOSING JEWS WEREN'T HATED IN AMERICA....This is ridiculous...OMG MAN! DID YOU JUST RETURN FROM OUTER SPACE??? Have you heared about the Saint Louis ship after Kristalnacht that left Hamburg on May 13th 1939? It had 936 Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany and your Jewish loving USA REFUSED to let them in despite the fact 734 entrance clearances
among the passengers....How's that for your anti-semitism free USA?-FYI most of these refugees were MURDERED during The Holocaust. Some of you people really crack me up with your fairy tale solutions.
7even:
Quite frankly, I don't really care about stuff like you are "semites" racially, or that Jews are a nation. That's on some Star Trek shit to me. I don't like when people refrain from what really goes on and decide to hold on to some theoretical stuff, like "good intentions" or that "the govt of Israel never ordered the murder of civil palestians". I see what I see. Now, my knowledge on this topic is indeed limited, I don't know much about your history and I also don't really bother to. And I don't need to. ALL that is relevent is this: You can't just take one's land and act like it's normal, LOL. It's really not much more complex than that. The issue is shockingly simple, really.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 09:06:56 AM --- I see what I see. Now, my knowledge on this topic is indeed limited, I don't know much about your history and I also don't really bother to. And I don't need to. ALL that is relevent is this: You can't just take one's land and act like it's normal, LOL. It's really not much more complex than that. The issue is shockingly simple, really.
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This conflict is anything but simple, arguing on this issue with insufficient knowledge is straight up GIBBERISH!!!
Simple huh?? If I remember correctly you're an American? Pack your stuff homeboy you're moving since you're occupying the land of Native Americans, BECAUSE I KNOW USA'S HISTORY AND YOU'RE LIVING ON THAT LAND IN CONTRADICTION OF YOUR OWN VIEWS,you're right, when it's simple, IT'S SIMPLE!!!
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 28, 2005, 04:11:48 AM ---
The Palestinian people ARE IN NO WAY VICTIMS OF ZIONISM-
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AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH....Damn, i needed that on a friday afternoon
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