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Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
I think I Geezy speaks a lot better english than anyone I saw during my 1 month stay in Israel this summer...You're a very intelligent man, I'm glad we have at least one intelligent person putting in some work for our peeps in the "Train of Thought". I know I'm way too uninspired to even type up more than a sentence regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I mean, I used to, but that shit is nothin' but circles...PeACe
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
PS...That's gangsta how you've kept your sig the same for all these years...LOL@REL producing for your album.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 20, 2005, 03:10:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 11:07:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 19, 2005, 01:01:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PM ---if you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.
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I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.
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LOL... you're pathetic. You made a conclusion based on what you perceived my words to mean... which is an assumption... which is fine, but AFTER I tell you exactly what I mean and what I believe... you still hold onto that because you know I'm right... LOL how did I reinforce your point, when I just told you that your assumption about me was wrong.... basically what this has come down to is you telling me that you know better than I do what I think or believe... LOLLLL just drop it chump... you're a lost cause... my work is done here... you're beneath my level... go argue with the Jomes and Rampants...
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Well I guess this is the closest you get to admitting you're wrong, you know, by leading the debate off topic, ok I get that, although it seems like you can't even do that right- so you go and stumble on your own words- being against Israel's existence to begin with=thinking it would be better if Israel didn't exist at all, so yea,just like the Arab league you adapt to the default option like a first class working girl, oh well, Israel exist's so you have to camouflage your agenda under a politicaly correct flag which is -"The Self Determination Right Of The Palestinians" (see my reply to Don Rizzle) although you don't qualify in anyway to be a spokesperson for the Arab world and the Palestinians in particular, trust me they've got the big guns there, rest your immature mind-those people could convince you that Israel is negotiating with UFOs,I guess you should know. Since you're just a byproduct of their propoganda- I'll give you one thing- You would very much like for the Palestinian side to be the righteous one,right, so technically there is no comouflaging of agenda on your part since you're transparent.
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How did I lead the debate off topic when you're the one that ignored my entire post and simply stated that you still believe that your assumptions about me were correct... and all I did was respond to that.... LOLL so you go off topic, and I respond... and that means that I'm the one that went off topic... great logic you got.
I'm not putting anything under a politically correct flag... I've said it before and I'll say it again... Israel exists now, and there's nothing anybody can do about that... but do I think that the Zionists had the right to just come and take the land? No.... but the Jews living there today aren't at fault... they had nothing to do with what happened... they have homes and lives there now, and shouldn't be pushed off the land like the Palestinians were/are...
LOLL and when the fuck did I claim to be a spokesperson for the Arab world? You love pulling shit out of your ass... as a matter of fact, it was you speaking on behalf of the Israeli leaders telling me why YOU THINK they did what they did... I'm a byproduct of propaganda? I haven't even stated anything remotely close to being propaganda... I guess the barrier that's 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall really is a fence then... and only dumbasses who fall victim to propaganda would be stupid enough to actually believe it was a wall. LOLLL you're flip floppin like a schizophrenic John Kerry... first you tell me that you don't think Israeli leaders did anything on purpose (you speaking on behalf of them), then you tell me what my views and beliefs are, then when I respond to that and inform you what it is I really believe, then you say I went off topic and tell me that I'm no spokesperson for the Arab world when it was you speaking on behalf of Zionist murderers and their motives...
Let me ask you 1 simple question... there is nothing subjective about this... If Israel wants to build a fence (since I'm a victim of propaganda I'd like to call it a wall since it's 30 times larger than the Berlin WALL)... but if Israel wants to build one for its protection, which it has the right to do.... why doesn't it build it on the Green Line...and instead decides to cut into Palestinian territory (bulldozing more homes, cutting down more of their trees knowing they depend on agriculture, etc)... why steal even more land? And is that justified? The International Court doesn't seem to think so, but then again... who the hell are they... I mean we got I Geezy saying it's okay... LOLL you guys are all the same
And NIK is right, this does just go in circles... the reason for that is that you can't or aren't willing to notice the flaws on the side you support... so being in denial you jump all over the place like a dog in the dark trying to find a way out...
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 20, 2005, 02:27:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 20, 2005, 03:10:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 11:07:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 19, 2005, 01:01:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PM ---if you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.
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I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.
--- End quote ---
LOL... you're pathetic. You made a conclusion based on what you perceived my words to mean... which is an assumption... which is fine, but AFTER I tell you exactly what I mean and what I believe... you still hold onto that because you know I'm right... LOL how did I reinforce your point, when I just told you that your assumption about me was wrong.... basically what this has come down to is you telling me that you know better than I do what I think or believe... LOLLLL just drop it chump... you're a lost cause... my work is done here... you're beneath my level... go argue with the Jomes and Rampants...
--- End quote ---
Well I guess this is the closest you get to admitting you're wrong, you know, by leading the debate off topic, ok I get that, although it seems like you can't even do that right- so you go and stumble on your own words- being against Israel's existence to begin with=thinking it would be better if Israel didn't exist at all, so yea,just like the Arab league you adapt to the default option like a first class working girl, oh well, Israel exist's so you have to camouflage your agenda under a politicaly correct flag which is -"The Self Determination Right Of The Palestinians" (see my reply to Don Rizzle) although you don't qualify in anyway to be a spokesperson for the Arab world and the Palestinians in particular, trust me they've got the big guns there, rest your immature mind-those people could convince you that Israel is negotiating with UFOs,I guess you should know. Since you're just a byproduct of their propoganda- I'll give you one thing- You would very much like for the Palestinian side to be the righteous one,right, so technically there is no comouflaging of agenda on your part since you're transparent.
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How did I lead the debate off topic when you're the one that ignored my entire post and simply stated that you still believe that your assumptions about me were correct... and all I did was respond to that.... LOLL so you go off topic, and I respond... and that means that I'm the one that went off topic... great logic you got.
I'm not putting anything under a politically correct flag... I've said it before and I'll say it again... Israel exists now, and there's nothing anybody can do about that... but do I think that the Zionists had the right to just come and take the land? No.... but the Jews living there today aren't at fault... they had nothing to do with what happened... they have homes and lives there now, and shouldn't be pushed off the land like the Palestinians were/are...
LOLL and when the fuck did I claim to be a spokesperson for the Arab world? You love pulling shit out of your ass... as a matter of fact, it was you speaking on behalf of the Israeli leaders telling me why YOU THINK they did what they did... I'm a byproduct of propaganda? I haven't even stated anything remotely close to being propaganda... I guess the barrier that's 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall really is a fence then... and only dumbasses who fall victim to propaganda would be stupid enough to actually believe it was a wall. LOLLL you're flip floppin like a schizophrenic John Kerry... first you tell me that you don't think Israeli leaders did anything on purpose (you speaking on behalf of them), then you tell me what my views and beliefs are, then when I respond to that and inform you what it is I really believe, then you say I went off topic and tell me that I'm no spokesperson for the Arab world when it was you speaking on behalf of Zionist murderers and their motives...
Let me ask you 1 simple question... there is nothing subjective about this... If Israel wants to build a fence (since I'm a victim of propaganda I'd like to call it a wall since it's 30 times larger than the Berlin WALL)... but if Israel wants to build one for its protection, which it has the right to do.... why doesn't it build it on the Green Line...and instead decides to cut into Palestinian territory (bulldozing more homes, cutting down more of their trees knowing they depend on agriculture, etc)... why steal even more land? And is that justified? The International Court doesn't seem to think so, but then again... who the hell are they... I mean we got I Geezy saying it's okay... LOLL you guys are all the same
And NIK is right, this does just go in circles... the reason for that is that you can't or aren't willing to notice the flaws on the side you support... so being in denial you jump all over the place like a dog in the dark trying to find a way out...
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Thanks for returning to the topic, good to know my last post didn't go unnoticed- I'll even overlook your sorry response to my last post ;). Let me answer your question now- I personaly am against the mere concept of this so called separation fence in the form in which it was presented to the public just like I was against the disengagement in the form in which it was presented, I don't think it will be helpfull to either one of the sides....Understand one thing, my frustration with the conduct of the Palestinian side,while primary and prominent, is always accompanied with criticism toward Israel as well, I think Israel's, my, government should've come up with a number of better moves on it's way to a peace treaty, on it's part,everything from the timing to the execution is not quite to my liking, Israel has an enormous internal public debate, we're a democracy, as I have said already our leadership reflects the middle ground of this public debate, a consensus. We still have an unresolved problem with the population known as "Israeli Arabs" who are Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, who live within Israel's borders and who entirely support the Palestinian side (When I say entirely, I mean that a large percentage of the population is also in support of terrorist acts against Israel) with many incidents of cooperation and complicity with terrorists as well as initiation, moreover, this potentially explosive population layer is fairly represented in the Israeli Parliament( The Kneset) as it is customary to a democratic regime. You've mentioned that the fence shouldn't be cuting through Palestinian territory and I say- what's the purpose of it when we still have Potential terrorists within our own territory ready to kill as many civilians as Hamas and Jihad leaders will order them to, build it on neutral territory?- I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BUILD IT ANYWHERE.
J @ M @ L:
"Thanks for returning to the topic, good to know my last post didn't go unnoticed- I'll even overlook your sorry response to my last post"
Yeah, you went off-topic and I returned to it.... and you're right, your post didn't go unnoticed, only mine do :)
Anyways, you've answered my question, and I agree that the wall should not be built.
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