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Quote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 05:01:39 AMThe whole idea of Israel is ridiculous.. planting an artificial state right where the "enemies" are and then slowly take their land.. don't tell me that wasn't the plan. About anyone who argues "it's our holy land, the bible says!!!11" I can only laugh, really. Im going to write a book in which it's stated that the whole world belongs to me, then go around from house to house, showing everybody my book and bulldoze their house. Everybody who fights back is a terrorist.First of all, these enemies you're refering to are our enemies by their own choice, this is history man.Up untill the Jews came here to gradually found their state these people were never our enemies, do I have to start over this debate?- we've covered this, ignoring facts is pointless however most of the world at those times was drenched with anti-semitism so there weren't many choices as for the geographical location of the upcoming Jewish national home.What was a not so great idea was proclaiming an arbitrary group of people as a NATION seeking for SELF-DETERMINATION only for the sake of removing an already established nation from land it was trying to regain after centuries without a national home espcially when this nation expressed its peaceful intentions and especially when this nation had been persecuted everywhere else . Second of all, according to what you're saying you must also be opposing to the existence of the US since the people who founded it despite its native population already had land, unlike Jews. This has little to do with religion but you're the one mentioning the bible, tell me, are you religious? - I believe you're not since you made the statement about writing a book about the whole world belonging to you, I mean that I hope you aren't religious otherwise this would be an empty statement.
The whole idea of Israel is ridiculous.. planting an artificial state right where the "enemies" are and then slowly take their land.. don't tell me that wasn't the plan. About anyone who argues "it's our holy land, the bible says!!!11" I can only laugh, really. Im going to write a book in which it's stated that the whole world belongs to me, then go around from house to house, showing everybody my book and bulldoze their house. Everybody who fights back is a terrorist.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 28, 2005, 06:48:06 AMQuote from: 7even the sober dude on October 28, 2005, 05:01:39 AMThe whole idea of Israel is ridiculous.. planting an artificial state right where the "enemies" are and then slowly take their land.. don't tell me that wasn't the plan. About anyone who argues "it's our holy land, the bible says!!!11" I can only laugh, really. Im going to write a book in which it's stated that the whole world belongs to me, then go around from house to house, showing everybody my book and bulldoze their house. Everybody who fights back is a terrorist.First of all, these enemies you're refering to are our enemies by their own choice, this is history man.Up untill the Jews came here to gradually found their state these people were never our enemies, do I have to start over this debate?- we've covered this, ignoring facts is pointless however most of the world at those times was drenched with anti-semitism so there weren't many choices as for the geographical location of the upcoming Jewish national home.What was a not so great idea was proclaiming an arbitrary group of people as a NATION seeking for SELF-DETERMINATION only for the sake of removing an already established nation from land it was trying to regain after centuries without a national home espcially when this nation expressed its peaceful intentions and especially when this nation had been persecuted everywhere else . Second of all, according to what you're saying you must also be opposing to the existence of the US since the people who founded it despite its native population already had land, unlike Jews. This has little to do with religion but you're the one mentioning the bible, tell me, are you religious? - I believe you're not since you made the statement about writing a book about the whole world belonging to you, I mean that I hope you aren't religious otherwise this would be an empty statement.1. Im not religious and no matter how religious some people might be, there is no way a state should be created upon a quote from an ancient book. No matter if it's the bible, the qu'ran or detective story.2. What the pilgrims did to the Indians was of course wrong, Im not here to argue that. How does that change anything?3. What exactly are you now? A religion, a race or a nation? Seriously, I'm lost on that one. I heard it all now. "I'm not white, I'm Jewish." "We're a nation." I suppose Jews weren't hated in America, why didnt you make a state in Oregon, USA, or so? Canada is pretty huge with few people, why not creating a Jewish state in Canada? Why the fuck creating a state right there, when it's OBVIOUS there gon be trouble? Argueing that you claimed to have peaceful intentions is ridiculous, it's like a little child claiming it didnt mean to piss anyone off when it sits on the toy someone else wants to play with.. "Im just sitting there, hey, I ain't doing nothing, man".. that doesn't really work. Why the hell you need a Jewish state anyway for that matter? Do we have a black state? Or a catholic state? Anyways, this whole land grabbing thing is ridiculous from its very start, I'm sure everybody sees that, but has to stand up for his people, which I understand. The American government sure as hell sees this as well, but we all know how much the US loves to have control there and we all know how much power Jews have in the US. It's not about right or wrong, it's about power and money.
I see what I see. Now, my knowledge on this topic is indeed limited, I don't know much about your history and I also don't really bother to. And I don't need to. ALL that is relevent is this: You can't just take one's land and act like it's normal, LOL. It's really not much more complex than that. The issue is shockingly simple, really.
The Palestinian people ARE IN NO WAY VICTIMS OF ZIONISM-
7even the littledinger pretty much summed it upThe Israeli/Palestinian conflict is remarkeably simple. So simple that Israelis and their sympathesizers have to ADD initiall factors to the debate to cloud the discussion and blur the lines between fact and fiction.Hence, "what are the Israelis doin on Arab land?" becomes "why isnt the palestinian authority reigning in military groups?"
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Ok, let's say there's a kid and he gets his ass beat by some stranger on the street. Then he gets home and his dad beats him. So does that mean that since his dad beat him, he was never a victim to the stranger? Does that mean it never happened? LOLLL how can you say Palestinians aren't victims to Zionism.... your English seems good enough, so I don't expect you to not understand what I mean when I say that yes, the Palestinians have been fucked over by their own leadership at times, but does that mean they weren't victims to Zionism? You sound like one of those retards who say the Holocaust never happened. Your brain is being handled on super cycle.
Just for the record, I'm not American. In fact, some republicans even think I'm Anti-American, which I'm not really. I just see what I see and some things I see I don't like, no matter who's involved. Unlike most people, I don't try to argue for someone who's wrong because he somehow appeals to me (because of race, nation, religion, whatever) , but I try to see who's wrong and then argue against him.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 28, 2005, 04:11:48 AMThe Palestinian people ARE IN NO WAY VICTIMS OF ZIONISM- AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH....Damn, i needed that on a friday afternoon
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 28, 2005, 12:29:57 PMOk, let's say there's a kid and he gets his ass beat by some stranger on the street. Then he gets home and his dad beats him. So does that mean that since his dad beat him, he was never a victim to the stranger? Does that mean it never happened? LOLLL how can you say Palestinians aren't victims to Zionism.... your English seems good enough, so I don't expect you to not understand what I mean when I say that yes, the Palestinians have been fucked over by their own leadership at times, but does that mean they weren't victims to Zionism? You sound like one of those retards who say the Holocaust never happened. Your brain is being handled on super cycle.First of all I would like to thank you for quoting me in your signature, what an honor And now since I understand you are a fan of analogies I'll supply one myself:Let's say there is this kid and he gets abused by his dominating father (after his mother past away, giving birth to him, so he's all the father has), abused so badly he blocks it out completely and as he growes up he can't fully sustain his repression(in the psychological sence) so he becomes angry with everything and as the boy reaches puberty he meets people who figure out his problems and offer him help working out his issues but since the father is now old and can't support himself and can't afford his son leaving him or finding out the truth about his childhood so he uses the rooted control and deterrence he's established over his son through conditioning at an early age to setting him against his new friends claiming that they are hostile and are trying to break up their family while also trying to take away their house, at the same time, he hires assassins to kill his son's new friends, they fail, and when the son's new friends figure out who sent the assassins and that they're dealing with an old psychopath they call the police on him. The son seeing his "family" being taken apart just as his father warned him is becoming assured of the fact his new friends are ploting against him and his family so he decides to fight them. p.s I'm glad you've mentioned The Holocaust Deniers since the current leader of the Palestinian Autonomy is one.AGAIN, I've never denied innocents may have gotten hurt on the Palestinian side all I said was that the ones who caused it were those terrorist power structures whose number one goal is to hurt Israeli civilians, something they openly proclaim, along with the Palestinian leadership, otherwise the leaders would've eradicated terrorism within their authority themselves without coercing Israel to do so, they know Israel can't focus its foiling operations to an extent innocents won't get hurt. You keep ignoring everything that has been discussed up untill now, you're back to square one.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 28, 2005, 03:11:59 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 28, 2005, 12:29:57 PMOk, let's say there's a kid and he gets his ass beat by some stranger on the street. Then he gets home and his dad beats him. So does that mean that since his dad beat him, he was never a victim to the stranger? Does that mean it never happened? LOLLL how can you say Palestinians aren't victims to Zionism.... your English seems good enough, so I don't expect you to not understand what I mean when I say that yes, the Palestinians have been fucked over by their own leadership at times, but does that mean they weren't victims to Zionism? You sound like one of those retards who say the Holocaust never happened. Your brain is being handled on super cycle.First of all I would like to thank you for quoting me in your signature, what an honor And now since I understand you are a fan of analogies I'll supply one myself:Let's say there is this kid and he gets abused by his dominating father (after his mother past away, giving birth to him, so he's all the father has), abused so badly he blocks it out completely and as he growes up he can't fully sustain his repression(in the psychological sence) so he becomes angry with everything and as the boy reaches puberty he meets people who figure out his problems and offer him help working out his issues but since the father is now old and can't support himself and can't afford his son leaving him or finding out the truth about his childhood so he uses the rooted control and deterrence he's established over his son through conditioning at an early age to setting him against his new friends claiming that they are hostile and are trying to break up their family while also trying to take away their house, at the same time, he hires assassins to kill his son's new friends, they fail, and when the son's new friends figure out who sent the assassins and that they're dealing with an old psychopath they call the police on him. The son seeing his "family" being taken apart just as his father warned him is becoming assured of the fact his new friends are ploting against him and his family so he decides to fight them. p.s I'm glad you've mentioned The Holocaust Deniers since the current leader of the Palestinian Autonomy is one.AGAIN, I've never denied innocents may have gotten hurt on the Palestinian side all I said was that the ones who caused it were those terrorist power structures whose number one goal is to hurt Israeli civilians, something they openly proclaim, along with the Palestinian leadership, otherwise the leaders would've eradicated terrorism within their authority themselves without coercing Israel to do so, they know Israel can't focus its foiling operations to an extent innocents won't get hurt. You keep ignoring everything that has been discussed up untill now, you're back to square one.So Palestinians have been victims to Zionism/Israel... and the Palestinian leadership didn't make things any better... To me the IDF is a terrorist power structure... the state of Israel was founded on terrorism... Back to Square 1 it is... except this is where it stays... no second chances for you, you've been fucked up