Andrew Bynum...

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(10.67)   


This kids presence on the court already makes a big difference in the game...Already averaging a block a game in ONLY 4 MINUTES! At first, I was doubting the decision to pick him at 10, but looking at the picture now, Bynum WILL become something. He just turned 18 and looks less raw than Kwame Brown...Mark my words, he'll be big.

[7even]

He just turned 18 and looks less raw than Kwame Brown...

Maybe, but every medal has 2 sides 

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

He just turned 18 and looks less raw than Kwame Brown...

Maybe, but every medal has 2 sides 

This is not a thread to talk shit, but rather congratulate ones ability and accomplishments.

[acbaylove]

Andrew is still a 5-mins-per-game-player, not more. He has to learn everything about offence, about the triangle, about pick and rolls, about being more aggressive, about footwork, shot selection, etc.. but he has all the tools you can't coach: size, basketball IQ, intelligence, long arms, timing blocking shots, timing rebounding. Hopefully he'll learn all the other things with the right time. I'm very happy about this draft pick. I was happy about Turiaf too, but unfortunately he got problems.

He just turned 18 and looks less raw than Kwame Brown...

That's the reason why i consider Bynum an interesting project while i do consider Brown a bust. Brown has no basketball IQ, no intelligence, no timing. He misses the most important tools. You can coach him, Phil can coach him, Jabbar can coach him, but he'll never be a superstar.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Some people take longer to mature than others. It's even common sense. Kwame is 23. Most players come into the NBA at that age. So why do you expect him to understand the most complex offense after 8 games when he's not known to be a fast learner? Don't you feel that you're pre-judging and hating at least a little?...Some people are instantly great and some people never get it, but if you have that potential, there's always a way to reach it...Now stop the hating.

[7even]

Kwame Brown + failure gets you mad results in google


Here some post I googled within a few seconds.. just searching for Kwame+Brown+failure+bust, LOL, you get mad links.

Kwame Brown is unbelievably terrible... and the Lakers are trading for him.
Ask me who the best basketball team in Los Angeles is. Go ahead. Ask me. Yes, it's the Clippers. The Los Angeles Clippers. In one fell swoop, their signing of Cuttino Mobley yesterday vaulted the Clips to the top of the city and made them a viable playoff team while dealing perhaps irrepairable damage to the Lakers. I mean, seriously f'd 'em. How? Well, signing free agent sharp shooter Mobley meant Washington had to go looking elsewhere for a replacement for Larry Hughes. Which means Washington wouldn't be asking for Caron Butler if Mobley was still on the table. According to a Wizards source, that was the stipulation. But Mobley is with the Clips, so now the Lakers are taking on the complete and utter garbage that is Kwame Brown. I think I might kill someone.

Say it ain't so, Phil. Say it ain't so. Ah, but it seems it is so -- that the Lakers are making yet another blunder. I don't want to hear about how Kwame needs a change of scenery or that he's only 23. The facts are: He's a headcase. He's SOFT. He sucks! And he sure as hell won't pan out like Jermaine O'Neal did.

Phil has his work cut out for him here. Especially if Kwame - perhaps a bigger bust than Michael Olowakandi - can't take the heat from Kobe who is known for being tough on his teammates when they slack (It's what leaders do). Why didn't the Lakers deal Caron for somebody worth a damn? I would've been happy with a Stromile Swift or a Jamaal Magloire. Butler actually has worth. He's a good player! But to settle for this? This? This is a joke, right?

But why shit all over Kwame? Well, in his defense, he never should've been drafted number one overall in 2001 to begin with. He was a product of the big hype machine and leading up to the 2001 draft, a high school kid that everyone had convinced themselves (almost sight unseen - at least Olowakandi played in the NCAA tournament) had to be the #1 pick, no exceptions. Michael Jordan and the Washington braintrust, complete and utter idiots that they are, thought he was a slam dunk to become the next great star. Then Jordan called him a "flaming faggot" (I'm not even kidding) during his rookie season and the bust - the collosal failure - was born. So, a product of hype, Kwame never should've been the #1 pick in the first place and those expectations were thrust upon him, perhaps unfairly. However, there had to have been a reason for all that hype, right? Regardless, whether he was picked 1st or 5th, everyone is justified in calling Brown a giant disappointment. To think that Kwame will be rid of those expectations of having to live up to being a #1 pick once he arrives in LA is somewhat, but not altogether true. You have a whole new set of expectations when you put on a Laker uniform. This is a franchise where winning isn't just expected, it's demanded. Especially when you've been touted to have as much talent as Brown and when the Lakers gave up two quality starters to get him. A whole new set of problems, right there.

Lakers are bombing at every turn since after since hiring Phil Jackson (how ironic). Caron Butler never exactly had a place on the team and his future in LA was in doubt since the time of his arrival, but surely you could get more for him than this. I'd be happy to see Devean George's contract unloaded, but it's more likely that Chucky Atkins will be the second player thrown in the trade. From a talent persective, that is ludicrous, but I can only assume that Chucky's name is on the table A) because the Lakers are severely handicapped financially and need to dump salary and B) he doesn't jive with Kobe (that second part is actually true - not just a conspiracy theory). Who knows what the free'd up cash can get them. Second year Slovenian Sasha Vujacic looks likely to be the man who would steps in at point guard, but is he ready? Questionable. And what the hell is Slava "Useless" Medvedenko still doing on the bloody roster! Jettison that bag of shit, already!

I expect Vlade Divac will retire before the season starts, but in all honesty, at this stage of the game, I feel far more comfortable with Mihm in the starting lineup than Brown. I also don't believe Brown has proven that he can play center in this league, especially in the West. Hell, I feel more comfortable starting rookie Ronny Turiaf at power forward than I do Brown. Turiaf played four solid years of college basketball. The guy is tested and ready. Meanwhile, Kwame has played four years in the NBA and he's more unfocused and fragile now than ever before. He is a bench player at best. If Phil whips him into shape mentally (and he is certainly capable of that), maybe he becomes a regular starter. One thing this kid is not? An All-Star. And here's the fundamental difference between him and MVP contender Jermaine O'Neal: When he was young and in Portland, O'Neal had to play behind Brian Grant and Rasheed Wallace most of the time. The Wizards never had the big man depth that the Blazers had in the late 90s. Kwame, on the other hand, did have the chance time and time and time again to show what he's all about and he whined and pouted and missed practices. When O'Neal was finally given the oppurtunity by getting traded to Indiana, he showed up to the moment.

God, I hope the Lakers have another move planned, because the roster looks worse now than it did last season at any point last season - injuries or not. Yay. We've added a project (Andrew "Desagana" Bynum) and a selfish bust while getting rid of a quality scorer and a servicable point guard. Go team.

No question Washington comes out looking great on this one. I think Butler won't have any trouble filling the scoring void left by Larry Hughes who defected to Cleveland, but Butler's defense compared to Hughes is desperately lacking.

What the hell, Lakers? What the hell? You're getting worse by the day.



Let's make a collection of the funniest Kwame Bust disses all over google.

[Javier]

...and this is why Lebron is a special player

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Kwame Brown + failure gets you mad results in google


Here some post I googled within a few seconds.. just searching for Kwame+Brown+failure+bust, LOL, you get mad links.

Kwame Brown is unbelievably terrible... and the Lakers are trading for him.
Ask me who the best basketball team in Los Angeles is. Go ahead. Ask me. Yes, it's the Clippers. The Los Angeles Clippers. In one fell swoop, their signing of Cuttino Mobley yesterday vaulted the Clips to the top of the city and made them a viable playoff team while dealing perhaps irrepairable damage to the Lakers. I mean, seriously f'd 'em. How? Well, signing free agent sharp shooter Mobley meant Washington had to go looking elsewhere for a replacement for Larry Hughes. Which means Washington wouldn't be asking for Caron Butler if Mobley was still on the table. According to a Wizards source, that was the stipulation. But Mobley is with the Clips, so now the Lakers are taking on the complete and utter garbage that is Kwame Brown. I think I might kill someone.

Say it ain't so, Phil. Say it ain't so. Ah, but it seems it is so -- that the Lakers are making yet another blunder. I don't want to hear about how Kwame needs a change of scenery or that he's only 23. The facts are: He's a headcase. He's SOFT. He sucks! And he sure as hell won't pan out like Jermaine O'Neal did.

Phil has his work cut out for him here. Especially if Kwame - perhaps a bigger bust than Michael Olowakandi - can't take the heat from Kobe who is known for being tough on his teammates when they slack (It's what leaders do). Why didn't the Lakers deal Caron for somebody worth a damn? I would've been happy with a Stromile Swift or a Jamaal Magloire. Butler actually has worth. He's a good player! But to settle for this? This? This is a joke, right?

But why shit all over Kwame? Well, in his defense, he never should've been drafted number one overall in 2001 to begin with. He was a product of the big hype machine and leading up to the 2001 draft, a high school kid that everyone had convinced themselves (almost sight unseen - at least Olowakandi played in the NCAA tournament) had to be the #1 pick, no exceptions. Michael Jordan and the Washington braintrust, complete and utter idiots that they are, thought he was a slam dunk to become the next great star. Then Jordan called him a "flaming faggot" (I'm not even kidding) during his rookie season and the bust - the collosal failure - was born. So, a product of hype, Kwame never should've been the #1 pick in the first place and those expectations were thrust upon him, perhaps unfairly. However, there had to have been a reason for all that hype, right? Regardless, whether he was picked 1st or 5th, everyone is justified in calling Brown a giant disappointment. To think that Kwame will be rid of those expectations of having to live up to being a #1 pick once he arrives in LA is somewhat, but not altogether true. You have a whole new set of expectations when you put on a Laker uniform. This is a franchise where winning isn't just expected, it's demanded. Especially when you've been touted to have as much talent as Brown and when the Lakers gave up two quality starters to get him. A whole new set of problems, right there.

Lakers are bombing at every turn since after since hiring Phil Jackson (how ironic). Caron Butler never exactly had a place on the team and his future in LA was in doubt since the time of his arrival, but surely you could get more for him than this. I'd be happy to see Devean George's contract unloaded, but it's more likely that Chucky Atkins will be the second player thrown in the trade. From a talent persective, that is ludicrous, but I can only assume that Chucky's name is on the table A) because the Lakers are severely handicapped financially and need to dump salary and B) he doesn't jive with Kobe (that second part is actually true - not just a conspiracy theory). Who knows what the free'd up cash can get them. Second year Slovenian Sasha Vujacic looks likely to be the man who would steps in at point guard, but is he ready? Questionable. And what the hell is Slava "Useless" Medvedenko still doing on the bloody roster! Jettison that bag of shit, already!

I expect Vlade Divac will retire before the season starts, but in all honesty, at this stage of the game, I feel far more comfortable with Mihm in the starting lineup than Brown. I also don't believe Brown has proven that he can play center in this league, especially in the West. Hell, I feel more comfortable starting rookie Ronny Turiaf at power forward than I do Brown. Turiaf played four solid years of college basketball. The guy is tested and ready. Meanwhile, Kwame has played four years in the NBA and he's more unfocused and fragile now than ever before. He is a bench player at best. If Phil whips him into shape mentally (and he is certainly capable of that), maybe he becomes a regular starter. One thing this kid is not? An All-Star. And here's the fundamental difference between him and MVP contender Jermaine O'Neal: When he was young and in Portland, O'Neal had to play behind Brian Grant and Rasheed Wallace most of the time. The Wizards never had the big man depth that the Blazers had in the late 90s. Kwame, on the other hand, did have the chance time and time and time again to show what he's all about and he whined and pouted and missed practices. When O'Neal was finally given the oppurtunity by getting traded to Indiana, he showed up to the moment.

God, I hope the Lakers have another move planned, because the roster looks worse now than it did last season at any point last season - injuries or not. Yay. We've added a project (Andrew "Desagana" Bynum) and a selfish bust while getting rid of a quality scorer and a servicable point guard. Go team.

No question Washington comes out looking great on this one. I think Butler won't have any trouble filling the scoring void left by Larry Hughes who defected to Cleveland, but Butler's defense compared to Hughes is desperately lacking.

What the hell, Lakers? What the hell? You're getting worse by the day.



Let's make a collection of the funniest Kwame Bust disses all over google.

Yes! Lets gather all the Laker fans on WCC and put a good amount of time and effort into hating on Kwame Brown and belittling his name!...LOL. Get off his nuts. He obviously hasn't met expectations, what else are you trying to point out? All those people are just stipulating and saying he will never develop, which is purely opinion...PeACE

[acbaylove]

Some people take longer to mature than others. It's even common sense. Kwame is 23. Most players come into the NBA at that age. So why do you expect him to understand the most complex offense after 8 games when he's not known to be a fast learner? Don't you feel that you're pre-judging and hating at least a little?

Coming from the guy who made a topic about Bynum being the #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (10.67) when he has just collected 27 minutes of playing time and 6 blocks..

...Some people are instantly great and some people never get it, but if you have that potential, there's always a way to reach it...Now stop the hating.

Like i said some things aren't coachable. And Kwame misses them. Plus the age is just an excuse. We're talking about a player with 5,961 minutes played in the NBA. 261 games. It's already a pretty good career. And he has showed no improvement since his first rookie year. Is it cause he's too young? Fuck that bullshit. Just to make you an example of what i do consider a very promising PF/C, Chris Bosh is 2 years younger and he's averaging 19 points and 11 rebounds per game. Ok, he's playing 40 minutes per game, but it's because he's worth them while Kwame ain't. It's not about age. Gasol is a class '80, Kirilenko is '81. Boozer is '81. Okafor is '82 like Kwame, Chandler is '82, Nenè is '82, Yao Ming is '80, Elton Brand is '79, Kaman is '82, Haslem is '80, Bogut is '84, Kristic is '83, Howard is '85, and i can go on and on with the list. THOSE are what i consider good projects. With them you can build something. But Kwame is just a waste of money (5m per year), time (2 years) and players (Butler + Atkins). He's a B-U-S-T. Game over.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Some people take longer to mature than others. It's even common sense. Kwame is 23. Most players come into the NBA at that age. So why do you expect him to understand the most complex offense after 8 games when he's not known to be a fast learner? Don't you feel that you're pre-judging and hating at least a little?

Coming from the guy who made a topic about Bynum being the #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (10.67) when he has just collected 27 minutes of playing time and 6 blocks..

Are you dumb? Wow, seriously. I'm not pre-judging him. I just said that he's shown us a lot in the little time he's had on the court and that I expect him to become something. You are simply just a Laker hater and a known pessimist. Last two games, he came in for about 5 minutes and picked up two quick and perfectly timed blocks within five minutes (both times)...I was pointing out that his presence on the court so far has changed the outlook of the game. You fucking hater...

Like i said some things aren't coachable. And Kwame misses them. Plus the age is just an excuse. We're talking about a player with 5,961 minutes played in the NBA. 261 games. It's already a pretty good career. And he has showed no improvement since his first rookie year. Is it cause he's too young? Fuck that bullshit. Just to make you an example of what i do consider a very promising PF/C, Chris Bosh is 2 years younger and he's averaging 19 points and 11 rebounds per game. Ok, he's playing 40 minutes per game, but it's because he's worth them while Kwame ain't. It's not about age. Gasol is a class '80, Kirilenko is '81. Boozer is '81. Okafor is '82 like Kwame, Chandler is '82, Nenè is '82, Yao Ming is '80, Elton Brand is '79, Kaman is '82, Haslem is '80, Bogut is '84, Kristic is '83, Howard is '85, and i can go on and on with the list. THOSE are what i consider good projects. With them you can build something. But Kwame is just a waste of money (5m per year), time (2 years) and players (Butler + Atkins). He's a B-U-S-T. Game over.

You're right, Kwame's NEVER improved since his rookie year, even though he went from a 4/4 rookie season to a 11/8 season 2 years later. Shut the fuck up now, you've proven that you don't know what you're talking about...

[WestCoasta]

yeah, just give him time, he'll be good

you can't expect anything too soon, we're all older than this dude 

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Keepin' it up! He had 4 blocks last night, but was only credited for 2 in the box score...Then he took responsibilty for a loss, which should be handled by the vets...

Bynum then had an opportunity to give the Lakers the lead, but his shot was blocked by Chandler:
"That was just my own stupidity," Bynum said (of the matter). "I had a bunch of moves I should have made, but I just tried to go up real quick. I should have either gone up with a left-handed hook or a pump-fake there and took a dribble. But I just tried to rush it up and it got blocked."



Future is lookin' great!

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Can't one topic about the lakers go without a Kwame Brown arguement?
As for Bynum, he is a good player, and I think he should get more minutes behind Mihm. The front court is thin with injuries, so maybe he will.

[Juronimo]

I like what I've seen out of Bynum so far. He has good instincts. He needs to work on his defensive positioning. He gets moved around too easily for a player his size but that's something he should be able to fix with time.

In a couple of years he will be a defensive force and hopefully Kareem's influence will help his extremely raw offensive game.

I hope Phil plays him more and give him time to develop. This team is a work in progress so might as well get him some playing time so he can improve.

[acbaylove]

Bynum is looking damn good.