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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 28, 2005, 11:53:29 AM ---I could pull up websites that say the Holocaust never happened
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Why when you can simply quote Abu Mazen the current Palestinian leader expressing his opinion on the Holocaust.
As for your question: again you keep ignoring the FACT :
Palestinian Refugees
About 600,000 Palestinian (other estimates range form 500,000 to 800,0000) fled Israel between 1947 and 1949, fundamentally because of the Arab states' rejection of the United Nation partition plan and invasion of Israel. The refugees fled out of fear of war and in response to Arab leaders' calls for Arabs to evacuate the areas allocated to the Jews until Israel had been eliminated. In a handful of cases, Palestinians were expelled. A majority of the refugees and their descendants now live in the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and the West Bank. About 360,000 Palestinians fled eastern Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights during and after Israel's defensive 1967 War. Palestinian who fled in 1967 are technically considered displaced persons and do not have official refugee status. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency estimated that 175,000 of these 360,000 Palestinians were refugees from the 1948 War. The May 4, 1994, Gaza-Jericho Accord calls for Israel, the Palestinians, Jordan, and Egypt to form a Continuing Committee to discuss the 1967 displaced persons. The problem of the 1947-1949 refugees, on the other hand, is to be left for the "final status" negotiations under the terms of the Israeli-PLO Declaration of Principles of September 13, 1993.
And since you're such a fighter for justice compare it to these causes, figures and circumstances:
Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands
Prior to the establishment of Israel, more than 850,000 Jews lived in Arab countries. After Israel achieved independence, many of these Jews were persecuted by their governments and compelled to leave, despite having lived in some of their communities for more than 2,500 years. Between 1948 and 1972, 820,000 Jews left Arab countries, 586,000 were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions.
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 27, 2005, 08:27:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 26, 2005, 04:17:00 AM ---
"There are already two "Palestinian' states: Israel and Jordan. What is being suggested is a third Palestinian state," Palazzi said.
Palazzi said a "Palestinian" people has never existed in history. Before 1967, the Arabs in the West Bank were Jordanians and those in Gaza were Egyptians, he said. Arafat himself, Palazzi claims, is really an Egyptian.
"The Palestinian people have been scapegoats to justify everything that is wrong in the Arab world,"
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To begin with? I think you should take another look at some of the facts Sheikh Palazzi is stating.^^^I've even quoted some of them for you.
Israel has the basic right to defend itself from factors undermining its existence( And now for the challenged among us: If such factors didn't exist, Israel would have no need to realize its right of self-defence.)
--- Quote ---He accuses "pseudo-Islamic" organizations, like Hamas, of cruelly exploiting the impoverished in *refugee camps. "Unfortunately, it is true that their only opportunity for a better future lies in sacrificing their children as suicide bombers, for which they will be paid by these organizations."
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*Palestinian Refugees
About 600,000 Palestinian (other estimates range form 500,000 to 800,0000) fled Israel between 1947 and 1949, fundamentally because of the Arab states' rejection of the United Nation partition plan and invasion of Israel. The refugees fled out of fear of war and in response to Arab leaders' calls for Arabs to evacuate the areas allocated to the Jews until Israel had been eliminated. In a handful of cases, Palestinians were expelled. A majority of the refugees and their descendants now live in the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and the West Bank. About 360,000 Palestinians fled eastern Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights during and after Israel's defensive 1967 War. Palestinian who fled in 1967 are technically considered displaced persons and do not have official refugee status. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency estimated that 175,000 of these 360,000 Palestinians were refugees from the 1948 War. The May 4, 1994, Gaza-Jericho Accord calls for Israel, the Palestinians, Jordan, and Egypt to form a Continuing Committee to discuss the 1967 displaced persons. The problem of the 1947-1949 refugees, on the other hand, is to be left for the "final status" negotiations under the terms of the Israeli-PLO Declaration of Principles of September 13, 1993.
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I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 28, 2005, 12:05:13 PM ---So you don't agree with the UN when it comes to resolutions... but you do when it comes to allowing Zionists to keep the land they stole?
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I could say something like this to you (being that you've evaded the question each time I asked you as for the way in which you view the UN) in fact!
So you agree with the UN when it comes to these resolutions but you think Israel(UN's decision) should've never existed to begin with!
I ,on the other hand,have never expressed my support or lack of support toward the UN,neither did I use its resolutions as an approval for my argument like you did,since I believe the UN(in it's current format) to be a futile institution for as long as it allowes totalitarian regimes to take part in democratic votes on global issues, which is straight up hypocrisy, why don't they let Bin Laden be a member of the Security Council.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 28, 2005, 12:47:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on November 28, 2005, 12:05:13 PM ---So you don't agree with the UN when it comes to resolutions... but you do when it comes to allowing Zionists to keep the land they stole?
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I could say something like this to you (being that you've evaded the question each time I asked you as for the way in which you view the UN) in fact!
So you agree with the UN when it comes to these resolutions but you think Israel(UN's decision) should've never existed to begin with!
I ,on the other hand,have never expressed my support or lack of support toward the UN,neither did I use its resolutions as an approval for my argument like you did,since I believe the UN(in it's current format) to be a futile institution for as long as it allowes totalitarian regimes to take part in democratic votes on global issues, which is straight up hypocrisy, why don't they let Bin Laden be a member of the Security Council.
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These totalitarian regimes are supported by the same government that supports Israel... the U.S....
And you still haven't answered the questions... LOL.. didn't expect you to, but at least we now both know the truth :)
I'm glad you're finally able to see the truth, even if you don't want to admit it.. at least I've shown you, son.
"A Land without a People for a People without a Land" ... hilarious
I TO DA GEEZY:
How to approach a person that is defending a pattern despite every bit of logic he's being confronted with:
PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
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The Fate of Palestinian Moderates
Arafat's thugs don't murder only Jews.
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
--- Quote ---Emir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:
The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added).
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
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Emir Faisal, son of Sherif Hussein, the leader of the Arab revolt against the Turks, signed an agreement with Chaim Weizmann and other Zionist leaders during the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. It acknowledged the "racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people" and concluded that "the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab states and Palestine." Furthermore, the agreement looked to the fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration and called for all necessary measures "...to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil."22
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
--- Quote ---In 1921, Haj Amin el-Husseini first began to organize fedayeen ("one who sacrifices himself") to terrorize Jews. Haj Amin hoped to duplicate the success of Kemal Atatürk in Turkey by driving the Jews out of Palestine just as Kemal had driven the invading Greeks from his country.31 Arab radicals were able to gain influence because the British Administration was unwilling to take effective action against them until they finally revolted against British rule.
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Let's add your question to the mix as well:
--- Quote ---Who is the occupier and who is the occupied?
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
--- Quote ---As the spokesman for Palestinian Arabs, Haj Amin did not ask that Britain grant them independence. On the contrary, in a letter to Churchill in 1921, he demanded that Palestine be reunited with Syria and Transjordan.
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and let's also add Sheikh Palazzi:
--- Quote ---Before 1967, the Arabs in the West Bank were Jordanians and those in Gaza were Egyptians
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so who was who:
--- Quote ---Who is the occupier and who is the occupied?
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
--- Quote --- Haj Amin consolidated his power and took control of all Muslim religious funds in Palestine. He used his authority to gain control over the mosques, the schools and the courts. No Arab could reach an influential position without being loyal to the Mufti. His power was so absolute "no Muslim in Palestine could be born or die without being beholden to Haj Amin."35 The Mufti's henchmen also insured he would have no opposition by systematically killing Palestinians from rival clans who were discussing cooperation with the Jews.
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PALESTINIANS ARE VICTIMS OF ZIONISM:
--- Quote ---The Arabs found rioting to be an effective political tool because of the lax British attitude and response toward violence against Jews. In handling each riot, the British did everything in their power to prevent Jews from protecting themselves, but made little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking them. After each outbreak, a British commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the violence. The conclusion was always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jews. To stop the rioting, the commissions would recommend that restrictions be placed on Jewish immigration. Thus, the Arabs came to recognize that they could always stop the influx of Jews by staging a riot.
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