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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 02, 2005, 03:02:55 AM ---Did you purposely omit:
"he called for the transfer of Arabs from EretzIsrael to neighboring Arab states"
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No, you're right he did due to the Balfour Declaration, but at that time he was no longer a part of the Zionist movement ;)
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 02, 2005, 03:02:55 AM ---Did you purposely omit:
"he called for the transfer of Arabs from EretzIsrael to neighboring Arab states"
it's a fact that there WERE people on this land, and that they weren't A PEOPLE untill the Zionist movement came.
The first part is sufficient in explaining the injustice.
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The second part is sufficient in explaining the ploy which you choose to ignore.
you haven't explained your position on this(I wonder why...lol):
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 02, 2005, 12:06:10 AM ---If Palestinian Arabs were so much against colonialism why didn't they proclaim their nationalism throughout the mandates? Don't you find it wierd that some have decided to oppose Zionism
when they didn't mind powerfull empires oppressing them? Don't you realize that the only chance for Palestinian Arabs to achieve national goals was the Zionist movement (they didn't even see themselves as a nation prior to Zionism)?Familiar with the term "Political hitchhiking"-What pushed them from being passive beholders at the mandates to seeking self-determination(Due to which active force?)? Do you understand now the whole- Zionism as "a companion to the Arab nationalist movement"- thing? In other words, those who chose to oppose Zionism were the ones who first used the Zionist movement to proclaim their 'national goals' and the ones that wanted to get rid of it as soon as the Zionists could obstruct the annexation of the land to the rest of the Arab world.
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J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 02, 2005, 05:38:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 02, 2005, 03:02:55 AM ---Did you purposely omit:
"he called for the transfer of Arabs from EretzIsrael to neighboring Arab states"
it's a fact that there WERE people on this land, and that they weren't A PEOPLE untill the Zionist movement came.
The first part is sufficient in explaining the injustice.
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The second part is sufficient in explaining the ploy which you choose to ignore.
Actually, the second part is only what justifies an injustice in your eyes... not even the people who committed these injustices are in denial to the extent that you are. It's kinda sad how brainwashed or dumb you are.
you haven't explained your position on this(I wonder why...lol):
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 02, 2005, 12:06:10 AM ---If Palestinian Arabs were so much against colonialism why didn't they proclaim their nationalism throughout the mandates? Don't you find it wierd that some have decided to oppose Zionism
when they didn't mind powerfull empires oppressing them? Don't you realize that the only chance for Palestinian Arabs to achieve national goals was the Zionist movement (they didn't even see themselves as a nation prior to Zionism)?Familiar with the term "Political hitchhiking"-What pushed them from being passive beholders at the mandates to seeking self-determination(Due to which active force?)? Do you understand now the whole- Zionism as "a companion to the Arab nationalist movement"- thing? In other words, those who chose to oppose Zionism were the ones who first used the Zionist movement to proclaim their 'national goals' and the ones that wanted to get rid of it as soon as the Zionists could obstruct the annexation of the land to the rest of the Arab world.
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The indigenous habitants of Palestine (not your European ancestors) did resist Zionist settlement policies from the start, but the resistance was mainly defensive, and there were no political goals. You have to understand that there were no nations... there's nothing that made the inhabitants of Palestine different from the other Arabs... the British and French just drew lines on a map. Trans-Jordan was created because the British wanted to appease Amir Abdallah who was threatening to attack the French. Draw a fucking line.. and Palestine is divided into Palestine and Trans-Jordan. There was no Jordanian nationalism.
Anyways, Jewish immigration to Palestine began way before the Balfour Declaration... they were trying to install a settler-plantation colony in Palestine at first. The indigenous inhabitants of Palestine (aka not your European ancestors... the people who actually lived on the land before the Zionists' colonialism) did resist Zionist settlements from the start, and yes, they didn't have any political goals. The Palestinian community wasn't organized or unified... but there had been no need because they were citizens of the Ottoman Empire. The Zionists embraced the mandates system, the Arabs didn't... so they didn't organize themselves in a way to take advantage of the mandate. Now you have to understand this very important point... the emergence of identity and nationalism was different in Palestine than it was in the other mandates. Zionist settlement was different from the imperialism that the Syrians and Iraqis faced. The British and French ruled their mandates territories indirectly and didn't steal land. Yeah, Palestinian nationalism therefore developed later than Zionism, and was in response to Zionist immigration and colonization... but does that make Palestinian nationalism any less legitimate? Zionism arose in reaction to anti-Semitic and nationalist movements in Europe... just in the same way that Palestinian nationalism arose in reaction to Zionism... there's a difference though. There were expulsions and other Palestinians were deliberately frightened into leaving (Zionist terrorism... I know I'm using two synonyms in a row here..) example: Dayr Yassin. Zionist leaders have admitted that it was in their aim to remove the Palestinians, and take over. They have also admitted to force being vital. I won't even charge you for this lesson... I'm starting to look at youthe way a father would at his dumb son.
However you want to put it.. and look at it from a historic perspective... there's no way to defend denying the Palestinian people the right to return. And you honestly have to be retarded... I mean that literally... to actually believe that Zionism hasn't victimized Palestinians in any way. I'm not gonna respond anymore because you're no better than people who deny the Holocaust and I'll leave you with: You're a tool, and I pity you.
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I TO DA GEEZY:
In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.
The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East.
So you think Jews should've stayed in Europe I suppose? How many anti-semitic progroms could they have endured? how many holocausts?
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 02, 2005, 12:42:49 PM ---In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.
LMFAO. Please tell me you're joking and really aren't this dumb. The majority of the people in Palestine were still non-Jewish Arabs. That's fact. I honestly can't tell anymore if you're brainwashed, dumb or just str8 up retarded.
The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".
Yes, there was a small population of indigenous Jewish people there. What does that have to do with Zionist colonialism?
It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria
LOOOLLLLLLL... "re-inhabited" "HISTORIC HOMELAND"... the fact that you even mention that in an argument is laughable... what claim do European Jews have to that land? Reinhabited? When did European Jews live there? God gave it to them thousands of years ago? Whose ancestors lived there and how long ago? Please keep the bullshit out.
,that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide.
Myth? So when the mandates were split up.. and one was called Trans-Jordan and the other Palestine... you have Jordanians and guess what... Palestinians.. referring to the indigenous population... not Europeans.
Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East.
Jews came from Judea? Yeah... and there were Jews among the indigenous population... again, what does this have to do with Europeans? No shit there hasn't been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians... there wasn't an Iraq, Syria, Jordan, or Lebanon either... Palestinians are just like all other Arabs... and they were living on that land... what's your point? That they should've left and given up the land to the Jewish colonizers?
So you think Jews should've stayed in Europe I suppose? How many anti-semitic progroms could they have endured? how many holocausts?
What does my opinion have to do with it? I have nothing to do with this, and like I've said before... unlike you, I deal with facts... not bullshit opinions. For example... Palestinians have been victims of Zionism. If you believe otherwise, then prove to me that there wasn't a diaspora of the Palestinian population. Prove to me that no Zionist terrorists have burned down Palestinian villages. Because I can prove those things...Like your own leaders have said... yeah the holocaust happened, but what does that have to do with the Palestinians? All I'm pointing out is the injustice. I can't change what happened... nor do I have an opinion on what should've happened... all I'm saying is that what did happen was unjust... and the injustice continues today...
Anyways, I'm way above your level... and you really don't even deserve to be having a conversation with me. You're lacking knowledge.. and by knowledge I mean truthful knowledge. It's understandable though.. you live in Israel... the state founded on propaganda.
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