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EU slams Israel for its policies in East Jerusalem
J @ M @ L:
you have every reason to feel bad now so go ahead.. feel free to
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 02, 2005, 01:21:30 AM ---LOL.. you fall into traps too easily...
do some research on Israel Zangwill. :)
hint: google his name along with the phrase "land without people for a people without a land"
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Double trap my friend
;D...
check this out:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on November 29, 2005, 06:56:21 AM ---While writing Judenstaat Herzel knew very little about the situation in Eretz Yisrael or the already active Zionist movement in Europe, it's a fact. A utopian novelist, a spokesman for Zionism, but he never had any practical impact on the Zionist activity in Eretz Yisrael.Herzel wasn't the founder of Zionism(talking about lies). On this note, the writer of this article could've talked about "Altneuland" an enlightened society Herzel envisioned in the future Jewish state where all religions lived side by side in harmony but that wouldn't have served the writer's needs as well .
and as for his followers:
"Land with no people"- Land that did not belong to a people
not a land without people( as in Human Beings, persons) living on it.
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You honestly think, that like you, I need google to debate? There are things I know, and you've just proven this is the first time you hear of Israel Zangwill.
J @ M @ L:
1. I don't know if you're blind, or if you can't read... but I stated that Herzl was one of the forerunners in the mobilization and formal organization of the Zionist movement.
2. "Land with no people"- Land that did not belong to a people.
Is that your assumption? And even if it is, does that make it right in any way? All you're saying to me is, "it was injust in a different way". Injustice is injustice. People were living there... Zionist terrorism was one of the factors that drove them out... the people that left are NOT ALLOWED TO RETURN. Do Israelis know anything about International Law?
3. Did you overlook this?
Achad Ha-Am: "Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty;
nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and
buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this.
Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not
already cultivated." (1891)
4. You don't need google, you need to educate yourself and then stop lying to yourself.
5. How did I prove that I haven't heard of Israel Zangwill? LOL so you don't need google... you need assumptions?
you're right... double-trap.. you fell into 2 in a row.
I TO DA GEEZY:
Israel Zangwill FYI: Supported Herzl's Uganda plan and following its rejection, led the Territorialists out of the Zionist organization in 1905. He established the Jewish Territorialists Organization (ITO) whose object was to acquire a Jewish homeland where possible(Not necessarily in Eretz Yisrael\Palestine).
And as for his "Land without people..."(- the ambiguity of this statement reinforced a misconception, the existence of which, both Echad Haam and Herzel confirmed prior to it, something that proves some people believed, in fact, there weren't any people on this land-) it's a fact that there WERE people on this land, and that they weren't A PEOPLE untill the Zionist movement came.
J @ M @ L:
Did you purposely omit:
"he called for the transfer of Arabs from EretzIsrael to neighboring Arab states"
it's a fact that there WERE people on this land, and that they weren't A PEOPLE untill the Zionist movement came.
The first part is sufficient in explaining the injustice. Thank You for that.. I don't even need to say anything... I should just keep letting you do the talking and prove my point for me.
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