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President of Iran says Israel should be moved to Europe.....
I TO DA GEEZY:
Funny that you don't see what persecution of Jews has to do with the need in a Jewish sovereign state. Maybe you should read Mein Kampf.
And I'll put it like this, most Jews are descendants of those who were exiled from this land, due to the religious wedding laws of the Halacha- as you know secularization among Jews is relatively a modern history phenomenon and even those who did become secular(last few centuries) couldn't really blend well in an anti-semite environment.
One way or another, Jews are among the best preserved ancient peoples, both due to anti-semitism and due to the religious laws that didn't allow non-Jewish wedding.
This is only the traditional aspect, don't forget that there is a practical aspect:Jews without national home equal extinction(holocaust)..... Arabs weren't threatened with extinction and they had a number of national homes by the time Israel was created, plus, the people who founded Israel agreed to yet another Arab state(on the territory they were hoping to have) while showing great sensitivity to the fact land was naturally being inhabited, especially such a central region.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 18, 2005, 01:19:58 PM ---1.most Jews are descendants of those who were exiled from this land,
2. Arabs weren't threatened with extinction and they had a number of national homes by the time Israel was created, plus, the people who founded Israel agreed to yet another Arab state(on the territory they were hoping to have) while showing great sensitivity to the fact land was naturally being inhabited, especially such a central region.
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1. Is that fact, or a conclusion you have reached? If you still don't know the difference, then go find out before you answer.
2. So what? So just because the Arabs weren't persecuted means the Zionists had a claim to their land? Great sensitivity to the fact that the land was naturally being inhabited? LOLLLLL please tell me this is a joke... I feel like I'm talking to a brick-wall, but at least a wall has a purpose
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 18, 2005, 02:27:59 PM --- Is that fact, or a conclusion you have reached?
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It is a fact, and one that you need to know in order to debate on this matter.
Zionists had a claim to the land because Jews were persecuted-like you've inferred, if a Jewish State was to be placed at a diffferent location it would cause similar repercussions only that any other location would raise the question of entitlement to the land to an even higher bar(This means you simply oppose the idea of Jewish state anywhere), being that Jews essentially come from Judea as you know. The fact of the Arab People having a number of national homes by the time Israel was created showes Zionism was in no way a threat to the Arab People however it was somewhat of a threat to the Arab Leaderships along the Arab world and their liaisons within Eretz Yisrael, making their political claim to the land merely a ploy also due to the reason of the "indigenous Arab population" in the land undergoing massive European colonization throughout centuries without any opposition.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on December 19, 2005, 09:23:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 18, 2005, 02:27:59 PM --- Is that fact, or a conclusion you have reached?
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It is a fact, and one that you need to know in order to debate on this matter.
Zionists had a claim to the land because Jews were persecuted-like you've inferred, if a Jewish State was to be placed at a diffferent location it would cause similar repercussions only that any other location would raise the question of entitlement to the land to an even higher bar(This means you simply oppose the idea of Jewish state anywhere), being that Jews essentially come from Judea as you know. The fact of the Arab People having a number of national homes by the time Israel was created showes Zionism was in no way a threat to the Arab People however it was somewhat of a threat to the Arab Leaderships along the Arab world and their liaisons within Eretz Yisrael, making their political claim to the land merely a ploy also due to the reason of the "indigenous Arab population" in the land undergoing massive European colonization throughout centuries without any opposition.
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It was a threat to the indigenous population, today known as Palestinians. You can't make an argument saying "all Arabs are the same" and that these people had so many countries to go to.
Also, if you claim that all Jews are descendants of the same Jews who were sent into exile, then prove it. Are the Ethoipian Jews, the Chinese Jew in my class, you, and every other Jew descendant of the same group of people... and no Jews have since the exile been converts? You're really digging for straws. You lost the argument. European Jews have no claim to a certain land based on their religion.. if that were the case, then Arab Muslims should be entitled to their own country in Spain... it's nonsense.
King Tech Quadafi:
Its because we Muslims are sub human to the Jew....all the pussies talkin that dhimmi talk need to take a look at how Gods people view Goyims
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