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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Meho on June 07, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
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1. Cold Wind Blows
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe
3. On Fire
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. Pink
5. W.T.P.
6. Going Through Changes
7. Not Afraid
8. Seduction
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne
10. Space Bound
11. Cinderella Man
12. 25 to Life
13. So Bad
14. Almost Famous
15. Love the Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna
16. You’re Never Over
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1. Cold Wind Blows - Lyrically on point, great hook, and Just Blaze gives us a great beatto kick start this album, sign of things to come? 4/5
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe - The beat sound like a mess, too many things going on here. This song gets tiring to listen to after the 2nd verse. 2.5/5
3. On Fire - Short and sweet, but maybe overly simply. 3/5
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. Pink - Simply horrid, sorry attempt at a pop anthem track, this track should be called W.T.P. - 1/5
5. W.T.P. - I feel like I've heard this track 100x before from Slim. Pass. 2/5
6. Going Through Changes - Lame attempt at emotional song, too dependent at the sample used in the hook. 2/5
7. Not Afraid - Iovine - "Yo slim, make a track for the Staples center and golds gym" 2/5
8. Seduction - Finally things are starting to pick back up on this album. Slim maybe now starting to realize that his yelling flow is getting tiring. 3/5
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne - Another uninspired track that relies so heavily on the sample to give an emotional/epic feel. Wayne/Slim giving us the same song and dance on this track. Been there done that. 2.5/5
10. Space Bound - Nice track, interesting sample choice, lyrically EM starting to bore. 3/5
11. Cinderella Man - One of the better tracks on the album but the beat can be too overbearing, and someone needs to keep EM in check, these songs are all really starting to drag. 3.5/5
12. 25 to Life - EM really trying to get that pop radio play on this album. 2.5/5
13. So Bad - Certified head banger, Dre came through on his only beat, which is joke that he only had one beat. 4/5
14. Almost Famous - Back to back decent tracks, finally. Nice hook, lyrically he's all over place, more like mixtape track, hopfully he ends his album well. 3/5
15. Love the Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna - Cliche preditable nonsense we have come to expect from these two. 1.5/5
16. You’re Never Over - His singing makes 50 singing seem like R Kelly, absolutely cringe worthy 1/5
Beats: 2.5/5
Lyrics: 3.5/5
Overall: 2.5/5
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In before the hate.
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My d.l version has 17 tracks ???
3 tracks in, surprisingly impressed.
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Can someone help me out?
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2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe :o 8)
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this album is hella dope!
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Y'all like this?
Not feeling this at all.
His vocals have changed and it's super aggressive as if he's always yelling. bleh!
Plus, I'm not feeling the content. All the talking to us about how he's going to deliver but he doesn't. The singing?
It is more pop infused music and this usually doesn't bother me but it didn't feel genuine.
Everything feels like an act to prove himself instead of creating music that's organic and true to himself.
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Y'all like this?
Not feeling this at all.
His vocals have changed and it's super aggressive as if he's always yelling. bleh!
Plus, I'm not feeling the content. All the talking to us about how he's going to deliver but he doesn't. The singing?
It is more pop infused music and this usually doesn't bother me but it didn't feel genuine.
Everything feels like an act to prove himself instead of creating music that's organic and true to himself.
I don't hear any homerun songs we'll be talking about in ten years like The Way I Am, Stan, or Lose Yourself. But as a full album I don't think it's all that much worse than his best stuff. I went through the first 3 albums a little while back and they don't stand up well over time.
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i'm about half way though & this is real strong so far. 8)
the singing isn't terrible, he can pull it off & if the second half is equally as strong, this could be his best album since The Eminem Show.
like Shallow said, i haven't heard a song yet that is a "sure-fire classic" or something that he'll be remembered for, but overall the CD has been real good so far. 8)
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I don't get it. I'll read the lyrics later to see how I exactly feel.
I'm not disputing his flow but it doesn't mean anything to me if he ain't saying much. Nor is this commentary on the production.
It's the content that's lacking.
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As I recall I enjoyed Space bound and Cinderella man.
Eminem does not get a pass for singing.
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At least google search clues
lol,go to www.sohh.com and go on their forum.In the main section fo the forum theirs several threads with links,I just started going to that forum and notcied they dont give a fuck when people post links to albums and Its easy to find any album on there.I found a thread where a guy was just taking requests for any album no matter how rare and he was posting them up,got like 30 albums from the thread lol.
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At least google search clues
lol,go to www.sohh.com and go on their forum.In the main section fo the forum theirs several threads with links,I just started going to that forum and notcied they dont give a fuck when people post links to albums and Its easy to find any album on there.I found a thread where a guy was just taking requests for any album no matter how rare and he was posting them up,got like 30 albums from the thread lol.
+1
faggot.
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what's jaydc opinion?
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As I recall I enjoyed Space bound and Cinderella man.
Eminem does not get a pass for singing.
yeah, those have easily been two of the most stand-out songs; fucking ill. 8)
& the singing doesn't bother me; it fits the mood of the song for me.
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Wow, I'm only about halfway through, but the production sounds so low-budget next to Relapse. The thing that made Relapse enjoyable was the cohesive sound. This sounds like it's easily going to be Em's least enjoyable album so far. Really boring so far. I didn't even get through some of these tracks before skipping to the next one. :(
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^ yup productions weak, WTF.
Only track thats got my head bobbin besides not afraid is so bad.
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1.Cold Winds Blows -5 out of 10 - Beat is ok,em cant pull singing off but the verses are ok,once again another shot @ mariah,pretty lame.Sounds like a random freestyle.
2.Talkin 2 Myself- 7 out of 10 - Should have been the intro,the beat is eh,pretty underwhelming,the hook is ok but not great,the verses def lift this song up over the beat and chorus.
3.On Fire - 6 out of 10 - Hook is pretty bad more bad singing from em,beat is ok but again pretty underwhelming,verses are good and once again save the song from being trash.
4.Wont back down - 2 out of 10 - The beat is decent but sounds unmixed,verses are all over the place with em talking about doing pills and dissing mariah again,chorus is pretty generic and the pink feature was pointless.
5.W.T.P. - 1 out of 10 - wack,sounds like an encore left over.Everything from the beat to the chorus to the verses is trash.
6.Going through changes - 9 out of 10 - Great introspective song,nice beat and good sample.Ems verse are great and he sounds relaxed and puts away the aggresive tone and it helps immesnely.
7.Not Afraid - 5 out of 10 - Cheesey hook,em singing is a no no and seems to be reoccuring on the album.Verses are great but the beat is really bad,the loud snare is distracting and really amatuer sounding.
8.Seduction - 7 out of 10 - Hook is eh,beat is ok but I enjoy the content and verses,its something different for em.Em singing again is a fail.
9..No love - 6 out of 10 - Lil waynes verse is pretty decent but his adlibs are unneccassary,the sample is really cheesey and ems singing AGAIN.Verse by em are strong.The verses on the song save it from the chorus and beat which is pretty generic.
10.Space Bound - 8 out of 10 - another strong introspective song,but once again another weak chorus.the beat is nice and fits the theme.
11.Cinderella Man - 5 out of 10 - Odd sounding beat not feeling it at all,the chants of cinderella man is weird and off putting.The chorus is weak again.Ems verses are strong but his aggressive flow is really starting to become annoying at this point.
12.25 to life - 5 out of 10 - Ems delivery at this point is sounding the same on almost every song.The beat is kind of messy and Im not really feeling it.Chorus is alright but nothing noteworthy.
13.So bad - 5 out of 10Em singing again....Beat sounds like a generic dre beat.Chorus is weak.
14.Almost Famous - 4 out of 10-Another generic beat,ems delivery once again is the same.The choruse is eh,not something Im really feeling.
15.Love the way you lie - 7 out of 10 - Go figure that rihannas chorus is one of the better ones on the album.I like the beat but it sounds like something Ive heard before.Ems verses are strong but once again using the same delivry,song could ahve used a softer delivery.
16.You're Never Alone - 6 out of 10 - Another generic beat.Another weak chorus.more of ems bad singing and more of the same delivery.the content is strong but its too bad everything else brings it down.
Overall Im giving the album a 5 out of 10.
Em is singing on 75 percent of the songs and he sounds horrible.The production is really generic and underwhelming,their was no beats on here that impressed me.Ems delivery gets really repetivie and distracting.He needs to switch his flow up on songs more he sounds the same on almost every song and its really distracting.This album is worse then relapse.
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Ok, I finished the album. Three good songs -- and they happen to be all in a row. The Lil' Wayne one, Space Bound, and Cinderella Man. The rest is getting deleted from my hard drive.
The Proof song is a significant disappointment. He talks about how much Proof was an inspiration to him instead of really letting us know what was so special about Proof. Like his best friend dies and Em's still only talking about himself. Talk about self-absorbed.
Oh well. Three good songs to keep. Definitely not worth buying.
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Str8 bangin album im surprised it was so good without Dre producin most of it.
track 2 was sickest
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my only complaint was that the Proof tribute wasn't deep at all.
overall, loved it.
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Cham, as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't like Drake's singing but Em gets a pass?
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and, i always wonder how close 50 and eminem really are....it seems like he detests dissing other cats based on some of these lyrics and he specifically talks about taking an L if he were to diss Ye or Wayne several years ago. I doubt he would've lost but I find it funny he thinks so.
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My favorite joints were "Going Through Changes" and "25 To Life". The rest are meh to me.
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Cham, as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't like Drake's singing but Em gets a pass?
Drake has entire songs of him just singing & he's not much of a singer.
Drake singing on the hook is a million times Eminem, but Drake singing on a whole RnB song compared to other RnB singers is a joke.
i don't know what's so bad about Eminem's singing; it fits the song.
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so i kinda skipped through quickly but nothing really caught my attention...will have to take another listen though. Right now I'm not really feeling this album that much. I have to disagree with the statement about Em's first 3 albums not standing the test of time.
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Went through a first listen and only liked 2 tracks >:( , Going through Changes and So Bad. Both dope as fuck songs i wish the other songs were like that instead of poppy sounding garbage ass beats like the other songs
oh and space bound is allright aswell
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Can everyone agree that the production on this album was really boring?And that the hooks and ems singing was really bad?Or that his aggresive flows gets really tiresome after a few songs?
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Cham, as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't like Drake's singing but Em gets a pass?
Drake has entire songs of him just singing & he's not much of a singer.
Drake singing on the hook is a million times Eminem, but Drake singing on a whole RnB song compared to other RnB singers is a joke.
i don't know what's so bad about Eminem's singing; it fits the song.
I kind of like Drake's singing. Much more than his rapping anyway.
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Can everyone agree that the production on this album was really boring?And that the hooks and ems singing was really bad?Or that his aggresive flows gets really tiresome after a few songs?
On first listen,
I thought the production was pretty dope but didn't sound mixed properly or wasn't finalised. It sounded rough.
I agree about Em's hook and the singing.
I also agree about the aggressive flow being used too much too often that it loses its effect.
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I think drake can sing a good catchy hook,but when he does a whole song of singing its annoying.That said,Id still rather hear him sing then rap lol.And either way em cant sing and he should not try.
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Its like eminem saw that people loved the forever verse and all that and saw how many people complimented his flow so he decided to make the whole album like that.Bad choice.
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Downloading this now, 70mb for the whole album, is that the versions everyones got?
Reviews seem a bit 50/50, suprised about the reviews of the beats, I guess Dre didn't have a hand in mixing?
Will give my verdict whenever I get to listen
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the production was worse than Relapse because the lack of Dre; but on the other hand, the production had a nice sound to it & fit the album.
i disagree on the hooks; sure they weren't good, but i don't think they were "awful/song ruining"; but to each his own.
when "Not Afraid" dropped, i pointed out that he had been using that "aggressive flow" since he released Relapse & how i was worried every song was going to have it & everybody was like "how you going to hate on it? blah blah blah", so now fuck all of you lol; & what are you going to do? hate on every song because they have a similar tone to them? i'm just tight he used it for the Proof song.
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Cham, as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong, you don't like Drake's singing but Em gets a pass?
Drake has entire songs of him just singing & he's not much of a singer.
Drake singing on the hook is a million times Eminem, but Drake singing on a whole RnB song compared to other RnB singers is a joke.
i don't know what's so bad about Eminem's singing; it fits the song.
I kind of like Drake's singing. Much more than his rapping anyway.
agreed, but that just shows how badly his rapping is. :D
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As most of you, i was pretty surprised about a quarter through. It sounded like it was gonnaa be some ill shit, but i don't know, after listening to the whole thing, it seems like most of the songs were sounding the same (and not in a "concept" type way). It was only one listen though, and nothing was bad. Still, on the other hand, nothing was real good. At least when Relapse came out, the beats were fuckin nuts. Recovery has to have the worst beats yet for an Eminem album by far, but I don't think a lot of the critics really care about production, which is fuckin sad. Here's what I recall, much should change after some more listens:
-The one with kobe was easily the best, and that's one of the few I can see still liking 10 years from now. As you guys were saying, nothing on here is comparable to those classic Em tracks, but then again, nothing on Relapse was either.
-Going Thru Changes was cool, Almost Famous was cool, the bonus track was cool, On Fire was cool.
-The Just Bllaze tracks were nice, but in terms of the production, nothing special from him.
-I didn't mind the Wayne track...but like anyone with a brain, I couldn't help but wonder why the fuck LIL WAYNE was the only rapper featured on the allbum?! For godsakes, your fucking EMINEM! You can have anyone in the fuckin world on a track with you, and LIL WAYNE? At least get someone from Aftermath or Shady, damn.
-W.T.P. had to have been easily the worst track on the album, I mean, this just sucked bigtime. Beat/lyrics/everything.
-Space Bound was cool, I wasn't feeling Cindarella Man much. Don't see why some of you are in love with these two, but not some of the others.
-The Khalil beats were decent for his standards. But like Just Blaze, a little upsetting.
-I agree with the singing part. It's like Eminem is trying to fit in with the Drakes & Waynes of the industry at the moment, but I don't think he realizes that he IS the biggest figure at the moment. But his singing isn't that bad though, so I don't mind it much.
Overall, I guess it's up there with The Eminem Show, but that albums good tracks SMASH this albums best tracks. On the other hand, that album had some real shitty tracks, while I didn't think anything was real bad on this besides W.T.P., which still wasn't THAT bad.
Oh, and it's pretty obvious the Dre track is So Bad. Which is actually in the top 3 for me on this one (most likely due to the production). But still...only one fuckin Dre beat on an Aftermath album!?!?...and an Eminemm album!?!?...I wonder how much Dre really had to do with this album, just like BISD, and just like the supposed RED Album. What the fuck is going on at Aftermath? Nobody making songs together anymore, Dre not fucking with his own guys no more, shits not looking good...but then again, Dre could easily be letting these guys take care of themselves under his label. Or maybe he had more the do than I think, but I doubt it. Still...it's just not what it used to be where Dre would take control of the album (exec.) and just completely turn the thing into a masterpiece (most of the time).
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Enough with this Dre production crap. Dre's production on the great Em albums was never all that great. Em's best album was MMLP, but take The Way I Am and Stan (two songs NOT produced by Dre) off that album and it's worse than Recovery.
1. "Public Service Announcement 2000" (feat. Jeff Bass) 0:25
2. "Kill You" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:24
3. "Paul" (skit) 0:11
4. "Who Knew" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:48
5. "Steve Berman" (skit) 0:54
6. "The Real Slim Shady" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:45
7. "Remember Me?" (feat. RBX, Sticky Fingaz) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:38
8. "I'm Back" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 5:10
9. "Marshall Mathers" F.B.T., Eminem 5:21
10. "Ken Kaniff" (skit) 1:02
11. "Drug Ballad" (feat. Dina Rae) F.B.T., Eminem 5:00
12. "Amityville" (feat. Bizarre) F.B.T. 4:14
13. "Bitch Please II" (feat. Dr. Dre, Nate Dogg, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:47
14. "Kim" F.B.T. 6:18
15. "Under the Influence" (feat. D12) F.B.T., Eminem 5:22
16. "Criminal"
Tell me honestly that the tracklisting above makes for that much better an album than the new one.
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I couldnt disagree more,I love mmlp I still bump it all the time I love every song on the album.the best song on recovery is on par with the worst song on mmlp.
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Enough with this Dre production crap. Dre's production on the great Em albums was never all that great. Em's best album was MMLP, but take The Way I Am and Stan (two songs NOT produced by Dre) off that album and it's worse than Recovery.
1. "Public Service Announcement 2000" (feat. Jeff Bass) 0:25
2. "Kill You" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:24
3. "Paul" (skit) 0:11
4. "Who Knew" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:48
5. "Steve Berman" (skit) 0:54
6. "The Real Slim Shady" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:45
7. "Remember Me?" (feat. RBX, Sticky Fingaz) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 3:38
8. "I'm Back" Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 5:10
9. "Marshall Mathers" F.B.T., Eminem 5:21
10. "Ken Kaniff" (skit) 1:02
11. "Drug Ballad" (feat. Dina Rae) F.B.T., Eminem 5:00
12. "Amityville" (feat. Bizarre) F.B.T. 4:14
13. "Bitch Please II" (feat. Dr. Dre, Nate Dogg, Snoop Dogg, Xzibit) Dr. Dre, Mel-Man 4:47
14. "Kim" F.B.T. 6:18
15. "Under the Influence" (feat. D12) F.B.T., Eminem 5:22
16. "Criminal"
Tell me honestly that the tracklisting above makes for that much better an album than the new one.
Yeah dude pretty sure it does, MMLP classic...this not so much
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I couldnt disagree more,I love mmlp I still bump it all the time I love every song on the album.the best song on recovery is on par with the worst song on mmlp.
Nostalgia. Play both albums minus the two tracks I mentioned to several people that haven't heard either album and I'll bet you'll get a toss up on what they think is better.
Let me add that the Wayne track should be a big single and it's easily by far the best Wayne verse I've ever heard.
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"The last two albums don't count, Encore I was on drugs Relapse I was flushing em out"
So now he's dismissing both his last albums? lol. Two tracks in so far, impressed, a lot of singing but it aint that bad. Lyrically he's on point, but I can see that same delivery getting tired, see how the rest of the album goes. The first beat was dope in my opinion, 2nd is definitely a different look for Em, Kobe's hook is cool, shit's dope for real. This third beat sounding sick, got those live sounding Dre drums, the fuck is that hook though :-\ "I just spit a bullshit hook in between two long ass verses if you mistook this for a song look"
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lol its not nostalgia when you listen to the album,I used to love the transformers cartoon and he man when i was younger and thought they were amazing,but I watched them as an adult and realized how bad they were.I still listen to mmlp today and it still sounds amazing,everything from the flow to the content to the production was incredible.I think I know the difference between nostalgia and what is actually good.You dont think it stands up thats fine,but I dont think your going to find many people that agree with you.but its your opinion,but like i said,the worst song on mmlp is on par with the best song on recovery,theirs no comparison.And where the fuck would you even find someone that hasnt heard mmlp?LOL
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lol its not nostalgia when you listen to the album,I used to love the transformers cartoon and he man when i was younger and thought they were amazing,but I watched them as an adult and realized how bad they were.I still listen to mmlp today and it still sounds amazing,everything from the flow to the content to the production was incredible.I think I know the difference between nostalgia and what is actually good.You dont think it stands up thats fine,but I dont think your going to find many people that agree with you.but its your opinion,but like i said,the worst song on mmlp is on par with the best song on recovery,theirs no comparison.And where the fuck would you even find someone that hasnt heard mmlp?LOL
How old were you when MMLP came out? I'm guessing you weren't a kid that watched Transformers in 2000. In Spring of 2000 when MMLP came out I was 17 turning 18. I'm willing to bet there are plenty of teens, that are now the age you were then, in your area that haven't heard any Eminem albums.
Eminem in 2000 was like a weekly promo from the Rock in WWF. Try watching 17 Rock promos in a row from 2000 and see how boring If Ya Smellllll!!!!! and It Doesn't Matter gets after the 5th time. (let me be clear that no one in the WWF currently is even close to as entertaining as the Rock was then).
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this is the eminem you people like?
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"Going Through Changes" is an incredible song.
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Eminem's music is boring bcuz he's a white boy and white boy's just can't do it like niggaz can. FACT is Eminem is vicious lyrically but he doesn't have the swag. He'll always pick boring beats and no matter who's featured he'll always make sure more white people will like it instead of niggaz and he'll never be the same Marshall he was back in 2000 no matter how many pills he pops.
Eminem is corny as shit in 2010 and I haven't even listened to the album yet. Not to say that niggaz don't bcuz if something catches my attention I'll give it a listen but ever since that joint with Mockingbird on it and Relapse PLUS the assface by tha Gay Man he just doesn't seem credible or interesting no matter how hard he goes on the mic (that wasn't funny or hip hop). "Not Afraid" is wack and so was MOST of Relapse and I haven't even listened to "Recovery" yet and already know that the shit is boring. I already know the people on DubCC don't like ANYTHING what so ever but I know that this shit isn't gonna have any replay value at all. He's damaged his art and public perception of him so much that it doesn't even matter anymore. He's 1 of the few who had it good but fucked up his PR heavy and can't really turn back. He might go down as another BeastieBoy but he'll never be a unique. Sure he's white and he's Eminem and considering those facts alone he will but at the end of the day he won't hold the test of time in the ghettos.
I'm gonna download "Recovery" (maybe), I haven't even thought twice about buying it. Maybe if he battled Royce I might be a little more interested but he's not even on that level anymore with battling so he's corny and a pussy.
Eminem used to have that "nigga factor" but when dropped that album with "mosh" on it u could tell he didn't have anything more to offer, result being he was done and wack from there on. even 50 Cent couldn't revive his career (if he still truely wanted it). Even when his old tapes came out cussing out black bitches and niggers he still had a pass but he's done too much and too little to get back to that spot, sad thing was he was 1 of the few who could. that white boy who came out with the video where he got a black eye had a cool record i could jam too (i think. i haven't heard it since the 1st time so long ago-a month-truthfully) but as far as i could tell he could'n't do the things Slim Shady done. But now it's only memories from here.
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Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
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nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
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nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
read my review in this thread.
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nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
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In my eyes relapse is far and away the better album.The production was way better and deju vu,beautiful,underground and stay wide awake are all better then any song on recovery.Id rather listen to 3am,hello,crack a bottle or same song and dance over any song on this album other then going through changes.
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In my eyes relapse is far and away the better album.The production was way better and deju vu,beautiful,underground and stay wide awake are all better then any song on recovery.Id rather listen to 3am,hello,crack a bottle or same song and dance over any song on this album other then going through changes.
It's just the flow that destroys that album. I'm not even saying Recovery is all that great when I bring up MMLP. Hill You, Who Knew, and Criminal are far and away better than anything he's done in years. But Real Slim Shady is bubble gum trash, and Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim would all make Recovery a worse album than it is. Bitch Please is great but should be on an Xzibit album and Under the influence is only like 30 great seconds of Eminem. D12 don't come so hard on this track. So I go back to MMLP and listen to Stan, Way I Am, Kill You, Criminal, BP, Who Knew, and 30 seconds of Influence and completely skip and ignore RSS, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim. With Marshal Mathers being hit or miss. So 6 songs that stand up, 6 that fall apart after 10 years, 1 in the middle and half a great verse on the group track.
I swear I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. If Real Slim Shady, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Amityville, and Kim were never released and came out as new songs on this new album they'd be among the weaker tracks. Do you really disagree? If so, I'll respect your opinion and drop it.
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In my eyes relapse is far and away the better album.The production was way better and deju vu,beautiful,underground and stay wide awake are all better then any song on recovery.Id rather listen to 3am,hello,crack a bottle or same song and dance over any song on this album other then going through changes.
It's just the flow that destroys that album. I'm not even saying Recovery is all that great when I bring up MMLP. Hill You, Who Knew, and Criminal are far and away better than anything he's done in years. But Real Slim Shady is bubble gum trash, and Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim would all make Recovery a worse album than it is. Bitch Please is great but should be on an Xzibit album and Under the influence is only like 30 great seconds of Eminem. D12 don't come so hard on this track. So I go back to MMLP and listen to Stan, Way I Am, Kill You, Criminal, BP, Who Knew, and 30 seconds of Influence and completely skip and ignore RSS, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim. With Marshal Mathers being hit or miss. So 6 songs that stand up, 6 that fall apart after 10 years, 1 in the middle and half a great verse on the group track.
I swear I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. If Real Slim Shady, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Amityville, and Kim were never released and came out as new songs on this new album they'd be among the weaker tracks. Do you really disagree? If so, I'll respect your opinion and drop it.
The only song I listen to from that album is Amityville. The only song I listen to from Slim Shady LP is I'm Shady. I bump both Eminem Show and Encore. I thought Relapse was a dope CONCEPT album until Eminem said it wasn't one and thus I think it's a disappointing album.
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In my eyes relapse is far and away the better album.The production was way better and deju vu,beautiful,underground and stay wide awake are all better then any song on recovery.Id rather listen to 3am,hello,crack a bottle or same song and dance over any song on this album other then going through changes.
It's just the flow that destroys that album. I'm not even saying Recovery is all that great when I bring up MMLP. Hill You, Who Knew, and Criminal are far and away better than anything he's done in years. But Real Slim Shady is bubble gum trash, and Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim would all make Recovery a worse album than it is. Bitch Please is great but should be on an Xzibit album and Under the influence is only like 30 great seconds of Eminem. D12 don't come so hard on this track. So I go back to MMLP and listen to Stan, Way I Am, Kill You, Criminal, BP, Who Knew, and 30 seconds of Influence and completely skip and ignore RSS, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim. With Marshal Mathers being hit or miss. So 6 songs that stand up, 6 that fall apart after 10 years, 1 in the middle and half a great verse on the group track.
I swear I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. If Real Slim Shady, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Amityville, and Kim were never released and came out as new songs on this new album they'd be among the weaker tracks. Do you really disagree? If so, I'll respect your opinion and drop it.
i disagree,I love all those songs.The only iffy song to me was the 12 song.But id take all those songs over every song on this album
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In my eyes relapse is far and away the better album.The production was way better and deju vu,beautiful,underground and stay wide awake are all better then any song on recovery.Id rather listen to 3am,hello,crack a bottle or same song and dance over any song on this album other then going through changes.
It's just the flow that destroys that album. I'm not even saying Recovery is all that great when I bring up MMLP. Hill You, Who Knew, and Criminal are far and away better than anything he's done in years. But Real Slim Shady is bubble gum trash, and Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim would all make Recovery a worse album than it is. Bitch Please is great but should be on an Xzibit album and Under the influence is only like 30 great seconds of Eminem. D12 don't come so hard on this track. So I go back to MMLP and listen to Stan, Way I Am, Kill You, Criminal, BP, Who Knew, and 30 seconds of Influence and completely skip and ignore RSS, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Amity-ville, and Kim. With Marshal Mathers being hit or miss. So 6 songs that stand up, 6 that fall apart after 10 years, 1 in the middle and half a great verse on the group track.
I swear I'm not trying to play devil's advocate. If Real Slim Shady, Remember Me, I'm Back, Drug Ballad, Marshall Mathers, Amityville, and Kim were never released and came out as new songs on this new album they'd be among the weaker tracks. Do you really disagree? If so, I'll respect your opinion and drop it.
i disagree,I love all those songs.The only iffy song to me was the 12 song.But id take all those songs over every song on this album
Well then God bless you.
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so far relapse sounds much better and that album wasnt all that...
the production on relapse alone>>>>>recovery
the production on relapse is whats dope not really the rapper..but this singin shit hes been doin is wack
nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
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so far relapse sounds much better and that album wasnt all that...
the production on relapse alone>>>>>recovery
the production on relapse is whats dope not really the rapper..but this singin shit hes been doin is wack
nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
Forreal. Thats one of the only albums that i'll consider "a memorable/good album" based on production alone. IF ONLY we coulda had THIS Em over THOSE beats. Then that would have been a near classic IMO.
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this album is pretty dope way better then relapse he doesnt have that annoyin ass accent overall i like this album idk y the hate tho
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nah not even this em....em hasnt been the same rappin wise since years ago...eminem show era....IMO his dopest flow was on that SHOWDOWN song..that song is classic IMO and his flow is crazy....him and dre goin back n fourth
so far relapse sounds much better and that album wasnt all that...
the production on relapse alone>>>>>recovery
the production on relapse is whats dope not really the rapper..but this singin shit hes been doin is wack
nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
Forreal. Thats one of the only albums that i'll consider "a memorable/good album" based on production alone. IF ONLY we coulda had THIS Em over THOSE beats. Then that would have been a near classic IMO.
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nah not even this em....em hasnt been the same rappin wise since years ago...eminem show era....IMO his dopest flow was on that SHOWDOWN song..that song is classic IMO and his flow is crazy....him and dre goin back n fourth
so far relapse sounds much better and that album wasnt all that...
the production on relapse alone>>>>>recovery
the production on relapse is whats dope not really the rapper..but this singin shit hes been doin is wack
nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
Forreal. Thats one of the only albums that i'll consider "a memorable/good album" based on production alone. IF ONLY we coulda had THIS Em over THOSE beats. Then that would have been a near classic IMO.
Bad Guys Always Die? Ya that was a sick flow, I would say his Til I Collapse flow was my personal favorite. But what I meant was how he has that angry/loud flow he's got going on now. That would have went perfect with the dark/hard-hitting beats of Relapse I would think.
And listening to the Dre track again, it sounds like this was from the Relapse 2 sessions by Em's lyrics/flow. Looks like it should have been on that Refill EP. I actually really like this track, but like Just Blaze & Khalil, Dre's better work could have been easily available to Em (see Underground, Deja Vu, Hell Breaks Loose, etc). Still pissing me off how Dre isn't having a big involvment in his own artist's albums anymore. There WAS a reason MMLP/GRODT/Documentary were the way they were, and that was because Dre was completely in charge. Now it's looking as if he's not even in the picture any more.
Also, anybody notice how that White Trash Party track (which sucked) was abbreviated to W.T.P. Can anybody guess why? It's obvious Em/Jimmy were aiming for a complete radio-friendly/mainstream album here and so i guess even the titles had to be that way. Think about it, if you were to put a track titled White Trash Party amongst all the other titles on this album, it would be completely out of place, sounding like something you'd see on one of his older albums. So they abbreviated it to look like it was just another motivational/inspirational/whatever type track like the rest of them. But then again, why the fuck even have this track on the album.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
White Trash Party is really growing on me.
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yeah im talkin about that song...that song is damn near amazin and str8 fire no doubt
dre's flow = dopeness
em's flow = listenable (vs relapse, encore etc flow)
but this recovery album sounds really bad...his flow, the production etc....but this was expected
1.from what relapse was soundin like
2.more importantly his flow of direction and the beats he was gettin on there after wit the features
if this album sells......IMO it has nuthin to do wit the album bein dope, but yet who he is and yeah what color he is....lol
personally I jus cant get into em's muzik and he ruins the dopest beats.....showdown was a waste of a classic beat to be given to him to spit on
nah not even this em....em hasnt been the same rappin wise since years ago...eminem show era....IMO his dopest flow was on that SHOWDOWN song..that song is classic IMO and his flow is crazy....him and dre goin back n fourth
so far relapse sounds much better and that album wasnt all that...
the production on relapse alone>>>>>recovery
the production on relapse is whats dope not really the rapper..but this singin shit hes been doin is wack
nah but jay are you feelin this fareal? lol
as if relapse wasnt bad enough?
Shut up radiotube,go listen to gucci mane.
Why do I have a feeling that "Relapse" is going to be remembered as the better of the two albums. And probably the scrapped tracks from "Relapse 2" if they ever leak.
Forreal. Thats one of the only albums that i'll consider "a memorable/good album" based on production alone. IF ONLY we coulda had THIS Em over THOSE beats. Then that would have been a near classic IMO.
Bad Guys Always Die? Ya that was a sick flow, I would say his Til I Collapse flow was my personal favorite. But what I meant was how he has that angry/loud flow he's got going on now. That would have went perfect with the dark/hard-hitting beats of Relapse I would think.
And listening to the Dre track again, it sounds like this was from the Relapse 2 sessions by Em's lyrics/flow. Looks like it should have been on that Refill EP. I actually really like this track, but like Just Blaze & Khalil, Dre's better work could have been easily available to Em (see Underground, Deja Vu, Hell Breaks Loose, etc). Still pissing me off how Dre isn't having a big involvment in his own artist's albums anymore. There WAS a reason MMLP/GRODT/Documentary were the way they were, and that was because Dre was completely in charge. Now it's looking as if he's not even in the picture any more.
Also, anybody notice how that White Trash Party track (which sucked) was abbreviated to W.T.P. Can anybody guess why? It's obvious Em/Jimmy were aiming for a complete radio-friendly/mainstream album here and so i guess even the titles had to be that way. Think about it, if you were to put a track titled White Trash Party amongst all the other titles on this album, it would be completely out of place, sounding like something you'd see on one of his older albums. So they abbreviated it to look like it was just another motivational/inspirational/whatever type track like the rest of them. But then again, why the fuck even have this track on the album.
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Some posters here are straight faggots. why you checking something if you dont like it,i dont get it. you are just anttetion whors,you can die jus tlike that 8) 8)
checking this later.
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Some posters here are straight faggots. why you checking something if you dont like it,i dont get it. you are just anttetion whors,you can die jus tlike that 8) 8)
checking this later.
Really, I think if you read this thread and then go listen to it, your gonna probably like it a lot better than if you would have came into here after listening to it. IMO, it's obviously better than all the other mainstream shit out there (and smashed the shit outta Drake's album, but that was expected). I guess everyopne has there certain expectations for Em, but in the end, this is a pretty good album, even for his standards. To me it was just a little too repetetive, dissapointing beats and a different direction than any of Em's previous work which could be a positive.
So Em was gonna make a diss track at Wayne?!? God damn, that would have been gold! It's cool that he's saying that though. Track 2 is the shit, track 1 is ill too.
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kinda sucks that dre doesnt have a feature on this album considering his had a feature on every other em CD.
well we got 2 on relapse and they were both ehhh. so dont to bad i guess.
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I prefer Drake's Thank Me Later over Eminem's Recovery. True story.
Granted I've only had Drake's for a couple more days and Eminem's less than a day.
I'll see and come back.
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damn thats near death....drakes voice is :scarface:
and em's rappin is not good
I prefer Drake's Thank Me Later over Eminem's Recovery. True story.
Granted I've only had Drake's for a couple more days and Eminem's less than a day.
I'll see and come back.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
This is real and from the heart just like any great song with lyrics is.
http://www.youtube.com/v/i9rg2uP_xXk&a=vRFtQpE2E8Q&playnext_from=ML
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Damn, 3 pages deep already.
AND DO NOT ASK FOR LINKS FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
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Love royce's tweet, " Recovery leaked today, MC's how do you feel about what you do! hahaha" :D :D
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you dont like the showdown?
song is....... :o
production is cold on that song
I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
This is real and from the heart just like any great song with lyrics is.
http://www.youtube.com/v/i9rg2uP_xXk&a=vRFtQpE2E8Q&playnext_from=ML
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Did Dre really produce Space bound? Some sites say that Just Blaze produced it. Anybody have a real list of the production credits? Thanks.
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downloading now....so the overall criticisms are the production (which you already knew was gonna get shitted on because its not dre) and the singing (which he's done since the beginning of his career)?....and why is he being compared to drake all over this thread? wow
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Stans are gonna go crazy, the messiah blessed them.
'6.Going Through Changes' -
:o :o :o
Damn, that's some personal shit there.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
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I haven't listened this yet... I'm kinda waiting to see reviews by Lunatic & Meho though :D
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I haven't listened this yet... I'm kinda waiting to see reviews by Lunatic & Meho though :D
My condolences.
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my fav tracks after first listen:
- talkin to myself, on fire, going through changes, so bad, almost famous.
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haven't heard this musical album yet, but "wont back down" is definitely in rotation. condolences to you wiggers who aren't feeling it.
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Talkin' To Myself is my favourite track off the album - Kobe killed the hook
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haven't heard this musical album yet, but "wont back down" is definitely in rotation. condolences to you wiggers who aren't feeling it.
i really dig the beat
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who singin the hook on the "Space bound"..what a dope ass track
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after a few spins, krazy album
my stand out tracks
Going Through Changes - Seduction - Space Bound - 25 to Life - So Bad -
Only Track i seem to skip is Cinderella Man
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after a few spins, krazy album
my stand out tracks
Going Through Changes - Seduction - Space Bound - 25 to Life - So Bad -
Only Track i seem to skip is Cinderella Man
this....
i realy like Cinderella Man somthing crazy about that track stuck in me
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cinderella man is probably one of my favourite tracks
the album is good, probably a 6/10. definitely not seeing relapse, probably a little bit below TES in terms of rank
have to give it a few more spins before i make a solid opinion
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I have a feeling that this album is a grower and not the type that strucks you in the first few spins... after 2 spins Space Bound is my favorite.
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Seduction joint is strong.sounds like dre beat
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ehhh the album was alright
best songs:
talkin to myself
no more
seduction
25 to life
so bad
the rest of the songs are either wack because of beats, eminems TERRIBLE singing (aside from maybe two songs), and the standard slim shady scrotum talk that I don't feel.
theres some other songs like almost famous that are good but I just don't think I'll be listening to much in the future
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What did Dre produce on this album?
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Well, atleast it's miles beyond relapse (which sucked so hard even the artist who made it hates it). My first impression is: I like it. I need to give it a few more spins though
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After first listen I can say im feeling it. No accent ;D ;D ;D ! I agree that production on Relapse was better, but production on Recovery is not weak at all.
after first bump songs that stand out are 2,6,10,12, but i have a feeling im gonna like it more songs after some more listens...
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What did Dre produce on this album?
'So bad'
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Really, I think if you read this thread and then go listen to it, your gonna probably like it a lot better than if you would have came into here after listening to it. IMO, it's obviously better than all the other mainstream shit out there (and smashed the shit outta Drake's album, but that was expected). I guess everyopne has there certain expectations for Em, but in the end, this is a pretty good album, even for his standards. To me it was just a little too repetetive, dissapointing beats and a different direction than any of Em's previous work which could be a positive.
Exactly how I feel about this album. I came in here reading the first couple posts before listening to it, and when I heard it I thought it was a lot better than what people make it out to be. I think its not great, it could even be his worst, according to his high standards as far as production or the replay value, who knows, but the songs I'm hearing are far from wack and better than most of the shit I'm hearing from other artists. He's kinda following Snoops path; started off with a couple dope ass albums, and from there on it's never gonna be the same again, maybe with a few exceptions on every release. People just expected some out of this world shit.
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IMO, this is Em's best album to date.
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Really, I think if you read this thread and then go listen to it, your gonna probably like it a lot better than if you would have came into here after listening to it. IMO, it's obviously better than all the other mainstream shit out there (and smashed the shit outta Drake's album, but that was expected). I guess everyopne has there certain expectations for Em, but in the end, this is a pretty good album, even for his standards. To me it was just a little too repetetive, dissapointing beats and a different direction than any of Em's previous work which could be a positive.
Exactly how I feel about this album. I came in here reading the first couple posts before listening to it, and when I heard it I thought it was a lot better than what people make it out to be. I think its not great, it could even be his worst, according to his high standards as far as production or the replay value, who knows, but the songs I'm hearing are far from wack and better than most of the shit I'm hearing from other artists. He's kinda following Snoops path; started off with a couple dope ass albums, and from there on it's never gonna be the same again, maybe with a few exceptions on every release. People just expected some out of this world shit.
Same thing with me, I started reading the comments and I was afraid this is weak, even dude said that Drake album is far better then this (dude that said this is not any local dubcc idiot, dude has good posts) and I was very disappointed. Then I saw few good reviews by Luna and Cham Click and got my hopes back, and finally album has downloaded and I took some time to bump it properly . Its a really solid album, better then all mainstream shit that got released this year, its not your tipical Marshal Matthers album, but it has other qualities, like dude said, Eminem already took few different directions with Encore, Relapse and this one, and this one turned out very good. Most of people in here have problems with the beats on the album, I really dont, I mean its not Relapse quality but its not bad at all. Fans are growing older, evolving in here when it comes to music and staying in the past at the same time when it comes to Eminem albums. Its impossible to solve that problem.
PS. Comparing this with Drakes is not even an option, Recovery is on whole different level, just feels better, lyrics, beats, delivery, flow, content...I mean Drakes album is joke comparing it to Recovery.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
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I'll have to check out the rest of the album proper before I even think of picking this up... Just peeped a couple of the leaked tracks from Nah Right, and while Em is really on point with the flow, the production is weaksauce.
And that sample on No Love... That fucking sample. Em flows like a monster on there, but goddamn if that sample doesn't ruin the track. See, 'round my way Haddaway's "What Is Love?" (the song that's sampled here) is one of, if not the prime example of ridiculously bad, laughable, horrible techno music. When I think of "techno music that makes me want to blow my brains out", I think of Haddaway - "What Is Love?". It's one of those songs that should be archived for future generations just so they'd have a perfect example of what NOT to do when making music. I can't seriously listen to "No Love" without shaking my head and feeling ashamed for Just Blaze.
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White Trash Party bangs hard on the system even with this shitty quality rip :)
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They knew exactly what they were doing sampling What Is Love, its SNL certified. They did it exactly FOR that reason.
Personally, the album would be 200% better if Eminem never tried to sing, ever. That goes for all of his music actually.
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They knew exactly what they were doing sampling What Is Love, its SNL certified. They did it exactly FOR that reason.
Personally, the album would be 200% better if Eminem never tried to sing, ever. That goes for all of his music actually.
I disagree. I think Haileys song is one of em's best songs he's ever made.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
There was several shots aimed at Suge Knight in that track
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You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
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Only just heard this once, not fully through, skipped midway through some tracks but im kinda impressed. It gets weaker near the end but even then there are some strong tracks near the end like almost famous, that shits dope!
The lil wayne track really suprised me, that shits straight fire! Lil wayne came good and not only that he actually fits the track perfect and eminem spittin like he on crack or some shit, straight dope. and the adilibs really blend in with the vibe of the track well.
Only one spin thus far but im impressed with it. Will do a review when i get to check it properly but it looks good.
On a side note, i think im the only person who still has not heard the nas/damien marlry album. I aint downloading that and i aint got around to coppin it yet! grrrr
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On a side note, dres production on eminems first two albums was brilliant, agree though ever since eminem show, dres work with eminem has not been great at all.
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I haven't read this thread, but I will read (some) replies after this one.
Is this worth downloading? I haven't heard a single song from this yet, but I'm not interested either. Should I keep it that way?
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On the second day and my second complete listen (in 320kbps), I'm really starting to like it. It's like, ya it's a lot different than Em's previous work, but it's still a great CD regardless. I'm liking some of the tracks that I didn't care much for yesterday (Cindarella Man, 25 To Life). Still don't care for W.T.P., Seduction and the Rihanna track, which just so happens to be the next single. I'm pretty sure that's some Khalil production on Cindarella Man featuring The New Royales.
And in terms of the No Love sample, I actually started laughing when I realized they were gonna be sampling that throughout the song, don't think I ever heard that in a rap song before, which made it cool with me. That was Just Blaze?? I'll say it again though, putting Wayne on as the only rapper featured was a slap in the face to everyone else on Aftermath/Shady/Interscope. And giving him the first verse?! It was a good track, but that kind of stuff I just don't understand.
Also, the Drake comparisions are only being made because he's the only other "hottest" rapper out right now, and they happen to be dropping on the same day. But in the end, you guys are right, no comparision needed here.
On a side note, dres production on eminems first two albums was brilliant, agree though ever since eminem show, dres work with eminem has not been great at all.
Really? You didn't like Relapse's production? That had to have been one of the best produced rap albums of the decade! Just the way it was so theatrically/dark sounding, all flowing together and just plain sounded miles ahead of everything else to me. And THAT is Dre's new sound by the way, for anyone thinking he's still on all that piano/strings shit.
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I just heard recovery all the way through and I have to say I think relapse is by far a way better album. Yes relapse had the accent thing going on but i think the accent was way more annoying in encore then it was in relapse. The beats were still banging and the rhymes were tight in relapse. Recovery the beats are mediocore, i don't dig the singing he does a lot on the album and I dont prefer a eminem that yells his raps on almost every song.
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On a second listen I like it less than I did the first time. It's hard to listen to a track all the way through because of the whiny choruses they've used from both Eminem and the guest features.
I enjoyed Lil Wayne more than I did most of Eminem's rhymes on this release.
I think what Shallow was getting at is there's something missing in this album. It's like the spark, the rawness, the energy of life isn't here. It's got the perfect get up but it all feels fake.
Eminem was his best on tracks like Lose Yourself, Run Rabbit Run, Beautiful, etc. All of them captured the spirit and the track fully translated energy unlike this album.
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I dont have Cinderella man on mine >:(
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You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
You clearly did not understand my point at all. Re-read my post and then play the link I added and then get back to me.
I dont have Cinderella man on mine >:(
Ha ha.
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^^^ LOL
I hope someone takes that as a hint ;)
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Finally got the time to check this, just listened to the first 5 tracks; Cold Winter and Talking To Myself are great, really great. But On Fire and W.T.P. are average. Will listen to the rest soon and drop some thoughts later on. I don't think that 320 rip is legit btw, just re encoded.
And oh, that Kobe hook is the shit, never though him and Em could work
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You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
You clearly did not understand my point at all. Re-read my post and then play the link I added and then get back to me.
Didn't see your link cause I have flash blocker on. Now that I have, it makes even less sense. You go from talking about Dre and Em rapping about a movie to the theme song from Pulp Fiction?? Where you are going with this?
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Finally got the time to check this, just listened to the first 5 tracks; Cold Winter and Talking To Myself are great, really great. But On Fire and W.T.P. are average. Will listen to the rest soon and drop some thoughts later on. I don't think that 320 rip is legit btw, just re encoded.
And oh, that Kobe hook is the shit, never though him and Em could work
I just downloaded 320 version, not too much difference on my headphones, I guess you are right. Probably just re-encoded. Drop the info when VBR comes out or real 320.
Cold Wind Blows is great indeed.
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after one listen, it's a decent album... much better than Relapse in terms of lyrics, flow, and subject matter but the production wasn't as great
tracks I'll bump for now:
Cold Wind Blows
Talkin' 2 Myself (Feat. Kobe)
On Fire
Going Through Changes
Not Afraid
Seduction
No Love (Feat. Lil Wayne)
So Bad
Almost Famous
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I listen to it lastnight and today. Its growing on me. I like the feel of the album and enjoy the shift. I think that Rihanna song is going to be a big hit.
I think this album has a shit load of cross over songs that can be played on TOP40/HipHop/Rock stations.
4.5/5 for the whole album
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
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anyone checked this leak:
Eminem-Recovery-2010-DOH
Eminem - Recovery
Release Date.: 2010-06-08
Store Date...: 2010-06-22
Source.......: CD
Style........: Hip-Hop
Record Label.: Interscope
Cat Nr.......: B0014411-02
Encoder......: Lame 3.97 (-V2 --vbr-new)
Quality......: 192kbps avg / 44.1KHz / Joint Stereo
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
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spun for the 3rd time, it's really good lol.
i personally feel if there was no production credits & we didn't know who produced anything, people wouldn't be complaining; i can't name a bad beat off the top of my head besides "Not Afraid".
& the Rihanna song was actually pretty ill.
i feel like some of you are being pretty critical; go through ALL the other album discussions & most of you usually just write "oh, this is hot" or "this is trash"; that's exaggerration, but you know what i mean, you don't give HALF the effort in a review; but this, now we're debating if he's making music from the heart & if it sounds real, etc etc.
if you're not feeling the album, the vibe it sheds or whatever, that's one thing; but to go out of your way to call it "trash" is a bit much lol.
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Man this is fire ;D and I don't say that lightly. I really really like this, damn strong songs on here
Even Lyrical G likes it ;)
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is it just me that thinks that at least 90% of the album is dope? ???
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i've only heard some of the album and the shit is pretty wack to me. i guess i'm just not vibing with Eminem like that anymore. not to say that it's wack but it's wack. decent in other words.
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i actually somewhat agree with shallow about MMLP despite the fact of how much i loved it, and what i meant to me at the time it came out, i was 14... there are a lot of skipables on there, anoying skits, i never understood Remember Me (or RBX for that matter, he is anoying as fuck), drug ballad is like a bad cum on everybody (which isnt that great), i actually like amytiville, and kim, as retarded as it is, is novelty as hell, and i like sslp more, ... oh and this album, ill listen to it later, i really have not much interest.
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is just me that thinks that at least 90% of the album is dope? ???
"Won't Back Down" is probably the worst song on this album & i can get through that song because i'm down with the flow; so overall it's more than 90%. :P
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Man this is fire ;D and I don't say that lightly. I really really like this, damn strong songs on here
Even Lyrical G likes it ;)
the world is going to end ;D
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is just me that thinks that at least 90% of the album is dope? ???
Nope I really like this
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
Ha! Nah, nothing like that, man. Just a big-time Em supporter - apologies if I'm being too analytical. To try and explain my points:
The Elvis comparison has obviously been around forever. I just find that now it's taken a negative connotation, considering that Elvis also shared a dependancy to prescription medicine. He also reached a point near the end of his career (and life) where he felt like he still had something to prove. Seems like Em is veering close to that point in his career also. Not saying that the two paths are identical or anything like that - just that there are some bad similarities.
As for his emotional state, I could point to about half the album in support of what I was saying. "Talkin' To Myself" and "Going Through Changes" seem like good enough starting points though. His talent is still incredible, but Em nonetheless comes across as totally depressed.
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i actually think its a grower, i didnt really wanted to listen to it second time, but i do want to hear it third time
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
Ha! Nah, not at all, man. Just a big-time Em supporter - apologies if I'm being too analytical. To try and explain my points:
The Elvis comparison has obviously been around forever. I just find that now it's taken a negative connotation, considering that Elvis also shared a dependancy to prescription medicine. He also reached a point near the end of his career (and life) where he felt like he still had something to prove. Seems like Em is veering close to that point in his career also.
As for his emotional state, I could point to about half the album in support of what I was saying. "Talkin' To Myself" and "Going Through Changes" seem like good enough starting points though. His talent is still incredible, but Em nonetheless comes across as totally depressed.
;D
Both Elvis (then) and Em (now) had to sth to offer at that point of their career if you are looking it from that perspective.( Elvis just died too soon because he didnt want to get embarrassed that fans would know what kind of bowel problems he had,that was the real cause for his death,.)
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Beat for On Fire is :o
I enjoyed most of the album. On my Second spin of the whole thing now.
I hate Wont Back Down - Should have been alot better.
The Kobe hook is the best on the album.
I like the laid back feel of 25 To Life and Almost Famous
Your Never Over is horrible. The hook is a mess.
I like the track with Wayne when i thought i wouldnt.
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that Havoc track"White trash party" is Ill..real benger 8) 8)
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is just me that thinks that at least 90% of the album is dope? ???
"Won't Back Down" is probably the worst song on this album & i can get through that song because i'm down with the flow; so overall it's more than 90%. :P
wont back down is prolly one of my favorite tracks on there i like the whole rock/rap thing pink actually is decent on it
anyone checked this leak:
Eminem-Recovery-2010-DOH
Eminem - Recovery
Release Date.: 2010-06-08
Store Date...: 2010-06-22
Source.......: CD
Style........: Hip-Hop
Record Label.: Interscope
Cat Nr.......: B0014411-02
Encoder......: Lame 3.97 (-V2 --vbr-new)
Quality......: 192kbps avg / 44.1KHz / Joint Stereo
yea just downloaded it its the grouprip
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I will be buying this album while sterling actually buys me something ;D
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
Ha! Nah, not at all, man. Just a big-time Em supporter - apologies if I'm being too analytical. To try and explain my points:
The Elvis comparison has obviously been around forever. I just find that now it's taken a negative connotation, considering that Elvis also shared a dependancy to prescription medicine. He also reached a point near the end of his career (and life) where he felt like he still had something to prove. Seems like Em is veering close to that point in his career also.
As for his emotional state, I could point to about half the album in support of what I was saying. "Talkin' To Myself" and "Going Through Changes" seem like good enough starting points though. His talent is still incredible, but Em nonetheless comes across as totally depressed.
;D
Both Elvis (then) and Em (now) had to sth to offer at that point of their career if you are looking it from that perspective.( Elvis just died too soon because he didnt want to get embarrassed that fans would know what kind of bowel problems he had,that was the real cause for his death,.)
Absolutely. I still think Em has something to offer and I think that lyrically he is sometimes as sharp as ever on here. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of such a messed-up background. As clever as a lot of the "joke" punchlines are, a lot of them just seem laboured and halfhearted. I don't feel like he's really into them, but then maybe that's just me.
Of course, Em's never exactly been a "happy go lucky" guy!
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You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
You clearly did not understand my point at all. Re-read my post and then play the link I added and then get back to me.
Didn't see your link cause I have flash blocker on. Now that I have, it makes even less sense. You go from talking about Dre and Em rapping about a movie to the theme song from Pulp Fiction?? Where you are going with this?
Where I'm going is that for a song to speak to me or come from the heart it doesn't have to come right out and say a whole lot or in Dick Dale's case say anything at all. It's something real that you feel and just put out. Not something you have to think about first then create based on the pre-conceived idea. That song from Wild West is a shitty attempt at cowboy rap.
Now I'm a big outlaw country, alt country, and old country fan so when I hear that music that Dre and Em rap over it's sounds so cheesy. About as cheesy to me as Cowboy Troy would sound to rap fans. If I want to hear a country song about a bad ass I'll listen to Charlie Daniels. Here's a great Jimmy Dean cover.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YZ0ItH32O7Y
Bad guys Always Die or Showdown or whatever is novelty. There's no emotion in the music or the rapping, and there isn't supposed to be. Kill You was not one of the tracks I mentioned as a solid stand out, but Kill You is a lot deeper than it lets on. There's a lot of frustration and anger than goes with all the jokes. Both in the rapping and the music. Way better Eminem on the mic and way better Dre behind the boards.
by the way
this is Cowboy Troy if you didn't catch the reference
http://www.youtube.com/v/5xto4PzDHLQ
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Bumped it a lot today and in the midst of writing my DUBCNN review. What I will say in here is that I feel that, beneath the "I'm back, it's the old me" veneer, Recovery is a really inappropriate title. From a personal standpoint, Em sounds like he's in one of the worst spots of his life. I guess that helps me to understand why "Not Afraid" sounded so forced and oddly insincere, despite its strong(ish) lyrics.
To take a line straight from the draft of my review, it worries me how Eminem's career trajectory so closely mirrors Elvis'. What was once a running joke now looks increasingly like a grave concern.
I love what I've heard and Em is as vivid and involving as ever, but when he's this troubled that's almost to a detriment. You're really left hoping that he can pull himself together and find solace. I realize that to a lot of people who found Relapse underwhelming, Recovery could be taken as a reference to his MC skills. But, again, emotionally Em seems far from recuperated.
Some things u say are solid . Other then that I think LSD is no stranger to you...
Ha! Nah, not at all, man. Just a big-time Em supporter - apologies if I'm being too analytical. To try and explain my points:
The Elvis comparison has obviously been around forever. I just find that now it's taken a negative connotation, considering that Elvis also shared a dependancy to prescription medicine. He also reached a point near the end of his career (and life) where he felt like he still had something to prove. Seems like Em is veering close to that point in his career also.
As for his emotional state, I could point to about half the album in support of what I was saying. "Talkin' To Myself" and "Going Through Changes" seem like good enough starting points though. His talent is still incredible, but Em nonetheless comes across as totally depressed.
;D
Both Elvis (then) and Em (now) had to sth to offer at that point of their career if you are looking it from that perspective.( Elvis just died too soon because he didnt want to get embarrassed that fans would know what kind of bowel problems he had,that was the real cause for his death,.)
Absolutely. I still think Em has something to offer and I think that lyrically he is sometimes as sharp as ever on here. It's just a shame that it comes at the expense of such a messed-up background. As clever as a lot of the "joke" punchlines are, a lot of them just seem laboured and halfhearted. I don't feel like he's really into them, but then maybe that's just me.
Of course, Em's never exactly been a "happy go lucky" guy!
Conan The Reviewer after few Recovery spins, ready to put his thoughts on paper....+1. Ive mistaken you for some dude that wants to sound too philosophical on some Jung-Freud type of shit but I was wrong.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
Did you not notice the Chronic 2 references that Dr. Dre made? Suge tried releasing Chronic 2000 with unreleased Dr. Dre songs on them, but Dre managed to get the album blocked.
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After Relapse I made a list of things Eminem should do to make "Relapse 2" even better (I really like Relapse). Let's see how he fared:
1. Drop the accents
Reason: We all hate them. Eminem is seemingly the only one not realising how much they suck.
Result: Yes, indeed. Eminem came to his senses - they're gone.
2. Make shorter songs
Reason: Eminem albums tend to tiring because the songs are too goddamn long. You should leave the listener wanting more, not feeling fed up. Just like that Game 400 bars jam, that noone listened to in full. Some songs are long for a good reason (like "Stan"), but the vast majority of Eminem songs would be better in shorter form. Part of the charm of "Insane" on Relapse is that it is short. Had that gone on for another 2 minutes everyone would have hated it.
Result: Nope. Songs are still way too long. A full five tracks are 5 minutes or more, which is ridiculously long for a hip-hop track unless you have a ton of features, which Eminem doesn't.
3. Get outside production
Reason: We all love Dre's production. Less so with Eminems own production. But everybody needs to grow and challenge themselves. Let's hear Eminem flow on a Just Blaze beat, an Alchemist beat, a Havoc beat, a Khalil beat, a J.R.Rotem beat, a Kanye beat, etc.
Result: Yes, indeed, he followed suit. But you would think that he would have hotter beats given that I'm sure every hip-hop producer in the fuckin' world would kill to get on an Eminem album. Production is surprisingly average on Recovery.
4. Don't sing, ever! Get proper singers to do the singing.
Reason: Eminem is arguably the worst singer in the entire world. Yet he somehow thinks that he can sing. Let me put it this way: if I had to pick between the accent and the singing I would....kill myself.
Result: Eermmm....what the hell is he thinking? Instead of cutting down on singing, there's singing fuckin' EVERYWHERE on Recovery. This is gonna be the "accent issue" with this album. You have to wonder where Eminem's sense of reality is. First the accents, now the singing. Why is Dr.Dre - the most notorious perfectionist in the game - not telling Eminem that the accents suck and that singing is bad?
5. Keep varying the flow
Reason: One of the impressive things about Relapse is the variety of flows. Had he dropped the accents it would have been near perfect.
Result: Unfortunately Eminem has decided to rap almost exclusively in his "angry" voice. This gets very tiring on a whole album. He needs to switch it up.
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enuff already lol
all y'all are doing is gonna go in circles about the album in hopes of getting to/working to a compromise. it's not that serious, u either fuck with it or u don't, simple as that. u don't have 2 write a 10 page essay on ur do's and don't about Eminem and Relapse and Recovery. we get it already.
we can all agree that BlueSwan summed up everything about Eminem and EVERYTHING said on this board about Relapse and Recovery and Eminem for that matter.
1 - y'all r making the album OLD NEWS before it even comes out
2 - it's clear that some of y'all clearly lack self-esteem issues. u don't have to argue and debate this much, it's pure emo-ism. fall back from here for a couple weeks, you'll get it lol.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
Did you not notice the Chronic 2 references that Dr. Dre made? Suge tried releasing Chronic 2000 with unreleased Dr. Dre songs on them, but Dre managed to get the album blocked.
I understand the jabs at Suge. But for the most part this song is made for a bad Will Smith movie.
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I love how guys are hating on this album but then praising a 12 year old soundtrack song from a Will Smith movie where the end of the song is Em and Dre trading verses about how to defeat Kevin Kline's character from the film.
Actually, they were dissing Suge Knight in that song.
So Suge Knight ain't got no legs, they cut 'em off at the stomach. He's got mechanical legs, he spins webs?
I did make a mistake though; it was not Kevin Kline's character. It was Kenneth Branagh's.
Did you not notice the Chronic 2 references that Dr. Dre made? Suge tried releasing Chronic 2000 with unreleased Dr. Dre songs on them, but Dre managed to get the album blocked.
I understand the jabs at Suge. But for the most part this song is made for a bad Will Smith movie.
Yeah, it was made to score for the soundtrack but the song is basically one big jab at Suge Knight. Lol.
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its sad we got only 1 dre beat. I do like So Bad beat
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And Eminem recovery is leaked 2 wekks before realese date, its realy amazing that music Factorys dont have more security so they can stop workers leaking things out to the public.
anyway i know that its sometimes some sort of Business move from the record labels.
Even Eminem cannot be safe.
record sales drop everyday every year every month
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I need to be focused to listen to that record because I was bored this morning listening to this while driving to work... I skipped all songs after a minute or 2
Only good records to me are Lil Wayne assisted and I guess Dre-produced "So Bad" songs and for the rest it sucks real hard! Music wise the album is trash and too pop for me
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Sample on "Going Through Changes" is the from allmighty Black Sabbath´s "Changes", from the album "Vol. 4" (1972).
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Sample on "Going Through Changes" is the from allmighty Black Sabbath´s "Changes", from the album "Vol. 4" (1972).
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Sure is. u cant go wrong with Ozzie on the hook.
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Some of you (remember, it´s not hip hop...) should check out Black Sabbath´s earlier albums, with Ozzy on vocals:
Black Sabbath (1969)
Paranoid (1970)
Master Of Reality (1971)
Volume 4 (1972)
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (1973)
Sabotage (1975)
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... Ice-T also sampled the title track from Sabbath´s self-titled first album for the song "Midnight", on his "Original Gangster" LP (1991). Heard a few more songs that use Black Sabbath samples, but these escape my memory right now...
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^^^ Word Ozzie sounds dope on that hook!
Listening to this album last night Albums sounded a lot doper 2nd time around, a lot more introspective than I intially thought.
I couldn't help but think how huge this album is gonna be, so many cross over singles on there. If dre wanted/needed promo for Detox he shoulda jumped on that joint with Rihanna, that songs gonna be huge.
That "Almost Famous" gives me a Havoc vibe, anyone know who produced it?
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You guys really need to go download Bob Dylan's first 5 albums. What's the point of debating music if all you like is the novelty of it. "It's got a good beat I can bump to it". If music doesn't speak to me I don't want to hear it. That being said, nothing on Recovery "speaks" to me. And I don't mean some pseudo serious diatribe about changing the world. Just give me something real, and I'm sorry but Wild Wild West ain't it. If it's not coming from the heart then what is the point. And I don't just mean lyrics.
Kill You isn't from the heart and doesn't speak to anyone. As a matter of fact most of Eminem's music isn't intended to be taken seriously. I don't see how you can feel that way and still be a fan of Eminem considering a lot of his music is made for its shock value.
Music is music because of the way it sounds. Lyrics that "speak to you" won't make a song a good piece of music. You also need it to sound good. While I agree that the best songs can do both, production is always more important when it comes to music. Real lyrics over shitty production doesn't make better music than "fake" lyrics over great production. After all, if it were just about the lyrics we might as well all go and listen to spoken word artists and forget this hip hop nonsense.
You clearly did not understand my point at all. Re-read my post and then play the link I added and then get back to me.
Didn't see your link cause I have flash blocker on. Now that I have, it makes even less sense. You go from talking about Dre and Em rapping about a movie to the theme song from Pulp Fiction?? Where you are going with this?
Where I'm going is that for a song to speak to me or come from the heart it doesn't have to come right out and say a whole lot or in Dick Dale's case say anything at all. It's something real that you feel and just put out. Not something you have to think about first then create based on the pre-conceived idea. That song from Wild West is a shitty attempt at cowboy rap.
Now I'm a big outlaw country, alt country, and old country fan so when I hear that music that Dre and Em rap over it's sounds so cheesy. About as cheesy to me as Cowboy Troy would sound to rap fans. If I want to hear a country song about a bad ass I'll listen to Charlie Daniels. Here's a great Jimmy Dean cover.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YZ0ItH32O7Y
Bad guys Always Die or Showdown or whatever is novelty. There's no emotion in the music or the rapping, and there isn't supposed to be. Kill You was not one of the tracks I mentioned as a solid stand out, but Kill You is a lot deeper than it lets on. There's a lot of frustration and anger than goes with all the jokes. Both in the rapping and the music. Way better Eminem on the mic and way better Dre behind the boards.
by the way
this is Cowboy Troy if you didn't catch the reference
http://www.youtube.com/v/5xto4PzDHLQ
So basically you prefer whatever song you "feel" the most. That's true for anyone though. Problem is that everyone has a different interpretation of what they feel. I could hear a song first time and love it. You could hear it on first listen and think its shit. Also there's some songs that I don't feel the first time but then I listen to later and get really into. Like songs with more subtle production where you don't catch everything the first time. I won't lie, first time I heard GZA's Liquid Swords I didn't get it. I thought the production was rather bland. But I came back to it later and liked it a lot more. Today its one of favorite records. That's not based on a preconceived idea, that's me gaining a better understanding of the music.
Kill You actually was one of the songs that you pointed out (unless there's a song called "Hill you" I don't know about). But I don't see how its any better than the rest of that album. It's Em talking about killing bitches over a poppish beat. I liked it a lot when I was younger because it was hardcore and had a nice beat. Not that I hate it now, but I recognize it for what it is. Go check out the MMLP thread. Those songs that you dislike like Amityville and Remember Me were among people's favorite tracks. Not that I think "Bad Guys Always Die" is better than those songs. I actually think its just an average song. I would probably like it more if the production were different. But saying you "feel" one song more than another isn't very good of an explanation as to why one is better than another. I could say one has better production, or on one he flows better or the rhymes are better or the content is better. That's at least way more arguable than saying one "speaks to me more".
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^^^ Word Ozzie sounds dope on that hook!
Listening to this album last night Albums sounded a lot doper 2nd time around, a lot more introspective than I intially thought.
I couldn't help but think how huge this album is gonna be, so many cross over singles on there. If dre wanted/needed promo for Detox he shoulda jumped on that joint with Rihanna, that songs gonna be huge.
That "Almost Famous" gives me a Havoc vibe, anyone know who produced it?
Very good beat, sounds like Dj Khalil and New Royales to me.
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J.E., I got ya' on the review :D
1. Cold Wind Blows - 3.75/5 The beat is pretty good. I don't find his singing on here annoying. Pretty good opener.
2. Talkin' to Myself - 4.5/5 - This shit is fire. Khalil killed the beat and Kobe drops a classic hook. Love the honest Em on the first talkin' about almost dissin' Wayne & Kanye.
3. On Fire - 3.5/5 This beat is pretty banging. Em's flow is tight here too. Not much yelling on here. This is a pretty solid album joint.
4. Won't Back Down - 3.5/5 This beat keeps growing on me. It's so banging. I don't think the Pink feature is that random; she has that bad ass attitude that fits the song and its concept. It's a grower, not amazing, but not bad either.
5. W.T.P. - 3/5 Beat isn't bad. Hook is alright. It would get some plays in the club and on radio. Maybe a future single?
6. Going though Changes - 4.5/5 The sample is really tight. Eminem is spitting really nice on here too, really nice. Beat is tight too.
7. Not Afraid - 3/5 This is just boring to me. The beat, hook, verses, etc. - It's uplifting music but its boring.
8. Seduction - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. This stinks. It's getting old too.
9. No Love - 3.25/5 Interesting beat/sample. Beat picks up during the verses. Wayne's verse is decent. Em's hook is eyy. Em comes tight with the verses though. I don't know about this. It's kind of weird.
10. Space Bound - 4/5 Beat is good. Em is really spitting on here. Who is doing this hook? I can see some people finding it annoying but I think its pretty tight.
11. Cinderella Man - 4/5 Energetic beat. I don't like that repeating "cinderella man" though. The beat is pretty tight though and Em is spitting. Whoever is singing on here has a tight voice though.
12. 25 to Life - 4.5/5 The girl singing on here has a really tight voice. The beat fits everything on here perfectly. Really like this.
13. So Bad - 2.75/5 Beat is tight, sounds like it could be Dre? Eminem doesn't sound good on this at all though. His voice/yelling is annoying on it. Yep, Em says its Dre here.
14. Almost Famous - 3.25/5 Girl on hook has an interesting voice. She's not that good though. Beat is pretty bangin. Khalil did his mothafuckin' thing on this LP.
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 4/5 Always liked Rihanna. Beat is pretty hot. Fuck it, I like this shit.
16. You're Never Over - 2.75/5 Em's singing is TERRIBLE. For a Proof dedication, this is disappointing. Oh man he really can't sing and that's really evident on here.
17. Bonus - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. Em's raps are stupid on here though.
Best tracks:
Going Through Changes
Talking to Myself
25 to Life
Cinderella Man
Space Bound
I Love the Way you Lie
Decent:
Cold Wind Blows
On Fire
Won't Back Down
Average/Bad:
WTP (avg)
Not Afraid (bad)
Seduction (bad)
No Love (avg)
So Bad (bad)
Almost Famous (avg)
You're Never Over (bad)
Bonus (bad)
Overall: 7/10
Overall, I think this is a better effort than both Relapse & Encore, which is a very good thing. The best songs on here may not all be on par with the best songs on Relapse such as Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu, Beautiful and Underground. But the consistency is the key here. There is not a single song on this album as bad as crap like My Mom, Insane, Bagpipes from Baghdad, Same Song & Dance, We Made You or Must be the Ganja. All of those Relapse songs I just mentioned sucked at best. If lucky, 2.5/5 songs.
This is an improvement IMO.
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no 5/5 songs on this one for u Luna....damn.
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I know its a matter of opinion but i don't get how I read a bunch of people on here bad mouthing other artists for doing music that sounds like every other typical radio friendly song and them eminem comes and bring a whole album out that sounds just that and everyone is praising how great this album is?
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6 songs in & im about 2 delete this work of shit :-X
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1. Cold Wind Blows - 4.25/5
2. Talkin' to Myself - 5/5
3. On Fire - 4/5
4. Won't Back Down - 3/5
5. W.T.P. - 3.75/5
6. Going though Changes - 4.5/5
7. Not Afraid - 3.75/5
8. Seduction - 3/5
9. No Love - 3.5/5
10. Space Bound - 4/5
11. Cinderella Man - 4/5
12. 25 to Life - 4.25/5
13. So Bad - 3.35/5
14. Almost Famous - 4.5/5
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 4/5
16. You're Never Over - 3.25/5
17. Bonus - 3.25 /5
This is like 8/10 for a modern day mainstream hip hop release.
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Talkin To Myself is fire! 2 for 2 so far 8)
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J.E., I got ya' on the review :D
1. Cold Wind Blows - 3.75/5 The beat is pretty good. I don't find his singing on here annoying. Pretty good opener.
2. Talkin' to Myself - 4.5/5 - This shit is fire. Khalil killed the beat and Kobe drops a classic hook. Love the honest Em on the first talkin' about almost dissin' Wayne & Kanye.
3. On Fire - 3.5/5 This beat is pretty banging. Em's flow is tight here too. Not much yelling on here. This is a pretty solid album joint.
4. Won't Back Down - 3.5/5 This beat keeps growing on me. It's so banging. I don't think the Pink feature is that random; she has that bad ass attitude that fits the song and its concept. It's a grower, not amazing, but not bad either.
5. W.T.P. - 3/5 Beat isn't bad. Hook is alright. It would get some plays in the club and on radio. Maybe a future single?
6. Going though Changes - 4.5/5 The sample is really tight. Eminem is spitting really nice on here too, really nice. Beat is tight too.
7. Not Afraid - 3/5 This is just boring to me. The beat, hook, verses, etc. - It's uplifting music but its boring.
8. Seduction - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. This stinks. It's getting old too.
9. No Love - 3.25/5 Interesting beat/sample. Beat picks up during the verses. Wayne's verse is decent. Em's hook is eyy. Em comes tight with the verses though. I don't know about this. It's kind of weird.
10. Space Bound - 4/5 Beat is good. Em is really spitting on here. Who is doing this hook? I can see some people finding it annoying but I think its pretty tight.
11. Cinderella Man - 4/5 Energetic beat. I don't like that repeating "cinderella man" though. The beat is pretty tight though and Em is spitting. Whoever is singing on here has a tight voice though.
12. 25 to Life - 4.5/5 The girl singing on here has a really tight voice. The beat fits everything on here perfectly. Really like this.
13. So Bad - 2.75/5 Beat is tight, sounds like it could be Dre? Eminem doesn't sound good on this at all though. His voice/yelling is annoying on it. Yep, Em says its Dre here.
14. Almost Famous - 3.25/5 Girl on hook has an interesting voice. She's not that good though. Beat is pretty bangin. Khalil did his mothafuckin' thing on this LP.
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 4/5 Always liked Rihanna. Beat is pretty hot. Fuck it, I like this shit.
16. You're Never Over - 2.75/5 Em's singing is TERRIBLE. For a Proof dedication, this is disappointing. Oh man he really can't sing and that's really evident on here.
17. Bonus - 2.5/5 Beat is ok. Em's raps are stupid on here though.
Best tracks:
Going Through Changes
Talking to Myself
25 to Life
Cinderella Man
Space Bound
I Love the Way you Lie
Decent:
Cold Wind Blows
On Fire
Won't Back Down
Average/Bad:
WTP (avg)
Not Afraid (bad)
Seduction (bad)
No Love (avg)
So Bad (bad)
Almost Famous (avg)
You're Never Over (bad)
Bonus (bad)
Overall: 7/10
Overall, I think this is a better effort than both Relapse & Encore, which is a very good thing. The best songs on here may not all be on par with the best songs on Relapse such as Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu, Beautiful and Underground. But the consistency is the key here. There is not a single song on this album as bad as crap like My Mom, Insane, Bagpipes from Baghdad, Same Song & Dance, We Made You or Must be the Ganja. All of those Relapse songs I just mentioned sucked at best. If lucky, 2.5/5 songs.
This is an improvement IMO.
So Bad is one of the best tracks, instrumental is crazy...I'm pretty sure it's a beat from the Relapse sessions. And the Pink track a grower?
Cmon Luna, you're a luna for this one!
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no 5/5 songs on this one for u Luna....damn.
Talkin to Myself or Going Through Changes could easily be bumped to a 5/5
Professor: What's so good about "So Bad" besides the Dre beat? To me, it's this song is tied with You're Never Alone as Em's worst vocal performance on the album.
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1. Cold Wind Blows - 4/5
2. Talkin' to Myself - 4.5/5
3. On Fire - 4/5
4. Won't Back Down - 2/5
5. W.T.P. - 4/5
6. Going though Changes - 4/5
7. Not Afraid - 2/5
8. Seduction - 4.5/5
9. No Love - 3.5/5
10. Space Bound - 4/5
11. Cinderella Man - 3/5
12. 25 to Life - 4.5/5
13. So Bad - 4/5
14. Almost Famous - 4/5
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 3.5/5
16. You're Never Over - 3.5/5
17. Here We Go - 2/5
Without the following the album could've been one of the best albums ever made:
- Too much of Em's singing
- Em's anger (it's like he's on his period on every song, I really enjoy his lyricism but sometimes he needs to chill, it gives me a headache)
- Pink track, the last track, and Not Afraid's beat are crap.
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i like it, good album. nuff said. dont over-analyze too much lol.
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^^^ Word Ozzie sounds dope on that hook!
Listening to this album last night Albums sounded a lot doper 2nd time around, a lot more introspective than I intially thought.
I couldn't help but think how huge this album is gonna be, so many cross over singles on there. If dre wanted/needed promo for Detox he shoulda jumped on that joint with Rihanna, that songs gonna be huge.
That "Almost Famous" gives me a Havoc vibe, anyone know who produced it?
Very good beat, sounds like Dj Khalil and New Royales to me.
Definitely could be, either way I could imagine Hav and P murking it
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i like it, good album. nuff said. dont over-analyze too much lol.
You're right.
But I realized one thing: when you put the album next to Relapse you realize how incredibly dope Relapse is (except the accent)...it's just the fact that Dr. Dre's invisible hand not only produced almost all songs, he was the executive producer as well, they both jammed and recorded the album together...it's consistent, just as a true classic should be. Not the case with Recovery.
Imagine Recovery's subject matter, Eminem minus the too much singing AND accent + Dre on the boards: best. album. ever.
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i like it, good album. nuff said. dont over-analyze too much lol.
You're right.
But I realized one thing: when you put the album next to Relapse you realize how incredibly dope Relapse is (except the accent)...it's just the fact that Dr. Dre's invisible hand not only produced almost all songs, he was the executive producer as well, they both jammed and recorded the album together...it's consistent, just as a true classic should be. Not the case with Recovery.
Imagine Recovery's subject matter, Eminem minus the too much singing AND accent + Dre on the boards: best. album. ever.
No doubt homie, Em's trashing that album way to much, production was on some other shit for real. Em on his A game plus those beats = 5 mics
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i think you guys are hitting the production pretty hard; sure it's not Dre & it's not mixed by Dre.
but what are these "poor beats"? i'm failing to hear them.
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i like it, good album. nuff said. dont over-analyze too much lol.
You're right.
But I realized one thing: when you put the album next to Relapse you realize how incredibly dope Relapse is (except the accent)...it's just the fact that Dr. Dre's invisible hand not only produced almost all songs, he was the executive producer as well, they both jammed and recorded the album together...it's consistent, just as a true classic should be. Not the case with Recovery.
Im with you on that too bro. relapse also sounded like nothing thats been put out and recovery sounds like every other album thats being distributed at the moment.
Imagine Recovery's subject matter, Eminem minus the too much singing AND accent + Dre on the boards: best. album. ever.
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let it be known its a pretty average album maybe a bit better than relapse. relapse with the cleaner sounding production. sounds pretty forced most of the time, those bonus tracks from relapse (my darling, be careful what you wish for and deja vu too) are prolly his best new material.
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1. Cold Wind Blows - 4.25/5
2. Talkin' to Myself - 4/5
3. On Fire - 4/5
4. Won't Back Down - 3/5
5. W.T.P. - 3.75/5 (track would be ill if not for the chorus!!)
6. Going though Changes - 4.5/5
7. Not Afraid - 3.75/5
8. Seduction - 3/5
9. No Love - 3.5/5
10. Space Bound - 2.5/5 wtf come on
11. Cinderella Man - 3/5 horrible chorus or it would be ill
12. 25 to Life - 4.25/5
13. So Bad - 4.5/5 the accent is back!! this is def a relapse leftover. wish we had more dre beats!
14. Almost Famous - 4.5/5
15. I Love the Way you Lie - 3/5 wtf...but its not THAT bad
16. You're Never Over - 2/5 ugh.
17. Bonus - 5 /5 Best track!! yeah havik!!! em went off
best tracks: untitled, almost famous, so bad, 25 to life, going thru changes, on fire, cold wind blows, talking to myself so damn..... pretty solid with 9 REAL good songs!
my ratings come out to about a 7.3/10
we will see if it grows on me more, but streetlights scored almost a 9/10 after i made the 1.5 version with all the leftovers....l hmmmmm
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anyone notice going through this thread that everybody has different tastes in songs?
some of you are praising one song as the best on the album, giving it 4.5/5 & some of you are saying that exact song sucks & it's a 2.5/5.
it's quite clear that he's got something for everyone on this album; a few people said he sounds the same on everything, but obviously not if there is such a wide variety of "best song" on the album; it usually seems to be clear cut or at most between two or three songs.
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i'm surprised no one was keen enough to either notice or mention the slight homage to jay-z's 'awe' vocalization on seduction. that shit is so jay-z lol! :laugh:
this album is solid, definitely has something for everybody. 8)
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I know its a matter of opinion but i don't get how I read a bunch of people on here bad mouthing other artists for doing music that sounds like every other typical radio friendly song and them eminem comes and bring a whole album out that sounds just that and everyone is praising how great this album is?
It's obvious what's going on, but let's come back in about a month when this album's been forgotten. Next album Em will try to disown this album and distance himself from it as he does with each consecutive album his puts out these days. Kokane struggles to get a three-page thread in here (a Westcoast forum no less!) with Gimme All Mine while Em easily gets 10+ pages...when Kokane's album is actually far more substantive and inspirational and creative and enjoyable.
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Okay, as much as I praised this album so much before it even released, I will now say I will only be keeping Not Afraid and 25 To Life (Talkin 2 Myself maybe) after 2 weeks. That is some non-bias for ya. (I didn't keep any songs off Relapse mind you). Alot of the songs lack focus, and that's pretty much all I can say about them.
My final comment:
Kobe is such an average ass singer.
I'll add one more:
I have switched my stance on who's running the Hip-Hop game right now in terms of production. Just Blaze is dethroned officially and (like many of yall have been saying for a year?) DJ KHALIL has this shit on lock.. Y'all right!
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Only 3 good tracks
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I challenge someone to give me a concept for each of the songs on the Recovery. Talking about lyrics too, so don't give me no "Em just having fun spittin deadly rhymes on a club banger". I want you to listen to the lyrics, and give me the message Em is trying to portray with each song..
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Having heard it again and just checkin it again, its definately a step up from relapse and encore...which to be honest shouldnt really take much of an effort at all for someone of eminems calibre. He sounds alot better on the mic and its more focused. I kinda agree with luna, with the 7/10 rating...just not on where he puts the songs. Ima put up a quick review in a second.
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Anyone saying this is worse than Relapse is
1) crazy
2) In love with Dr. Dre beats
3) On Dr. Dre's dick
4) see options 2 & 3
Yes, I love Dre, he's the greatest producer of all time. Yes, his production performance on Relapse was unbelievable. Yes, it sucks this only has one Dre beat. But the rapper itself is STILL and ALWAYS WILL BE more important than the production, and Eminem was a TERRIBLE rapper on Relapse and he ruined it. Eminem sounds way better on this, and this is definitely better than Relapse.
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tell me not, he's got some sick wordplay/metaphors thoughout this.
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On a side note, dres production on eminems first two albums was brilliant, agree though ever since eminem show, dres work with eminem has not been great at all.
Really? You didn't like Relapse's production? That had to have been one of the best produced rap albums of the decade! Just the way it was so theatrically/dark sounding, all flowing together and just plain sounded miles ahead of everything else to me. And THAT is Dre's new sound by the way, for anyone thinking he's still on all that piano/strings shit.
No sir relapse is not even one of the better produced cds to come out of aftermath and its affiliates camp. I really never understood how some hardcore eminem fans come to that conclusion. I never EVER hear anyone praise the production of relapse past a few people who aint heard nothing past an aftermath shady cd and really, its not even close to the best shit produced in the last decade. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Thats almost an insult to some of the greater shit produced this decade.
The production on relapse is solid, pretty much all the way through and its clean, noone doubts dre as a mixer but the beats on relapse, is just dre remaking beats his done before just either not as good because its been done before. Some of the better production on there like stay wide awake sounds like something that would come out of the obie trice debut/gunit era and before anyone says im hating on it, i loved the beat to stay wide awake. But its not some of the better shit of the decade when dre done did better himself many times over the decade. even other beats like insane, the final joint etc...thats shit he done tried with stat quo already. The production is decent on relapse but the album is garbage and if it was so strong it'd hold the album up still to look pretty decent but it cant even do that. That how i see it anyway. :) Ima huge dre fan by the way but im critical without bias when it comes to any cat.
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Here's some more commentary from someone who does not really enjoy this album.
My issue isn't that he's trying to prove that he is the best in the game. I think he did it perfectly on Forever and Drop The World. My issue is the execution and how it works in the album. It all feels forced. The perfect get up to show how talented he is. It doesn't feel natural.
There's too many moments where it feels like he's making announcements of "Hey, I'm back and I'm really good. Pay attention here" and not enough moments of "Damn, did he just do that!?!!" Too much telling (Hey, guys, I just want to thank my fans...I was high on drugs for Encore, and recovering on Relapse....blah blah blah... i'm back", not enough showing (he showed up on Forever and murdered it.)
The album is such a mix bag of tricks. I'm not disputing his flow or vocal talent. I just don't like the approach he chose. Too many whiny vocal choruses, too many aggressive approach to tracks that should've been toned down. There's just too much, "I don't care what you think but guess what I really do."
What I gathered from this album is that he misses being number 1 because he was high off drugs when he was. Hell, his Proof commentary isn't even memorable. It's more fitting that he admits he can't create a track about Proof then attempting to do so and releasing a half-assed one for the public to jerk off to.
Not Afraid is not dope music like Lose Yourself. Hell, it's not even dope music like Beautiful.
Note: I thought Relapse was a dope concept album until Eminem admitted it wasn't one. So, from that perspective it's a complete failure. It wasn't funny, it was disturbing and sick (which would have made a great metaphor on how serious drug issues are but since it isn't one, it's a complete failure.)
I'm a known defender of Encore because I find it to be genuinely raw and emotional about his life and his career (past, present, and future).
If I were to summarize this album, I'd say it's got the perfect get up to show why Eminem is supposed to be one of the greats but it's soulless. I can't feel it which is oddly disappointing because I thought he was going to swing it out the park based on his recent guest features of Forever & Drop the World. Both of those tracks did everything right that this album didn't.
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Tracks I think are :o :
Talking To Myself
Cindarella Man
Tracks I think are 8) :
Seduction
No Love
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1. "Cold Wind Blows" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" (featuring Kobe) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
3. "On Fire" [Prod. By Mr. Porter]
4. "Won't Back Down" (featuring Pink) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
5. "W.T.P." [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
6. "Going Through Changes" [Prod. By Emile]
7. "Not Afraid" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
8. "Seduction" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
9. "No Love" (featuring Lil Wayne) [Prod. By Just Blaze]
10. "Space Bound" [Prod. By Jim Jonsin]
11. "Cinderella Man" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
12. "25 to Life" [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
13. "So Bad" [Prod. By Dr. Dre]
14. "Almost Famous" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
15. "Love the Way You Lie" (featuring Rihanna) [Prod. By Alex Da Kid]
16. "You're Never Over" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
17. "Here We Go"(Untitled) [Prod. By Havoc]
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Here's some more commentary from someone who does not really enjoy this album.
My issue isn't that he's trying to prove that he is the best in the game. I think he did it perfectly on Forever and Drop The World. My issue is the execution and how it works in the album. It all feels forced. The perfect get up to show how talented he is. It doesn't feel natural.
There's too many moments where it feels like he's making announcements of "Hey, I'm back and I'm really good. Pay attention here" and not enough moments of "Damn, did he just do that!?!!" Too much telling (Hey, guys, I just want to thank my fans...I was high on drugs for Encore, and recovering on Relapse....blah blah blah... i'm back", not enough showing (he showed up on Forever and murdered it.)
The album is such a mix bag of tricks. I'm not disputing his flow or vocal talent. I just don't like the approach he chose. Too many whiny vocal choruses, too many aggressive approach to tracks that should've been toned down. There's just too much, "I don't care what you think but guess what I really do."
What I gathered from this album is that he misses being number 1 because he was high off drugs when he was. Hell, his Proof commentary isn't even memorable. It's more fitting that he admits he can't create a track about Proof then attempting to do so and releasing a half-assed one for the public to jerk off to.
Not Afraid is not dope music like Lose Yourself. Hell, it's not even dope music like Beautiful.
Note: I thought Relapse was a dope concept album until Eminem admitted it wasn't one. So, from that perspective it's a complete failure. It wasn't funny, it was disturbing and sick (which would have made a great metaphor on how serious drug issues are but since it isn't one, it's a complete failure.)
I'm a known defender of Encore because I find it to be genuinely raw and emotional about his life and his career (past, present, and future).
If I were to summarize this album, I'd say it's got the perfect get up to show why Eminem is supposed to be one of the greats but it's soulless. I can't feel it which is oddly disappointing because I thought he was going to swing it out the park based on his recent guest features of Forever & Drop the World. Both of those tracks did everything right that this album didn't.
i don't want to come across too defensive, because i've defended this album throughout the thread, but it sounds like you expected some sort of classic here.
comparing anything on this to "Lose Yourself"? you openly admit you like Encore, but NOTHING on that album, not even anything on The Eminem Show compares to "Lose Yourself"; that's arguably one of his best songs; one of raps best songs.
"Beautiful" is probably better than everything on Encore too.
i agree the Proof tribute track is just weak; i'm very upset i waited years on that.
but other than that, your entire argument against the album is something you can't even physically prove or evaluate, "it's soulless/i can't feel it".
i can understand if you don't like the singing or the aggressive flow, but to say there is no heart in the music, that's purely a personal thing.
& it seems like the other half of complaints (not you Action!) for this album are getting back to what Luna touched on, the lack of Dr. Dre; i honestly feel if the beats were identical to what they are now & it was said that they were all produced by Dre & Dre took "another approach" & experimented with some sounds, the hate on the production & the overall album would be gone.
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how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
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how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
dude plz gtfo!!!
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On a side note, dres production on eminems first two albums was brilliant, agree though ever since eminem show, dres work with eminem has not been great at all.
Really? You didn't like Relapse's production? That had to have been one of the best produced rap albums of the decade! Just the way it was so theatrically/dark sounding, all flowing together and just plain sounded miles ahead of everything else to me. And THAT is Dre's new sound by the way, for anyone thinking he's still on all that piano/strings shit.
No sir relapse is not even one of the better produced cds to come out of aftermath and its affiliates camp. I really never understood how some hardcore eminem fans come to that conclusion. I never EVER hear anyone praise the production of relapse past a few people who aint heard nothing past an aftermath shady cd and really, its not even close to the best shit produced in the last decade. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Thats almost an insult to some of the greater shit produced this decade.
The production on relapse is solid, pretty much all the way through and its clean, noone doubts dre as a mixer but the beats on relapse, is just dre remaking beats his done before just either not as good because its been done before. Some of the better production on there like stay wide awake sounds like something that would come out of the obie trice debut/gunit era and before anyone says im hating on it, i loved the beat to stay wide awake. But its not some of the better shit of the decade when dre done did better himself many times over the decade. even other beats like insane, the final joint etc...thats shit he done tried with stat quo already. The production is decent on relapse but the album is garbage and if it was so strong it'd hold the album up still to look pretty decent but it cant even do that. That how i see it anyway. :) Ima huge dre fan by the way but im critical without bias when it comes to any cat.
I see where your coming from and I can respect that, but you gotta keep in mind, I was talking about the production as A WHOLE. There's not really any single track (although an argument could be made for Underground/Deja Vu/Stay Wide Awake) that was just THE SHIT and killed everything out there, it was the production from track 1 to the end, including the skits. It was like, when I was done with that CD, while it did suck because of Em, I was completely blown away by the production. For me, it's hard to name a CD in recent memory with production that I liked that much, and i've heard every major (and most non-major) albums from the past 5 years at least. It seems like every time Dre is the exec. of a cd it is classic or near (and supposeldy he was for this). But leave it to Dre and his team to come up with some crazy shit as usual,my only issue is why he had such little involvment with the actual album here (not talking behind the scenes, executive work). And NO i'm not a biased Dre fan by any means, I do tell it like it is, for example I like the Dre track on here, but really, it's nothing special at all. If, however, it WAS on Relapse, it probably would have fit in perfectly. And it probably was for Relapse 2, meaning Dre had little to no involvement in the creation of this...or did he? Who knows, I guess not.
Now, in terms of the production on this album. After a few listens, I like it more. I take back what I said about Just Blaze & Khalil
s production earlier. Cold Wind Blows is probably my favorite beat, with some of those Khalil ones (track 2 and another one) close up there. I guess when your a producer (I started this past year) you start to understand how hard these beats are actually to make and you gain a HUGE amount of respect for these guys, even the shittiest beats on here are pretty damn good in terms of skill-level.
EDIT - After seeing that pic...Dre was the exec...holy shit!! I don't know though, still seems odd that he would work on something like this, I guess he didn't have that much involvment (see 50 Cent's Curtis), but still, wasn't expecting that at all!
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how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
dude plz gtfo!!!
No bcuz it's not that serious. it's just music. we've ALL heard 10000000 Eminem tracks b4 it's nothing new. Son is either rapping about being depressed, popping pills, Kim, or sticking his dick in a faggots asshole. wow.... ::) let's make 100 pages about it from the same six people.
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how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
dude plz gtfo!!!
No bcuz it's not that serious. it's just music. we've ALL heard 10000000 Eminem tracks b4 it's nothing new. Son is either rapping about being depressed, popping pills, Kim, or sticking his dick in a faggots asshole. wow.... ::) let's make 100 pages about it from the same six people.
so you're telling people a "discussion" thread to not discuss?
actually forget just a discussion thread, you're telling people on a Hip Hop message board, that was created to DISCUSS music, to not discuss?
go back to that other forum you found Jaydc on; this guy.
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how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
dude plz gtfo!!!
No bcuz it's not that serious. it's just music. we've ALL heard 10000000 Eminem tracks b4 it's nothing new. Son is either rapping about being depressed, popping pills, Kim, or sticking his dick in a faggots asshole. wow.... ::) let's make 100 pages about it from the same six people.
each to his own! i enjoy reading thru the diversity of opinion, the feedback is one of the more intriguing aspects of NEW music.
i agree Em is NOT all that great & mostly his subject matter is mind-numbing, but nevertheless you've stated your opinion & dislike the thread, it's time for you do yourself a favor & just leave...
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1. "Cold Wind Blows" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" (featuring Kobe) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
3. "On Fire" [Prod. By Mr. Porter]
4. "Won't Back Down" (featuring Pink) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
5. "W.T.P." [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
6. "Going Through Changes" [Prod. By Emile]
7. "Not Afraid" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
8. "Seduction" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
9. "No Love" (featuring Lil Wayne) [Prod. By Just Blaze]
10. "Space Bound" [Prod. By Jim Jonsin]
11. "Cinderella Man" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
12. "25 to Life" [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
13. "So Bad" [Prod. By Dr. Dre]
14. "Almost Famous" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
15. "Love the Way You Lie" (featuring Rihanna) [Prod. By Alex Da Kid]
16. "You're Never Over" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
17. "Here We Go"(Untitled) [Prod. By Havoc]
Damn Blaze had heaps of different style beats on here
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the diversity of beats SLIGHTLY of reminds me of those on game's doctors advocate.
quiet a few dre sounding beats.
and...boi 1da's beat for seduction was way better than not afraid
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people will always try 2 come at a nigga for speaking that real shit. lol it works everytime. y'all really gotta stop lettin this 1st amendment/this is the internet shit cloud y'all judgment. but ur right tho homie, i'm done. i just can't stand fakewacknerd shit, it's like i can't help but makes jokes and regulate. i guess i'm way too real... but don't worry it's not just y'all, the white people and the haters fall victims 9/10 times too so it's ok.
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Here's some more commentary from someone who does not really enjoy this album.
My issue isn't that he's trying to prove that he is the best in the game. I think he did it perfectly on Forever and Drop The World. My issue is the execution and how it works in the album. It all feels forced. The perfect get up to show how talented he is. It doesn't feel natural.
There's too many moments where it feels like he's making announcements of "Hey, I'm back and I'm really good. Pay attention here" and not enough moments of "Damn, did he just do that!?!!" Too much telling (Hey, guys, I just want to thank my fans...I was high on drugs for Encore, and recovering on Relapse....blah blah blah... i'm back", not enough showing (he showed up on Forever and murdered it.)
The album is such a mix bag of tricks. I'm not disputing his flow or vocal talent. I just don't like the approach he chose. Too many whiny vocal choruses, too many aggressive approach to tracks that should've been toned down. There's just too much, "I don't care what you think but guess what I really do."
What I gathered from this album is that he misses being number 1 because he was high off drugs when he was. Hell, his Proof commentary isn't even memorable. It's more fitting that he admits he can't create a track about Proof then attempting to do so and releasing a half-assed one for the public to jerk off to.
Not Afraid is not dope music like Lose Yourself. Hell, it's not even dope music like Beautiful.
Note: I thought Relapse was a dope concept album until Eminem admitted it wasn't one. So, from that perspective it's a complete failure. It wasn't funny, it was disturbing and sick (which would have made a great metaphor on how serious drug issues are but since it isn't one, it's a complete failure.)
I'm a known defender of Encore because I find it to be genuinely raw and emotional about his life and his career (past, present, and future).
If I were to summarize this album, I'd say it's got the perfect get up to show why Eminem is supposed to be one of the greats but it's soulless. I can't feel it which is oddly disappointing because I thought he was going to swing it out the park based on his recent guest features of Forever & Drop the World. Both of those tracks did everything right that this album didn't.
i don't want to come across too defensive, because i've defended this album throughout the thread, but it sounds like you expected some sort of classic here.
comparing anything on this to "Lose Yourself"? you openly admit you like Encore, but NOTHING on that album, not even anything on The Eminem Show compares to "Lose Yourself"; that's arguably one of his best songs; one of raps best songs.
"Beautiful" is probably better than everything on Encore too.
i agree the Proof tribute track is just weak; i'm very upset i waited years on that.
but other than that, your entire argument against the album is something you can't even physically prove or evaluate, "it's soulless/i can't feel it".
i can understand if you don't like the singing or the aggressive flow, but to say there is no heart in the music, that's purely a personal thing.
& it seems like the other half of complaints (not you Action!) for this album are getting back to what Luna touched on, the lack of Dr. Dre; i honestly feel if the beats were identical to what they are now & it was said that they were all produced by Dre & Dre took "another approach" & experimented with some sounds, the hate on the production & the overall album would be gone.
Cham, I'm not denying that what I don't like the album is something that I can't physically prove. I'm fully admitting to that. Hence, that's why I describe it as the perfect get up. He's got dope, or at the very worst, decent production from the top popular producers today. He's got the biggest rap star today, Lil Wayne. He's got huge pop names. It's dressed up as a classic album. Eminem even tells us it's supposed to be his ACTUAL come back. He's telling us but it doesn't feel that way. It all feels like an act, a way to impress an audience he lost touch with and was disappointed by Relapse.
Encore has soul. It's him admitting and showing the world he is lost, confused, and disinterested in hip-hop while reflecting on his life. Recovery is supposed to be his way of showing that it's his true love, he's back in, he's serious but I can't feel it because it's not genuine. It feels more like an album of him admitting his love for fame and popularity than it is an album of his love for hip-hop.
I chose Lose Yourself cause it's his best track but I could choose a handful of tracks from Eminem Show and Encore that feel more sincere than Recovery. Hence, why I mentioned Beuatiful.
Look, this thing I'm calling soul or spirit is very real. It's what makes us love certain tracks and sometimes certain albums from artists.
Examples:
Reks Bitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1sN3bTHeSw
Eminem Run Rabbit Run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20WlKWk5pc
Jay-Z Momma Loves Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glxkHJbPsxc
I'm not denying it's totally subjective, though I happen to think tracks with more soul and spirit tend to be more popular and appreciated. Drake's successful is a great example.
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Though, maybe I'm not quite grasping his thoughts on hip-hop which seem to be more of a "fuck you" i'm through with you but wait I'm the best and I'll diss a bunch of rappers but wait I was stupid to think I should diss rappers. Like, the album confuses me. He keeps threatening to diss people but then says it's not what he's about. I'm just left disinterested.
I've always been impressed by his mic presence so that's not even an issue I have with his ability. I've noticed he does switch it up on here.
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people will always try 2 come at a nigga for speaking that real shit. lol it works everytime. y'all really gotta stop lettin this 1st amendment/this is the internet shit cloud y'all judgment. but ur right tho homie, i'm done. i just can't stand fakewacknerd shit, it's like i can't help but makes jokes and regulate. i guess i'm way too real... but don't worry it's not just y'all, the white people and the haters fall victims 9/10 times too so it's ok.
lol, kinda sorta but not really. :laugh:
i suspect your seeking some sort of attention in all the wrong places... :-X
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1. Cold Wind Blows - 4/5 'Somethings just dont change' Like the way it starts and the beats real solid. This blaze? Khalil? Eminems first verse is actually pretty shitty. And the hook would be STRAIGHT FIRE if he got a nigga to do it and if he not want a brother on the hook, there even a few white cats with soul out there who could have done that hook for him. i actually think nate dogg would have been perfect for that hook. Oh-ah ah oh - No na na no- Dude sounds like a bitch doing that when that same idea could have been perfect had he got a cat like nate to do it. I know of nates problems but still...lol Nice start to the album still.
2. Talkin' to Myself - 3.75/4 Most overrated joint and hook ever. Joints nice and the beats solid and eminem comes okay. But really...i was expecting some next level shit from kobe when i was hearing y'all speaking of this. Eminem could have done this hook himself and it would have made no difference at all. Aint nothing about it at all. And im sure ive heard this hook before.
3. On Fire - 3/5 Kinda generic beat, sounds like the played out gunit sound. keys go well to it though and eminem not really saying shit but he aint bad at all either. The hook is terrible though.
4. Won't Back Down - 3.5/5 - Eminem kinda pulls off the rock vibe well. Aint my type of joint but dude sounds aggressive on this but i can give him a pass on this because the whole vibe of the joint is aggressive. Dude actually blends in just fine. Only complain i have is of the purpose of pink? She aint doing nothing on the hook. Nothing good, nothing bad. If he got pink on his joint, why not let her spit on the beat and wild out too?
5. W.T.P. - 4/5 Dude got a fire beat on this...Who did this? The drum pattern is straight and its got a nice club vibe to it. Eminem cant really spit to joints like this though. He aint never had rhythm BUT he almost pulls it off on this. Im glad he actually said its a white trash party cuz ima be real. Aint no nigga bumpin this in a club/party but with the hook which eminem pulls off, i guess i can see some white cats wildin out to this. Not bad at all for what it is. Just an eminem track where he tryna have fun. And he pulls it off better than he has in a long ass tme. I kinda think the hook is aite...this strictly remains only on dubcc though lol
6. Going though Changes - 3.5/5 - Might sound harsh because this sounds like some older eminem shit. He sounds focused, its honest and its all solid. BUT theres only so much moaning i can take from a dude. If you depressed, thats fucked up and shit but how many times u gon tell me homeboy? I can only take so much moaning lol and as solid as this joint is and it could easily be an eminem show joint, i just can't take 4-5 mins of eminem moaning about how 'difficult' his life is sometimes. This be one of them moments. Its a solid joint though. I guess its better than raping animals. If your a big eminem fan, i can see y'all liking this.
7. Not Afraid - 3.5/5. Atmospheric background to the beat but the snare really is overboard. Thought it was hella solid at first and it grew got played out quick as fuck. Nice to see eminem try something like this though going the inspirational route rather than the comical one for a change for a first single. Its about tryna be a man too. So not a bad track still.
8. Seduction - 3./5 I like the beat. Its got a nice vibe to it. Kinda chilled and this gone sound shady but a cat like drake could have made a hook for a joint like this memorable possibly. Eminem did it okay though but its not something which i would wanna check again.
9. No Love - 4.5/5 First real stand out joint. Production is daring with the sample but its creative and put together brillaintly with lil wayne and eminem and how it amps up as it gets further in. Dude should release this, its fire. Don't nobody hate on wayne on this by the way, he sounds perfect funnily even on the adilibs. Should make a vid to this! Eminem fully wilds out this too...dude really got his flow on this. Banging!
10. Space Bound - 4./5 This aint a bad at all actually and im not into these sorta joints from eminem with this sound but it goes really well. The drum pattern is nice and it kinda mixes well with the rock vibe. Hook is nice too. Eminems fan i can imagine loving this.
11. Cinderella Man - 3.75/5 - I like the beat and eminem spits nice even if he is kinda screaming over this and its kinda different and again its a nice experiment...Atleast whoever did this is being creative and tryna create good music. Not just a beat.
12. 25 to Life -3.75/5 Gotta strong guitar influence to this and it kinda sounds like something off lil waynes recent rock attempt. Its not bad at all. The beats kinda got some funky shit going on in it and the hook is kinda calm...it kinda goes well on this album...gives you a second to relax lol...
13. So Bad - 2.5 dre still using them horns? For fuckkk sake dre, step the fuck up! The beats nice dont get me wrong, but this shit is the kinda shit dre was making when truth hurts album dropped! Go check the first beat off truthfully speaking! Really dre...I hope you just passing shit like this on cuz you getting some futuristic westcoastt funk saved for detox lol by the way eminem sounds like shit on this...hook is such garbage ..eminem cant pull off a hook like that
14. Almost Famous - 5/5 Best beat on the album. Hooks fire, don't know whos spitting it but the woman pulls it off and its almost kinda funk in a weird poppy sorta way. I aint joking, this shit is HEAT! I was convinced dre did this but i think someone said khalil did this earlier. Hugely impressed, i knew dude was good almost all the time and sometimes really good/great but this is just great music. I love eminems flow on this too.
15. I Love the Way you Lie 3/5 - Rihianna feature but again i don't get it. Is this what he wanted her for? How about letting her be her on a joint if u going to get her instead of for a hook you could have got anyone for kinda like the pink feature. Let her spit if you gon get her! This some generic ass hook he could have got anyone for. Not saying its a bad hook because she sound good but a superstar feature which adds nothing, makes no sense to me on an eminem album.
16. You're Never Over - 2.5/5 i couldnt get to the end because of the hook. lol He could have got carlton off will smith to drop a better hook.
17. Bonus - 3.5/5 - Havoc joint, its got a nice hook, reminds me of something off kill bill lol ;-) and the beats got some crazy shit going on it and eminems spitting nice but its not something im really listening and its not good enough musically as a song to get a pass fully like that either.
Overall!!
I think this is easily eminems best effort in a long long time. Dude actually impressed me on this. He aint the same cat who spit on mmlp and sslp because he was hungry, young and fresh and new back then and everything coming out then was stronger and he was tearing it up back then. And then he dropped albums like encore which sounded so washed up and he sounded completely a new dude on the mic, like fully lost. And then relapse which sound like he was REALLY fucked up. Even if at times he flow was crazy. But on this dude sounds like he has found a flow which fits for him and is able to flow with it to nice lines, like dude aint wilding out to the proportion on relapse and sounds alot fresher than on encore. Im pleasantly impressed. The hooks aint memorable mostly however. He could have done with someone helping him out there but i dont mind him being abit vocal at times in rhyme because it kinda fits his style and this is definately a step up. I dont know who produced the music mostly but the new cats younger and fresher definately gave eminem some new fuel imo and it helped. I aint got no doubt about that whatsoever. I think its a solid cd. Best i heard eminem in AGES. I definately wasnt expecting this and its got some joints i'll check past having as an album like where it goes into my my playlist like almost famous and a few others...
Not bad at all...
I don't know what my scores average out as but i dont really work it like that anyway for me.
For me its somewhere between a 7-8/10 album. In todays market in whats coming out in shops as albums, this is pretty solid.
Congrats to eminem to stepping up lol
Oh and on a side note...lmao@virtuoso and dre day lol :D ''even lyrical g likes it'' haha...y'all aint the only ones suprised!
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Listening now, got no expectations.
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people will always try 2 come at a nigga for speaking that real shit. lol it works everytime. y'all really gotta stop lettin this 1st amendment/this is the internet shit cloud y'all judgment. but ur right tho homie, i'm done. i just can't stand fakewacknerd shit, it's like i can't help but makes jokes and regulate. i guess i'm way too real... but don't worry it's not just y'all, the white people and the haters fall victims 9/10 times too so it's ok.
lol, kinda sorta but not really. :laugh:
i suspect your seeking some sort of attention in all the wrong places... :-X
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when will people realize that everytime somebody says something on the internet ITS NOT 4 ATTENTION. I already KNOW i'ma get attention 4 whatever i say on here especially regardless so that attention seeking this doesn't apply to me, i wouldn't give a fuck if it didn't. i mean c'mon now we're 9 pages deep on this album which is supposidly AVERAGE or Horrible. get tha fuck over tha fact that it's Eminem already. Y'all stay pressing the issue and worried about what ChamillitaryClick thinks or whoever thinks when it doesn't even fuckin' matter in the 1st place, it's really all up 2 u. The shit just makes y'all look like a buncha lonely bastards and not like some HipHop know-it-alls or whatever tha fuck y'all r aiming for in the 1st place. AHHHHH!!! lol, it's an ok album by a barely more than ok Rapper who may be the 1st of his kind really but tha album and artist isn't anything special. Say what u want about Eminem but if it wasn't for the FACT that he's white and on a SUPER MAJOR LABEL he wouldn't be anything this attention worthy. Hate it or not it's the truth, agree with me or not it's the truth. He'll get his buzz and accolades no matter what (and i'll ALWAYS give him his props) but really tho he's nothing special anymore.
He lost his shock value/uniqueness when Encore dropped, matter of fact i'll give him a pas on Encore, he lost his Attention-Value when he dropped that SlimShadyCompilation. if u know HipHop like i know HipHop and don't base shit all around who somebody is then you'll know what i'm talking about. me personally i don't give a fuck about who a rapper is or what they accomplish, i base my shit off facts and skills, not bcuz they're some huge superstar. I would call Pac's shit like it was if the nigga was still droppin' records. i ain't hatin' or 1 of those super analitical/judgment muthafuckaz (in a way i guess i am but i'm not) i just call it like i see it, whether everybody agrees or not. it's my opinion but i MAKE SURE my opinion bares mostly truth to it, i know how opinions and people can be so I keep that in my mind EVERYTIME i write something.
Eminem is old dog, he's nobody or ever was anybody to keep up with like a Mobb Deep or a whoever would fall in that category. He was the shit when he 1st came out but everything he's been dropping this past couple of years is nothing I'll be playing 10-20 years from now. Maybe some of the shit he did back in the 97-03 time frame but nothing new. No matter how long it's gonna be since after he dropped it that shit still won't change my mind. NONE of this shit is like Wine, maybe a couple tracks r (maybe) but that's it. I'm not generalizing or being nieve or biased but like i said i gotta call it like i see. there's nothing that makes me wanna play the shit over and over again. i haven't even listened to Relapse since last summer. i've heard some of it in between times playing some songs on youtube but that's it. Eminem isn't anything special anymore, there's a some white boys out there that can compete with him.
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people will always try 2 come at a nigga for speaking that real shit. lol it works everytime. y'all really gotta stop lettin this 1st amendment/this is the internet shit cloud y'all judgment. but ur right tho homie, i'm done. i just can't stand fakewacknerd shit, it's like i can't help but makes jokes and regulate. i guess i'm way too real... but don't worry it's not just y'all, the white people and the haters fall victims 9/10 times too so it's ok.
lol, kinda sorta but not really. :laugh:
i suspect your seeking some sort of attention in all the wrong places... :-X
Ignore him, Radiotube is just trolling.
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Oh and i just realised the production credits list, dj khalil did his thing but just blaze, the best producer and most rounded producer on the cd no question about it right now imo.
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Damn Action I agree with your perspective of this album but awfully hard to give you credit when you say you praised relapse until eminem himself said it sucks so now you think its a failure too. You changing your opinion on a album just cause another man says its not good?
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LOL @ the DubCC mods tryna play me and delete my post and try 2 shut me out. that's a big LMAO! (a badge of honor really) but fact remains "K.Dub" if i'm only trolling then you're folding. Eminem is corny now, get over it and stop over analyzing the shit. face it, he's just not that great anymore no matter how tight he puts his words together. Even Pac would've gotten to this status 1 day, shiiit, look at Dr. Dre, for every "praise Dr. Dre reply/thread" u get there's always 3 more "fuck Dr. Dre threads" u get. don't get mad at me bcuz i'm not a groupie.
watch me get banned for keepin it "g" :P like i said not everybody is looking 4 attention. i could care less about y'all, y'all take y'allselves way too serious if u think that I actually do care LOL!
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Damn Action I agree with your perspective of this album but awfully hard to give you credit when you say you praised relapse until eminem himself said it sucks so now you think its a failure too. You changing your opinion on a album just cause another man says its not good?
It's not that Eminem said Relapse sucks. It's that he said it was a way of telling jokes. He said that was his sole intent. Okay? I viewed it as a concept album. I clearly didn't understand his objective in creating the music. So, in that respect, it's a complete failure and I can't enjoy (from the perspective of a concept album) because the original artist (eminem) never intended it to be that.
Basically, my interpretation of his music was wrong and I'm not afraid to admit that. Therefore, knowing his intent with the music changes my perspective and I have to re-evaluate it.
Eminem also dismissed Encore as him being on drugs but he didn't come out and do a take back or explain his intent when creating it like he did with Relapse.
That's why it's often best that artists don't comment on their work and leave it open to interpretation.
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And, it's not just some other man. It's the ARTIST who created the ART. I think most people would reflect differently on art if artist explained why and the objective of their art. Imagine if Drake came out and said he's gay. People would re-evaluate Best I Ever Had.
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LOL @ the DubCC mods tryna play me and delete my post and try 2 shut me out. that's a big LMAO! (a badge of honor really) but fact remains "K.Dub" if i'm only trolling then you're folding.
I haven't altered one of your posts in this thread and that's a fact.
Anyway, back to topic, what the fuck is that beat and sample on No Love?! Shit like that makes me throw up, haha.
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By the way Cham, i know you're a huge eminem fan and i been shitting on your hero for a long ass time for real reasons past 'hating!' but yo...you gotta be suprised at my review ;)
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lol @ K."Dubb"
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Anyway, back to topic, what the fuck is that beat and sample on No Love?! Shit like that makes me throw up, haha.
Just listened to that song. Why in god's name would anyone want to sample What is Love? That's one of those songs from the 90s that no one is supposed to bring up ever again. Damn now I'm remembering all those other crappy technoish "dance" tracks that came out around the same time. There were a fuck load of them. Just Blaze takes a major L for this one. Next he's going to sample La Bouche (look them up at your own risk)
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That's why it's often best that artists don't comment on their work and leave it open to interpretation.
good point hommie!
i totally agree that's a pivotal point in regards to the public perception of Relapse through what Eminem say about it himself.
when Relapse dropped i followed it mainly for the sake of Dr. Dre's heavy presence on that album. even then i really couldn't complain too much about what Em did to it.
but certainly in retrospect I've come to the conclusion that for the most part the album was vocally botched by Em... too many wack accents & repetitive subject matter that was only spruced w/ interesting word-play & metaphors that came in every now & then. but nevertheless that album could've been on some MMLP status.
imo Recovery is an 8 out of 10 and i say eight cuz surprisingly the production was pretty much :o through out the album, despite the lack of Dre. to be honest i was expecting an album on the production scale of Relapse but instead of accents we'd get a sober/clearer Eminem spitting hard. instead we get Recovery which is okay, definitely not what i wanted.
this is a little off topic but since Em is shitting on Relapse, wouldn't that prompt a release of an official Instrumental album, as to not let it's work or existence go to waste completely in vain?
beside we need more LOSSLESS OFFICIAL INSTRUMENTALS to listen to in our super expensive Beats By Dr. Dre Headphones, right? lol :laugh:
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Anyway, back to topic, what the fuck is that beat and sample on No Love?! Shit like that makes me throw up, haha.
Just listened to that song. Why in god's name would anyone want to sample What is Love? That's one of those songs from the 90s that no one is supposed to bring up ever again. Damn now I'm remembering all those other crappy technoish "dance" tracks that came out around the same time. There were a fuck load of them. Just Blaze takes a major L for this one. Next he's going to sample La Bouche (look them up at your own risk)
Exactly, Eurodance should stay back in the 90's. Fuck that shit.
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this is a little off topic but since Em is shitting on Relapse, wouldn't that prompt a release of an official Instrumental album, as to not let it's work or existence go to waste completely in vain?
beside we need more LOSSLESS OFFICIAL INSTRUMENTALS to listen to in our super expensive Beats By Dr. Dre Headphones, right? lol :laugh:
Even better, he should take the Relapse instrumentals and record a new album with them, this time putting some effort into it.
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this is a little off topic but since Em is shitting on Relapse, wouldn't that prompt a release of an official Instrumental album, as to not let it's work or existence go to waste completely in vain?
beside we need more LOSSLESS OFFICIAL INSTRUMENTALS to listen to in our super expensive Beats By Dr. Dre Headphones, right? lol :laugh:
Even better, he should take the Relapse instrumentals and record a new album with them, this time putting some effort into it.
Good idea.
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this is a little off topic but since Em is shitting on Relapse, wouldn't that prompt a release of an official Instrumental album, as to not let it's work or existence go to waste completely in vain?
beside we need more LOSSLESS OFFICIAL INSTRUMENTALS to listen to in our super expensive Beats By Dr. Dre Headphones, right? lol :laugh:
Even better, he should take the Relapse instrumentals and record a new album with them, this time putting some effort into it.
Good idea.
:D :laugh: Fuck Yeah, Real Talk!
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Eminem is corny now, get over it and stop over analyzing the shit. face it, he's just not that great anymore no matter how tight he puts his words together. Even Pac would've gotten to this status 1 day
word. i know there are some folks who like it and thats cool, but i get the impression a lot of folks arleady decide theyre going to like the new eminem album before they even hear it just cause they a fan.
i had high hopes for this album because of a) the production credits and b) em sayin relapse sucked and this is his real 'comeback'. but im willing to admit em is tired now and he just doesnt have it. its like those guitar players that have a lot of skill, they can play really fast etc. but can those fuckers right a good song anymore? no. and its just like em. em has the talent but he doesnt have the fire or the ability to make a good album anymore.
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Eminem is corny now, get over it and stop over analyzing the shit. face it, he's just not that great anymore no matter how tight he puts his words together. Even Pac would've gotten to this status 1 day
^ lol, true. Eminem has drop many gems, but for me, he f'd up with all the corny comedy rap, never liked that shit. Kinda agree with Pac, Snoop fallen off..... but Cube still going strong, plus you know how much of a workhorse Pac was, so I dunno.
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
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Album is dope. only track i skipped is that with Pink. Rihanna joint could be a single. Proof track could be better,hook is teribel on that track.
For me album is 4/5... some greate tracks on there.
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1. "Cold Wind Blows" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" (featuring Kobe) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
3. "On Fire" [Prod. By Mr. Porter]
4. "Won't Back Down" (featuring Pink) [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
5. "W.T.P." [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
6. "Going Through Changes" [Prod. By Emile]
7. "Not Afraid" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
8. "Seduction" [Prod. By Boi-1da]
9. "No Love" (featuring Lil Wayne) [Prod. By Just Blaze]
10. "Space Bound" [Prod. By Jim Jonsin]
11. "Cinderella Man" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
12. "25 to Life" [Prod. By DJ Khalil]
13. "So Bad" [Prod. By Dr. Dre]
14. "Almost Famous" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
15. "Love the Way You Lie" (featuring Rihanna) [Prod. By Alex Da Kid]
16. "You're Never Over" [Prod. By Just Blaze]
17. "Here We Go"(Untitled) [Prod. By Havoc]
executive producer Dr.Dre?
in that case, he didn't do a great job(based on what i've heard so far, haven't heard the whole album)
Overall!!
I think this is easily eminems best effort in a long long time. Dude actually impressed me on this. He aint the same cat who spit on mmlp and sslp because he was hungry, young and fresh and new back then and everything coming out then was stronger and he was tearing it up back then. And then he dropped albums like encore which sounded so washed up and he sounded completely a new dude on the mic, like fully lost. And then relapse which sound like he was REALLY fucked up. Even if at times he flow was crazy. But on this dude sounds like he has found a flow which fits for him and is able to flow with it to nice lines, like dude aint wilding out to the proportion on relapse and sounds alot fresher than on encore. Im pleasantly impressed. The hooks aint memorable mostly however. He could have done with someone helping him out there but i dont mind him being abit vocal at times in rhyme because it kinda fits his style and this is definately a step up. I dont know who produced the music mostly but the new cats younger and fresher definately gave eminem some new fuel imo and it helped. I aint got no doubt about that whatsoever. I think its a solid cd. Best i heard eminem in AGES. I definately wasnt expecting this and its got some joints i'll check past having as an album like where it goes into my my playlist like almost famous and a few others...
Not bad at all...
I don't know what my scores average out as but i dont really work it like that anyway for me.
For me its somewhere between a 7-8/10 album. In todays market in whats coming out in shops as albums, this is pretty solid.
Congrats to eminem to stepping up lol
Oh and on a side note...lmao@virtuoso and dre day lol :D ''even lyrical g likes it'' haha...y'all aint the only ones suprised!
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:D props on the detailed review, you were really honest and i appreciate that
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No Love !!!!!
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No Love and Almost Famous 8) My favourite two joints off the album. Best tracks imo, them two joints be straight heat! The lil wayne joint could probably be kinda big imo if they released it.
Blaze is a beast...and dudes daring sampling like he did on no love lol but it goes perfect.
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
LyRiCaL_G, i was feelin' the review. ;)
anybody else find it funny that literally a page ago Radiotube went on a rant saying "lol at y'all lamez listening to otha pplz opinions, rah, rah, rah" & now for probably the eighth time in the thread he's expressed his opinion. :D
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clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
nah nah, for some people it might be true but i think you are writing off any valid criticisms people might have. i have no bias on the artist, if its good ill like it, if its bad i wont. for example im a huge royce fan but im willing to admit bar exam 3 was a failure. if any single rap artist came out with this cd id have the exact same critiisms:
-the production was servicable but boring, more of a backdrop than a beat. now im sure this is what em wanted since normally all those producers come with heat, but its not something i enjoy.
-the hooks were weak and em had no place to be singing as many as he did.
-the lyrics were technically skilled (multis etc), but very few songs had a well executed concept
-too many celebrity references, its worse than the game namedropping rappers at this point
so everyone is entitled to their opinion but i think it would hard to not even agree slightly with my criticisms. it wont stop you enjoying the album, but at least understand its not always to do with people "expecting too much" or "hating" on em
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im enjoying the album thoroughly for the most part, about a third of it anyway....no love and the pink song being my least favorites....cold wind blows is my shit, and Cinderella man is on some next shit, very dope...i do think there is ton of over analyzing, i think this is a very solid album, and while its clear that em is past his hayday, he still has an absolutely impeccable flow which is impossible to front on...alot of the criticism about the production is unfair because he coulda had premo, pete rock and rza on the beats and half of the comments woulda still been 'dre beats woulda been better'....fuck all that, relapse had great production that i will never listen to again because of the horrible song topics/subject matter...its a no win situation here for eminem with most heads just because he did what everyone wanted (dropped the accent, went back to introspective lyrics and deeper subject matter for the most part, and got outside production) and is still getting shitted on....im not feeling every song, but its far and away better than his last two
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
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I just cant digest that Pink track, I skip that shit after one minute, other then that I was surprised with Rihanna track, even the bitch could not make that song unlistenable.
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The more I listen to the album, the better it gets. Also, I know it shouldn't matter, but after reading the production credits I like it more.
My one beef is that it sounds like the producers made beats for Eminem. So rather than having Eminem over a Just Blaze beat, we get Just Blaze trying to bend his style for Eminem (Cold Wind Blows for example).
And since Em went and got outside producers for the album, it would have been cool to see him go all out with features too (TI, B.o.B., D12, Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Jay-Z)
just my .02
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I agree base god..i don't think most people who are complaining about the album are expecting too much from em. Most gripes seem to be valid the whiney singing he uses is annoying, the beats are just good enough but nothin too hot with the exception of a couple and yes he spits dope rhymes but to me the delivery is not all that. I prefer when em uses his natural voice rather then yelling. I compare it to daz in his deathrow days when his vocals were more smooth thats the daz i preferred but once he started shouting his rhymes i lost interest.
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lol @ chamillitarybitch, she's still at it. i like her lil word games tryna be all smooth with tha words n shit. say im doing 1 thing but i'm not and whole time its really her doing it,,, classic game lol. Eminem is washed up now, that's that. And BG you're tryppin if u think BarExam3 was wack... smh
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The more I listen to the album, the better it gets. Also, I know it shouldn't matter, but after reading the production credits I like it more.
My one beef is that it sounds like the producers made beats for Eminem. So rather than having Eminem over a Just Blaze beat, we get Just Blaze trying to bend his style for Eminem (Cold Wind Blows for example).
And since Em went and got outside producers for the album, it would have been cool to see him go all out with features too (TI, B.o.B., D12, Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Jay-Z)
just my .02
C/S the bolded.
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lol @ chamillitarybitch, she's still at it. i like her lil word games tryna be all smooth with tha words n shit. say im doing 1 thing but i'm not and whole time its really her doing it,,, classic game lol. Eminem is washed up now, that's that. And BG you're tryppin if u think BarExam3 was wack... smh
lol, you clearly said, "who gives a fuck what ChamillitaryClick or any other fucker says? it's your opinion" & then go on in the SAME post explaining your opinion... :loco:
& Bar Exam III had about seven good songs; considering it had around 20 (not counting skits) that's not exactly good.
the best songs on it were good, but overall it wasn't as good as i thought it was going to be.
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
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Also another thing, I'm already tired of the big sounding snare Dre trended, and now every producer uses it..
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The more I listen to it,the less I like the album.I couldnt even make it through the album my third go round,I started skipping almost every song a minute into it :-\
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
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Had a hard time with my first listen, wanted to skip track at 10 to the the end.. Second half of the album was hard to go through, didn't even feel like I was listening to an Eminem's album. His voice just sound boring. No standout track, no standout beat at all. Production is boring too... At least Relapse had nice production and I could get past the accent. Let's see how more listen will affect this.
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
i don't wanna generalize bcuz that would be wrong but the East and MidWest are bcuz that's their style. WestCoast stay failing at that, they only have a handful of rappers who actually try 2 integrate the MC part of rapping with their style like Crooked I or Bishop Lamont. When Ice Cube said "this ain't Virginia this the Westcoast" or some shit like that i was like "ok son, i feel u, but u know ur dead wrong 4 actin' like all that shit don't matter when it comes to WestCoast rap". When MOST of the producted on the westcoast sounded like Dr. Dre wannabes with the boom-bap and the same ass piano melody and chord i was lookin' like how tha fuck can y'all rank on the south when ALL of y'all shit sound the same, and the shit was boring as hell. i loved "that's on the set" by Glasses Malone but the only thing that fucked it up was it was on that CripSet shit, yeah it's a track full of Crips but if they made that shit more universal then that shit woulda been Certified IME.
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Em singing on "you're never over"
WOW
LMAO
and the Dre beat on So Bad: 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
I think the problem is the fans (aka the people on this forum). There are quite a lot of underground west coast rappers putting out meaningful music, but you notice that Death Row and the new west is all this forum talks about. The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked. And even if they aren't overlooked, they aren't considered west coast because some people have it in their head that the west coast sounds a certain way. Hell look at the Black Eyed Peas. They are the most successful group from the west right now but no one acknowledges they are west coast.
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rapsodie...what has bep made that was dope for the streets to like?
come on g...they make radio muzik
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Some of you dudes are just trippin, this is not the best album in the world for sure. But its a good one, just bump it and relax.
that's what i'm saying; but it just goes to show you how high people's expectations of Eminem are.
clearly so high that a CD that they would of called "solid" at least for anybody else, is "absolute garbage" for Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Westcoast Hip Hop stays fallin in this pitfall faithfully
That is a very good point. I believe it is starting to change now, with the West Coast rappers becoming more conscience, that's a good look. But yes, that is why I don't listen to that genre as much as I used to (I like to think I grew up alot.) That is one of the reasons I always argue East Coast/Midwest are better lyricists than any other region..
i don't wanna generalize bcuz that would be wrong but the East and MidWest are bcuz that's their style. WestCoast stay failing at that, they only have a handful of rappers who actually try 2 integrate the MC part of rapping with their style like Crooked I or Bishop Lamont. When Ice Cube said "this ain't Virginia this the Westcoast" or some shit like that i was like "ok son, i feel u, but u know ur dead wrong 4 actin' like all that shit don't matter when it comes to WestCoast rap". When MOST of the producted on the westcoast sounded like Dr. Dre wannabes with the boom-bap and the same ass piano melody and chord i was lookin' like how tha fuck can y'all rank on the south when ALL of y'all shit sound the same, and the shit was boring as hell. i loved "that's on the set" by Glasses Malone but the only thing that fucked it up was it was on that CripSet shit, yeah it's a track full of Crips but if they made that shit more universal then that shit woulda been Certified IME.
Yeah, I Feel you. I have no problem with the production sound from the West, I just wish more emphasis would be put on lyrics and content subject. And as you said, a few of the New West artists have figured out how to do that, while still keep their Western heritage intact.
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The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
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Somebody please PM me and help me out
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This album is a MAJOR GROWER, like I expected after the first few spins. If you havent listened to it more than 5 times and like Eminem, I strongly advise you to listen to it at least twice as much. You will not regret it. It's a grower.
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rapsodie...what has bep made that was dope for the streets to like?
come on g...they make radio muzik
Lol that proves his point. He said noone ever refers to BEP as West Coast because they make radio music and not gangster rap. They fact they don't make music that's "dope for the streets to like" and despite the fact they make pop rap, at the end of the day, they are the biggest West Coast Rap group right now
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This album is a MAJOR GROWER, like I expected after the first few spins. If you havent listened to it more than 5 times and like Eminem, I strongly advise you to listen to it at least twice as much. You will not regret it. It's a grower.
If you hear something enough times, you'll begin to like it.. That's how radio works!!!!!!! Stay strong, don't make yourself like something just because it's a big name and a big hype!
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after a whole day in the whip i truly love this shit and feel that Eminem has found his way back. real lyrics and emotion and truly well-rounded musically.
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This album is a MAJOR GROWER, like I expected after the first few spins. If you havent listened to it more than 5 times and like Eminem, I strongly advise you to listen to it at least twice as much. You will not regret it. It's a grower.
If you hear something enough times, you'll begin to like it.. That's how radio works!!!!!!! Stay strong, don't make yourself like something just because it's a big name and a big hype!
lol you're so educated and smart
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stand out tracks to me:
talkin 2 myself
love the way you lie
spacebound
going through changes
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rapsodie...what has bep made that was dope for the streets to like?
come on g...they make radio muzik
Lol that proves his point. He said noone ever refers to BEP as West Coast because they make radio music and not gangster rap. They fact they don't make music that's "dope for the streets to like" and despite the fact they make pop rap, at the end of the day, they are the biggest West Coast Rap group right now
Hahah, exactly. What's funny is the majority of the people here are from Europe yet they only want to hear from rappers talking about the high crime rate in parts of California.
But about Black Eyed Peas....they may be more pop now but their early shit was dope. And Will I Am has some dope solo albums. But then again you still might not feel it since its not about "the streets." What I don't get is why hip hop has to be about "the streets" for you to listen to it. No other music genre has any rules like that.
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The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
Maybe not you specifically, but definitely overall. You'd have to be blind to overlook how gangsta shit dominates this forum. Whenever someone posts something by an alternative rapper it gets overlooked, while all the Death Row or Crooked I threads have pages and pages of responses. How many non-gangsta west coast rappers have you even checked for this year?
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there's like 20 people who actively post on this forum, get over it already. look at this thread
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This albums pretty dope! I aint frontin, im still checkin this shit!
Oh and about the westcoast, its true, its been steriotyped to the point that if it aint gangsta, it aint west. Lets be real. If you all are past that stage, thats dope but in general, if u a westcoast rapper...usually gangsta needs to be put inbetween the westcoast and rapper part ;-)
There are dope gansta rappers out there though and dope more lyrical rappers out on the westside but yo lets be real...gangsta or not, the likes of bishop lamont was nothing special at all.
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I just listened to 'Fack' and enjoyed it more than 85% of the recovery album. What a huge dissapointment this album was. This coming from a huge eminem fan too :-\
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I just listened to 'Fack' and enjoyed it more than 85% of the recovery album. What a huge dissapointment this album was. This coming from a huge eminem fan too :-\
From what I remember of Fack it was a contender for the worst eminem song ever maybe?
Just saw these production credits on Semtex's website, a little different to the other ones I've seen.
1. Cold Wind Blows- Just Blaze
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe- DJ Khalil
3. On Fire- Mr. Porter
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. P!nk – DJ Khalil
5. W.T.P.- Supa Dups
6. Going Through Changes- Emile Haynie
7. Not Afraid- Boi 1da
8. Seduction- Boi 1da
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne- Just Blaze
10. Space Bound- Jim Jonsin
11. Cinderella Man- Script Shepherd
12. 25 To Life- DJ Khalil
13. So Bad- Dr. Dre & Nick Brongers
14. Almost Famous- DJ Khalil
15. Love the Way You Lie- Alex Da Kid
16. You’re Never Over- Just Blaze
Untitled- Havoc
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very disapointed. relapse is WAY BETTER!
this is worse then Encore to me.
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So theirs a rumour going around that their will be a 12 track second disc as a digital download with tracks ft slaughterhouse,50 cent,cashis and d12.Dont know if theirs any truth to it but its being reported at a few places.
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Unlikely but would be cool if that happened. If true most likely a collection of recent recordings from Relapse & Recovery. 50 said he didn't record for Recovery but he did for Relapse.
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So theirs a rumour going around that their will be a 12 track second disc as a digital download with tracks ft slaughterhouse,50 cent,cashis and d12.Dont know if theirs any truth to it but its being reported at a few places.
Interesting. Where did you hear this? It would be great if it were true. Usually Eminem albums come out in some kind of deluxe edition with at least a couple bonus tracks, so it wouldn't surprise me if something like this was true. Especially since he did nearly the same thing with "Refill." I had been looking on amazon.com and some of the online music stores for listings that included bonus tracks, but so far hadn't found anything. It's still a couple weeks until it officially drops though, so you never know.
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Hmm just listening to it now. The beats are alright but Ems singing is annoying as his voice is some high pitched shit for little girls to sing along to. The Rihanna song was surprisingly not that bad. Better than the Pink track.
Something about Em's rapping is kinda annoying. Mabe the fact he's shouting lyrics down the mic and the overuse of multiple rhymes. Shit sounds like a Dipset record where they just rhyme random words in quick succession and retards think thats amazing.
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Saw this tracklist floating around on a few different hip hop sites. It seems that if you go to Fye.com, Best Buy.com and even Amazon.com, when you type in "Eminem Recovery", the original CD comes up, plus some sort of second release which is slated for sometime in July, with the description of "2 Disc LP Set" or something like that. Some people are saying its a Vinyl release, which would explain why it would be a 2 Disc set, since you can not fit as much music on Vinyl as you can on a regular CD, hence it being a 2 Disc Vinyl set, but who knows. Nobody seems to know the source of the tracklist below, so it could be completely fake, or real!
Smiley
1. Again
2. Despite Them Feat. Cashis
3. T.M.I.
4. Don't Look Back
5. Outta The Park Feat. 50 Cent
6. Bait Feat. Slaughterhouse
7. Look For Cars
8. Rewind & Pause
9. Beggin' You Feat. Hayley Williams
10. Love/Hate
11. Perfection (Bonus Track)
12. Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Bonus Track) Feat. D12
Also, some people are saying they heard that this so-called "2nd Disc" to Recovery will be a digital release. Someone on the Eminem.com forums posted this same tracklist and states that he knows somebody that works at Interscope, blah blah. Who knows, we can dream and hope this comes out! And one more thing that makes me believe this is the fact that Ca$his stated before Recovery leaked or anything, that he made it on a track for the album, yet, he is not a feature on the leaked album that just dropped. Plus, it is also very odd that Em did not have a 50 or D12 feature on Recovery either, so I'm kinda believing this tracklist a little.
Tracklist looks fake I guess, but lets wait and see.
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The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
Maybe not you specifically, but definitely overall. You'd have to be blind to overlook how gangsta shit dominates this forum. Whenever someone posts something by an alternative rapper it gets overlooked, while all the Death Row or Crooked I threads have pages and pages of responses. How many non-gangsta west coast rappers have you even checked for this year?
I will check for Malone, Hopsin, Young Dre, Murs, Ya Boy, Crook, Aceyalone.. That's about it really.. And I would say only about half the shit I hear from them, I like... Cuz half their songs are just total Gangsta shit, which I'm not into at all.. (Murs Ace Hopsin excluded)
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The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
Maybe not you specifically, but definitely overall. You'd have to be blind to overlook how gangsta shit dominates this forum. Whenever someone posts something by an alternative rapper it gets overlooked, while all the Death Row or Crooked I threads have pages and pages of responses. How many non-gangsta west coast rappers have you even checked for this year?
I will check for Malone, Hopsin, Young Dre, Murs, Ya Boy, Crook, Aceyalone.. That's about it really.. And I would say only about half the shit I hear from them, I like... Cuz half their songs are just total Gangsta shit, which I'm not into at all.. (Murs Ace Hopsin excluded)
But aside from Ace and MURS that's all gangsta shit. The west coast is so much deeper than that. There's way more than them two. I'm not saying there's as big as a scene as in New York. But its still quite a big scene, only problem is most of it is very low key, even on sites like this that are supposedly dedicated to everything west coast. I didn't hear a peep from dubcc when Aceyalone's last album dropped.
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
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;D
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Saw this tracklist floating around on a few different hip hop sites. It seems that if you go to Fye.com, Best Buy.com and even Amazon.com, when you type in "Eminem Recovery", the original CD comes up, plus some sort of second release which is slated for sometime in July, with the description of "2 Disc LP Set" or something like that. Some people are saying its a Vinyl release, which would explain why it would be a 2 Disc set, since you can not fit as much music on Vinyl as you can on a regular CD, hence it being a 2 Disc Vinyl set, but who knows. Nobody seems to know the source of the tracklist below, so it could be completely fake, or real!
Smiley
1. Again
2. Despite Them Feat. Cashis
3. T.M.I.
4. Don't Look Back
5. Outta The Park Feat. 50 Cent
6. Bait Feat. Slaughterhouse
7. Look For Cars
8. Rewind & Pause
9. Beggin' You Feat. Hayley Williams
10. Love/Hate
11. Perfection (Bonus Track)
12. Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Bonus Track) Feat. D12
Also, some people are saying they heard that this so-called "2nd Disc" to Recovery will be a digital release. Someone on the Eminem.com forums posted this same tracklist and states that he knows somebody that works at Interscope, blah blah. Who knows, we can dream and hope this comes out! And one more thing that makes me believe this is the fact that Ca$his stated before Recovery leaked or anything, that he made it on a track for the album, yet, he is not a feature on the leaked album that just dropped. Plus, it is also very odd that Em did not have a 50 or D12 feature on Recovery either, so I'm kinda believing this tracklist a little.
Tracklist looks fake I guess, but lets wait and see.
Well, I've seen that "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" track with D12 actually mentioned by name, before. So it would seem that if this is fake, someone was at least paying enough attention to make the track list look real. I agree though, that this could just be a case of someone having too much time on their hands.
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Anyone saying this is worse than Relapse is
1) crazy
2) In love with Dr. Dre beats
3) On Dr. Dre's dick
4) see options 2 & 3
^^This right there.
Encore and relapse aint even close to this album, its not even comparable. From Eminems form to his subject matter, shits on another level compared to his two previois efforts. Even he knows it so confidently that he admits to it on i think 'talking to myself' when speaking of his last two albums, he knows his new album is easily a step up from his previous wack shit.
This i can listen....encore and relapse will never get spins from me
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Really good album, I bump it all the time lately,its still 7.5-8/10 for me, anyway...you know how mixtapes sometimes get released tagless version, Eminem should release this for after few months SINGINGLESS version, give the album another dimension :)
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
only 1) 2 grown ups talking here little boy, if you look for fun just go and fuck yourself
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Anyone saying this is worse than Relapse is
1) crazy
2) In love with Dr. Dre beats
3) On Dr. Dre's dick
4) see options 2 & 3
^^This right there.
Encore and relapse aint even close to this album, its not even comparable. From Eminems form to his subject matter, shits on another level compared to his two previois efforts. Even he knows it so confidently that he admits to it on i think 'talking to myself' when speaking of his last two albums, he knows his new album is easily a step up from his previous wack shit.
This i can listen....encore and relapse will never get spins from me
Eminem don't know what to think of his last album. If he is so sure that relapse was trash then how come after the album dropped he stated he had so much good material that he had enough to make another album which was to be relapse 2.
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This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
while i think it's not the best Dre instrumental, it's not bad at all.
simple, but it works, it's his trademark
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The west gets pidgeon-holed to the point where anyone not spitting that gangsta shit is overlooked.
That's not true, whenever I hear a new artist I don't care where he's from, if he's spitting nice I'll fuck with him.
I am not overlooking the fact that alot of good artists have emerged from the West in the past couple of years. While it is surprising, it still pales in comparison to the number of artists of this caliber that are coming out of the Eastern area.. Just the way it is..
For the longest time I Thought Alchemist was from the East... Just by listening to his style of production.
Maybe not you specifically, but definitely overall. You'd have to be blind to overlook how gangsta shit dominates this forum. Whenever someone posts something by an alternative rapper it gets overlooked, while all the Death Row or Crooked I threads have pages and pages of responses. How many non-gangsta west coast rappers have you even checked for this year?
I will check for Malone, Hopsin, Young Dre, Murs, Ya Boy, Crook, Aceyalone.. That's about it really.. And I would say only about half the shit I hear from them, I like... Cuz half their songs are just total Gangsta shit, which I'm not into at all.. (Murs Ace Hopsin excluded)
But aside from Ace and MURS that's all gangsta shit. The west coast is so much deeper than that. There's way more than them two. I'm not saying there's as big as a scene as in New York. But its still quite a big scene, only problem is most of it is very low key, even on sites like this that are supposedly dedicated to everything west coast. I didn't hear a peep from dubcc when Aceyalone's last album dropped.
Kingwell you should check for Self Scientific-Chace Infinite if u want sth different from left coast.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
only 1) 2 grown ups talking here little boy, if you look for fun just go and fuck yourself
Keep convincing yourself that you´re older than 14, which I higly doubt since I´ve seen people without heads talking more sense than you.
On topic: Album bumps! Congrats to Eminem on this great release
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Really enjoying the Dre track. Catchy hook.
Khalils and Em's Almost Famous is a monster :o
Lol at the Proof tribute. Wiggidy Wack!
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Really enjoying the Dre track. Catchy hook.
Khalils and Em's Almost Famous is a monster :o
Lol at the Proof tribute. Wiggidy Wack!
Guess that hook is by New Royles, shits amazing...
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
only 1) 2 grown ups talking here little boy, if you look for fun just go and fuck yourself
Keep convincing yourself that you´re older than 14, which I higly doubt since I´ve seen people without heads talking more sense than you.
On topic: Album bumps! Congrats to Eminem on this great release
oh my god, people can think i am under 14, what am i gonna do???
damn! we are not in high school sweetheart, please be somebody to worth to discuss
words are really easy to mix them together and say then people can think u really say something
but you look funny when you talk something about me although you don't know about me
i know that keyboard under your hands is attracting you, it gives you the chance to say anything you want to say to somebody trough net,
i know it makes you feel better, but it is a type of masturbating, you better understand it before it gets late
by the way i don't know what we discuss about, i said nothing to you, but you lawyer came up suddenly to defend the rights of people who believes subjective opinions
anyway, i don't care about a subjective opinions about this album, his rap sucks, it is not an album sounds like an eminem musically
when somebody say something bad about the only song(so bad) which sounds clear, fresh and rests ears after listening a couple of songs sound crowded and fucking your ears, it really makes me mad!
(if you still want to please yourself you can send a private message, here is not your playground nor mine)
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Really enjoying the Dre track. Catchy hook.
Khalils and Em's Almost Famous is a monster :o
Lol at the Proof tribute. Wiggidy Wack!
the hook on You're Never Over ruins it. Otherwise it's decent.
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Really enjoying the Dre track. Catchy hook.
Khalils and Em's Almost Famous is a monster :o
Lol at the Proof tribute. Wiggidy Wack!
the hook on You're Never Over ruins it. Otherwise it's decent.
Almost every hook on the album is really bad.
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After a couple of listenings...
1-Cold Wind Blows 5/5
2-Talkin' 2 Myself 4/5
3-On Fire 4.5/5
4-Won't Back Down 2/5
5-W.T.P. 4.5/5
6-Going Through Changes 3.5/5
7-Not Afraid 3/5
8-Seduction 3.5
9-No Love 2/5
10-Space Bound 3/5
11-Cindrella Man 2.5/5
12-25 to Life 3.5/5
13-So Bad 6/5
14-Almost Famous 4/5
15-Love the Way You Lie 3/5
16-You're Never Over 2.5/5
17-Bonus Track 5/5
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
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Relapse 2 for free ?
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7979/recoverybacksideandscra.jpg)
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which group ripped this?
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I just listened to 'Fack' and enjoyed it more than 85% of the recovery album. What a huge dissapointment this album was. This coming from a huge eminem fan too :-\
From what I remember of Fack it was a contender for the worst eminem song ever maybe?
Just saw these production credits on Semtex's website, a little different to the other ones I've seen.
1. Cold Wind Blows- Just Blaze
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe- DJ Khalil
3. On Fire- Mr. Porter
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. P!nk – DJ Khalil
5. W.T.P.- Supa Dups
6. Going Through Changes- Emile Haynie
7. Not Afraid- Boi 1da
8. Seduction- Boi 1da
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne- Just Blaze
10. Space Bound- Jim Jonsin
11. Cinderella Man- Script Shepherd
12. 25 To Life- DJ Khalil
13. So Bad- Dr. Dre & Nick Brongers
14. Almost Famous- DJ Khalil
15. Love the Way You Lie- Alex Da Kid
16. You’re Never Over- Just Blaze
Untitled- Havoc
damn so just blaze went with his ti style beats for em,wow hahahaaha, jimmy didn't lie when he said he wanted em to be a lil more urban lol tho he forgot you can't take that white outta em, i hope em get's away from mr iovine or at least stop suffering from cryptorchidism and let that muthafucca know that he's an artist capable of controlling his own product now yell
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Relapse 2 for free ?
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7979/recoverybacksideandscra.jpg)
Is that what that card is supposed to be? Maybe there is some truth that rumor.
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Anyone saying this is worse than Relapse is
1) crazy
2) In love with Dr. Dre beats
3) On Dr. Dre's dick
4) see options 2 & 3
^^This right there.
Encore and relapse aint even close to this album, its not even comparable. From Eminems form to his subject matter, shits on another level compared to his two previois efforts. Even he knows it so confidently that he admits to it on i think 'talking to myself' when speaking of his last two albums, he knows his new album is easily a step up from his previous wack shit.
This i can listen....encore and relapse will never get spins from me
i concur...i think on this album, Em shows how technically gifted he is, still better than 99% of rappers out there at constructing a verse, and whats more, the subject matter isnt all complete bullshit...i cant complain 8)
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
only 1) 2 grown ups talking here little boy, if you look for fun just go and fuck yourself
Keep convincing yourself that you´re older than 14, which I higly doubt since I´ve seen people without heads talking more sense than you.
On topic: Album bumps! Congrats to Eminem on this great release
oh my god, people can think i am under 14, what am i gonna do???
damn! we are not in high school sweetheart, please be somebody to worth to discuss
words are really easy to mix them together and say then people can think u really say something
but you look funny when you talk something about me although you don't know about me
i know that keyboard under your hands is attracting you, it gives you the chance to say anything you want to say to somebody trough net,
i know it makes you feel better, but it is a type of masturbating, you better understand it before it gets late
by the way i don't know what we discuss about, i said nothing to you, but you lawyer came up suddenly to defend the rights of people who believes subjective opinions
anyway, i don't care about a subjective opinions about this album, his rap sucks, it is not an album sounds like an eminem musically
when somebody say something bad about the only song(so bad) which sounds clear, fresh and rests ears after listening a couple of songs sound crowded and fucking your ears, it really makes me mad!
(if you still want to please yourself you can send a private message, here is not your playground nor mine)
You just dissed yourself by writing that comment, which is awesome because it spears me the time pointing out the obvious.
"i don't care about a subjective opinions about this album, his rap sucks, it is not an album sounds like an eminem musically" <- the memoirs of a patient who has suffered a lobotomy.
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Cold Wind Blows 3.5/5
Talking to Myself 4.5/5
On Fire 3/5
Won't Back Down 4/5
WTP - 4/5
Going Through Changes 5/5
Not Afraid 4.5/5
Seduction 3.5/5
No Love 4.5/5
Space Bound 4.5/5
Cinderella Man 4/5
25 To Life 4.5/5
So Bad 2.5/5
Almost Famous 4.5/5
Love The Way You Lie 4/5
You're Never Over 3/5
This is a great album, yes there are some corny moments on here, particularly the singing but a lot of the time it blends well enough. The exception to that is You're Never Over could have been a terrific song had it been for the awful singing on it. So Bad is the same old, same old dre production, and the song is not in the least bit inspiring. On Fire is okay but was a little disappointing but the rest for me ranges between good to very very good.
Just my opinion but fuck it, as for wanting it to sound good, of course I wanted it to sound good but the first time I heard this I realised damn I really like this. There are some songs in here not employing that deep insistent intense flow, but actually shit, at least he adds some emotion to his voice, so many rappers just rap with one voice.
To me this is the window into Eminem's mind, introspection is what keeps me captivated, I don't think it's contrived, it's too personal to be contrived
Anyways that's just my opinion and i will try and let it lie now lol
1)please don't rate an album next time
2)please don't even try to comment about eminem
if you like "space bound" and don't like "so bad"
3)please listen somebody else
1) Please don't comment on anything untill you have more than 1 braincell
2) Please don't pretend you're the messurement of great taste when all opinions are SUBJECTIVE
3) Please go and hang yourself
only 1) 2 grown ups talking here little boy, if you look for fun just go and fuck yourself
Keep convincing yourself that you´re older than 14, which I higly doubt since I´ve seen people without heads talking more sense than you.
On topic: Album bumps! Congrats to Eminem on this great release
oh my god, people can think i am under 14, what am i gonna do???
damn! we are not in high school sweetheart, please be somebody to worth to discuss
words are really easy to mix them together and say then people can think u really say something
but you look funny when you talk something about me although you don't know about me
i know that keyboard under your hands is attracting you, it gives you the chance to say anything you want to say to somebody trough net,
i know it makes you feel better, but it is a type of masturbating, you better understand it before it gets late
by the way i don't know what we discuss about, i said nothing to you, but you lawyer came up suddenly to defend the rights of people who believes subjective opinions
anyway, i don't care about a subjective opinions about this album, his rap sucks, it is not an album sounds like an eminem musically
when somebody say something bad about the only song(so bad) which sounds clear, fresh and rests ears after listening a couple of songs sound crowded and fucking your ears, it really makes me mad!
(if you still want to please yourself you can send a private message, here is not your playground nor mine)
You just dissed yourself by writing that comment, which is awesome because it spears me the time pointing out the obvious.
"i don't care about a subjective opinions about this album, his rap sucks, it is not an album sounds like an eminem musically" <- the memoirs of a patient who has suffered a lobotomy.
hahah, lol @ cey trying to act older but getting mad when someone doesn't have the same opinion.
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Relapse 2 for free ?
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7979/recoverybacksideandscra.jpg)
Is that what that card is supposed to be? Maybe there is some truth that rumor.
woof, explain pic plz... ???
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I need a link :'(
first you need to learn what a search engine is & then you would need to learn how to properly use it to your advantage... :-X
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/15wxgfa.jpg)
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I need a link :'(
first you need to learn what a search engine is & then you would need to learn how to properly use it to your advantage... :-X
HEY, nice to meet you ::)
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/15wxgfa.jpg)
Very interesting
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I need a link :'(
first you need to learn what a search engine is & then you would need to learn how to properly use it to your advantage... :-X
HEY, nice to meet you ::)
likewise, but... there is a certain way things work around here just sayin' :laugh:
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/15wxgfa.jpg)
Very interesting
very interesting indeed! at least we get R2 w/ Recovery!
I'm kinda a little more stoked now... ;D
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Hopefully that tracklist is real and slaughterhouse is on the second disc.
to further add just blaze was on ustream and people were asking about it and he jokingy put his hands over his ears and went la la la la i cant hear youuu then said we hadnt heard thier best collabo yet but they will soon.Elliot wilson also tweeted that only half the album had leaked
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/15wxgfa.jpg)
Unfortunately some fag who posts on the Eminem.com forum is admitting to faking these "Relapse 2" pics.
(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww320/pigpigpigy/FakeEm.jpg)
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Interesting
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/15wxgfa.jpg)
Unfortunately some fag who posts on the Eminem.com forum is admitting to faking these "Relapse 2" pics.
(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww320/pigpigpigy/FakeEm.jpg)
WTF!!!
I'mma make like Akon & I'll STILL KILL!!!
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It looks pretty real. That would be a pretty good fake job lol
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It looks pretty real. That would be a pretty good fake job lol
For real, duke would make some mean fake id's and passports if he had the equipment lol
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I really want to believe their will be a second disc,but its probably going to be false.
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Amazing album, IMO
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
This.Im actually shocked at the volume of people being duped by this album.Encore and relapse werent well liked so hes publicly trashing them just to gain back his fan base.Even though in reality this album is on par with those two albums.The hooks on this album are flat out bad.All hes done is replaced the accent with singing.Its clear as day what happened with this album.They got a lot of positives back from beautiful and his forever verse so he mad an album full of the exact same shit.Problem is its so generic and forced and I cant see how anyone cant see through it.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
This.Im actually shocked at the volume of people being duped by this album.Encore and relapse werent well liked so hes publicly trashing them just to gain back his fan base.Even though in reality this album is on par with those two albums.The hooks on this album are flat out bad.All hes done is replaced the accent with singing.Its clear as day what happened with this album.They got a lot of positives back from beautiful and his forever verse so he mad an album full of the exact same shit.Problem is its so generic and forced and I cant see how anyone cant see through it.
Props. What I was saying weeks ago while everyone was drooling over Not Afraid. Everyone was like omg Not Afraid is the new Eminem! He's back! And I was laughing saying nah its Beautiful part 2.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
This.Im actually shocked at the volume of people being duped by this album.Encore and relapse werent well liked so hes publicly trashing them just to gain back his fan base.Even though in reality this album is on par with those two albums.The hooks on this album are flat out bad.All hes done is replaced the accent with singing.Its clear as day what happened with this album.They got a lot of positives back from beautiful and his forever verse so he mad an album full of the exact same shit.Problem is its so generic and forced and I cant see how anyone cant see through it.
Props. What I was saying weeks ago while everyone was drooling over Not Afraid. Everyone was like omg Not Afraid is the new Eminem! He's back! And I was laughing saying nah its Beautiful part 2.
What u talking about? Beautiful was a great track. That and Not Afraid. How were we supposed to know he wasn't gonna come with an album full of that?
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(http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww320/pigpigpigy/FakeEm.jpg)
lol whose album is that supposed to be? Haha.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
This.Im actually shocked at the volume of people being duped by this album.Encore and relapse werent well liked so hes publicly trashing them just to gain back his fan base.Even though in reality this album is on par with those two albums.The hooks on this album are flat out bad.All hes done is replaced the accent with singing.Its clear as day what happened with this album.They got a lot of positives back from beautiful and his forever verse so he mad an album full of the exact same shit.Problem is its so generic and forced and I cant see how anyone cant see through it.
Props. What I was saying weeks ago while everyone was drooling over Not Afraid. Everyone was like omg Not Afraid is the new Eminem! He's back! And I was laughing saying nah its Beautiful part 2.
What u talking about? Beautiful was a great track. That and Not Afraid. How were we supposed to know he wasn't gonna come with an album full of that?
Beautiful was a nice song, though not one of his best. Not Afraid was a bad attempt to recreate that song because it was the only song that made noise off his last album. The problem with this album is the opposite of what you're saying, cause he DID try to make an entire album like that with singing and forced attempts to be inspirational. Are we listening to the same shit? Its plainly obvious that Em has run out of steam and and now he can't use shocking lyrics to sell an album anymore. Every rapper falls off eventually. Deal with it and move on. There's a lot better shit to be listening to. I'm out.
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Beautiful was a nice song, though not one of his best. Not Afraid was a bad attempt to recreate that song because it was the only song that made noise off his last album. The problem with this album is the opposite of what you're saying, cause he DID try to make an entire album like that with singing and forced attempts to be inspirational. Are we listening to the same shit? Its plainly obvious that Em has run out of steam and and now he can't use shocking lyrics to sell an album anymore. Every rapper falls off eventually. Deal with it and move on. There's a lot better shit to be listening to. I'm out.
You are a complete idiot, do your research before you post... Clearly what you think is "inspirational" are the lamest songs I've heard from Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Okay, as much as I praised this album so much before it even released, I will now say I will only be keeping Not Afraid and 25 To Life (Talkin 2 Myself maybe) after 2 weeks. That is some non-bias for ya. (I didn't keep any songs off Relapse mind you). Alot of the songs lack focus, and that's pretty much all I can say about them.
I challenge someone to give me a concept for each of the songs on the Recovery. Talking about lyrics too, so don't give me no "Em just having fun spittin deadly rhymes on a club banger". I want you to listen to the lyrics, and give me the message Em is trying to portray with each song..
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I wouldn't even care if the album was about winning back hip-hop but it's not. It's about winning fame and being number 1.
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Beautiful was a nice song, though not one of his best. Not Afraid was a bad attempt to recreate that song because it was the only song that made noise off his last album. The problem with this album is the opposite of what you're saying, cause he DID try to make an entire album like that with singing and forced attempts to be inspirational. Are we listening to the same shit? Its plainly obvious that Em has run out of steam and and now he can't use shocking lyrics to sell an album anymore. Every rapper falls off eventually. Deal with it and move on. There's a lot better shit to be listening to. I'm out.
You are a complete idiot, do your research before you post... Clearly what you think is "inspirational" are the lamest songs I've heard from Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Okay, as much as I praised this album so much before it even released, I will now say I will only be keeping Not Afraid and 25 To Life (Talkin 2 Myself maybe) after 2 weeks. That is some non-bias for ya. (I didn't keep any songs off Relapse mind you). Alot of the songs lack focus, and that's pretty much all I can say about them.
I challenge someone to give me a concept for each of the songs on the Recovery. Talking about lyrics too, so don't give me no "Em just having fun spittin deadly rhymes on a club banger". I want you to listen to the lyrics, and give me the message Em is trying to portray with each song..
I said he failed at being inspirational. Pay attention before you respond. No shit they're lame.
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Beautiful was a nice song, though not one of his best. Not Afraid was a bad attempt to recreate that song because it was the only song that made noise off his last album. The problem with this album is the opposite of what you're saying, cause he DID try to make an entire album like that with singing and forced attempts to be inspirational. Are we listening to the same shit? Its plainly obvious that Em has run out of steam and and now he can't use shocking lyrics to sell an album anymore. Every rapper falls off eventually. Deal with it and move on. There's a lot better shit to be listening to. I'm out.
You are a complete idiot, do your research before you post... Clearly what you think is "inspirational" are the lamest songs I've heard from Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Okay, as much as I praised this album so much before it even released, I will now say I will only be keeping Not Afraid and 25 To Life (Talkin 2 Myself maybe) after 2 weeks. That is some non-bias for ya. (I didn't keep any songs off Relapse mind you). Alot of the songs lack focus, and that's pretty much all I can say about them.
I challenge someone to give me a concept for each of the songs on the Recovery. Talking about lyrics too, so don't give me no "Em just having fun spittin deadly rhymes on a club banger". I want you to listen to the lyrics, and give me the message Em is trying to portray with each song..
I said he failed at being inspirational. Pay attention before you respond. No shit they're lame.
You're missing the point of why I worded it that way.. You're saying the problem is the opposite of what I'm saying? I'm saying the songs lack focus and inspiration. So you are implyiing these songs are inspirational. Research my shit before you speak on me. That's why I provided the quotes for you.
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What's all this complaining about Em singing ? He's been doing that since TES at least. Nothing new here. Only chorus that really sucks is the Proof tribute one.
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Beautiful was a nice song, though not one of his best. Not Afraid was a bad attempt to recreate that song because it was the only song that made noise off his last album. The problem with this album is the opposite of what you're saying, cause he DID try to make an entire album like that with singing and forced attempts to be inspirational. Are we listening to the same shit? Its plainly obvious that Em has run out of steam and and now he can't use shocking lyrics to sell an album anymore. Every rapper falls off eventually. Deal with it and move on. There's a lot better shit to be listening to. I'm out.
You are a complete idiot, do your research before you post... Clearly what you think is "inspirational" are the lamest songs I've heard from Eminem.
Eminem SHOULD have high expectations, The music he makes that I like from him is very hard to make, and can be hit or miss.. And I don't see why this album is solid. Because of the big budget names and features? To me that doesn't give you a pass for a solid album. Even on the grandest stage, you have to earn your praise. The beats on here are good enough to work with. It's Eminem I am rating here: the songs lack focus.
The same problem with Encore and Relapse. There was nothing you could take away from alot of the songs. Eminem is good because he is good at writing about his life in a way that you can relate to it. He doesn't do this too often on Recovery, it's a 1-sided affair for alot of the songs..
Let's use Cinderella Man as an example. "Music is my time machine" that's relatable, I'm feeling it.. Than "Cinderella Man, Cinderella Man", that automatically brings the POV right to Eminem. It's a song about himself, not about music. Very isolating to listen to, as a listener.
There is a fine line in this phrase: "Music is about your life, not you." Eminem didn't meet that, and even with the tools he has, falls into an average rapper on this CD.
Okay, as much as I praised this album so much before it even released, I will now say I will only be keeping Not Afraid and 25 To Life (Talkin 2 Myself maybe) after 2 weeks. That is some non-bias for ya. (I didn't keep any songs off Relapse mind you). Alot of the songs lack focus, and that's pretty much all I can say about them.
I challenge someone to give me a concept for each of the songs on the Recovery. Talking about lyrics too, so don't give me no "Em just having fun spittin deadly rhymes on a club banger". I want you to listen to the lyrics, and give me the message Em is trying to portray with each song..
I said he failed at being inspirational. Pay attention before you respond. No shit they're lame.
You're missing the point of why I worded it that way.. You're saying the problem is the opposite of what I'm saying? I'm saying the songs lack focus and inspiration. So you are implyiing these songs are inspirational. Research my shit before you speak on me. That's why I provided the quotes for you.
I don't get what's so difficult in what I'm saying. The songs sound like he's trying to be inspirational. He's trying to channel all these "can't hold me down" type of emotions. The problem is that they are uninspired songs. They try to be inspirational but they aren't. They sound lame, and his singing makes it worse.
It's the opposite of what you were saying because you claimed he wasn't making songs like "Not Afraid" on Recovery. I disagree. The problem is that he was trying to make those exact same songs. "Not Afraid" has a lot in common with the rest of Recovery. Sappy Pseudo-inspirational hook with his whiny singing, same ineffective angry flow, forced lyrics that fail to impress. Surely you understand now?
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What's all this complaining about Em singing ? He's been doing that since TES at least. Nothing new here. Only chorus that really sucks is the Proof tribute one.
Yeah, apart from that track i like the chorus's on the album.
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Personally i think anyone who thinks this album is worse than relapse and encore is an idiot. I do wonder about eminem fans sometimes. I guess your hardcore eminem fan is very difference to your hiphop eminem fan. Like when y'all come out and defend relapse like eminem was on form and say that shits the best produced cd of the decade lmao and say encore was some deep music which it was not i worry about some of y'all ears.
And then when he puts out a cd with better lyrics, more focus, much more fresh on the mic, musically the beats are thicker and fuller and sounds like a hiphop cd, some of y'all complain. But then some cats on here think stillmatic was terrible production wise.
I do agree with action with the bit about tryna get acceptance from hiphop again though. But i think its mixed with a rocky sound that eminem likes and feels comfortable over but and i give him props for that because this the first time i felt eminem in such a long time. He should release no love though if wayne can get outta pen for a vid ;D eminem fully kills his verse on that.
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Lyrical-G I think your an idiot if you say these beats are better then what was on relapse. The beats on recovery aren't horrible but they arent heat either. there aint one track on recovery that can compare to beats like bagpipes or stay wide awake. And how can you defend a album that his him singing in a whiney manner in just about every song and using a sample from the most annoying dance song from the 90's. That track is straight garbage. And claiming these beats are straight hip hop i think not sounds more like radio friendly to me.
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What's all this complaining about Em singing ? He's been doing that since TES at least. Nothing new here. Only chorus that really sucks is the Proof tribute one.
i said this like 9 pages ago.....i cant understand what the fuck anyone is complaining about, unless they say they've always hated his singing, which if that is the case is understandable....
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Amazing album...Space bound is track of the year for me.grate story 8) 8)
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Actually chuck im not a huge eminem fan but to me it seems like his singing is a bit extra whiney on this album. Im not much of a fan so I didnt get into much of eminem besides mmlp n relapse and a few on sslp so he coulda been doing the singing thing on many albums and i just don't know cause i didnt get into any of those albums where is singing anyways.
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im sorry, but i dont really understand how can any1 say that Recovery has no subject matter, you cant even compare it to Relapse, or probably any other big hip hop release this year, almost every song on this new album is about something.
word, clear evidence they just skim through it or ignore lyrics in general
And, y'all clearly don't listen to other albums, especially Relapse if you think they don't have content and diversity of content.
This is easily the most overrated hip-hop album I've heard in a minute. It's full of bad cilche pop choruses and 90's pop influenced beats. This isn't music from the soul. It's music constructed to win back a dwindling fan base.
you really think its that contrived? i dont...people are too quick to look for an ulterior motive...
isnt it possible that its a conscious effort by Em to be more honest and open about the last few years, after all, he has been through some messed up shit? rather than the usual hiding behind the whole "slim shady" persona
maybe im being naive, but thats the impression i got 8)
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
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i don't really think it's all music from the soul either, when i hear it i keep thinking atl atl atl atl, that "make this album a lil more urban" stands out in my head, alot of great lyrics tho,but i guess if you can connect his stories to you guys lives i can understand why y'all would rate it higher then me,and for the record i thought his flows was better on the last record,lyrics are more focused on this one tho,but i still rather listen to hello and kill you yell
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I'm actually pretty impressed with the way it turned out. I've been bumping this all the way through minus the track with Rihanna on the way to work and on my way home from work. This isn't really an album to prove anything except that he can make a dope album with primarily different producers than himself, Dr. Dre and the usual suspects. I think hes dope over the DJ Khalil beats especially. I've been saying for years those 2 would go good together. I only expected to download and listen once but turned out to be wrong. Better than his last 2 albums hands down.
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
This. They both have equal respect for each other.
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What's all this complaining about Em singing ? He's been doing that since TES at least. Nothing new here. Only chorus that really sucks is the Proof tribute one.
i said this like 9 pages ago.....i cant understand what the fuck anyone is complaining about, unless they say they've always hated his singing, which if that is the case is understandable....
I think there's a difference in the singing. On Eminem Show he knew it was hideous but said fuck it. He made a point to point out how bad he was with Hailey's song. On Encore it was all mockingly done. There was always a point to emphasize he wasn't good, either he stated it or he was over the top.
On Recovery it's supposed to be taken seriously. The more I think about and listen to the album the more I have issues with his vocal delivery. Beyond his annoying singing, the aggressive flow actually detracts from tracks by creating too much of a contrast.
Anyways, I actually have an issue with fans who justify Eminem singing then hate on Drake who is a hundred times the singer than Eminem.
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i don't want to sound like Radiotube but don't we get it by now?
half of you don't like it, half of you do like it; none of you are going to change your opinion based off of what anyone else about the album.
it's whatever now; bump it you dig; otherwise delete & move on. ;)
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i don't want to sound like Radiotube but don't we get it by now?
half of you don't like it, half of you do like it; none of you are going to change your opinion based off of what anyone else about the album.
it's whatever now; bump it you dig; otherwise delete & move on. ;)
The only time this statement pops up is when a fan like it and doesn't want to hear any negative critiques. If you followed your own advice you'd stop posting because it's meaningless.
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i don't want to sound like Radiotube but don't we get it by now?
half of you don't like it, half of you do like it; none of you are going to change your opinion based off of what anyone else about the album.
it's whatever now; bump it you dig; otherwise delete & move on. ;)
The only time this statement pops up is when a fan like it and doesn't want to hear any negative critiques. If you followed your own advice you'd stop posting because it's meaningless.
lol, you've said the same thing in 11 straight posts; we get it, you don't like it.
don't get me wrong, you can keep saying whatever you want, i'm trying to save you some time here lol.
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i don't want to sound like Radiotube but don't we get it by now?
half of you don't like it, half of you do like it; none of you are going to change your opinion based off of what anyone else about the album.
it's whatever now; bump it you dig; otherwise delete & move on. ;)
The only time this statement pops up is when a fan like it and doesn't want to hear any negative critiques. If you followed your own advice you'd stop posting because it's meaningless.
lol, you've said the same thing in 11 straight posts; we get it, you don't like it.
don't get me wrong, you can keep saying whatever you want, i'm trying to save you some time here lol.
Don't. Did it ever occur that I like discussing music? I'm not trying to win anything. I like expressing myself and I like seeing how people disagree so I can reflect on how I hear and listen to music.
Edit: But, still. you're entire argument is wack. You're only talking offense because you don't like what I have to say. You don't state this comment when it's about positive comments. Following your logic you should just not go to a message board because the entire point is what you stand against. In fact you should probably not talk either because you're going to feel what you feel and what you have to say isn't really going to influence anyone. It's a lame stance to take when you don't agree with comments being made. Follow your own advice.
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^i actually wasn't singling you out, i guess it would come across that way though since you commented last.
but anyway, i'm not saying express your opinion; even two times would be fine. three? i can deal with three.
but to say 47 times in 15 pages that you don't like his singing is just a bit much.
it's like you're diliberatly going out of your way to badmouth the album.
be honest, it doesn't matter what positive comment anyone will make because you're just looking for the negative counter-argument.
it's not your fault, it's a human way of thinking & reacting; if you don't like something, you become extra critical with every detail.
& is it just me or the same people coming back every 10 comments people make just to say something bad? it's not me not listening to the bad critiques, i read & responded to most of them early on; but it's the bad critiques, by the same people, repeating themselves lol.
i feel like the people coming back are the people who don't like the album, where the people who do like the album seem to be leaving their thoughts & not coming back lol.
i don't know, brahhhhh; just my assesment on the sitchuu.
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RELAPSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RECOVERY by far. not even close.
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i feel like the people coming back are the people who don't like the album, where the people who do like the album seem to be leaving their thoughts & not coming back lol.
It's certainly not the case with you. Listen to duke and either follow your own advice or admit that you got infected with a case of radiotubism.
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The people who liked the majority of this album first listen are genuine. But I don't care how much of a "grower" an album is, if you don't feel the shit your first time listening it's not a good song.. How you think people engulf radio songs? They hear the shit so much they start to pick it apart and find something little to like about it.
I am deliberately going out of my way because I hate when people get brainwashed into listening to a "big budget" album a buncha times cuz it's a big star, until they start to like it. You can do that shit with every album, and it's not fair for Em to get a free pass on this just cuz A) It's him and B) He has a big budget sound. That doesn't make your album good.
It's like with Drake's album, so many ppl commented saying they gonna relisten to it later, to give it another chance. I know they ain't do that with half the indie albums that they tryed this year.. The big names and buzz are giving these artists a longer leash with the listeners and it's not fair. And I know people are doing this with Recovery, cuz they did it with Relapse, and do it with every major label album that comes out and sucks ass.
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I don't know man, then again you can't do a track by track review based on 1 listen either. My procedure with all albums is that I give it at least a 2 week spin before I could write a decent review. Some albums just tend to grow; I didn't think much of Ultimate Victory at first, now it's one of my favorite albums.
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RELAPSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RECOVERY by far. not even close.
^^^^^
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I don't even hate Recovery. I've clearly listened to it at least more than once. At least 3 times now. It's not just cause I hate the album. I'm the one that thinks Encore is dope. What the hell is wrong with me? I tend to find something redeemable in most music I listen to but at the same time I know what I like so when I type I just come at it from a perspective of why ears are jolted.
Anyways, I'm a lay low from this thread.
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@Jules.
Eminem is not a radio raper,or ringtone adn shit.
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Threads like this should allow like one reply a user. They get dragged way too long over opinions. ::)
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
Eminem is a Lil Wayne fan and he loves LL Cool J :wavey:
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I'll be posting my review of this album soon, been listening to this album a few times now
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I don't know man, then again you can't do a track by track review based on 1 listen either. My procedure with all albums is that I give it at least a 2 week spin before I could write a decent review. Some albums just tend to grow; I didn't think much of Ultimate Victory at first, now it's one of my favorite albums.
true that; not to mention, sometimes your first listen you aren't even really paying close attention.
i'll admit though, now that i've bumped this album seven times at least; maybe i'm just not in the mood to listen to music, but i find myself skipping some songs after a verse or two.
i'm also a person who likes to sing lyrics to songs when i hear them, so maybe i just haven't picked up on them & it's making me not want to listen.
or, it could just be the album is lacking replay value; only time will tell.
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all of u r right. both sides win.
i give an album more than 1 shot tho (atleast i try 2) but if i can't fuck wit it like that i can't fuck wit it like that. eminem is cool but as far as the new eminem shit goes it's alright, it's nothing 16 pages worth on a forum i can tell u that. he can't sing, his flow is on point even tho it sounds really forced like he's trying to hard 2 get his point and aggression across, the beats r ok but could've been extremely better considering the whole atmosphere of Interscope/Detox, and it could've been a little more diverse for a hiphop album for an artist of his caliber; something like a KidRock collab and a JellyRoll/Lil' Wyte collab, and an acoustic guitar track co-produced by Kanye with a white girl drug addict alcoholic singer (so u can feel the passion/truth) would've been hot too (it doesn't have 2 be Amy Winehouse lol). but anyways, good album i guess but it'll get OLD really fast, some of it you'll stick with for a minute most of it you won't. we'll forget about it by the time the next single is in rotation. BISD>>>>Recovery and that album is the best 50 material since "tha massacre" (which was hot but should've been a double album of some sort) but i don't even give that record much burn anymore, i might check it out since i'm thinking about it now tho. cool album imo. Curtis was okay too.
and a point from earlier: i like some "I" songs so when I'm singing them it puts me in a trance (for lack of better statement). like "o, let's do it" would've been amillion times more hypnotic if Waka was like "drug sellin music, hey I'm fluenced, ey I'm influenced". shit like that makes u go like yeah. lol. classic record tho
*but on the contrary, if a song doesn't blow your mind the 1st time chances are that the song just isn't all that great to begin with, i remember playing "thug motivation 101" for the 1st time (even though I didn't even like Jeezy, i actually kinda dispized him a little bit tbh lol) and i remember tellin myself like "damn this shit is hot" and i had 2 replay the shit over and over again. it's collected a little bit of dust now but I DO pull that shit out and crank it every now and then... matter of fact I would'nt call it 1 of my favorites but that shit might have potential to be after I break it back out again, maybe. i gotta c
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Still haven't heard the album yet. I'm looking forward to listening to it. It's interesting to see how split people are on their opinion of it. Of course, it seemed to be pretty much the same situation with "Relapse." Half the people seemed to really like it, and half hated it. I really liked "Relapse" so if this is nothing like it, who knows. So far, the only tracks on here that I've heard are "Not Afraid," and "Won't Back Down." I liked "Not Afraid" but didn't care too much for "Won't Back Down." My one criticism that I already have is where the fuck is the Slaughterhouse track that Just Blaze produced? If Em is is supposed to be rebuilding Shady Records with Slaughterhouse as one of it's major acts, wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity to give them a major push?
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Still haven't heard the album yet. I'm looking forward to listening to it. It's interesting to see how split people are on their opinion of it. Of course, it seemed to be pretty much the same situation with "Relapse." Half the people seemed to really like it, and half hated it. I really liked "Relapse" so if this is nothing like it, who knows. So far, the only tracks on here that I've heard are "Not Afraid," and "Won't Back Down." I liked "Not Afraid" but didn't care too much for "Won't Back Down." My one criticism that I already have is where the fuck is the Slaughterhouse track that Just Blaze produced? If Em is is supposed to be rebuilding Shady Records with Slaughterhouse as one of it's major acts, wouldn't this have been the perfect opportunity to give them a major push?
naw he's gonna do that for the Slaughterhouse album. Plus u know they're gonna do a million different tracks and keep working on em so they get that right 1 that just blows the shit out of people's speakers and causes some to go def. if it doesn't cure autizm then it won't be anything good. so u already know they gonna have 2 get it right. 3 months ain't long enuff
*hell, this is Slaughterhouse and Eminem we r talkin about, this just ain't a buncha anything ass rappers getting on one track, it's gotta be epic considering who they are, it's no pressure from us of course but for the HolyGrail of hiphop the song just can't be anything short of spectacular and mind blowing (lyrically and even on the production side somewhat it can't just b any beat not that it has 2 be some broadway musical shit that has everything in it, but definitely the lyrics gotta b on some jedi lightsaber bullets coming out an AK type shit).
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Sounds like some people are on burn out from playing this album too much and some people just don't like it, c'est la vie, my opinion hasn't changed but it's all good.
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you already people cant wait for this....bring it snoopy
I'll be posting my review of this album soon, been listening to this album a few times now
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This album is like half an hour too long.
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
Eminem is a Lil Wayne fan and he loves LL Cool J :wavey:
The fact that that means anything to you proves my point. You would be surprised at some of the artists your favorite rapper listens to, I always am. And how does that have any affect on the quality of the music? It doesn't.
As for you coming at me.. You're disagreeing? You think at least 1 of those 3 albums are "Great" albums aka above average? Which ones?
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RELAPSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RECOVERY by far. not even close.
^^^^^
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I like Cold Wind Blows , Talking 2 Myself, W.T.P , Going through changes , So Bad and Almost Famous ... the rest is pretty much forgettable ... too bad he did not use the voice and flow he's using on this one on Relapse beats though
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Personally i think anyone who thinks this album is worse than relapse and encore is an idiot. I do wonder about eminem fans sometimes. I guess your hardcore eminem fan is very difference to your hiphop eminem fan. Like when y'all come out and defend relapse like eminem was on form and say that shits the best produced cd of the decade lmao and say encore was some deep music which it was not i worry about some of y'all ears.
And then when he puts out a cd with better lyrics, more focus, much more fresh on the mic, musically the beats are thicker and fuller and sounds like a hiphop cd, some of y'all complain. But then some cats on here think stillmatic was terrible production wise.
I do agree with action with the bit about tryna get acceptance from hiphop again though. But i think its mixed with a rocky sound that eminem likes and feels comfortable over but and i give him props for that because this the first time i felt eminem in such a long time. He should release no love though if wayne can get outta pen for a vid ;D eminem fully kills his verse on that.
so i'm an idiot :eh:
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I like Relapse better, but I can't front on the rhyme schemes here. Craziness.
My favourites:
No Love
Won't Back Down (don't get the hate for this track at all)
So Bad
Cold Wind Blows
Almost Famous
Not Afraid (a bit tired of it, but a good track)
On Fire
Untitled
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1. Cold Wind Blows - Lyrically on point, great hook, and Just Blaze gives us a great beatto kick start this album, sign of things to come? 4/5
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe - The beat sound like a mess, too many things going on here. This song gets tiring to listen to after the 2nd verse. 2.5/5
3. On Fire - Short and sweet, but maybe overly simply. 3/5
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. Pink - Simply horrid, sorry attempt at a pop anthem track, this track should be called W.T.P. - 1/5
5. W.T.P. - I feel like I've heard this track 100x before from Slim. Pass. 2/5
6. Going Through Changes - Lame attempt at emotional song, too dependent at the sample used in the hook. 2/5
7. Not Afraid - Iovine - "Yo slim, make a track for the Staples center and golds gym" 2/5
8. Seduction - Finally things are starting to pick back up on this album. Slim maybe now starting to realize that his yelling flow is getting tiring. 3/5
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne - Another uninspired track that relies so heavily on the sample to give an emotional/epic feel. Wayne/Slim giving us the same song and dance on this track. Been there done that. 2.5/5
10. Space Bound - Nice track, interesting sample choice, lyrically EM starting to bore. 3/5
11. Cinderella Man - One of the better tracks on the album but the beat can be too overbearing, and someone needs to keep EM in check, these songs are all really starting to drag. 3.5/5
12. 25 to Life - EM really trying to get that pop radio play on this album. 2.5/5
13. So Bad - Certified head banger, Dre came through on his only beat, which is joke that he only had one beat. 4/5
14. Almost Famous - Back to back decent tracks, finally. Nice hook, lyrically he's all over place, more like mixtape track, hopfully he ends his album well. 3/5
15. Love the Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna - Cliche preditable nonsense we have come to expect from these two. 1.5/5
16. You’re Never Over - His singing makes 50 singing seem like R Kelly, absolutely cringe worthy 1/5
Beats: 2.5/5
Lyrics: 3.5/5
Overall: 2.5/5
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^lol, i didn't think you would really waste your time with this. :D
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12. 25 to Life - EM really trying to get that pop radio play.
Explain.
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It´s interesting to see the love/ hate reaction people seem to be getting from this album. I think the album is great and I can´t fully understand what more you could want from a Eminem cd in 2010. Especially since Relapse came last year and that was one gigantic shitparade.
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Word and speaking of this album, the lyrics for 25 to life indicate this is going to be his last solo album and if that is the case, then I think it's a terrific album to finish his solo career on.
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12. 25 to Life - EM really trying to get that pop radio play.
Explain.
cliche sample choice AGAIN, same lyrical topic, just average
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12. 25 to Life - EM really trying to get that pop radio play.
Explain.
cliche sample choice AGAIN, same lyrical topic, just average
It's not a sample for the women's part to my knowledge.
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It's not a sample, it's one of Khalil's background vocalist (Liz Rodriges). Anyways, my quick review:
1. Cold Wind Blows - finally a Just Blaze & Em collabo. And it's doesn't disappoint. Em basically saying that he's back... Love the chorus, great way to start the album. 5/5
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe - Amazing track. Introspective, with the first 2 verses describing the past problems and the last one overcoming it. Kobe hook is golden 5/5
3. On Fire - Average. Sounds like a mixtape track, no direction 2/5
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. Pink - Hype track that got old quick. Still nice to pump you for a run or a work out but that's it. Beat is a tad too noisy. 3/5
5. W.T.P. - Sounds like something 50 would've done back in 04,05. I don't mean that in a bad way but it just sounds dated. Doesn't fit with the rest of the cd either. Chorus is funny 3/5
6. Going Through Changes - Another quality introspective track. I only deduct a point because it basically sounds like Deja Vu part 2. 4/5
7. Not Afraid - Loved it at frist, then it got old quick but now I love it again, considering the placement with LP's flow. Snare sounds way too cheap, Dre should've mixed it 4/5
8. Seduction - Sweet joint. Nice beat from Boi1-Da, smooth chorus and quality storytelling. But Em should've used a more laid back flow (less screaming) 4/5
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne - Love it. Em and Wayne have great chemistry, especially with the contrast in their voice/flow. Odd pick for a sample but it works. Em went crazy on his end. 5/5
10. Space Bound - Sounds too left field for Em imo. Again he could've used a more laid back flow. Other than that it's cool. 3/5
11. Cinderella Man - Till I Collapse part 2, I can really here Nate on this one. Another fly joint, definitely gonna be used in my workout playlist a lot. 4/5
12. 25 to Life - Concept has been done several times before but it works. Lovely beat and chorus from Khalil's team. But yet again wrong voice tone from Em to be a perfect track. 4/5
13. So Bad - Banging tune, only beat so far that made me head nod. Sounds like something straight out of Relapse session. 4/5
14. Almost Famous - Maybe lack direction but everything is so big on this track, from beat to Eminem, who's screaming delivery does fit this time 5/5
15. Love the Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna - Sursprisingly nice. Nice relationship storytelling track from Em. Can see this getting annoying once it blows up (which it will) 4/5
16. You’re Never Over - Not what I expected from a Proof tribute. Terrible singing and the beat doesn't fit the subject matter at all. 3/5
17. Untitled - Another one of those mixtape sounding track with no direction. Average 3/5
Now I know the rating might not be perfect but I'm loving this cd. It still hasn't gotten old and it's basically the only thing I'm listening to when I run, work out, when I go to sleep... Like LBIA said this was made for gym and stadium arenas but I don't view that in a bad way. I also think that minimal Dre input is nice for a change after he pretty much produced the whole Relapse & Encore. Now, I haven't bumped it in the ride yet but I got a feeling he should at least mix some records.
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This might be the best rhymed album of the last few years, with some tracks who truly have substance, and y'all diss the lyrics? :grumpy:
No wonder noone really spits anymore, with a fanbase like this.
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This might be the best rhymed album of the last few years, with some tracks who truly have substance, and y'all diss the lyrics? :grumpy:
No wonder noone really spits anymore, with a fanbase like this.
Eh, I tried to stay but these stupid ass comments kill me. You ain't listening to hip-hop if you think this is the best rhymed cd in the past couple of years.
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This might be the best rhymed album of the last few years, with some tracks who truly have substance, and y'all diss the lyrics? :grumpy:
No wonder noone really spits anymore, with a fanbase like this.
Eh, I tried to stay but these stupid ass comments kill me. You ain't listening to hip-hop if you think this is the best rhymed cd in the past couple of years.
Matter of fact I don't follow rap anymore, but tell me some albums that are rhymed and spitted better than this one.. I'd be happy to listen to them
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the album started off strong with the first two songs but got weaker right after them. has some bangers though i agree Em's aggressive flow doesn't fit on every song.
Relapse imo had better production but Em sounds better here. overall not a bad record.
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This might be the best rhymed album of the last few years, with some tracks who truly have substance, and y'all diss the lyrics? :grumpy:
No wonder noone really spits anymore, with a fanbase like this.
Revolutions per minute takes a 12 inch dump on this album both lyrically and musically
Check ya self
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Elzhi the Preface
Reks Grey Hairs & More Grey Hairs
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
Eminem is a Lil Wayne fan and he loves LL Cool J :wavey:
The fact that that means anything to you proves my point. You would be surprised at some of the artists your favorite rapper listens to, I always am. And how does that have any affect on the quality of the music? It doesn't.
As for you coming at me.. You're disagreeing? You think at least 1 of those 3 albums are "Great" albums aka above average? Which ones?
Yes, Relapse. Relapse is art to me. It's like listening to a good horror film full of humorous moments, sometime actually like a black comedy film with emotional moments with Beautiful, Deja Vu and Careful What You Wish For.
The beats are next level, I've never heard anything as polished as Same Song And Dance or Underground. At the same time very simplistic but at the same time made with an extremely good eye for detail, innovative sound even incorporating choir sound. All beats are extremely different, yet coherent.
The lyrics are the craziest, sickest shit ever, spit in a technically flawless and intricate way. Stay Wide Awake is a perfect example.
The album had weak point. The accent. But look at it in the context and you'll get over it.
That is the reason why I just brought up artists you listen too in my last post, too lazy to write a reply like this one.
My point is: You are as brainwashed as the people you call brainwashed, I bet you like every song Budden releases.
I secretly hoped you would understand that artists like Joe Budden, Ja Rule, The Lox and Saigon are in no way ever better than Eminem and have never made any album better than Relapse, recently.
Joe Budden? A dude with the most boring nasal voice who can't find a beat to save his life rapping more than 5 minutes about how depressed he is. No charisma either. No polished sound either.
Ja Rule could be considered the best out of those artists, but even from that point of view it's difficult to deny how he contributed to the decline of rap 10 years ago with his bullshit singing and selling out. The Lox? Rapping about street life they don't live since at least 2 decades , on stereotypical NY beats with punchlines thrown here and there? Let's not even talk about Saigon.
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i've never heard of Nick Brongers by the way
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I don't care what it is, whatever the motivation or intention of the music, it just doesn't do it for me. This is average music to me, I don't care it's Eminem or anyone else.
BEATS
1) Relapse
2) Encore
3) Recovery
VOCALS
1) Recovery
2) Relapse
3) Encore
ALL 3: Average ass albums.
If you weren't a big Joe Budden fan maybe you opinion had more value :D
Eminem is a big Joe Budden fan.
Eminem is a Lil Wayne fan and he loves LL Cool J :wavey:
The fact that that means anything to you proves my point. You would be surprised at some of the artists your favorite rapper listens to, I always am. And how does that have any affect on the quality of the music? It doesn't.
As for you coming at me.. You're disagreeing? You think at least 1 of those 3 albums are "Great" albums aka above average? Which ones?
Yes, Relapse. Relapse is art to me. It's like listening to a good horror film full of humorous moments, sometime actually like a black comedy film with emotional moments with Beautiful, Deja Vu and Careful What You Wish For.
The beats are next level, I've never heard anything as polished as Same Song And Dance or Underground. At the same time very simplistic but at the same time made with an extremely good eye for detail, innovative sound even incorporating choir sound. All beats are extremely different, yet coherent.
The lyrics are the craziest, sickest shit ever, spit in a technically flawless and intricate way. Stay Wide Awake is a perfect example.
The album had weak point. The accent. But look at it in the context and you'll get over it.
That is the reason why I just brought up artists you listen too in my last post, too lazy to write a reply like this one.
My point is: You are as brainwashed as the people you call brainwashed, I bet you like every song Budden releases.
I secretly hoped you would understand that artists like Joe Budden, Ja Rule, The Lox and Saigon are in no way ever better than Eminem and have never made any album better than Relapse, recently.
Joe Budden? A dude with the most boring nasal voice who can't find a beat to save his life rapping more than 5 minutes about how depressed he is. No charisma either. No polished sound either.
Ja Rule could be considered the best out of those artists, but even from that point of view it's difficult to deny how he contributed to the decline of rap 10 years ago with his bullshit singing and selling out. The Lox? Rapping about street life they don't live since at least 2 decades , on stereotypical NY beats with punchlines thrown here and there? Let's not even talk about Saigon.
Yes, exactly why i love relapse! Dopest album of 2009 by a longshot. Actually the dopest album since 2003
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My point is: You are as brainwashed as the people you call brainwashed, I bet you like every song Budden releases.
I stopped reading after this. Budden's ratio is at best 50/50. This proves whatever point you're trying to prove wrong off the bat. If you think every one of Budden's songs is good, you needa get your ears checked cuz he puts out alot of whack shit.
Every artist makes bad songs man, face it. You don't have to force yourself to make a niche for each album so you can like it, just because it's your favorite artist. Give up and wait until he releases his next shit, and hopefully it will be better.
You did however explain to me why you like Relapse, and while I don't agree with your musical preference there, that is what I asked of you and enough to get props from me.
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i don't want to sound like Radiotube but don't we get it by now?
half of you don't like it, half of you do like it; none of you are going to change your opinion based off of what anyone else about the album.
it's whatever now; bump it you dig; otherwise delete & move on. ;)
The only time this statement pops up is when a fan like it and doesn't want to hear any negative critiques. If you followed your own advice you'd stop posting because it's meaningless.
lol, you've said the same thing in 11 straight posts; we get it, you don't like it.
don't get me wrong, you can keep saying whatever you want, i'm trying to save you some time here lol.
haha oh the irony man eminem fans kill me i swear haha they critisize rappers for the smallest shit but then they give passes to their white god shady for the same shit lol
another dude here just said that relapse is the best album since 2003? LMAO i mean if hes serious how can you not laugh? but nobody is called a stan or dickrider.
just funny to me
"yeah bro he had a dope flow on the album so the album is classic dude you dont know real hip-hop you probably like soulja boy and lil wayne" LMAO wtf
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After Relapse I made a list of things Eminem should do to make "Relapse 2" even better (I really like Relapse). Let's see how he fared:
1. Drop the accents
Reason: We all hate them. Eminem is seemingly the only one not realising how much they suck.
Result: Yes, indeed. Eminem came to his senses - they're gone.
2. Make shorter songs
Reason: Eminem albums tend to tiring because the songs are too goddamn long. You should leave the listener wanting more, not feeling fed up. Just like that Game 400 bars jam, that noone listened to in full. Some songs are long for a good reason (like "Stan"), but the vast majority of Eminem songs would be better in shorter form. Part of the charm of "Insane" on Relapse is that it is short. Had that gone on for another 2 minutes everyone would have hated it.
Result: Nope. Songs are still way too long. A full five tracks are 5 minutes or more, which is ridiculously long for a hip-hop track unless you have a ton of features, which Eminem doesn't.
3. Get outside production
Reason: We all love Dre's production. Less so with Eminems own production. But everybody needs to grow and challenge themselves. Let's hear Eminem flow on a Just Blaze beat, an Alchemist beat, a Havoc beat, a Khalil beat, a J.R.Rotem beat, a Kanye beat, etc.
Result: Yes, indeed, he followed suit. But you would think that he would have hotter beats given that I'm sure every hip-hop producer in the fuckin' world would kill to get on an Eminem album. Production is surprisingly average on Recovery.
4. Don't sing, ever! Get proper singers to do the singing.
Reason: Eminem is arguably the worst singer in the entire world. Yet he somehow thinks that he can sing. Let me put it this way: if I had to pick between the accent and the singing I would....kill myself.
Result: Eermmm....what the hell is he thinking? Instead of cutting down on singing, there's singing fuckin' EVERYWHERE on Recovery. This is gonna be the "accent issue" with this album. You have to wonder where Eminem's sense of reality is. First the accents, now the singing. Why is Dr.Dre - the most notorious perfectionist in the game - not telling Eminem that the accents suck and that singing is bad?
5. Keep varying the flow
Reason: One of the impressive things about Relapse is the variety of flows. Had he dropped the accents it would have been near perfect.
Result: Unfortunately Eminem has decided to rap almost exclusively in his "angry" voice. This gets very tiring on a whole album. He needs to switch it up.
how the hell can u make a song called 400 bars any shorter? its called 400 bars my man and actually had 3 mill views on wshh
anyway the only good eminem album is MMLP and maybe even Slim Shady LP. and even SSLP had aloooooot of filler. yet to white people this guy is their god and according to y'all aint in nobodys top 10 "because he's white" lol
okay lets say he got 2 good albums. and then what?
sslp - good
mmlp - dope
eminem show - wack
encore - wack
relapse - wack
recovery -wack
thats 4 wack albums but no i guess because he flowed so well on the album and dropped a few multis hes the best ever and every album is classic huh? lol
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
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People need to stop acting like the accent was a bad thing on Relapse, on half the songs I don't even notice it, and the songs he did use it wasn't even a bad thing because it fit with the beat and mood of album
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People need to stop acting like the accent was a bad thing on Relapse, on half the songs I don't even notice it, and the songs he did use it wasn't even a bad thing because it fit with the beat and mood of album
O played the shit outta the album, loved the concept of the songs, most of the hooks, the lyrics, the production....in the end, I still don't love the album because of that annoying accent. Its not "acting", I just dont' fucking like it. It was a gimmick that went wrong, and Em knows it.
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My point is: You are as brainwashed as the people you call brainwashed, I bet you like every song Budden releases.
I stopped reading after this. Budden's ratio is at best 50/50. This proves whatever point you're trying to prove wrong off the bat. If you think every one of Budden's songs is good, you needa get your ears checked cuz he puts out alot of whack shit.
Every artist makes bad songs man, face it. You don't have to force yourself to make a niche for each album so you can like it, just because it's your favorite artist. Give up and wait until he releases his next shit, and hopefully it will be better.
You did however explain to me why you like Relapse, and while I don't agree with your musical preference there, that is what I asked of you and enough to get props from me.
Thanks, but with a sig like yours don't be surprised if more people would think you love Budden's shit lol 8)
i've never heard of Nick Brongers by the way
(http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll462/Bishopilia/NickDrake.jpg)
''This well groomed seemingly pleasant and content man in this photo above is the most talented musician I have ever met. Some people play instruments, some people play instruments extremely well, and a few can manage to manipulate instruments and sounds to recreate an emotion only evoked by the original recordings of a Marvin Gaye or an Aretha Franklin...he is one of those few. Pair that with some of the most hilarious and witty conversation I've ever had (super pause), and you have a one Nick Brongers. I will not include his myspace or any sort of location info because I dont want you to contact him for beats...they're all mine.''
produced and wrote Drake's Over 8)
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It worked, and relapse was one of the best albums in last couple years
Dre helped make the album feel so cohesive, something that is missing in 99% of rap albums
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i've never heard of Nick Brongers by the way
''This well groomed seemingly pleasant and content man in this photo above is the most talented musician I have ever met. Some people play instruments, some people play instruments extremely well, and a few can manage to manipulate instruments and sounds to recreate an emotion only evoked by the original recordings of a Marvin Gaye or an Aretha Franklin...he is one of those few. Pair that with some of the most hilarious and witty conversation I've ever had (super pause), and you have a one Nick Brongers. I will not include his myspace or any sort of location info because I dont want you to contact him for beats...they're all mine.''
produced and wrote Drake's Over 8)
thanks for the info.
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^^^^^^^^
HipHop is alive baby...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oapn5EV8Vhk&feature=related
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There are 2 bonus tracks on the iTunes deluxe version release, surprised they haven't leaked yet.
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The reason I prefer Recovery over Relapse is because of the substance. On Recovery he is actually talking about stuff, spitting crazy rhyme schemes and becoming reflective with vulnerable lyrical content. Relapse was amazing flow and innovative style, but no substance at all. Of course it rhymed well, but mostly those were not real rhymes and the accent was the reason why it sounded fluently rhymed.
Also, Recovery has more diversity to it. You got tracks talking about Love in a way that is real and far from corny and I can strongly relate to ... you got tracks about him being frustrated because noone puts him up with the cliché top dogs, you got tracks where he gets cocky talking about him being sublime to the rap game, something he never did before until very recently.
And this is definitely the least commercial Eminem album. Of course it is not some underground Canibus shit, but still the least commercial Eminem album. By far even. You will definitely see far less 13-year-old girls bumping this than you did with Relapse or even his earlier CDs.
I personally prefer the more serious and reflective style to comedy rap... or weedsmoking, drinking 40s and clapping niggas rap.
But that is a personal perforation... either way, if you don't like the content, you still have to acknowledge that his raps are skilled, very much so. Personally, my main problem with this CD is a) he sings too much and b) the beats are far from as good as you would expect from Just Blaze and Dre, or any Eminem/Aftermath-Album for that matter. But hey, that gives it a more lyrical vibe and as I seem to like the content more than most people, that can be turned into a plus.
For instance, I love Space Bound... I can relate more to it than any rap song I heard during the last few years - plus the rhyme-chains are off the chain, the flow is full of emotion, energy and speed variations. The hook is a bit weird, but it fits the vibe of the song.
There's also some decent word plays... not amazing ones, but still good. From what I recall off the top of my head:
But I swear, you try to diss me, I'll slaughter you
I put that on everything, like everyone does with auto-tune
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Now you get to watch her leave
Out the window
Guess that's why they call it window pane/pain
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And while I'm being poetic, let me get a stork
And raise the bar higher than my opinion of these women has been lowered
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like a "fuck you" for christmas
His gift is a curse
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Ok quit playin' with the scissors and shit, and cut the crap
I shouldn't have to rhyme these words in the rhythm for you to know it's a rap/wrap
Anyways, even if you don't feel anything of what I'm saying, to call this CD "whack" is a bit retarded.
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It worked, and relapse was one of the best albums in last couple years
Dre helped make the album feel so cohesive, something that is missing in 99% of rap albums
fuck outa hea, GROUPIE
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Thanks, but with a sig like yours don't be surprised if more people would think you love Budden's shit lol 8)
I do love his shit, def my fav rapper. But that doesn't mean everything he puts out is good.
I hate people who build cases off sigs and shit. Some of the smartest music fans I know love to show pride in their artists, but are also the harshest critics, and far from dick riders.
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
Whack music is whack music. Again, an artist shouldn't get a pass just because of past accolades. You have to earn the praise of your music, each and every time.
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I will not argue that Recovery's content is more digestible or relateable but to say Relapse had no content is wrong.
3 A.M: return of Shady, Eminem's alter ego that promotes self-destructive habits
My Mom: review of his mother but instead of completely blaming her he attempts to relate to her issues because he sees how he is like her
Insane: a story of being raped by his father (I don't know how true any of this is. I know he said it's not real but one must wonder. Maybe it's a metaphor for the lack of a father figure in his life.)
Bagpipes From Baghdad: Mariah Carey & Nick Cannon diss
Hello: discussion of his drug addiction and the creation of shady
Same Song and Dance: a story about killing pop stars (a review of his disses against pop icons)
Medicine Ball: controversial lyrics for attention
Stay Wide Awake: the craziness of his mind
I can go on but each record has a concept and is about something, even if you can't relate to it. The major difference I see in content is that on Recovery it's more a tell all situation where he doesn't use metaphors and assumes the consumer is too stupid to follow along. Hence, instead of letting you assume he's talking about hip-hop on 25 to Life he tells you he's talking about hip-hop.
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
Whack music is whack music. Again, an artist shouldn't get a pass just because of past accolades. You have to earn the praise of your music, each and every time.
I know you feel that way so it's cool. I'm not really looking for a prolonged discussion but I do disagree.
Let me just get this out of the way, I don't listen to music like you do. I rarely every just hear "bad music" and then "good music." In all, or most music, I can see positive qualities and then negative qualities. There's a lot of music released and will continue to be released. Just because an artist releases a poor album (for them) it doesn't mean it's wack on the scale of music. I don't think it justifies them getting a pass and slacking but it doesn't mean that the poorer material they have is so bad it's wack. That's all I feel like typing about this. Hope you grasp what I'm conveying and how I listen to music.
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I will not argue that Recovery's content is more digestible or relateable but to say Relapse had no content is wrong.
3 A.M: return of Shady, Eminem's alter ego that promotes self-destructive habits
My Mom: review of his mother but instead of completely blaming her he attempts to relate to her issues because he sees how he is like her
Insane: a story of being raped by his father (I don't know how true any of this is. I know he said it's not real but one must wonder. Maybe it's a metaphor for the lack of a father figure in his life.)
Bagpipes From Baghdad: Mariah Carey & Nick Cannon diss
Hello: discussion of his drug addiction and the creation of shady
Same Song and Dance: a story about killing pop stars (a review of his disses against pop icons)
Medicine Ball: controversial lyrics for attention
Stay Wide Awake: the craziness of his mind
I can go on but each record has a concept and is about something, even if you can't relate to it. The major difference I see in content is that on Recovery it's more a tell all situation where he doesn't use metaphors and assumes the consumer is too stupid to follow along. Hence, instead of letting you assume he's talking about hip-hop on 25 to Life he tells you he's talking about hip-hop.
i agree
recovery isnt a bad album its just no where as good as relapse. i got about 5 songs to skip on recovery compared to just 1 on replapse and thats cuz its the single and i get sick of the single. and relapse is great album that flows from song 2 song the whole album. recovery is ehhhhh ok but the bad songs ruin the flow of the album- in fact im going to make my own version of the album removing the songs i cant stand. (the pink song, the rihanna song, the wayne song, the sudcution song... and couple more... )
and to whoever said recovery isnt more commercial. umm are listening to th same album,. its his more commercially safe album to date./
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Worst songs on recovery i mean there are some terrible songs
WTP - WTF
so bad - sounds like a plain and simple dr dre beat from 2004
no love - lil wayne ruins it from jump
wont back down - pink on the hook is a bad look . too cheesy
your never over - eminem singing toooo much
spacebound - beat is ok , but the hook is garbage
best songs
Talking 2 myself
cold wind blow
seduction
not afraid
Going through changes
On fire
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Recovery - average album hits and misses
Relapse - not very replayable , it wasnt that good
Encore - Worst album , i liked maybe 1 song
The Eminem Show - Classic to me
MMLP - Very good
SSLP - Classic
Infinite - Really good
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
Whack music is whack music. Again, an artist shouldn't get a pass just because of past accolades. You have to earn the praise of your music, each and every time.
I know you feel that way so it's cool. I'm not really looking for a prolonged discussion but I do disagree.
Let me just get this out of the way, I don't listen to music like you do. I rarely every just hear "bad music" and then "good music." In all, or most music, I can see positive qualities and then negative qualities. There's a lot of music released and will continue to be released. Just because an artist releases a poor album (for them) it doesn't mean it's wack on the scale of music. I don't think it justifies them getting a pass and slacking but it doesn't mean that the poorer material they have is so bad it's wack. That's all I feel like typing about this. Hope you grasp what I'm conveying and how I listen to music.
So I think you're saying: A good album from an artist you don't prefer is decent to you. And a bad album from an artist you prefer is also decent?
So Eminem can put out an album that isn't what we have grown to love and adore him for.. One that isn't why we have come to call him one of the best.. And it's okay?
The fact that we are saying this is "poor" by anyone's standards means there is a degree of whackness in the music..
If he puts out three albums that aren't upto "Eminem's standard", don't these 3 most recent albums become his new standard?
He has put out 3 good, and then 3 bad albums.
And so if his new standard is "average" music, why should we get so excited about him anymore?
It is because people are giving him a pass, there is no Eminem standard. If you hold standards per artist, you never allow yourself to hear a bad song from them.. To me your post is saying that just because it's Eminem, judging on all his past great songs, a bad song form him will still be decent. Like it's not possible for a shitty artist to become a good one, and vice versa? I don't believe that. That's why it's better to hold a "good music to whack music" standard.
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
Whack music is whack music. Again, an artist shouldn't get a pass just because of past accolades. You have to earn the praise of your music, each and every time.
I know you feel that way so it's cool. I'm not really looking for a prolonged discussion but I do disagree.
Let me just get this out of the way, I don't listen to music like you do. I rarely every just hear "bad music" and then "good music." In all, or most music, I can see positive qualities and then negative qualities. There's a lot of music released and will continue to be released. Just because an artist releases a poor album (for them) it doesn't mean it's wack on the scale of music. I don't think it justifies them getting a pass and slacking but it doesn't mean that the poorer material they have is so bad it's wack. That's all I feel like typing about this. Hope you grasp what I'm conveying and how I listen to music.
So I think you're saying: A good album from an artist you don't prefer is decent to you. And a bad album from an artist you prefer is also decent?
So Eminem can put out an album that isn't what we have grown to love and adore him for.. One that isn't why we have come to call him one of the best.. And it's okay?
The fact that we are saying this is "poor" by anyone's standards means there is a degree of whackness in the music..
If he puts out three albums that aren't upto "Eminem's standard", don't these 3 most recent albums become his new standard?
He has put out 3 good, and then 3 bad albums.
And so if his new standard is "average" music, why should we get so excited about him anymore?
It is because people are giving him a pass, there is no Eminem standard. If you hold standards per artist, you never allow yourself to hear a bad song from them.. To me your post is saying that just because it's Eminem, judging on all his past great songs, a bad song form him will still be decent. Like it's not possible for a shitty artist to become a good one, and vice versa? I don't believe that. That's why it's better to hold a "good music to whack music" standard.
A good album from an artist you don't prefer is decent to you. And a bad album from an artist you prefer is also decent?
Yeah, that's a nice little summary. Like take a cat like T.I who, for the most part, I don't enjoy listening to. It doesn't mean it's bad. It just means I don't like it. Where as an album from Nas can be released and be very disappointing for Nas but I can still enjoy it more than T.I album. I'm essentially arguing it's all subjective and that one can make some core arguments about the quality of the music that's objective (tends to more technical such as production, mixing, notes, vocals, word usage) but even there's still subjectivity in that.
Look, I'm not a very traditional Eminem fan. I didn't enjoy an album by him until Eminem Show. I loved Encore and though Relapse was phenomenal until he spoke publically about intentions for it. So, that means I don't enjoy or listen to Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, or Recovery (though I have given them all many spins). I don't even agree with your standard of his 3 good albums and his 3 bad albums so how can we even agree on what is wack?
My point goes beyond Eminem to artist like Nas (who is more fitting for me because I have no problem bumping his entire catalog). Nas can release subpar release that's disappointing for Nas but still be good in comparison to another artist album. So, the fact that Untitled felt disjointed, weighed down by poor beat doesn't mean it's a bad album but it had bad qualities yet it still remains listenable and enjoyable.
I'm not denying there's problems with the disappointing albums released by artist. I admit to them but also recognize despite these flaws I can enjoy it on another level.
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New Call of Duty trailer with "won't back down" music
http://www.youtube.com/v/_4kvSIIWqEs&hl
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Recovery - below average album. nothing great here, some good songs, more terrible songs. beats not so great. his worst album to date
Relapse - a very replayable cd it was in my changer 6 months straight ,great production aswell as a album that flowed from song to song
Encore - below average cd. not as bad as people make it tho, some good songs some terrible. atleast it was funny at times
The Eminem Show - very good album. great cd
MMLP - classic
SSLP - Classic
Infinite - never really got into it. it an ok underground first cd
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this is a good album to play if your feeling down. good beats and on point lyrics. eminem is just old to me. the second half of the album is where it hits the downslope.
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Recovery - average album hits and misses
Relapse - not very replayable , it wasnt that good
Encore - Worst album , i liked maybe 1 song
The Eminem Show - Classic to me
MMLP - Very good
SSLP - Classic
Infinite - Really good
yep
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The Slim Shady LP isn't a classic. Marshall Mathers LP BOMBS all over that album.
- The Eminem Show
- Marshall Mathers LP
- Infinite
- Recovery
- The Slim Shady LP/Encore/Relapse (tie). Encore a lil something but Relapse had better beats and SSLP was fresh but it wasn't anything special IMO except for a few standout tracks.
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Slim Shady LP:
My Name Is - A song that Eminem will be remembered for; a classic Hip Hop single.
Guilty Conscience - The definition of creativity & easily a classic.
Brain Damage - I don't know how anyone could front on this song, just amazing spit from start to finish.
If I Had... - A "real shit" kind of song.
Role Model - Personal classic of a song; ill message.
My Fault - A silly song, but it's enjoyable. Chill/Laidback beat.
Cum On Everybody - Alright, hit or miss song; I guess his fans would enjoy this moreso.
Rock Bottom - Sick song.
Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic Slim.
As The World Turns -
I'm Shady - An improved "My Fault", in my opinion. Just a really chill song to kick it to.
Bad Meets Evil - Classic Slim & Royce; BRING THESE DAYS BACK!
Still Don't Give A Fuck - To me, this is one of his best songs ever.
So overall, I see a lot of classic songs throughout this album; not as dark a feel as The Marshall Mathers LP or as content filled as The Eminem Show & production wise it's probably a notch below both but I think it's his second best album & surely a classic.
Putting it in the same league as Relapse & Encore is a joke to me.
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Slim Shady LP:
My Name Is - A song that Eminem will be remembered for; a classic Hip Hop single.
Guilty Conscience - The definition of creativity & easily a classic.
Brain Damage - I don't know how anyone could front on this song, just amazing spit from start to finish.
If I Had... - A "real shit" kind of song.
Role Model - Personal classic of a song; ill message.
My Fault - A silly song, but it's enjoyable. Chill/Laidback beat.
Cum On Everybody - Alright, hit or miss song; I guess his fans would enjoy this moreso.
Rock Bottom - Sick song.
Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic Slim.
As The World Turns -
I'm Shady - An improved "My Fault", in my opinion. Just a really chill song to kick it to.
Bad Meets Evil - Classic Slim & Royce; BRING THESE DAYS BACK!
Still Don't Give A Fuck - To me, this is one of his best songs ever.
So overall, I see a lot of classic songs throughout this album; not as dark a feel as The Marshall Mathers LP or as content filled as The Eminem Show & production wise it's probably a notch below both but I think it's his second best album & surely a classic.
Putting it in the same league as Relapse & Encore is a joke to me.
a lot of classic songs? LMAO, Nas wasn't lying, hip hop is dead
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Slim Shady LP:
My Name Is - A song that Eminem will be remembered for; a classic Hip Hop single.
Guilty Conscience - The definition of creativity & easily a classic.
Brain Damage - I don't know how anyone could front on this song, just amazing spit from start to finish.
If I Had... - A "real shit" kind of song.
Role Model - Personal classic of a song; ill message.
My Fault - A silly song, but it's enjoyable. Chill/Laidback beat.
Cum On Everybody - Alright, hit or miss song; I guess his fans would enjoy this moreso.
Rock Bottom - Sick song.
Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic Slim.
As The World Turns -
I'm Shady - An improved "My Fault", in my opinion. Just a really chill song to kick it to.
Bad Meets Evil - Classic Slim & Royce; BRING THESE DAYS BACK!
Still Don't Give A Fuck - To me, this is one of his best songs ever.
So overall, I see a lot of classic songs throughout this album; not as dark a feel as The Marshall Mathers LP or as content filled as The Eminem Show & production wise it's probably a notch below both but I think it's his second best album & surely a classic.
Putting it in the same league as Relapse & Encore is a joke to me.
a lot of classic songs? LMAO, Nas wasn't lying, hip hop is dead
yeah, that quote makes a lot of sense considering he said that years after this album was made. ::)
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Slim Shady LP:
My Name Is - A song that Eminem will be remembered for; a classic Hip Hop single.
Guilty Conscience - The definition of creativity & easily a classic.
Brain Damage - I don't know how anyone could front on this song, just amazing spit from start to finish.
If I Had... - A "real shit" kind of song.
Role Model - Personal classic of a song; ill message.
My Fault - A silly song, but it's enjoyable. Chill/Laidback beat.
Cum On Everybody - Alright, hit or miss song; I guess his fans would enjoy this moreso.
Rock Bottom - Sick song.
Just Don't Give A Fuck - Classic Slim.
As The World Turns -
I'm Shady - An improved "My Fault", in my opinion. Just a really chill song to kick it to.
Bad Meets Evil - Classic Slim & Royce; BRING THESE DAYS BACK!
Still Don't Give A Fuck - To me, this is one of his best songs ever.
So overall, I see a lot of classic songs throughout this album; not as dark a feel as The Marshall Mathers LP or as content filled as The Eminem Show & production wise it's probably a notch below both but I think it's his second best album & surely a classic.
Putting it in the same league as Relapse & Encore is a joke to me.
a lot of classic songs? LMAO, Nas wasn't lying, hip hop is dead
yeah, that quote makes a lot of sense considering he said that years after this album was made. ::)
Recovery is more of a gimmick album then you people claim Relapse to be and don't even realize it
and Nas saying that, he was also talking about the future (everything after that album came out)
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^are you high?
read my original post, i was reviewing The Slim Shady LP lol.
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^are you high?
read my original post, i was reviewing The Slim Shady LP lol.
oh damn LMAO
anyway: MMLP>>>EM Show>>SSLP>Relapse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Recovery>>>>>>>>>>>Encore
that's EMs career
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I'm sorry with some MCs, when you put their wack material in contrast to all of hip-hop, it's not really wack.
Whack music is whack music. Again, an artist shouldn't get a pass just because of past accolades. You have to earn the praise of your music, each and every time.
I know you feel that way so it's cool. I'm not really looking for a prolonged discussion but I do disagree.
Let me just get this out of the way, I don't listen to music like you do. I rarely every just hear "bad music" and then "good music." In all, or most music, I can see positive qualities and then negative qualities. There's a lot of music released and will continue to be released. Just because an artist releases a poor album (for them) it doesn't mean it's wack on the scale of music. I don't think it justifies them getting a pass and slacking but it doesn't mean that the poorer material they have is so bad it's wack. That's all I feel like typing about this. Hope you grasp what I'm conveying and how I listen to music.
So I think you're saying: A good album from an artist you don't prefer is decent to you. And a bad album from an artist you prefer is also decent?
So Eminem can put out an album that isn't what we have grown to love and adore him for.. One that isn't why we have come to call him one of the best.. And it's okay?
The fact that we are saying this is "poor" by anyone's standards means there is a degree of whackness in the music..
If he puts out three albums that aren't upto "Eminem's standard", don't these 3 most recent albums become his new standard?
He has put out 3 good, and then 3 bad albums.
And so if his new standard is "average" music, why should we get so excited about him anymore?
It is because people are giving him a pass, there is no Eminem standard. If you hold standards per artist, you never allow yourself to hear a bad song from them.. To me your post is saying that just because it's Eminem, judging on all his past great songs, a bad song form him will still be decent. Like it's not possible for a shitty artist to become a good one, and vice versa? I don't believe that. That's why it's better to hold a "good music to whack music" standard.
A good album from an artist you don't prefer is decent to you. And a bad album from an artist you prefer is also decent?
Yeah, that's a nice little summary. Like take a cat like T.I who, for the most part, I don't enjoy listening to. It doesn't mean it's bad. It just means I don't like it. Where as an album from Nas can be released and be very disappointing for Nas but I can still enjoy it more than T.I album. I'm essentially arguing it's all subjective and that one can make some core arguments about the quality of the music that's objective (tends to more technical such as production, mixing, notes, vocals, word usage) but even there's still subjectivity in that.
Look, I'm not a very traditional Eminem fan. I didn't enjoy an album by him until Eminem Show. I loved Encore and though Relapse was phenomenal until he spoke publically about intentions for it. So, that means I don't enjoy or listen to Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, or Recovery (though I have given them all many spins). I don't even agree with your standard of his 3 good albums and his 3 bad albums so how can we even agree on what is wack?
My point goes beyond Eminem to artist like Nas (who is more fitting for me because I have no problem bumping his entire catalog). Nas can release subpar release that's disappointing for Nas but still be good in comparison to another artist album. So, the fact that Untitled felt disjointed, weighed down by poor beat doesn't mean it's a bad album but it had bad qualities yet it still remains listenable and enjoyable.
I'm not denying there's problems with the disappointing albums released by artist. I admit to them but also recognize despite these flaws I can enjoy it on another level.
Big props my equal.
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^are you high?
read my original post, i was reviewing The Slim Shady LP lol.
oh damn LMAO
anyway: MMLP>>>EM Show>>SSLP>Relapse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Recovery>>>>>>>>>>>Encore
that's EMs career
Lol good shit.
MMLP>>>SSLP>Eminem Show>>>>>>>Relapse>>>>>>Recovery>>>>>>>>>>>Encore
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzrArpks3mk
lol.
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perhaps i missed this in the 17 pages, but what are the 2 bonus tracks available on itunes?
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It sounds like it to me but does anyone know if the majority if not the whole album was mixed by dre?
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MMLP 9/10>>SSLP 8/10>>>Relapse 7.5/10>Recovery 7.5/10>>The Eminem Show 7/10>>>Encore 5.5/10
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I will not argue that Recovery's content is more digestible or relateable but to say Relapse had no content is wrong.
3 A.M: return of Shady, Eminem's alter ego that promotes self-destructive habits
My Mom: review of his mother but instead of completely blaming her he attempts to relate to her issues because he sees how he is like her
Insane: a story of being raped by his father (I don't know how true any of this is. I know he said it's not real but one must wonder. Maybe it's a metaphor for the lack of a father figure in his life.)
Bagpipes From Baghdad: Mariah Carey & Nick Cannon diss
Hello: discussion of his drug addiction and the creation of shady
Same Song and Dance: a story about killing pop stars (a review of his disses against pop icons)
Medicine Ball: controversial lyrics for attention
Stay Wide Awake: the craziness of his mind
I can go on but each record has a concept and is about something, even if you can't relate to it. The major difference I see in content is that on Recovery it's more a tell all situation where he doesn't use metaphors and assumes the consumer is too stupid to follow along. Hence, instead of letting you assume he's talking about hip-hop on 25 to Life he tells you he's talking about hip-hop.
Let's not act as if this were some high-advanced methaphours with some deep meaning you just listed. It's basically just a story of him being fucked up in various ways.
Be careful what you wish for and My Darling are better content-wise in my opinion, cause he is actually is going into details on why he is fucked up.
Yes, he makes it more obvious, like in the end on 25 to life, a lot of rappers do that, e.g. Nas on that song where he's a gun
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, I copped this today and after 1½ listens I think this is up there with The Eminem Show. Shit is dooope!
EDIT: The only part the singing is wack is You're never over. Didn't even notice him singing as much as I thought he would. The beats are fresh!
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, I copped this today and after 1½ listens I think this is up there with The Eminem Show. Shit is dooope!
EDIT: The only part the singing is wack is You're never over. Didn't even notice him singing as much as I thought he would. The beats are fresh!
Agreed. For the most part I thought the singing was alright. It didn't work on that one, though. I think he should have found an actual singer to do the hook for that one.
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, I copped this today and after 1½ listens I think this is up there with The Eminem Show. Shit is dooope!
EDIT: The only part the singing is wack is You're never over. Didn't even notice him singing as much as I thought he would. The beats are fresh!
Agreed. For the most part I thought the singing was alright. It didn't work on that one, though. I think he should have found an actual singer to do the hook for that one.
Or a tight sample.
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, I copped this today and after 1½ listens I think this is up there with The Eminem Show. Shit is dooope!
EDIT: The only part the singing is wack is You're never over. Didn't even notice him singing as much as I thought he would. The beats are fresh!
Agreed. For the most part I thought the singing was alright. It didn't work on that one, though. I think he should have found an actual singer to do the hook for that one.
Or a tight sample.
Anything else would do, one of the worst dedication tracks in hip hop
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recovery is fukn dope..only shitty track is wont back down other than that its as good as it gets these days
dis album is good when your alone driving or workin out..eminem makes da best workout music
relapse > recovery??? first time i wanted to quote gucci THIS SHIT RIDICULOUS
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didn noe so many ppl hate encore
i use to listen to dat shyt all day sum solid tracks on there
plus i remember sum shyt like all those crazy diss tracks n shyt got leaked early n ruined the quality of encore so he re-recorded quik style n it was still a solid album
anyways i was jus chekin out other releases around da time of encore n damn music not just rap is gettin worse every year
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, I copped this today and after 1½ listens I think this is up there with The Eminem Show. Shit is dooope!
EDIT: The only part the singing is wack is You're never over. Didn't even notice him singing as much as I thought he would. The beats are fresh!
Agreed. For the most part I thought the singing was alright. It didn't work on that one, though. I think he should have found an actual singer to do the hook for that one.
Or a tight sample.
Anything else would do, one of the worst dedication tracks in hip hop
Without a doubt; I was truly disappointed after waiting so long to hear it.
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1. Cold Wind Blows - 3.75/5; The singing in the beginning is tolerable, the singing at the end is real weak; the verses are solid throughout. He goes for a lyrical, metaphorical kind of flow, which I like for an intro. Not amazing, but a good start to an album. Beat was bangin' too.
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe - 4/5; One of the better songs on the album. Kobe's hook was real overhyped mostly because he's one of those lesser-known hook guys & I think most of you just gave him the nod that it was great. I was good, fit the song. The topics Em touched on were dope & pretty informative. I didn't know he had problems with Wayne & Kanye to the point of dissing. One of the best songs with one of the best beats on the album.
3. On Fire - 3.75/5; It does sound like more a freestyle, but I fuck with it. The beat had a dark sound to it & he just went off with the flow. It's one of those songs I can bump for pure enjoyment, without a purpose than be upset that it doesn't have some morale or point to it. Basically letting us know, he's still got it. I can understand hate for it though.
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. Pink - 2.5/5; When it first came out, I was feeling the rock beat with the rap because I was always into that; but now that I have the entire album, it really doesn't fit. He went for the same kind of thing he did for "On Fire" & this is just the poor man's version. The Pink hook wasn't bad, but like it's been said, it didn't need Pink; it could of been anybody. Plus, if you want to compare it to "On Fire", he just sounded so much better on that. Weak.
5. W.T.P. - 2.5/5; Pretty lame attempt at a club joint lol. The beat is fucking BANGING though, I could almost fuck with this just off the beat. But Eminem isn't the kind of voice I want to hear when I'm doing my thing on the dance floor. To bang in the whip? Yeah, I'll listen to it here & there. Overall? Weak & doesn't fit the theme of the album.
6. Going Through Changes - 4/5; Speaks on Kim, Hayley & I believe he had a few lines about Proof mixed in there. One of the deeper songs, with a message. The singing isn't great, but it doesn't ruin the song; it's tolerable. The beat is solid, but the song is more about the lyrics he's spitting.
7. Not Afraid - 3.75/5; In my opinion, it's his best single since "The Eminem Show". The singing after the second verse is real weak, but I can get past it. The hook singing isn't bad & it's deep as far as singles go. Especially for an Eminem single. The beat has an annoying snare to it, but I was never a big fan of Boi-1da. Good song though.
8. Seduction - 3.75/5; It's a continuious theme throughout the album; none of these songs will be talked about when thinking of Eminem's career, none of them are eye-popping insane, but for the most part good. This song is a prime example. Deep, speaks on drugs & such, but it's nothing to be talked about. I fuck with it though. The beat is tight. The singing on the hook is probably one of the better ones he did, probably because he wasn't trying to hit high notes lol. One of my prefered songs though.
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne - 3.75/5; I think you guys went a little hard on the sample, I thought they did a great job with that. Corny? Maybe, but I was certainly feeling it. Lil' Wayne came correct, spit that slowish flow like on "Drop The World". Em really came through here. It's a real bumpable song. Em & Wayne are 2 for 2 in my book. 3 for 3 if you count "Forever".
10. Space Bound - 4.25/5; My personal favorite song off the album. The hook was was my shit. Em came correct on all verses, sounded serious. Not using silly little, drug-addict-type lines. More songs like this the better. Production didn't even need to be banging or insane, just a solid beat to keep it flowing.
11. Cinderella Man - 3.5/5; Another one of his "I'm the best" songs & it worked. The beat was a little...I don't know how to describe it, sounded generic for some reason. Em came tight though, flowed. Not much more to be said.
12. 25 to Life - 4.25/5; Easily the second best song off the album. The beat was ill. The hook was ill. But most importantly, Eminem shined on this. Before he gave it away at the end, I wasn't sure what he was talking about; but now putting the whole song in perspective, I love it. You can say it's lame he told us, but whatever, if you know what it means anyway, who cares? It's the kind of Eminem I want to hear from here on out, deep, personal songs. Really brought the emotion out on this one.
13. So Bad - 2.5/5; I don't know what it is, but I can't get into this song. The only hook he doesn't really sing, it's more of a jingle & it's just weak. Most of you only gave it a nod because it's the only Dre produced track. It was a tight beat, but Em didn't give it justice. It was just bad, plain & simple lol.
14. Almost Famous - 3.5/5; Speaks on his career. But my only complaint is he didn't sound focused. I wanted to hear more personal shit. His whole third verse was just like, "Yeah, nobody's fucking with me". He could of made this into a much better song. But for what it's worth, it's bumpable. I'm still kind of on the fence about the hook. Some days I feel it, some days I just want to skip over it lol..
15. Love the Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna - 4/5; Yeah, this will likely be a single. But I really feel this song. Rihanna comes through on the hook & Eminem spits the goods. I don't think it was about Kim, just any random bitch. More of a song people bump when they think of a girl. Love & hate sides to a relationship. You can call it poppy, but it had a great sound to it & I fuck with it all the way.
16. You’re Never Over - 3/5; I expected one million times the performance on this song. I basically listened to this whole album the first time through just waiting to hear this song. When I was on "So Bad", I was telling myself, "Oh yes, we're almost on this song". Right off the bat, the worst singing Eminem has ever done in his career. He should of gotten somebody to sing a deep hook or a great sample for this, but the singing was awful. The first verse is so focused on himself, I almost can't tell if it is a "tribute track" or not lol. The second verse is much tighter, but even that isn't what I expected. Maybe I just wanted so much more out of this, it makes me dislike the song, but this was a disappointment overall.
Final Grade; 3.5/5; solid throughout, some standout tracks, but nothing close to classic songs or songs we'll be talking about down the road. Besides "Space Bound" & "25 to Life" maybe.
The more I listen, the tighter the gap between this & Relapse comes. The accent stopped bothering me the second or third time I spun that album, so it's not even a major thing for me. I perfer a darker sound anyway, so that worked in Relapse's favor, plus his flow was much sharper. Lyrically, he was weaker on Relapse & he had weaker songs throughout. Recovery he only had 2-3.
I'm still sold on the thought most of the hate is coming from the fact it was hyped up like some of you really thought we were getting something like the MMLP & the disappointment drove the hate. But for what it's worth, it's tight.
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Lyrically, he was weaker on Relapse & he had weaker songs throughout. Recovery he only had 2-3.
Cham, I know we've been bickering about Recovery and a bunch of bullshit but why do you think this? I've heard people say his punchlines on Recovery are dope. I wasn't sure what they were talking about. Could you cite examples?
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mmlp>>eminem show/sslp>>>>>>Recovery>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Relapse>Encore
After the initial listening phase passed out etc, i think a 7-7.5/10 is a pretty fair score to this.
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Nice album. Not his best but definitely on point.
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Lyrically, he was weaker on Relapse & he had weaker songs throughout. Recovery he only had 2-3.
Cham, I know we've been bickering about Recovery and a bunch of bullshit but why do you think this? I've heard people say his punchlines on Recovery are dope. I wasn't sure what they were talking about. Could you cite examples?
Some of his punchlines are relatively weak; like "Put down the scissors and cut the crap". :-X
He has some corny sounding punchlines, like "You can get the dick, just call me the ballsack, I'm nuts" & "Listen garden tool, don't make me introduce you to my power tools, you know the fucking drill" & "Stick my dick in a circle, but I'm not fucking around" that's weak.
But...
"When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted because Marsh is not mellow" - "No Love"
"Sayin you sick quit playin you prick dont nobody care
Then why the fuck am I yellin at air
I aint even talkin to noone cause aint nobody there
Nobody will fuckin test me cause these hos wont even dare" - "On Fire"; I dig that.
There might be a few more, I don't remember off the top of my head.
Anyway, punchlines & metaphors aren't what I consider lyrical; to me, it's more about the topic & it's message or not.
Space Bound is lyrical for the content he spits, not his little creative way of spitting it.
& Relapse had flat out weak songs like, "Hello" & "Medicine Ball" those songs get love for what Dre did, but Em didn't really do it for me there.
But as I look back, I liked almost everything else, so maybe I just haven't done a fair look back at Relapse; but overall the better songs on this album are better than the better songs on that album.
I think I gave Relapse a 7/10, so basically they're tied lol; but if asked me which i prefered, I'd say Recovery.
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Yeah, I prefer Relapse but I definitely see the flaws in both albums.
His hook writing on Relapse > his hooks on Recovery
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Yeah, I prefer Relapse but I definitely see the flaws in both albums.
His hook writing on Relapse > his hooks on Recovery
Agreed, but at the same time, the hooks on Recovery didn't bother me/ruin the song for me; except on "You're Never Over".
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Lyrically, he was weaker on Relapse & he had weaker songs throughout. Recovery he only had 2-3.
Cham, I know we've been bickering about Recovery and a bunch of bullshit but why do you think this? I've heard people say his punchlines on Recovery are dope. I wasn't sure what they were talking about. Could you cite examples?
Some of his punchlines are relatively weak; like "Put down the scissors and cut the crap". :-X
He has some corny sounding punchlines, like "You can get the dick, just call me the ballsack, I'm nuts" & "Listen garden tool, don't make me introduce you to my power tools, you know the fucking drill" & "Stick my dick in a circle, but I'm not fucking around" that's weak.
But...
"When I'm not even in my harshest
You can still get roasted because Marsh is not mellow" - "No Love"
"Sayin you sick quit playin you prick dont nobody care
Then why the fuck am I yellin at air
I aint even talkin to noone cause aint nobody there
Nobody will fuckin test me cause these hos wont even dare" - "On Fire"; I dig that.
There might be a few more, I don't remember off the top of my head.
Anyway, punchlines & metaphors aren't what I consider lyrical; to me, it's more about the topic & it's message or not.
Space Bound is lyrical for the content he spits, not his little creative way of spitting it.
& Relapse had flat out weak songs like, "Hello" & "Medicine Ball" those songs get love for what Dre did, but Em didn't really do it for me there.
But as I look back, I liked almost everything else, so maybe I just haven't done a fair look back at Relapse; but overall the better songs on this album are better than the better songs on that album.
I think I gave Relapse a 7/10, so basically they're tied lol; but if asked me which i prefered, I'd say Recovery.
Quite crazy the way you have listed the dope punches and labeled them as weak, then the weak one you have said was good.
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^lol, which one?
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I actually think most of Eminem's punchlines are corny, especially because I'm supposed to take them seriously. Cham, is more on point on what's corny because those lines suck and the ones he listed, the phrase, is enjoyable.
There were glimpses of material I enjoyed liked.
Example: Cold Wind Blows
Probably my favorite bars from the album,
dance while I diss you to the beat, fuck the words
you don't listen to 'em anyway, yeah struck a nerve sucker
Motherfucker, might as well let my lips pucker
But then he follows it up with a bar I don't care for,
Like Elton John, cause I'm just a mean cock sucker
Yet, he comes back strong with,
This shit is on, cause you went and pissed me off
Now I'm sitting and pissing on everybody
Give a fuck if it's right or wrong
So buck the buddah, light a bong
I guess I'm not into Eminem's punchlines as I am into him speaking on real shit.
I like how he says he'll diss someone but then apologizes for almost dissing Ye and Weezy in the next track. Who the hell is he talking about? He should've just named names.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
you're so glad a white rapper is this big huh? now u finally feel like u got somethin 2 talk about lol. go fuck ur ear witchur finger.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
Really? That's honestly ... lame. I understand shaping your rhymes for technical reasons but you're essentially telling me has no real reason for saying what I quoted. He's just saying nothing. Am I wrong? Maybe I'm not following.
There's not point in saying a phrase like that if there wasn't something behind it and if there isn't anything behind then he ain't saying anything .
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
you're so glad a white rapper is this big huh? now u finally feel like u got somethin 2 talk about lol. go fuck ur ear witchur finger.
LOL, what? Sorry, we're not all as racist as you, buddy.
I don't know if you noticed (you're mentally not right upstairs, so I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't notice) but I talk about everybody who gets mention on this board.
Math LIKELY isn't your strong point, but the numbers show that black rappers outnumber white rappers, by a lot; so it would appear as if I talk about a lot of black rappers too. :loco:
The only other white rapper that gets mention on here is Asher Roth & I'm not even a fan of his music; he's got a few songs, but nothing to write home about.
Apathy is dope too, but he doesn't get talked about here either; so I don't see your point buddy; you just sound angry.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
Really? That's honestly ... lame. I understand shaping your rhymes for technical reasons but you're essentially telling me has no real reason for saying what I quoted. He's just saying nothing. Am I wrong? Maybe I'm not following.
There's not point in saying a phrase like that if there wasn't something behind it and if there isn't anything behind then he ain't saying anything .
I'm not in the mind of Eminem, so I honestly couldn't answer that. Maybe when he wrote it, he had someone in mind, but I'm like 90% sure that it's just a random line, not really directed at anybody.
On "Kill You", the whole song was about killing bitches, but it wasn't directed at one girl.
I guess if you're looking at it where he needs to be directing it, it's stupid; but if you can just enjoy the way he flows with it, it's nice to bump.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
you're so glad a white rapper is this big huh? now u finally feel like u got somethin 2 talk about lol. go fuck ur ear witchur finger.
LOL, what? Sorry, we're not all as racist as you, buddy.
I don't know if you noticed (you're mentally not right upstairs, so I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't notice) but I talk about everybody who gets mention on this board.
Math LIKELY isn't your strong point, but the numbers show that black rappers outnumber white rappers, by a lot; so it would appear as if I talk about a lot of black rappers too. :loco:
The only other white rapper that gets mention on here is Asher Roth & I'm not even a fan of his music; he's got a few songs, but nothing to write home about.
Apathy is dope too, but he doesn't get talked about here either; so I don't see your point buddy; you just sound angry.
see what i mean, u walked right n2 that... lame. guess i'm still the retard huh lol. u talk tha most shit but it's always so weak, grow somm
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^Walked right into what? LOL, you're a weird man.
& yes, you are still a retard...and a racist.
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^He probably isn't talking about anybody.
Besides diss songs that we were told who they were directed at, he's got lines on songs on every album like, "I'll stab you, you motherfucker"; yet, the "you" isn't aimed at anybody in particular; he's just using what works for his rhyme pattern.
Really? That's honestly ... lame. I understand shaping your rhymes for technical reasons but you're essentially telling me has no real reason for saying what I quoted. He's just saying nothing. Am I wrong? Maybe I'm not following.
There's not point in saying a phrase like that if there wasn't something behind it and if there isn't anything behind then he ain't saying anything .
It's called a battle rap bro, 9/10 raps are forumlated against the unkown emcee
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MY OFFCIAL REVIEW
1. "Cold Wind Blows" 4/5
dope song, beat is cool, nice way to start album
2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" 2.5/5
dont like the subject hating on relapse and enocre. putting himself down saying he wouldve lost to wayne or kanye. so just those 2 lines ruin the song for me
3. "On Fire" 4/5
nice track. he gets back on track here
4. "Won't Back Down" 2/5
terrible beat and hook not my style, not feeling this song at all
5. "W.T.P." 3/5
cool track. got some funny lines in it.
6. "Going Through Changes" 3.5/5
decent track, like the sample.
7. "Not Afraid" 3/5
good single. gets played out after awhile, but its a dope song
8. "Seduction" 2/5
cant stand the auto tune sample in the hook, the hook ruins song
9. "No Love" (featuring Lil Wayne) 1/5
wayne sucks so this song is ruined from the beginning, even Em dont come that hard on it
10. "Space Bound" 4.5/5
very dope track- one of the best on the album
11. "Cinderella Man" 2/5
this song has a good beat but the 'cindarella man' thing every 5 bars is annoying as hell
12. "25 to Life" 4/5
this is a nice track. good shit overall
13. "So Bad" 4/5
dr dre only beat and its decent. like the hook. fun track bout bitchez
14. "Almost Famous" 3.5/5
dope track. the hook can be annoying but it grows on ya
15. "Love the Way You Lie" (featuring Rihanna) 1/5
rihanna is annoying and whiny like usual. not feeling this one at all
16. "You're Never Over" 3.5/5
ok dedication, Ems flow is nice. the hook can get annoying tho
17. "Untitled" (hidden track) 3.5/5
bonus track is tight. nice beat nice rhymes
OVERALL 3.5/5 - some great songs, some terrible songs. beats were decent. i think this album missed dre's perfection tho. some beats get old after awhile. it a huge step down from relapse but it works for what it is.
SONGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT OFF
talkin 2 myself
wont back down
seduction
no love
cindarella man
BEST SONGS ON ALBUM
cold wind blows
fire
space bound
25 to life
so bad
WHERE THIS ALBUM RANKS WITH HIS DISCOGRAPHY- note i do like everyone of these albums
marshall mathers 5/5
slim shady 5/5
the eminem show 4.5/5
relapse 4.5/5
recovery 3.5/5
encore 3/5
infinite 3/5
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2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" 2.5/5
dont like the subject hating on relapse and enocre. putting himself down saying he wouldve lost to wayne or kanye. so just those 2 lines ruin the song
Best Song...... lol 2 lines ruin the song................
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2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" 2.5/5
dont like the subject hating on relapse and enocre. putting himself down saying he wouldve lost to wayne or kanye. so just those 2 lines ruin the song
Best Song...... lol 2 lines ruin the song................
for me it does those 2 things he says makes me not wanna fuck it tha track. cuz i hear him say some bullshit like that im like what the fuckk is he thinking./ that shit dont even make sense
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okay, few more spins and it´s getting better. but still the beats are monotone and hooks annoy me . not a bad album
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Every song is bout him bein crazy...whys it ok 4 him 2 cry bout this but gangsta rap aint cool even tho they both sell/sold?
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Every song is bout him bein crazy...whys it ok 4 him 2 cry bout this but gangsta rap aint cool even tho they both sell/sold?
Not really.
He makes the point that he's in control of himself these days.
This stage of his career is equivalent (to me) to 50 Cent & Jay-Z turning arounding & claiming to be businessmen/gentlemen.
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Every song is bout him bein crazy...whys it ok 4 him 2 cry bout this but gangsta rap aint cool even tho they both sell/sold?
Not really.
He makes the point that he's in control of himself these days.
This stage of his career is equivalent (to me) to 50 Cent & Jay-Z turning arounding & claiming to be businessmen/gentlemen.
except they've been businessmen their whole career.
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Yeah em was the never the 50 businessman type but that sides the point...im sayin he gets away wit cryin on every album...hes cried and talked bout same shit on every album and hes looked at as a master but gangsta rap is bad cuz its bout lowriders, gang bangin, etc...whys one ok and not the other? When they both have sold and tha underdog=gangsta rap is still n demand and his cryin isnt?
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Every song is bout him bein crazy...whys it ok 4 him 2 cry bout this but gangsta rap aint cool even tho they both sell/sold?
Not really.
He makes the point that he's in control of himself these days.
This stage of his career is equivalent (to me) to 50 Cent & Jay-Z turning arounding & claiming to be businessmen/gentlemen.
except they've been businessmen their whole career.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Tt1H5fprmqchttp://www.youtube.com/v/FRg_ZYUPEe8
Quite a difference, if you ask me. Not to mention that at the end of the George Lopez video he says after learning about business today, if he could go back he would of went to business school as a kid instead of rap. Meaning he didn't know anything about business at the start of his career lol.
I would basically be showing the same transformation if I went to old Jay videos; straight thug to "I'm too good to be a thug".
If you were trying to be "cute" there & meant they were both drug dealers & now they are "legitmate" businessmen..ha..ha, very funny but the change of character had nothing to do with showing the rise as a businessman, from drugs on the streets to CEO meetings; it's just times changed & being taken seriously was more important than being that "silly street guy"; that "thug look" got old & they both jumped on that "I'm a gentleman, a businessman & I should be taken more seriously by the public eye than the rest of you".
Eminem was the whiteboy equal to 50 & Jay's blackman thug with crazy wrecklessness & doing whatever, not caring, blah blah blah & now, he's going back, looking at the error of his ways & trying to convince people "he's a changed man". It's just a different character because acts get old. That's all music is, an act. Rap was designed to be sold, it didn't matter how it was done; just get your money & live life.
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2. "Talkin' 2 Myself" 2.5/5
dont like the subject hating on relapse and enocre. putting himself down saying he wouldve lost to wayne or kanye. so just those 2 lines ruin the song
Best Song...... lol 2 lines ruin the song................
for me it does those 2 things he says makes me not wanna fuck it tha track. cuz i hear him say some bullshit like that im like what the fuckk is he thinking./ that shit dont even make sense
Its Fucking music nothing more.......
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I heard the album a few days ago, very great album, almost perfect. Better music, Eminem's serious on all of the album. Only flaws of the album is that he had to have Wayne on there, only song that wasn't good. And the last song with Rihanna was alright. Great choice of music, bone thugs & juvenile coulda used this music on their last 2 albums. Whoever did the music on recovery, Eminem should get them for D-12's new album & get them to do serious stuff instead of the clown songs they've did in the past & they could be taken seriously. Do it for Bugs, heck do it for Proof even.
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If you dont understand rap and all that shit,dont listing rap. thats it. You look stopit when u said battl nobody is wack,thats what all mc's do,from Rakim,G Rap,Wu Tang,Onyx's....shit... ::) ::) ??? ??? :-X :-X
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If you dont understand rap and all that shit,dont listing rap. thats it. You look stopit when u said beetl nobody is wack,thats what all mc's do,from Rakim,G Rap,Wu Tang,Onyx's....shit... ::) ::) ??? ??? :-X :-X
lol wut
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spell it wrong ;D
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EM is the Britney spears of hip hop