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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Hancock on December 23, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
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I am not calling this guy out, but I am calling anyone out that believes Daz is great at producing. I don't care about his rapping ability. I am talking about producing.
I know DJ Quik gets multiple threads per month about his status and production, but THETRUTHUG's thread about DJ Quik not being a genius not only made me laugh my ass off, but made pissed off at the same time.
Did this motherfucker just say Daz is the greatest rapper-producer of all-time? Are you serious, bro? Sorry, but Q-Tip has a word to say with you. Seriously, all of Q-Tip's solo albums shit on all of Daz's catalogue. It's not even close!
I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Now, where am I going? Listen, I like some of Daz's work, but you have to be out of your fucking mind if you think this guy produced Ambitonz az a Ridah, I Ain't Mad at Cha, etc.
If he produced classics like this back on Deathrow, how come he has never done anything even close to this after 1998?
THETRUTHUG, Daz has done nothing close to this type of production, EVER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P4WgbZdvKE
There's no evidence so far in the past that I have seen that says Daz produced the classic songs on Deathrow especially the 2Pac songs. I Ain't Mad at Cha is beautifully constructed and it sounds like something DJ Quik would have done, not fucking Daz. I am not buying it. Show me some physical evidence or some interviews of Daz. Shit, even Daz can speak for himself. I know he posts on this forum from time to time. Daz has a false reputation since forever. He is overrated as fuck. Kurupt has always been a better rapper. Kurupt produced Tattoo Tearz (OG) for 2Pac and that beat is insane. Has Daz done anything like this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HpUbYthscY
Classic DJ Quik production that was done on Deathrow for 2Pac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xkKU6LknQ
^^^Daz ain't fucking with a beat like this!!! Daz is not capable of doing this like this.
Anyone can participate in this. I want to know why Daz is so revered on this forum. I have heard some absurd shit, but greatest rapper-producer ever???
So, Daz is better than:
Pete Rock, Dr. Dre, Q-Tip, Kanye West, Diamond D, Havoc, RZA...
lmfao, get the fuck outta here!
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Saying he's the greatest is ridiculous, you're going overboard saying he's not even "good" though.
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Every dpg album and every daz album(except the one he did with no production from him of course) has good daz beats(and iam talking since 98 not just prior).
All that you have to do it listen to all dpg albums and daz albums and you cant tell me that there isnt good and great production on them.
Yeah i know some were he and soopafly or mike dean etc but still..
He did good production on Kurupt albums also. Did shit for the lost boys and the who ridaz and shit in the past.
I think he is a very good producer.
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I'd say Daz is a good producer. Once again, I still think we're a little too hung up on beats when it comes to analyzing production. It has been done a great deal with Dr. Dre and I think it's happening here with Daz. I think the difference in Daz, post-Death Row, as opposed to Dre and Quik, is that the latter two still have access to the best studios and musicians and consider themselves producers first, artists second.
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sounds like an angry dj quik fan, chill out, it's only music.
soopafly confirmed on this very board that he & daz produced I ain't mad at cha. i believe that most of the greatness associated with daz's productions comes from his co-producers and musicians : soopafly, mike dean, etc. imo daz makes the basic drum loop / structure. still we don't know for sure, it's only educated guesses. and daz has a nice catalogue. so we know for sure that daz has a catalogue of classic songs, but we don't know his involvement.
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Daz is one of the best producer ...during or after Death rows records ! and dont compare Daz to DJ Quik , their style are completly different even opposites . Daz is minimalist (the producer not the rapper) Quik is more funky, 70's or early 80's type of funk and disco . Daz has a modern style . If you can find many influences in DJ Quik's music , Dog Food by DPG was completly original and new .
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Daz is a good producer.
Ain't Mad Cha,Ambition of Ridah,2 Amerikas Most Wanted,Skandalouz,Dogg Food album e various Daz productions through the years are dope.Cool Music.
But let's be real ...
MUSICALLY.. pick one DJ Quik beat..
Dollaz+Sense for example..
MUSICALLY,TECHNICALLY,Structurally with one track DJ Quik destroyed everything Daz made . But Daz songs remain cool.
And speaking of production, no rapper / producer will reach the level of making a Rhythm-al-ism LP.
This is perfection.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Do you remember the thread I made about this topic? I still think my point seems basically correct. It defies credibility to assign five of the greatest beats from the 90s to a producer who went on to produce nothing even remotely as good. It's like one of the engineers said in an interview: Daz turned on the machine and dropped the bassline, the entire rest of the beat is by other people.
Nobody's talent declines so sharply. Either Daz acquired a mental illness or he didn't really produce the AEOM beats.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Do you remember the thread I made about this topic? I still think my point seems basically correct. It defies credibility to assign five of the greatest beats from the 90s to a producer who went on to produce nothing even remotely as good. It's like one of the engineers said in an interview: Daz turned on the machine and dropped the bassline, the entire rest of the beat is by other people.
Nobody's talent declines so sharply. Either Daz acquired a mental illness or he didn't really produce the AEOM beats.
MOB. That's right homie. Perfect
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Responding to the thread.. I Think Daz is a good producer!! But not a genius.
Man I Love DPG "Hittin Donutz in The Streets" "U Remind Me" "I Luv When U" "Vibe" "Can't Get Enough" "Dat Ain't My Baby" "Good Azz DAY" and many others. This shit is on my ipod for years.
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Daz is a good producer.
Ain't Mad Cha,Ambition of Ridah,2 Amerikas Most Wanted,Skandalouz,Dogg Food album e various Daz productions through the years are dope.Cool Music.
But let's be real ...
MUSICALLY.. pick one DJ Quik beat..
Dollaz+Sense for example..
MUSICALLY,TECHNICALLY,Structurally with one track DJ Quik destroyed everything Daz made . But Daz songs remain cool.
And speaking of production, no rapper / producer will reach the level of making a Rhythm-al-ism LP.
This is perfection.
I agree. daz production from '93-'98 was mean though.
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Daz is a good producer.
Ain't Mad Cha,Ambition of Ridah,2 Amerikas Most Wanted,Skandalouz,Dogg Food album e various Daz productions through the years are dope.Cool Music.
But let's be real ...
MUSICALLY.. pick one DJ Quik beat..
Dollaz+Sense for example..
MUSICALLY,TECHNICALLY,Structurally with one track DJ Quik destroyed everything Daz made . But Daz songs remain cool.
And speaking of production, no rapper / producer will reach the level of making a Rhythm-al-ism LP.
This is perfection.
How you gonna say Dollaz & Sense beat > everything Daz has done? lol. Skandalouz beat > Dollaz & Sense.
Back on topic, DJ Quik >>>>>>>>>>>>> Daz. DJ Quik is one of my favourite producers, doesn't get the credit he deserves. Daz's production in the 90's was dope though.
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sounds like an angry dj quik fan, chill out, it's only music.
soopafly confirmed on this very board that he & daz produced I ain't mad at cha. i believe that most of the greatness associated with daz's productions comes from his co-producers and musicians : soopafly, mike dean, etc. imo daz makes the basic drum loop / structure. still we don't know for sure, it's only educated guesses. and daz has a nice catalogue. so we know for sure that daz has a catalogue of classic songs, but we don't know his involvement.
Oh please and don't tell me to chill out. I will rip your ass to shreds. Don't even go there.
Anyway, I am not a DJ Quik stan. I listen to all regions of hip hop, which is why my OP mentions east coast rappers. I found what THETRUTHUG said in his thread to be absolutely ludicrous. He must have been high on something.
I don't hate Daz. I like some of Daz's solo stuff and I love Dogg Food and many of DPG's songs. Did I ever say I didn't like Daz? I said he was OVERRATED. I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Don't put words in my cyber mouth, boy. Daz is a good producer, not great, but good. There are many producers that are better than him. and DJ Quik is far and away better. DJ Quik is in this conversation because of that ridiculous thread about DJ Quik not being a genius and then it is mentioned Daz is the greatest rapper/producer ever and that rubbed me the wrong way. It's just not true. It's straight trolling.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Do you remember the thread I made about this topic? I still think my point seems basically correct. It defies credibility to assign five of the greatest beats from the 90s to a producer who went on to produce nothing even remotely as good. It's like one of the engineers said in an interview: Daz turned on the machine and dropped the bassline, the entire rest of the beat is by other people.
Nobody's talent declines so sharply. Either Daz acquired a mental illness or he didn't really produce the AEOM beats.
No, I don't remember your thread. Could you give me the link to it, please?
I agree with you 100% about Daz. Either he has production amnesia or he never made those AEOM beats. Something isn't right about this shit. I am sure you, me and others know this too.
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Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.
That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.
To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.
After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.
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Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.
That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.
To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.
After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.
I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.
Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.
I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.
I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.
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sounds like an angry dj quik fan, chill out, it's only music.
soopafly confirmed on this very board that he & daz produced I ain't mad at cha. i believe that most of the greatness associated with daz's productions comes from his co-producers and musicians : soopafly, mike dean, etc. imo daz makes the basic drum loop / structure. still we don't know for sure, it's only educated guesses. and daz has a nice catalogue. so we know for sure that daz has a catalogue of classic songs, but we don't know his involvement.
Oh please and don't tell me to chill out. I will rip your ass to shreds. Don't even go there.
Anyway, I am not a DJ Quik stan. I listen to all regions of hip hop, which is why my OP mentions east coast rappers. I found what THETRUTHUG said in his thread to be absolutely ludicrous. He must have been high on something.
I don't hate Daz. I like some of Daz's solo stuff and I love Dogg Food and many of DPG's songs. Did I ever say I didn't like Daz? I said he was OVERRATED. I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Don't put words in my cyber mouth, boy. Daz is a good producer, not great, but good. There are many producers that are better than him. and DJ Quik is far and away better. DJ Quik is in this conversation because of that ridiculous thread about DJ Quik not being a genius and then it is mentioned Daz is the greatest rapper/producer ever and that rubbed me the wrong way. It's just not true. It's straight trolling.
well you seem to have gotten your feathers ruffled by the fact that some people may have a different opinion than yours, hence my saying chill out. your threatening me to rip my ass to shreds (terrifying threat btw) seems to validate my advice. you said it yourself, an internet thread rubbed you the wrong way.
I didn't say you hated Daz, if anything, you're the one putting words in my mouth, boy. If you read my post, I'm more or less agreeing with you, I just think it's a bit sad to catch feelings over different opinions when it's the fundamental basis of a forum.
the person who said Daz was the greatest rapper/producer ever was I believe indeed trolling. Infinite is a master at the art of trolling, those who've been on the forum long enough know this.
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Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.
That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.
To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.
After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.
I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.
Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.
I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.
I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.
that we can agree on : daz is overrated and has a reputation as a producer he doesn't deserve (he's still a pioneer/legend though). i'm still a fan though. however, there's a lot of music he produced after AEOM that I liked better (his AEOM beats are really not my favorite beats of his), but that's just a matter of taste, I guess.
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Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.
That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.
To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.
After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.
I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.
Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.
I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.
I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.
My arguments not directly with you or true thug.
Just illustrating how a label sound is built (with progression of projects, outside trends, changes in equipment/studio facilities, and the chemistry and shared mindset of the players involved) and developed (over time) and how anyone with the right attitude can graduate to a be pilot of that sound and create something of their own.
Remember the Death Row sound was in part an evolution of Dre's earlier sound. Just like the early Aftermath sound was another evolution for Dre, but with a new set of musicians and $$$ studio facilities (something Daz could never do when he left Death Row).
Going back to the AEOM sessions, I believe the musical style changed yet again in line Pac's established sound, and Daz using more of Johnny J's team. And working within the albums overall sound which would develop throughout the sessions.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Now, where am I going? Listen, I like some of Daz's work, but you have to be out of your fucking mind if you think this guy produced Ambitonz az a Ridah, I Ain't Mad at Cha, etc.
There's no evidence so far in the past that I have seen that says Daz produced the classic songs on Deathrow especially the 2Pac songs. I Ain't Mad at Cha is beautifully constructed and it sounds like something DJ Quik would have done, not fucking Daz. I am not buying it. Show me some physical evidence or some interviews of Daz. Shit, even Daz can speak for himself. I know he posts on this forum from time to time. Daz has a false reputation since forever. He is overrated as fuck. Kurupt has always been a better rapper. Kurupt produced Tattoo Tearz (OG) for 2Pac and that beat is insane. Has Daz done anything like this??
lmfao, get the fuck outta here!
Thing is, to have this sort of debate, you have to believe that any song that has Daz's name in the liner notes as a producer means that he actually produced that song. If your argument is "he never produced any good songs, and the good songs that he did supposedly produce were not really him"...that's not much of an argument. You can't have it both ways. If you believe Daz stole credit for other producer's work, then you must also believe that Daz got some of his work stolen by Dre for the Chronic and Doggystyle, etc.
Basically you've set it up so there's no way you can lose the argument. If people rebuke your stance with examples of great songs that Daz produced, you will just say "i don't believe he actually produced it", thus, there's no way to win the argument. If you are going to take the stance that all sorts of producers at Death Row stole production work from all different sorts of producers and never gave them proper credit (J.Flexx, Sam Sneed, Soopafly, etc.) then the argument is a moot point because none of us were there so nobody knows for sure.
I would think for the sake of this debate, any liner notes that has Daz's name on it as a producer means he produced the song (for this discussion only). And i know Soopafly helped Daz with a bunch of songs and he never got credit, but there's no way to know for sure which songs those were and to what extent he helped him.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Now, where am I going? Listen, I like some of Daz's work, but you have to be out of your fucking mind if you think this guy produced Ambitonz az a Ridah, I Ain't Mad at Cha, etc.
There's no evidence so far in the past that I have seen that says Daz produced the classic songs on Deathrow especially the 2Pac songs. I Ain't Mad at Cha is beautifully constructed and it sounds like something DJ Quik would have done, not fucking Daz. I am not buying it. Show me some physical evidence or some interviews of Daz. Shit, even Daz can speak for himself. I know he posts on this forum from time to time. Daz has a false reputation since forever. He is overrated as fuck. Kurupt has always been a better rapper. Kurupt produced Tattoo Tearz (OG) for 2Pac and that beat is insane. Has Daz done anything like this??
lmfao, get the fuck outta here!
Thing is, to have this sort of debate, you have to believe that any song that has Daz's name in the liner notes as a producer means that he actually produced that song. If your argument is "he never produced any good songs, and the good songs that he did supposedly produce were not really him"...that's not much of an argument. You can't have it both ways. If you believe Daz stole credit for other producer's work, then you must also believe that Daz got some of his work stolen by Dre for the Chronic and Doggystyle, etc.
Basically you've set it up so there's no way you can lose the argument. If people rebuke your stance with examples of great songs that Daz produced, you will just say "i don't believe he actually produced it", thus, there's no way to win the argument. If you are going to take the stance that all sorts of producers at Death Row stole production work from all different sorts of producers and never gave them proper credit (J.Flexx, Sam Sneed, Soopafly, etc.) then the argument is a moot point because none of us were there so nobody knows for sure.
I would think for the sake of this debate, any liner notes that has Daz's name on it as a producer means he produced the song (for this discussion only). And i know Soopafly helped Daz with a bunch of songs and he never got credit, but there's no way to know for sure which songs those were and to what extent he helped him.
It's been said by Snoop and others that Daz would lay out the foundation of the beat. Then the others took it and made it into a solid beat. Daz lacks final production. Just listen to his albums now. So, he has talent, but needs someone to put the finishing touches on his shit. It's very obvious when you compare his new shit vs. someone else cleaning the shit up.
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^^^^ ALOT of beat-makerz have that problem.
Daz's real problem is that he doesn't generate enuff interest
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Daz was only good when Dre was polishing his turds.
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I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...
Do you remember the thread I made about this topic? I still think my point seems basically correct. It defies credibility to assign five of the greatest beats from the 90s to a producer who went on to produce nothing even remotely as good. It's like one of the engineers said in an interview: Daz turned on the machine and dropped the bassline, the entire rest of the beat is by other people.
Nobody's talent declines so sharply. Either Daz acquired a mental illness or he didn't really produce the AEOM beats.
No, I don't remember your thread. Could you give me the link to it, please?
I agree with you 100% about Daz. Either he has production amnesia or he never made those AEOM beats. Something isn't right about this shit. I am sure you, me and others know this too.
Here you go, homie, peep this link: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=305312.0
You will see that I made a pretty strong case for the AEOM beats not being Daz Dillinger beats. Many people agreed with me, but Daz himself came into the thread and claimed the beats were entirely made by him, lol.
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I must admit it is ironic that Daz's production on All Eyez On Me was better than everything he produced before and after it. I'm guessing Quik tweaked the shit out of some of those songs.
Not saying Daz hasn't produced some great shit but he's usually just a dope drum programmer.
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MobNigga06, thanks for the link to your thread!
I apologize to the poster that I got into a fight with. I am sorry. Shit like this fires me up because I know it's trolling, but it got to me for some strange reason. I won't flame anyone anymore. I will be a man about this.
Now, Soopafly DPG, no, that's not my argument whatsoever. I don't know why you said if someone showed me proof Daz did the AEOM beats then I would write it off as bullshit is not what I am going to do.
I decided to bang Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back last night. It was a good album. I liked 8 songs out of 16. I haven't head the album since 1999, so I was disappointed that it didn't have that classic feel to it. Funny how I was listening to DJ Quik's whole discography 2 weekends ago and his first 4 albums have the classic feel.
I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof. Many people on here have said Dogg Food sounds like Dr. Dre beats and I agree. You know Deathrow credit was shady back in the day.
Oh yeah, you will come back and say how do I know Dre made the production he made? Listen to the NWA albums, D.O.C.'s debut, etc. It's his sound at the time. The production on RRG is not spectacular to me.
I will look at the thread MOBNigga06 gave me.
Merry Christmas to everyone!
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For those saying I am hating on Daz, I just got through hearing Dogg Food and Daz's production on Nate Dog's G-Funk Classics, and the beats are bananas. Dogg Food is a 5 star album and still sounds amazing til this day. I've never heard Nate Dogg's first album, so this was new to me. I did hear Nobody Does it Better before, which was my favorite song in middle school, but never heard his first album. It's nice shit.
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a lot of bullshit in this thread ...
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Lol. Take it easy buddy
Go and read rhe thread again. I did not say anything about daz ..
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Lol. Take it easy buddy
Go and read rhe thread again. I did not say anything about daz ..
Yeah, he confused you with Infinite, Daz's biggest fan and defender on this forum. But the mistake is understandable, cuz you were trying to deprive a genius of the title of genius...lol. I ain't mad at cha.
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LMFAO goddamn he called dude out for nothing name all in the thread title in the main section hahaha
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the truth is that Daz got lazy over the years.
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Daz has continuously produced dope beats over the years. Quite possibly his best work was on All Eyez on Me, but there's plenty of tracks of his where you can hear a distinct sound. Even up through the late 2000's with Dogg Chit there was some great stuff. Back in 95-96 he was a producer first and rapper second. That obviously changed from 98-on, so it's easy to see that his production wouldn't quite be on par with All Eyez on Me.
Same can be said for Kanye West. His shit before he dropped his first album, and a lot of the shit he was producing for other folks from 2000-2007 or so was amazing. He doesn't quite produce like that anymore, because he's obviously a rapper first now. He hardly even makes beats on his own albums now.
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Daz is a great producer. Second best in history, behind only his mentor, Dre.
Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense like "substantila tyranasourus garagantua" meanwhile Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
I didn't realize praising Daz was a troll tactic. Who the fuck sits around and says, "hey.. you know what will really piece off mutheruckers on the internet... if I start acting like huge Daz fan!"
Nobody fucking does that. I don't see how it is such a stretch to say that the guy who produced on albums such as All Eyez on Me, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Murder Was the Case, etc., might just be one of the best producers out there!? How the fuck is it a stretch to say that?
You guys are all fucking out to prove how much you know about hiphop that you want to champion DJ Quik just so you sound like you know more than the average muthefucker. DJ Quik was a fucking bench player on Death Row and he's somewhat of novelty act so you think it makes you look like you know more than the average mutherfucker. I'm not saying you all are faking, I do believe you are sincere fans of quik because quik is dope. But DJ Quik also produced for 2pac, and he made joints like "Heartz of Men" and "Late Night". Sure those are dope joints but how the fuck you can think that the guy producin hearts of men is on the same level as the mutherfucking genius that produced "Ambitionz of a Ridah" is why I don't have respect for anyone at this forum. Off the top of my head I have respect for MDogg and OG Classic Material and MOB but I honestly can't think of anyone else off the top of my head right now.
You all are full of shit trying to argue that Quik is better than Daz and make me sound like some fuckin wierdo for saying the mutherfucker who produced on the greatest rap albums of all time was better. Fuck y'all eat a dick!
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
I didn't realize praising Daz was a troll tactic. Who the fuck sits around and says, "hey.. you know what will really piece off mutheruckers on the internet... if I start acting like huge Daz fan!"
Nobody fucking does that. I don't see how it is such a stretch to say that the guy who produced on albums such as All Eyez on Me, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Murder Was the Case, etc., might just be one of the best producers out there!? How the fuck is it a stretch to say that?
You guys are all fucking out to prove how much you know about hiphop that you want to champion DJ Quik just so you sound like you know more than the average muthefucker. DJ Quik was a fucking bench player on Death Row and he's somewhat of novelty act so you think it makes you look like you know more than the average mutherfucker. I'm not saying you all are faking, I do believe you are sincere fans of quik because quik is dope. But DJ Quik also produced for 2pac, and he made joints like "Heartz of Men" and "Late Night". Sure those are dope joints but how the fuck you can think that the guy producin hearts of men is on the same level as the mutherfucking genius that produced "Ambitionz of a Ridah" is why I don't have respect for anyone at this forum. Off the top of my head I have respect for MDogg and OG Classic Material and MOB but I honestly can't think of anyone else off the top of my head right now.
You all are full of shit trying to argue that Quik is better than Daz and make me sound like some fuckin wierdo for saying the mutherfucker who produced on the greatest rap albums of all time was better. Fuck y'all eat a dick!
you need help
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brian you ignorant slut.
he couldnt sign to deathrow because of contract issues at profile. let me break this down in terms a fanboy like you could only understand
i promise you this suge believed in quik way more then he believed in daz. he put the battery in daz back strictly to spite dr dre....he executive produced and promoted safe and sound STILL after the negotiations went flat. thats how much he fucked with quik. suge used daz as a tool to piss dre and snoop off at different points in thier careers, you stupid bitch.
daz aint produced shit fly since ambitions and ambitions is a simplistic fucking track that an engineer made sound good all his other shit on all eyez was collaborations with him and soopafly and dj quik.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
I didn't realize praising Daz was a troll tactic. Who the fuck sits around and says, "hey.. you know what will really piece off mutheruckers on the internet... if I start acting like huge Daz fan!"
Nobody fucking does that. I don't see how it is such a stretch to say that the guy who produced on albums such as All Eyez on Me, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Murder Was the Case, etc., might just be one of the best producers out there!? How the fuck is it a stretch to say that?
You guys are all fucking out to prove how much you know about hiphop that you want to champion DJ Quik just so you sound like you know more than the average muthefucker. DJ Quik was a fucking bench player on Death Row and he's somewhat of novelty act so you think it makes you look like you know more than the average mutherfucker. I'm not saying you all are faking, I do believe you are sincere fans of quik because quik is dope. But DJ Quik also produced for 2pac, and he made joints like "Heartz of Men" and "Late Night". Sure those are dope joints but how the fuck you can think that the guy producin hearts of men is on the same level as the mutherfucking genius that produced "Ambitionz of a Ridah" is why I don't have respect for anyone at this forum. Off the top of my head I have respect for MDogg and OG Classic Material and MOB but I honestly can't think of anyone else off the top of my head right now.
You all are full of shit trying to argue that Quik is better than Daz and make me sound like some fuckin wierdo for saying the mutherfucker who produced on the greatest rap albums of all time was better. Fuck y'all eat a dick!
LOL @ your lack of ability to have a conversation without getting emotional. Jesus.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
I didn't realize praising Daz was a troll tactic. Who the fuck sits around and says, "hey.. you know what will really piece off mutheruckers on the internet... if I start acting like huge Daz fan!"
Nobody fucking does that. I don't see how it is such a stretch to say that the guy who produced on albums such as All Eyez on Me, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Murder Was the Case, etc., might just be one of the best producers out there!? How the fuck is it a stretch to say that?
You guys are all fucking out to prove how much you know about hiphop that you want to champion DJ Quik just so you sound like you know more than the average muthefucker. DJ Quik was a fucking bench player on Death Row and he's somewhat of novelty act so you think it makes you look like you know more than the average mutherfucker. I'm not saying you all are faking, I do believe you are sincere fans of quik because quik is dope. But DJ Quik also produced for 2pac, and he made joints like "Heartz of Men" and "Late Night". Sure those are dope joints but how the fuck you can think that the guy producin hearts of men is on the same level as the mutherfucking genius that produced "Ambitionz of a Ridah" is why I don't have respect for anyone at this forum. Off the top of my head I have respect for MDogg and OG Classic Material and MOB but I honestly can't think of anyone else off the top of my head right now.
You all are full of shit trying to argue that Quik is better than Daz and make me sound like some fuckin wierdo for saying the mutherfucker who produced on the greatest rap albums of all time was better. Fuck y'all eat a dick!
Ok for entertainment's sake, let's break down everything you said. 1, Daz didn't do shit on The Chronic but program the drums on Rat tat tat which everything Dre added to it saved the songs because the pattern was pretty wack. Daz co-produced Serial Killaz on Doggystyle which was 1 of the wackest beats on there. Dogg Food for the most part is dope but the production itself was nothing mind-blowing, it was more of a team effort that made that album so great. Soopafly on the keys, the other great Deathrow session musicians at the time pitching in, & Dr Dre puttin a helluva mix on those above average tracks to make them sound sonically the best they can be. Murder was the Case Daz's production on there was pretty dope but not the best on the cd & again he had the benefit of Dre mixing his shit. But his beats were by far not the hottest on the soundtrack. All Eyez on Me, shit was alright but nothing Daz did on there would make it like he's 2nd best producer in all of hip hop. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Like hommie that posted above me said Ambitions was some simple ass shit that the engineers & mixing made it so hard (not to mention Pac rode the shit out the beat). I think you are more caught up with the hype that came with that album (Pac getting outta jail & getting with the Row) to where you think the beats were more than they were. & your point about Late Night & Hearts of Men, I don't know what's wrong with your ears but from a production standpoint those two shit on everything Daz did on there easily. Again, dude had the benefit of having a helluva mix put on his shit (this time by Quik himself). 2) I think you are also caught up in Suge Knight's tactics at the time to build Daz up as some super producer just to spite Dre at the time & help with the power struggle of the label during those times. Daz was just somebody lucky enough to soak up some game from Dre (or be in his way as his cousin Joe Cool said) and get taught how to work a drum machine by Dre & Warren G (who Dre also taught who also is a protégé of Dre's who shits on Daz). He just happened to be in the right place at the right time during those days. If it was the other way around & Daz went to Def Jam & Warren G stayed on Death Row & produced a whole album on Kurupt in his prime and mixed by Dr. Dre, you would be talking about Warren G being the 2nd greatest & Daz wouldn't have never had a career. 3) I think you are caught up in a Death Row era time warp & you got trapped in it & never got out (I can tell by your 'eat a dick' reference which was they slang at the time). But if you come on back to earth, Daz is not the 2nd best producer in hip hop, I can name far too many better than him on the west coast alone. In fact, dude wasn't even 2nd best on Death Row alone. Get out some more bruh, listen to some more hip hop that doesn't have a man in an electric chair logo on it & expand ya mind.
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I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof.
No disrespect or starting shit my dude, but 'Pac even says on Skandalouz "Daz stop fucking around on the piano and drop the beat". If that's not a co-sign, I don't know what is.
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I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof.
No disrespect or starting shit my dude, but 'Pac even says on Skandalouz "Daz stop fucking around on the piano and drop the beat". If that's not a co-sign, I don't know what is.
dr dre says the same thing at the beggining of boyz n the hood or one of thir classics do you think eazy could play keys? could it be possible in a 100 million dollar studio they just MIGHT have a piano in that bitch?
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I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof.
No disrespect or starting shit my dude, but 'Pac even says on Skandalouz "Daz stop fucking around on the piano and drop the beat". If that's not a co-sign, I don't know what is.
dr dre says the same thing at the beggining of boyz n the hood or one of thir classics do you think eazy could play keys? could it be possible in a 100 million dollar studio they just MIGHT have a piano in that bitch?
But if 'Pac hated Dr. Dre for claiming "Got My Mind Made Up" was his beat, why would he not say the same to Daz if he didn't produce "Skandalouz"? It is what it is, don't look for other things when it's right IN the song.
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Need proof? Listen to any Death Row album that came out while Daz was on the label. You don't even have to have the whole Death Row catalog, just listen to Disc 1 of All Eyez On Me and there is no denying Daz legendary status and greatness.
That's just it though. He hasn't released anything close to the level of stuff like Ambitionz since his time at DR, so it seems obvious that he was getting a lot of help from the right people. Has he put out a bunch of quality stuff since then? Absolutely, but he's far from the greatest.
Jesus man... how many years does he have to be dope for? A rapper/producers prime in the game is usually very short. So much of hiphop in the 90's was about strugglin, hustlin, tryin to come up and make itt in the game. So after an artist has made it in the game they usually fall off.
Daz had a solid 6 years of prime, superior production that very few have ever come close to. He started his prime early with his co-production on Chronic and Doggystyle and once the Dogg Pound got the spotlight with "What Would You Do" it was on and poppin. Then after Snoop fell off for a few years, and Dre also dissapointed with his first couple Aftermath projects, and Kurupt just got lazy and started rappin shit that didn't even make sense, Daz was still on top of the production game dropping heat with Revenge Retaliation Get Back.
Once Daz left Death Row and the pressures of a major label he started rushing out all types of projects and the quality really suffered. Still a lot of decent production, but no matter, I think his work at Death Row speaks for itself.
Daz didn't even have the best beats on his own album. The Soopafly produced on his own on there killed everything Daz did on there. I don't know if you praise Daz on here to clown or for attention, or if you really mean it but if you think Daz is the second best producer ever, you may need to get out more bruh.
I didn't realize praising Daz was a troll tactic. Who the fuck sits around and says, "hey.. you know what will really piece off mutheruckers on the internet... if I start acting like huge Daz fan!"
Nobody fucking does that. I don't see how it is such a stretch to say that the guy who produced on albums such as All Eyez on Me, Chronic, Doggystyle, Dogg Food, Murder Was the Case, etc., might just be one of the best producers out there!? How the fuck is it a stretch to say that?
You guys are all fucking out to prove how much you know about hiphop that you want to champion DJ Quik just so you sound like you know more than the average muthefucker. DJ Quik was a fucking bench player on Death Row and he's somewhat of novelty act so you think it makes you look like you know more than the average mutherfucker. I'm not saying you all are faking, I do believe you are sincere fans of quik because quik is dope. But DJ Quik also produced for 2pac, and he made joints like "Heartz of Men" and "Late Night". Sure those are dope joints but how the fuck you can think that the guy producin hearts of men is on the same level as the mutherfucking genius that produced "Ambitionz of a Ridah" is why I don't have respect for anyone at this forum. Off the top of my head I have respect for MDogg and OG Classic Material and MOB but I honestly can't think of anyone else off the top of my head right now.
You all are full of shit trying to argue that Quik is better than Daz and make me sound like some fuckin wierdo for saying the mutherfucker who produced on the greatest rap albums of all time was better. Fuck y'all eat a dick!
you need help
Lmao all that needs to be said. This was just before the meltdown post.
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people take opinions really seriously up in this bitch lol....at the end of the day, daz is incredibly underrated on dubcc. you can speculate on who did what all u want, but daz has enough classic beats under his belt to render him a west coast legend. at the very least, dont act like daz never had a signature sound or beats he did on his own that slapped, cuz thats far from the truth, fellas.
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at the end of the day, daz is incredibly underrated on dubcc. you can speculate on who did what all u want, but daz has enough classic beats under his belt to render him a west coast legend. at the very least, dont act like daz never had a signature sound or beats he did on his own that slapped, cuz thats far from the truth, fellas.
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Daz only gets clowned on here so much, coz they know he might reply and tell em to eat a dicc
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i'll say one word: "RAW!"
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Daz was only good when Dre was polishing his turds.
lol