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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: LooN3y on November 04, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
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dude is pretty petty and selfish I've read some exerts form it.
i loved the big fella when he was on the lakers, but homie is a child
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The guy has 0 credibility, makes TO look like the most loyal teammate ever. First says Kobe is the greatest, then calls him a bad teammate, then ends the feud and says they're good, then trashes him again. Says LeBron is the greatest, then trashes him. Talks about liking Boston, then talks shit about those guys. He even talked shit about guys like Alonzo Mourning. LOL, the guy a a complete joke.
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ive hated shaq's bitch tendencies for a very long time now, and it's been documented on this site....dude always makes himself look like a faggot, then kisses ass to make every1 forget. he even talks shit about kareem in this book smh. pathetic, yet not surprising.
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nobody wants to read a book by a superstar praising fellow superstars. you might as well bump the documentary by the game. a book by a charismatic insider trashing other superstars, now that's entertainment.. something that catches interest and generates money.
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nobody wants to read a book by a superstar praising fellow superstars. you might as well bump the documentary by the game. a book by a charismatic insider trashing other superstars, now that's entertainment.. something that catches interest and generates money.
I knew everybody on the forum couldn't be retarded. Thank you.
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nobody wants to read a book by a superstar praising fellow superstars. you might as well bump the documentary by the game. a book by a charismatic insider trashing other superstars, now that's entertainment.. something that catches interest and generates money.
I knew everybody on the forum couldn't be retarded. Thank you.
so lemme get this straight... trashin every1 uve ever encountered in your career for money and entertainment purposes validates this bitch-made behavior? good lord.......
by your logic, he might as well put on a dress and some make-up and prance down hollywood blvd promoting this book....i'm sure he'll get a lot of a attention like that. and faggots like cham will be accepting of it, cuz it's entertaining and generates money. smfh.
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nobody wants to read a book by a superstar praising fellow superstars. you might as well bump the documentary by the game. a book by a charismatic insider trashing other superstars, now that's entertainment.. something that catches interest and generates money.
I knew everybody on the forum couldn't be retarded. Thank you.
I'm not saying it wasn't smart from a business standpoint, it just makes the guy look like an ungrateful douche. I don't get how you can take yourself seriously when you're riding someone's dick one minute then dissing them in your book the next.
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Shaq's always been like this, it's not as if he loses any ground in the public eye because of this. It's what to expect from him. Anything else would have been just weird. Not even nice or good, just weird and fake.
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Shaq has been a clown his entire career. He was always himself. How is it bitch-made? Bitch-made is what you do & talk like this from behind your computer screen, NIK. Shaq ain't hard to find. Plus he's had the Hall of Fame career to back up whatever shit talking he wants. MJ talked shit during his HoF speech.
It makes money. Because telling me Shaq wakes up every morning, rides his bike with his family, lives in a big house & plays basketball all day & is a great human being is boring.
In the entertainment world, you have PR's who tell you what to say. Shaq could of gone to Cleveland & thought LeBron was a fucking bitch. But fact is he can't say it while he's playing with them. I respect Shaq because at the end of day he says what he wants to say about who he wants to talk about. He doesn't play that "good boy", media bitch who gives all the "right" answers.
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yea it makes money, but dude has no class, no professionalism, thats why he wasn't as great as he was supposed to be.
dude was too spoiled, he could of been no doubt and no one would argue the best center of all time if he worked on his game and stayed in shape and learned some more post moves, he prob would of still been playing and performing on a high level.
but with that said, i still take shaq in his prime over anyone, because i grew up watching him, and he was a beast. but theres always gonna be players like wilt, russell, hakeem, kareem, being better than him, and that was something he had control over of but he was just too lazy.
he doesn't have to be a media bitch, to have class, he can be real about it and be mature, but dude is a lil chump. its funny how he keeps telling that one story, that if he jumped in a car that his homie pulled in middle school that he;d be in jail.
but with that attitude and childish antics he'd be dead in jail acting like that.
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On a separate note, what happened to Hack Wilson? Lol, just noticed he hasn't been around since i've been back.
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On a separate note, what happened to Hack Wilson? Lol, just noticed he hasn't been around since i've been back.
on some real nigga shit
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On a separate note, what happened to Hack Wilson? Lol, just noticed he hasn't been around since i've been back.
pretty sure he's dead...dude was addicted to posting on this forum and he disappeared outa nowhere.
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Nigga use to try to hit me up on AIM everyday. Isn't even logged on anymore. Death is the most likely option.
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fucked up ish, RIP
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really?, someone should try to figure out,
mayb he just got busy, lol i mean we don't say this about all the other posters who stopped posting here.
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really?, someone should try to figure out,
mayb he just got busy, lol i mean we don't say this about all the other posters who stopped posting here.
or maybe he just posts on that other DBA board, cuz he kept gettin banned from here...i just checked his fantasy sports profile, and it shows that he has some football teams currently runnin. dont think he'd leave the internet due to bein busy lol.. dude used 2 be on aim 24/7 when i would go on back n the day.
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back on topic, when do you guys think shaqs number is gonna get retired on the lakers?
i mean i don't see any other team retiring his jersey, so it has to be the lakers it'll be a shame if nobody retires his number.
with that said, before or after kobe? and i wonder if they retire both 8 and 24
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back on topic, when do you guys think shaqs number is gonna get retired on the lakers?
i mean i don't see any other team retiring his jersey, so it has to be the lakers it'll be a shame if nobody retires his number.
with that said, before or after kobe? and i wonder if they retire both 8 and 24
u know the heat will retire his jersey...they retired jordan's jersey, and he aint never done shit for miami. theyre desperate for jerseys in the rafters. Lakers will probably retire Shaq's jersey in the next couple years. if he wasnt such a bitch, it'd probably be the first thing on the lakers' to-do-list, but considering no one likes him in LA, they might just take they time on it.
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back on topic, when do you guys think shaqs number is gonna get retired on the lakers?
i mean i don't see any other team retiring his jersey, so it has to be the lakers it'll be a shame if nobody retires his number.
with that said, before or after kobe? and i wonder if they retire both 8 and 24
u know the heat will retire his jersey...they retired jordan's jersey, and he aint never done shit for miami. theyre desperate for jerseys in the rafters. Lakers will probably retire Shaq's jersey in the next couple years. if he wasnt such a bitch, it'd probably be the first thing on the lakers' to-do-list, but considering no one likes him in LA, they might just take they time on it.
the fuck i never knew that, how da fuck are you gonna retire somebody's jersey if they never played for your team?
thats a joke, just like when lebronze wanted everyone to retire jordans jersey couple years back, trying to act humble n shit, when we all know what type of dude he is.
anyways man I'm glad I live in la and a fan of the lakers, cuz u know damn well, fisher, shaw, cooper, and scotts jerseys would of been retired if they did the same amount of contribution on another team.
lakers are elite. only the best gets put up in the rafters 8)
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Of course it's all about creating controversy and selling books but at least he could have made some sense here and there ... blamin Mitch for his departure from the Lakers is ridiculous , same thing for blaming Kareem not working with him ...
At the end he can repeat " I'm the businessman , everything I've done was calculated BS" , he's just mad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TRyS9RjDO4 :laugh:
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it still amazes me how shaq got 2 scoring titles in modern basketball, scoring more than guards, dude is no doubt one of the best centers to ever play, but the best i prob wouldn't have a strong argument against a fan that grew up watching kareem or hakeem.
wilt and russelll are great but da hell there waasnt any goaltending , 3 sec violation, etc etc.
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¨^^^^^ Shaq is ranking himself number 5 behind the 4 you cited on the all time centers list
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¨^^^^^ Shaq is ranking himself number 5 behind the 4 you cited on the all time centers list
dont u think thats reasonable?
i can't name a center that i believe is better than shaq, besides those 4 which i never even seen play cept for a couple throwback games they played.
i don't think zo, the admiral, or ducan (if u consider him a center instead of PF i consider him a PF) or yao
come close. and its no question
some magazines and articles rate shaq higher than kareem,, hakeem, russell, and wilt on an all time PLAYERS (not centers list)
which i don't disagree or agree cuz i don't judge players that i didn't see play. you can never truly know their worth if u never seen them play.
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I'm almost done with the book,
but either shaq is being real or he's just really persuasive, everything he's done thats being labeled "selfish, spoiled, or being a big headed ignorant superstar" has reason to it.
but there are some things that i think he's just too prideful of, but he's a human, and it really expresses that.
when i made this thread, i only read quotes and such, and he seemed unreasonable, but it was out of context. what he says isn't that bad considering the excuses he's giving.
but than again, the way he explains his relationship with d-wade was pretty contradictory considering he could of changed his attitude with kobe during the last season and treat kobe like he did with wade.
and it shows how much of a player kobe was, shaq never had to encourage kobe, but with d-wade he had the express that he needed to take over games and be dominant.
i just wish they worked things out, I'm positive they would of won 6-7 championships together in total with them acquiring another young talented big man down the road to develop (giving that he has the same mentality he did at the heat) but if he would of willing to let another young big man develop like he said he would d-wade develop , we would never know given that wade played out in the peremiter and he was still the main big man. (don't wanna bring it down to a single player or what not)
but a front court with shaq and bynum, i can't imagine how it would be.
but he was still petty more petty than he should of been.
what made me humble him was that the fact he wanted to be laker for life, but than he didn't want it enough to break his pride and talk to mitch or buss or at least have a true deep talk with kobe.
shaq will forever be my favorite nba center, was my favorite player back in the day, and imo the most dominant center ever esp to get average bout 30 points per game 2 time and taking the scoring title. i don't see any big man in the league today that can accomplish it. then or now because both eras had too many guards and forwards that can put numbers up on the board. dwight will never live up to shaqs legacy and it baffles me when people do compare the two.
the reason shaq isn't my fav player anymore is that kobe just mezmorises u, the shots he takes the emotion, the impossible shots, and the important clutch shots that he makes when it matters.
i don't see anyone else thats in the caliber of kobe or MJ, id say magic and bird too, but I've only seen their stats and throwback games, never live so i don't feel like i have the right to rank them. only the players I've seen.
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I'm almost done with the book,
but either shaq is being real or he's just really persuasive, everything he's done thats being labeled "selfish, spoiled, or being a big headed ignorant superstar" has reason to it.
but there are some things that i think he's just too prideful of, but he's a human, and it really expresses that.
when i made this thread, i only read quotes and such, and he seemed unreasonable, but it was out of context. what he says isn't that bad considering the excuses he's giving.
but than again, the way he explains his relationship with d-wade was pretty contradictory considering he could of changed his attitude with kobe during the last season and treat kobe like he did with wade.
and it shows how much of a player kobe was, shaq never had to encourage kobe, but with d-wade he had the express that he needed to take over games and be dominant.
i just wish they worked things out, I'm positive they would of won 6-7 championships together in total with them acquiring another young talented big man down the road to develop (giving that he has the same mentality he did at the heat) but if he would of willing to let another young big man develop like he said he would d-wade develop , we would never know given that wade played out in the peremiter and he was still the main big man. (don't wanna bring it down to a single player or what not)
but a front court with shaq and bynum, i can't imagine how it would be.
but he was still petty more petty than he should of been.
what made me humble him was that the fact he wanted to be laker for life, but than he didn't want it enough to break his pride and talk to mitch or buss or at least have a true deep talk with kobe.
shaq will forever be my favorite nba center, was my favorite player back in the day, and imo the most dominant center ever esp to get average bout 30 points per game 2 time and taking the scoring title. i don't see any big man in the league today that can accomplish it. then or now because both eras had too many guards and forwards that can put numbers up on the board. dwight will never live up to shaqs legacy and it baffles me when people do compare the two.
the reason shaq isn't my fav player anymore is that kobe just mezmorises u, the shots he takes the emotion, the impossible shots, and the important clutch shots that he makes when it matters.
i don't see anyone else thats in the caliber of kobe or MJ, id say magic and bird too, but I've only seen their stats and throwback games, never live so i don't feel like i have the right to rank them. only the players I've seen.
lol...dont be so gullible.
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^Don't be so biased.
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what are u talkin about?...if shaq is guna write a book, of course he's gunna tell his side of the story. if that can really persuade someone, then they haven't read the countless other books that detail different sides of shaq's bitchmade tendencies, which, knowing shaq's personality, he conveniently left out to make himself look great.
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what are u talkin about?...if shaq is guna write a book, of course he's gunna tell his side of the story. if that can really persuade someone, then they haven't read the countless other books that detail different sides of shaq's bitchmade tendencies, which, knowing shaq's personality, he conveniently left out to make himself look great.
Oh, word? You know Shaq? Dumbass. You only know Shaq through which the way he's presented to you through the media.
Now, if you're going to tell me you have a first hand experience & genuinely know Shaq's personality, then you can lay this biased bullshit your on, on me.
Until then, you're just as bitter at Shaq as you are at me & your opinion on him is purely irrelevant.
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lol, get off the nuts son, we tryna have a civil discussion here between adults..........i dont know shaq personally, but i do know of the countless stories players, managers, coaches, friends, etc. have told and have read books where shaq's bitchmade actions were detailed, so i definitely do know certain aspects of his personality, kiddo.
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lol, get off the nuts son, we tryna have a civil discussion here between adults..........i dont know shaq personally, but i do know of the countless stories players, managers, coaches, friends, etc. have told and have read books where shaq's bitchmade actions were detailed, so i definitely do know certain aspects of his personality, kiddo.
I'm explaining to you, like an adult, that you don't know shit about who the real Shaq is.
LOL @ "friends" though. Yeah, your boys kick it with Shaq. The shit you say sometimes, man.
& you just said "read books". Obviously just like you said Shaq's book is biased to make Shaq look good, those books (given the author's standpoint) are biased to make Shaq look bad. You discredited Looney's well written thought on Shaq's book with saying "Well Shaq is just fooling you, it's his book. Obviously his book will be biased towards him. Now, I read a book that said he's a terrible person". Like you don't hear yourself? What makes your book so much more credible? Face it. If Kobe left & Shaq stayed, Shaq would be the greatest human being on the planet. You're see through.
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lol, get off the nuts son, we tryna have a civil discussion here between adults..........i dont know shaq personally, but i do know of the countless stories players, managers, coaches, friends, etc. have told and have read books where shaq's bitchmade actions were detailed, so i definitely do know certain aspects of his personality, kiddo.
I'm explaining to you, like an adult, that you don't know shit about who the real Shaq is.
LOL @ "friends" though. Yeah, your boys kick it with Shaq. The shit you say sometimes, man.
& you just said "read books". Obviously just like you said Shaq's book is biased to make Shaq look good, those books (given the author's standpoint) are biased to make Shaq look bad. You discredited Looney's well written thought on Shaq's book with saying "Well Shaq is just fooling you, it's his book. Obviously his book will be biased towards him. Now, I read a book that said he's a terrible person". Like you don't hear yourself? What makes your book so much more credible? Face it. If Kobe left & Shaq stayed, Shaq would be the greatest human being on the planet. You're see through.
not my friends, idiot, friends of shaq who have spoke out about him.........
i'm pretty sure peeps like phil jackson, brian shaq, byron scott, kareem, etc. etc. dont hold any personal bias against shaq, but i could be mistaking. point is, of course shaq if guna try convincing people he's a good guy in his own book. thats why it's HIS book. nothing wrong with what i said, faggot. hop off.
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There would be nothing wrong with what you said if you didn't try to pass it off as fact that Shaq is a terrible person. If you stated it as your opinion...well then go ahead. But to act like you know shit, just give us a break, son lol.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
"Dwight Howard is overrated & Andew Bynum's potential alone is more valuable."
Guess who! :D
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
"Dwight Howard is overrated & Andew Bynum's potential alone is more valuable."
Guess who! :D
Someone who isn't 3 time defensive player of the year & 5 time all star at 25? and without a 22.9/14.1/2.4 stat line?
Or the youngest player ever to get 7000 Rebounds. or The Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in more than one season
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
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The way I see it Kobe was a bitch during that era as was Shaq. It seems like the only difference is that Kobe has actually tried to grow up and Shaq is just the same guy. I get that he's been consistent with this throughout his career, but consistently talking shit about such a large majority of the people you were involved with professionally doesn't exactly make you look good.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
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Shaq is known for not working hard in practice...he has said it himself. Uncoachable & being a pleasure to work with vs... a criticism shaq has embraced.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
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LOL, NIK. Phil said this year is was Kobe's fault they were losing because he was taking stupid ass shots. Guess Phil knows all. He also said Jordan is the greatest player. Guess Phil is the most reliable source to have.
& Ray, you seen what he did to you there? You wrote a nice little spiel on Dwight, then wrote about first hand teammate accounts about Shaq & the Lakers. Then he responds to you, saying "you're a moron", just ignoring everything. Following up by saying "your quote on Shaq was biased...well here's my equally biased quote against Shaq". The man is unreal.
All NIK did was prove Phil Jackson is a hypocrite & and a pretty unreliable source. If you don't think a 10 time champion who is known for taming the egos of guys like Jordan, Pippen, Kobe & Shaq, grew somewhat of an ego himself, you're mad.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
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Shaq is known for not working hard in practice...he has said it himself. Uncoachable & being a pleasure to work with vs... a criticism shaq has embraced.
see, Kobe was called "uncoachable" when he was young, due to him being hard-headed, but he's matured since then. phil jackson retracted that statement and even went on record to say that Kobe is the most talented player he's ever coached.......now, if shaq embraces having no work-ethic, it doesnt make it any better lol. bottom line, shaq's track record shows him making many bitchmade moves throughout his career, including classlessly dissing former teammates, coaches, etc. and there's nothing u can say about it to make him look better, because the truth is eternal.
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Of course Kobe wasn't perfect but I never heard from him : " I gor hurt on company so I'll rehab during company time" :-X ... you can debate for hours about whatever you want but the Lakers took the good decision ...
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Don't listen to this dumbass nigga, Ray. Dwight is pure greatness, Shaq was a good man & Phil Jackson knows nothing.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
so leading the league in FG % and 22.9 ppg = no offensive game?
http://www.youtube.com/v/T6EHymC25RM
CLUTCH!
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^yea, all off of spoon-fed dunks and putbacks.....this muthafucka is acting like it's some revolutionary theory that dwight has no offensive arsenal lmfao. do u even watch the sport, my dude? real spit, thats been the knock on dwight since day one.............every1 knows he has to develop some post moves, because the magic get exposed EVERY year for not having a true go-to guy. if u dont know this, go do some research n get back 2 me...PeACe
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
so leading the league in FG % and 22.9 ppg = no offensive game?
http://www.youtube.com/v/T6EHymC25RM
CLUTCH!
Obviously has no offensive game. Just leads all centers in scoring & FG% LMAO. NIK doesn't like to fight stats, they're too factual for him. He prefers opinionated based debates where he can say things like "He doesn't score like a big man should score, in my opinion" disregarding the fact he's as dominate in this age of pure athleticism & goes on to ring off names of big men who went up against guys 6'5'' lol. He also likes the opinion game because he can compare Dwight to those other greats that aren't in the league anymore so at the end of the day, he can argue with you until your keyboard needs repair & nobody will ever really be right. Because while you're debating facts, he's arguing footwork & posture, completely ignoring the old phrase, "It ain't pretty...but he gets it done".
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
so leading the league in FG % and 22.9 ppg = no offensive game?
http://www.youtube.com/v/T6EHymC25RM
CLUTCH!
Obviously has no offensive game. Just leads all centers in scoring & FG% LMAO. NIK doesn't like to fight stats, they're too factual for him. He prefers opinionated based debates where he can say things like "He doesn't score like a big man should score, in my opinion" disregarding the fact he's as dominate in this age of pure athleticism & goes on to ring off names of big men who went up against guys 6'5'' lol. He also likes the opinion game because he can compare Dwight to those other greats that aren't in the league anymore so at the end of the day, he can argue with you until your keyboard needs repair & nobody will ever really be right. Because while you're debating facts, he's arguing footwork & posture, completely ignoring the old phrase, "It ain't pretty...but he gets it done".
I think what he's saying is that Dwight hasn't been the go to guy for the Magic down the stretch like Shaq and other historically dominant big men have been able to do. Whether or not its his fault is debatable, but from what I've seen so far he needs to be a lot more assertive and demand the ball in the paint. Does he rack up points? Hell yeah, but to me he's gonna have to develop a better low post arsenal and start becoming more of a go to guy rather than racking up offensive rebounds and dunking from point blank for the majority of his points before I consider him an all time great.
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^I mean, he simply hasn't done enough to be considered an all-time great. So far, he's setting records & if he keeps this pace, by default he will be.
As for Shaq, when he got double teamed in the post, late in the game, he kicked it out to Kobe, aka "better than MJ" (NIK) lol. Dwight has Jason Richardson.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
so leading the league in FG % and 22.9 ppg = no offensive game?
http://www.youtube.com/v/T6EHymC25RM
CLUTCH!
Obviously has no offensive game. Just leads all centers in scoring & FG% LMAO. NIK doesn't like to fight stats, they're too factual for him. He prefers opinionated based debates where he can say things like "He doesn't score like a big man should score, in my opinion" disregarding the fact he's as dominate in this age of pure athleticism & goes on to ring off names of big men who went up against guys 6'5'' lol. He also likes the opinion game because he can compare Dwight to those other greats that aren't in the league anymore so at the end of the day, he can argue with you until your keyboard needs repair & nobody will ever really be right. Because while you're debating facts, he's arguing footwork & posture, completely ignoring the old phrase, "It ain't pretty...but he gets it done".
I think what he's saying is that Dwight hasn't been the go to guy for the Magic down the stretch like Shaq and other historically dominant big men have been able to do. Whether or not its his fault is debatable, but from what I've seen so far he needs to be a lot more assertive and demand the ball in the paint. Does he rack up points? Hell yeah, but to me he's gonna have to develop a better low post arsenal and start becoming more of a go to guy rather than racking up offensive rebounds and dunking from point blank for the majority of his points before I consider him an all time great.
i've figured it out...that boy just aint worth debatin with. he says things to come out on top, not because he really believes it. waste of forum space.
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Don't worry Howard will be better when its all done 8)
i duno whats funnier, u makin such a dumb claim or biebs lookin real hard for somethin 2 lick nuts over.
I don't know whats's funnier. You licking the entire Lakers nuts and not seeing that no center in the history of the NBA has done as much as Howard stat wise at 25. Or the fact you thought a fragile flower like Bynum would be better. Shaq was 28 when he won his first ring. Wilt & Hakeem were 31. SO if you were gonna use that retarded argument bye bye. Look what Rashard & terkofluke did once they left the magic.
First player to record three 20-point, 20-rebound games in a playoff series since Wilt Chamberlain in 1972 NBA Finals. Has the most blocked shots of anybody in 5 games in the finals against the Lakers he had 20 and 9 in one. First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. Only player in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in the same season and the most consecutive seasons leading the league in total rebound.
Youngest player to average a double double, lead the league in rebounds, get to 7000 career rebounds, lead the league in blocks & win defensive player of the year.
Go back to thinking Bynums fragile body will do shit. Oden has potential skill to. Not gonna mention him as a top center lmfao.
and for the record cham is owning you in here. I dont like cham and think he can be annoying but atleast he presents his argument in a intelligent manner. You give it as, "shaq is a bitch, kobe is the greatest, if u side with shaq fuck u fag." and contradictions about how his personal account isnt trustworthy but others are.
Phil Jackson who you list as one of your sources in his book called him "uncoachable" and blamed him for the break up.
About shaq he said "an experience I will cherish forever,"
According to Jackson, in Bryant's exit interview with him he stated that O'Neal's fate with the Lakers would affect his decision to return, saying "I'm tired of being a sidekick." Later in a phone call with Lakers owner Jerry Buss, Jackson recounts Buss's explanation of the team's preference for Bryant rather than O'Neal, of which Jackson disapproved: "It's not that I'm enamored with Kobe's character. But he is twenty-six in August. The seven years ahead are the prime years of his career....I have to serve the people who are loyal to me. My mail runs about 5-1 on Kobe to Shaq."
Is Jackson unreliable now?
the only person i've really heard say shit was Tex Winter who was in love with Kobe. And Kurt Rambis. rest were little comments about both players being babys not just shaq.
Fisher refuted reporters claims that Shaq was jealous and said he just wanted to win.
Magic said Shaq matured and blamed himself.
and most importantly snoop dogg has his back "Shaq has all access and the right to do and say what he wants to say in fun, in the spirit of rap."
first of all, ur a complete moron if ur really gunna sit here and compare dwight howard to the greatest centers of all time....second of all, shaq is a bitch, son. phil jackson had a lot more to say about shaq than the excerpts u hand-picked to make your argument stronger...
http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2006/12/phil-jackson-shaq-lazy-wade-cheats/
Phil Jackson reignited the Lakers-Heat feud by calling Shaquille O’Neal lazy
Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O’Neal, saying he was “the only person I’ve ever had that hasn’t been a worker.”
Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson’s comments on Monday following Miami’s 101-85 win over O’Neal’s former team. “How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?” the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday’s edition of The Los Angeles Times. O’Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.
Jackson’s comments on Sunday.
“He’s the one guy that didn’t really like to work,” said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. “I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players — Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they’re all hard-working practice and personal work players.”
now shut the fuck up and don't respond, unless what u say is gunna be reliable.
not to fucking mention why wouldn't i compare em. He has broke Shaq & Wilts Rebound records.
he is 1 of only 5 players to lead the league in blocks and rebounding in the same season. that would be 4 hall of famers. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ben Wallace
First player in 41 years to record at least 30 points and 15 rebounds while shooting perfectly from the field in a game. the last was Wilt.
One of two players in NBA history to lead the league in blocks, rebounding and field goal percentage in his career the other was Kareem.
I'm sorry plz explain that even though the record books have his name right next to wilt, shaq & kareems or even removing their names from it, shouldn't be near them. Why? because he is to young? because he didn't win a championship 6 years before Wilt ever did? His Free Throw %? oh wait Wilt & Shaq have shit there also. Or is his main fault that his name isn't Kobe and he isn't a Laker?
If you wanna agree to disagree I'm fine with that. I just don't find myself to be a moron for saying Howard could become one of the greats.
hmmmm....perhaps because he has no offensive arsenal whatsoever? could be that! he can be a defensive great, i'll give u that...but never an overall GOAT, with the likes of wilt, shaq, hakeem, etc., UNTIL he drastically improves his offensive game in the post.
so leading the league in FG % and 22.9 ppg = no offensive game?
http://www.youtube.com/v/T6EHymC25RM
CLUTCH!
Obviously has no offensive game. Just leads all centers in scoring & FG% LMAO. NIK doesn't like to fight stats, they're too factual for him. He prefers opinionated based debates where he can say things like "He doesn't score like a big man should score, in my opinion" disregarding the fact he's as dominate in this age of pure athleticism & goes on to ring off names of big men who went up against guys 6'5'' lol. He also likes the opinion game because he can compare Dwight to those other greats that aren't in the league anymore so at the end of the day, he can argue with you until your keyboard needs repair & nobody will ever really be right. Because while you're debating facts, he's arguing footwork & posture, completely ignoring the old phrase, "It ain't pretty...but he gets it done".
I think what he's saying is that Dwight hasn't been the go to guy for the Magic down the stretch like Shaq and other historically dominant big men have been able to do. Whether or not its his fault is debatable, but from what I've seen so far he needs to be a lot more assertive and demand the ball in the paint. Does he rack up points? Hell yeah, but to me he's gonna have to develop a better low post arsenal and start becoming more of a go to guy rather than racking up offensive rebounds and dunking from point blank for the majority of his points before I consider him an all time great.
i've figured it out...that boy just aint worth debatin with. he says things to come out on top, not because he really believes it. waste of forum space.
...Usually in a debate people try to come out on top. Good point!
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i don't put howard in high regards, simply put, he should be dominating, there isn't anyone in the paint anymore.
the center position is barren, there isn't no superstars like back in the day, no timmy (prime), no alonzo mourning, no david robinson. no ewing, no mutombo.
dude should be putting up ridiculous numbers especially with the lack of talent in the C position. dude should be bumping n grinding
but he isn't. id not understand why even if he does have basically no offense theres no one that can guard him or bang him up int he league.
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lol @ NIK COMPLETELY dodging me. :laugh:
Champion status. 8)
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lol @ NIK COMPLETELY dodging me. :laugh:
Champion status. 8)
already said what i have to say...not my fault if u got too much jizz in ur eyes to see what i'm sayin.
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i don't put howard in high regards, simply put, he should be dominating, there isn't anyone in the paint anymore.
the center position is barren, there isn't no superstars like back in the day, no timmy (prime), no alonzo mourning, no david robinson. no ewing, no mutombo.
dude should be putting up ridiculous numbers especially with the lack of talent in the C position. dude should be bumping n grinding
but he isn't. id not understand why even if he does have basically no offense theres no one that can guard him or bang him up int he league.
real spit. just imagine Bynum on a team like Orlando, in an offense that ran through him. i'd be surprised if he DIDN'T put up those kinda numbers. still lmfao@Dwight being up there with the all-time GOATs smfh.
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what a good defense. Howard is to much better than every other center. Totally unlike Wilt & Shaq. Oh wait.
"Shaq. C’mon now, Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming" - Kobe Bryant.
Who was Shaqs biggest competition at Center? Tim Duncan? who is originally a Power Forward. GTFO with your double standards.
Howard is an all around player who can be the greatest defensive player in the League and put up 20 points a game and lead the league in FG%.
I didn't see Kareem or Russell or other play so I'm not gonna speak on them. I also didn't really get heavy into basketball tell the 04-05 season before i watched a few games here & there with my dad but was usually the Sonics so i didn't really see Shaq in his prime. I have watched Howard and seen the dude dominate.
I swear you guys only care about scoring. No he isn't scoring 30 ppg. he is scoring 23 and shutting down every other player and gets more 2nd chance rebounds for his team than any other player. There is more to this game than scoring.
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what a good defense. Howard is to much better than every other center. Totally unlike Wilt & Shaq. Oh wait.
"Shaq. C’mon now, Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming" - Kobe Bryant.
Who was Shaqs biggest competition at Center? Tim Duncan? who is originally a Power Forward. GTFO with your double standards.
Howard is an all around player who can be the greatest defensive player in the League and put up 20 points a game and lead the league in FG%.
I didn't see Kareem or Russell or other play so I'm not gonna speak on them. I also didn't really get heavy into basketball tell the 04-05 season before i watched a few games here & there with my dad but was usually the Sonics so i didn't really see Shaq in his prime. I have watched Howard and seen the dude dominate.
I swear you guys only care about scoring. No he isn't scoring 30 ppg. he is scoring 23 and shutting down every other player and gets more 2nd chance rebounds for his team than any other player. There is more to this game than scoring.
well, there lies the problem...if u never seen shaq in his prime, then u wont understand why dwight isn't even close. but trust me when i tell u this, HE IS NOT. pretty much anyone in the basketball world will tell u the same (besides faggot ass cham, who is in here for no other reason but 2 lick nuts). now, i'm not writing dwight off completely, cuz he can still improve...but as of right now, he's simply nowhere near the level of those mentioned greats when they were in their prime.
also, u pretty much explained why he's considered "sooo good" nowadays...there are no more true centers in the league! he's playing in an era where the 2nd best center in the league behind him IS andrew bynum....so yea, of course he's gunna gobble up those rebounds when there is not much competition at the center spot. he is not playing against hakeem, ewing, mourning, etc...he is pretty much the only elite center in the league right now. even blake griffin and kevin love are gobbling up rebounds at the same rate as him, and better...doesnt make them rank amongst the great, it just means that competition amongst big men has diminished drastically.
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I always said, if you're in the discussion with greatness, you're probably great.
Look how hard you're trying to deny him in Shaq in his prime, which is truly the GOAT of the position. It's a joke when you think about the situation. "Yeah, he's good, but he's not Shaq in his prime". Basically the equivalent of me saying "Yeah, Magic was great, but he wasn't MJ in his prime". I realize rings are the only knocks niggas have anymore.
LAUGHMYFUCKINGASSOFF @ Bynum in Orlando. If he was even healthy enough to play with all those touches & contact, no way could be do Dwight numbers.
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I always said, if you're in the discussion with greatness, you're probably great.
Look how hard you're trying to deny him in Shaq in his prime, which is truly the GOAT of the position. It's a joke when you think about the situation. "Yeah, he's good, but he's not Shaq in his prime". Basically the equivalent of me saying "Yeah, Magic was great, but he wasn't MJ in his prime". I realize rings are the only knocks niggas have anymore.
LAUGHMYFUCKINGASSOFF @ Bynum in Orlando. If he was even healthy enough to play with all those touches & contact, no way could be do Dwight numbers.
what are u talking about...magic and mj are in the same class. dwight and shaq ARE NOT. what dont u get about this, nutlicker?
bynum plays alongside pau gasol, which means he gets way less minutes, and barely any touches......he would average at least 20-10 on a team like the magic, with a more dependable post game. not really a stretch, considering he averaged 13.1-10.2-2.1 on 63.6% (better percentage than dwight ever had) on 8 shot attempts in 28 minutes before pau came along. dwight currently averages 13.4 attempts.....do the math and see if i'm off.
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what a good defense. Howard is to much better than every other center. Totally unlike Wilt & Shaq. Oh wait.
"Shaq. C’mon now, Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming" - Kobe Bryant.
Who was Shaqs biggest competition at Center? Tim Duncan? who is originally a Power Forward. GTFO with your double standards.
Howard is an all around player who can be the greatest defensive player in the League and put up 20 points a game and lead the league in FG%.
I didn't see Kareem or Russell or other play so I'm not gonna speak on them. I also didn't really get heavy into basketball tell the 04-05 season before i watched a few games here & there with my dad but was usually the Sonics so i didn't really see Shaq in his prime. I have watched Howard and seen the dude dominate.
I swear you guys only care about scoring. No he isn't scoring 30 ppg. he is scoring 23 and shutting down every other player and gets more 2nd chance rebounds for his team than any other player. There is more to this game than scoring.
well, there lies the problem...if u never seen shaq in his prime, then u wont understand why dwight isn't even close. but trust me when i tell u this, HE IS NOT. pretty much anyone in the basketball world will tell u the same (besides faggot ass cham, who is in here for no other reason but 2 lick nuts). now, i'm not writing dwight off completely, cuz he can still improve...but as of right now, he's simply nowhere near the level of those mentioned greats when they were in their prime.
also, u pretty much explained why he's considered "sooo good" nowadays...there are no more true centers in the league! he's playing in an era where the 2nd best center in the league behind him IS andrew bynum....so yea, of course he's gunna gobble up those rebounds when there is not much competition at the center spot. he is not playing against hakeem, ewing, mourning, etc...he is pretty much the only elite center in the league right now. even blake griffin and kevin love are gobbling up rebounds at the same rate as him, and better...doesnt make them rank amongst the great, it just means that competition amongst big men has diminished drastically.
OK then you can't say Kobe is the greatest. You didn't see Magic or Wilt in his prime. You can't use that argument unless you have been watching since the start of the NBA.
Al Horford, Joakim Noah & Marc Gasol are better than Bynum for the record also.
The most dominant center of his generation like Shaq and broke Shaqs records yet doesnt belong in the same class? at 25 Howards #'s > Shaqs.
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^LOL. *waits for NIK to say, "I've seen enough footage"*
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what a good defense. Howard is to much better than every other center. Totally unlike Wilt & Shaq. Oh wait.
"Shaq. C’mon now, Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming" - Kobe Bryant.
Who was Shaqs biggest competition at Center? Tim Duncan? who is originally a Power Forward. GTFO with your double standards.
Howard is an all around player who can be the greatest defensive player in the League and put up 20 points a game and lead the league in FG%.
I didn't see Kareem or Russell or other play so I'm not gonna speak on them. I also didn't really get heavy into basketball tell the 04-05 season before i watched a few games here & there with my dad but was usually the Sonics so i didn't really see Shaq in his prime. I have watched Howard and seen the dude dominate.
I swear you guys only care about scoring. No he isn't scoring 30 ppg. he is scoring 23 and shutting down every other player and gets more 2nd chance rebounds for his team than any other player. There is more to this game than scoring.
well, there lies the problem...if u never seen shaq in his prime, then u wont understand why dwight isn't even close. but trust me when i tell u this, HE IS NOT. pretty much anyone in the basketball world will tell u the same (besides faggot ass cham, who is in here for no other reason but 2 lick nuts). now, i'm not writing dwight off completely, cuz he can still improve...but as of right now, he's simply nowhere near the level of those mentioned greats when they were in their prime.
also, u pretty much explained why he's considered "sooo good" nowadays...there are no more true centers in the league! he's playing in an era where the 2nd best center in the league behind him IS andrew bynum....so yea, of course he's gunna gobble up those rebounds when there is not much competition at the center spot. he is not playing against hakeem, ewing, mourning, etc...he is pretty much the only elite center in the league right now. even blake griffin and kevin love are gobbling up rebounds at the same rate as him, and better...doesnt make them rank amongst the great, it just means that competition amongst big men has diminished drastically.
OK then you can't say Kobe is the greatest. You didn't see Magic or Wilt in his prime. You can't use that argument unless you have been watching since the start of the NBA.
Al Horford, Joakim Noah & Marc Gasol are better than Bynum for the record also.
The most dominant center of his generation like Shaq and broke Shaqs records yet doesnt belong in the same class? at 25 Howards #'s > Shaqs.
LOL...i know more about Magic and his game than muthafuckaz who were watchin basketball in the 80s. trust me, bro, i have countless taped games of the showtime Lakers, as well as videos specifically about Magic and the Lakers in the 80s....LOTS of 'em. so yea, i know a whole lot about the nba in the 80s and the Lakers' competition, from sleepy floyd, to mark aguirre, to larry bird, to zeke, to whatever......studied it, homie. and Howard's numbers RIGHT NOW aint even as good as Shaq's when he was a rookie, so please stop with that nonsense.
Also....... Al Horford is a power forward, Joakim Noah is a defensive specialist, and Marc Gasol is not better than Bynum LOL.
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I always said, if you're in the discussion with greatness, you're probably great.
Look how hard you're trying to deny him in Shaq in his prime, which is truly the GOAT of the position. It's a joke when you think about the situation. "Yeah, he's good, but he's not Shaq in his prime". Basically the equivalent of me saying "Yeah, Magic was great, but he wasn't MJ in his prime". I realize rings are the only knocks niggas have anymore.
LAUGHMYFUCKINGASSOFF @ Bynum in Orlando. If he was even healthy enough to play with all those touches & contact, no way could be do Dwight numbers.
what are u talking about...magic and mj are in the same class. dwight and shaq ARE NOT. what dont u get about this, nutlicker?
bynum plays alongside pau gasol, which means he gets way less minutes, and barely any touches......he would average at least 20-10 on a team like the magic, with a more dependable post game. not really a stretch, considering he averaged 13.1-10.2-2.1 on 63.6% (better percentage than dwight ever had) on 8 shot attempts in 28 minutes before pau came along. dwight currently averages 13.4 attempts.....do the math and see if i'm off.
LOL, you want me to do the imaginary math & assume what he would average? Sounds like a pretty stupid way to declare which player is better. Although it was pretty stupid of you to say Bynum's potential is better than Dwight, so this is common with you.
Also, pretty simple why Bynum averages those numbers, he's got somebody "better than MJ", one of the top big men in the league behind him & hands down the best sixth man, who would start for another other team in basketball playing with him. When so much attention is on three other people, I think he should be putting up pretty good numbers in limited time.
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LOL...i know more about Magic and his game than muthafuckaz who were watchin basketball in the 80s. trust me, bro, i have countless taped games of the showtime Lakers, as well as videos specifically about Magic and the Lakers in the 80s....LOTS of 'em. so yea, i know a whole lot about the nba in the 80s
LMFAO, that's my boy. Never letting me down.
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I always said, if you're in the discussion with greatness, you're probably great.
Look how hard you're trying to deny him in Shaq in his prime, which is truly the GOAT of the position. It's a joke when you think about the situation. "Yeah, he's good, but he's not Shaq in his prime". Basically the equivalent of me saying "Yeah, Magic was great, but he wasn't MJ in his prime". I realize rings are the only knocks niggas have anymore.
LAUGHMYFUCKINGASSOFF @ Bynum in Orlando. If he was even healthy enough to play with all those touches & contact, no way could be do Dwight numbers.
what are u talking about...magic and mj are in the same class. dwight and shaq ARE NOT. what dont u get about this, nutlicker?
bynum plays alongside pau gasol, which means he gets way less minutes, and barely any touches......he would average at least 20-10 on a team like the magic, with a more dependable post game. not really a stretch, considering he averaged 13.1-10.2-2.1 on 63.6% (better percentage than dwight ever had) on 8 shot attempts in 28 minutes before pau came along. dwight currently averages 13.4 attempts.....do the math and see if i'm off.
LOL, you want me to do the imaginary math & assume what he would average? Sounds like a pretty stupid way to declare which player is better. Although it was pretty stupid of you to say Bynum's potential is better than Dwight, so this is common with you.
Also, pretty simple why Bynum averages those numbers, he's got somebody "better than MJ", one of the top big men in the league behind him & hands down the best sixth man, who would start for another other team in basketball playing with him. When so much attention is on three other people, I think he should be putting up pretty good numbers in limited time.
bynum playing alongside gasol HINDERS his numbers, it doesnt improve them....smfh. some of the things u say are just beyond nutlickin retardation.
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LOL...i know more about Magic and his game than muthafuckaz who were watchin basketball in the 80s. trust me, bro, i have countless taped games of the showtime Lakers, as well as videos specifically about Magic and the Lakers in the 80s....LOTS of 'em. so yea, i know a whole lot about the nba in the 80s
LMFAO, that's my boy. Never letting me down.
if u want me 2, i can say i've never watched magic in his prime....but then i'd be a dirty faggot ass liar, such as urself.
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LOL...i know more about Magic and his game than muthafuckaz who were watchin basketball in the 80s. trust me, bro, i have countless taped games of the showtime Lakers, as well as videos specifically about Magic and the Lakers in the 80s....LOTS of 'em. so yea, i know a whole lot about the nba in the 80s
LMFAO, that's my boy. Never letting me down.
if u want me 2, i can say i've never watched magic in his prime....but then i'd be a dirty faggot ass liar, such as urself.
Nigga, I know you don't sit home & watch tape of old NBA players, give us a break.
& that's a bold claim when he doesn't play without them. Nigga you said he would flourish on the Magic. Kobe ain't there to take all the attention away, Dwight is the center of the attention.
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LOL...i know more about Magic and his game than muthafuckaz who were watchin basketball in the 80s. trust me, bro, i have countless taped games of the showtime Lakers, as well as videos specifically about Magic and the Lakers in the 80s....LOTS of 'em. so yea, i know a whole lot about the nba in the 80s
LMFAO, that's my boy. Never letting me down.
if u want me 2, i can say i've never watched magic in his prime....but then i'd be a dirty faggot ass liar, such as urself.
Nigga, I know you don't sit home & watch tape of old NBA players, give us a break.
& that's a bold claim when he doesn't play without them. Nigga you said he would flourish on the Magic. Kobe ain't there to take all the attention away, Dwight is the center of the attention.
are u sure about that, bitchboy?
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Considering you have ten times more Kobe stuff, that's borderline upsetting.
However, I see one book & one video that are about Magic Johnson. What is it two hours of his greatest plays? Nigga, I can go on Youtube and see that. Doesn't mean I watched him play game in & game out. That's not enough to have seen him play like somebody alive & into it at the time. Therefore you can't say Kobe was better than Magic, sorry.
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Considering you have ten times more Kobe stuff, that's borderline upsetting.
However, I see one book & one video that are about Magic Johnson. What is it two hours of his greatest plays? Nigga, I can go on Youtube and see that. Doesn't mean I watched him play game in & game out. That's not enough to have seen him play like somebody alive & into it at the time. Therefore you can't say Kobe was better than Magic, sorry.
those other movies are of the lakers title runs in the 80s, they're more than enough to see what magic and the lakers were about in the showtime era....and like i said, i watched tons of taped laker games from the 80s. i know more about magic and the lakers than most basketball fans who were watchin in the 80s. suckitbitch.
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You're such a cool guy.
Anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, you can't say Kobe is better than Larry Bird. Didn't see him play. ;D
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what a good defense. Howard is to much better than every other center. Totally unlike Wilt & Shaq. Oh wait.
"Shaq. C’mon now, Dwight will get there, but he doesn’t have Shaq’s history. Dwight’s coming. Dwight’s time is coming" - Kobe Bryant.
Who was Shaqs biggest competition at Center? Tim Duncan? who is originally a Power Forward. GTFO with your double standards.
Howard is an all around player who can be the greatest defensive player in the League and put up 20 points a game and lead the league in FG%.
I didn't see Kareem or Russell or other play so I'm not gonna speak on them. I also didn't really get heavy into basketball tell the 04-05 season before i watched a few games here & there with my dad but was usually the Sonics so i didn't really see Shaq in his prime. I have watched Howard and seen the dude dominate.
I swear you guys only care about scoring. No he isn't scoring 30 ppg. he is scoring 23 and shutting down every other player and gets more 2nd chance rebounds for his team than any other player. There is more to this game than scoring.
like i said theres hardly any talent in the center position tehese days, of course he's gonna get those numbers, but with that said he should be scoring at ease. but he can't, he can run the offense purely through him.
lol scoring? double standard? duncans been playing the 5 position for a min, the only reason he's even labeled a PF is because he can handle the ball and shoot outside shots.
shaq was an absolute beast, dude if u havnt seen shaq in his prime, than how can you even pass judgement? even his triple double numbers were ridiculous with the amount of blocks, and rebounds.
i don't know what your talking about shaq was a defensive presence , if your going into the paint and the big fellas there your gonna get hit, you gonna get thrown down. dwight might have better numbers but again, there isn't really any good centers out there. its easier for him.
i don know why your getting so defensive, i don't only care about scoring, but i point that out of dwight howard because thats his weakness, shaq only had a couple of post moves but thats all he needed, the ran the offense and did it well.
dwight only has one post move that I've seen him use regularly (i forget its that one up and under or spin bull shit ), i think i saw maybe one or 2 more this past season. but being the athletic beast he is, he still can't get it done. and if he learns some more post moves and being athletic as he is he has the "ABILITY" because of his body to be a hakeem, but he wil never because he just doesn't have that offensive mindset or talent.
and yes defense is great, but id take great offense over great defense any day. and its proven when stars like kobe, MJ, wade that can score even if their being defended perfectly. why? because scoring initially (wins games) defense does too but u need to be able to put the ball in the basket to score. some thing dwight cannot do consecutively 4 times in a row, to win a game or get a the teams tempo going.
dwight needs a complete sidekick, like cp3, or any other permitter player
astounds me how you said u never saw shaq in his prime and pass judgement on him. i don't judge any of the past players that I've never seen live.
he gets good numbers but theres a bunch of guys that do that, but i have yet to see improvement, whats he going to do when he loses his athleticism, he'll be like an old shaq even worse if he doesn't learn any post moves.
hakeem was just incredible, dude was a guard in a centers body.