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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on July 05, 2013, 04:37:08 PM
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i think Kobe would be a great fit in Chicago
and with the quality of teams like the Thunder, Clippers, Warriors, Rockets etc. in the west there is no chance the Lakers are a playoff threat. a 1st round exit at best. What's to say that will change next off season? Lebron's not going there to play in Kobe's shadow and Carmelo isn't going to win anything by going to the Lakers to play with an old Kobe so basically the Lakers are shit outta luck for a few years. Why not trade Kobe? Remember, Joe Montana finished his career as a Kansas City Chief, not a 49er. Yogi Berra won 10 rings with the Yankees and finished his career with the Mets. Wayne Gretzky played for several teams and he's the undisputed best player in his sports long history so it's not crazy to discuss trading kobe at this point of his career.
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kobe should stay wit the lakers.
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with Kobe's work ethic he realistically has 3-4 more years in the tank at a high-sub high level (which is enough to lead a team in todays NBA) so as long as LAL stay active this offseason and get him some help with Howard gone, they'll be okay. Trading Kobe would do more harm than good for LAL, fanbase wouldnt have it.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
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I think the Thunder will move back to Seattle before the Lakers deal Kobe.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
serious?
hes a legend, HOFer, clutch, good, great, all that. But still the best today? Really?
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
serious?
hes a legend, HOFer, clutch, good, great, all that. But still the best today? Really?
WHAT, IS IT REALLY MIND-BOGGLING? LOOK AT THE NUMBERS...MUFUCKAZ ACTING LIKE HE FELL OFF DRASTICALLY, BUT HE WAS PLAYIN AS GOOD AS ANYONE AND THEN SOME BEFORE HE WENT DOWN.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
serious?
hes a legend, HOFer, clutch, good, great, all that. But still the best today? Really?
WHAT, IS IT REALLY MIND-BOGGLING? LOOK AT THE NUMBERS...MUFUCKAZ ACTING LIKE HE FELL OFF DRASTICALLY, BUT HE WAS PLAYIN AS GOOD AS ANYONE AND THEN SOME BEFORE HE WENT DOWN.
i believe youre overrating him, yes. i dont think hes THE BEST player today. injury prone-ness factors into that, too.
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
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LOLOLOLOL. Why do you guys even give him attention?
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
LeBron James is the best player in the NBA right now - Kobe's still one of the best tho.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
LeBron James is the best player in the NBA right now
the finals proved otherwise....kobe on that heat team sweeps the spurs.
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kobe should retire its gonna be a few years before the lakers are in the contention again i dont wanna see him turn into a shell of himself.
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
wait wait wait. choke? how many triple doubles did the guy have in the finals?
kobe aint on top right now man, thats all im sayin. you cant really argue that.
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
wait wait wait. choke? how many triple doubles did the guy have in the finals?
kobe aint on top right now man, thats all im sayin. you cant really argue that.
NIK conveniently forgets that Kobe would only have 4 rings if it weren't for Ron Artest hitting a clutch shot in game 7. and he'd have even less if it weren't for Robert Horry and the NBA refs helping the Lakers in the early 2000's :D
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
wait wait wait. choke? how many triple doubles did the guy have in the finals?
kobe aint on top right now man, thats all im sayin. you cant really argue that.
LOL, SORRY, BUT HE HAD MORE SHITTY GAMES THAN GOOD ONES, AND DIDNT EVEN REACH 20 POINTS IN THE FIRST THREE GAMES! HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION!! LOL...U THINK KOBE HAS EVER BEEN GUARDED LIKE THAT? THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE DOESNT GET DARED TO TAKE A JUMPSHOT...HE'S THE MOST GLORIFIED STAT-PADDER IN THE LEAGUE WITH THE MOST HELP ON HIS TEAM. THAT IS ALL. IS HE A BEAST? YES. IS HE AS GOOD AS BILLED? NO WAY.
DIDNT I POST UP A THREAD WHERE A BUNCHA HEAT FANS WER DENOUNCING HIM AS THE BIGGEST CHOKE EVER 5 GAMES IN? DID A RAY ALLEN THREE REALLY ERASE ALL OF THAT?? THERE AINT NO THIN LINE BETWEEN CHOKE-ARTIST AND GREATEST PLAYER. IF U WATCHED THE GAMES, U SAW HIM GETTIN SAVED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. HE WAS SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM LIKE RONNIE BREWER....COME ON, NOW.
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kobe should retire its gonna be a few years before the lakers are in the contention again i dont wanna see him turn into a shell of himself.
U MUST NOT KNOW OUR TRACK RECORD
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
wait wait wait. choke? how many triple doubles did the guy have in the finals?
kobe aint on top right now man, thats all im sayin. you cant really argue that.
LOL, SORRY, BUT HE HAD MORE SHITTY GAMES THAN GOOD ONES, AND DIDNT EVEN REACH 20 POINTS IN THE FIRST THREE GAMES! HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION!! LOL...U THINK KOBE HAS EVER BEEN GUARDED LIKE THAT? THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE DOESNT GET DARED TO TAKE A JUMPSHOT...HE'S THE MOST GLORIFIED STAT-PADDER IN THE LEAGUE WITH THE MOST HELP ON HIS TEAM. THAT IS ALL. IS HE A BEAST? YES. IS HE AS GOOD AS BILLED? NO WAY.
DIDNT I POST UP A THREAD WHERE A BUNCHA HEAT FANS WER DENOUNCING HIM AS THE BIGGEST CHOKE EVER 5 GAMES IN? DID A RAY ALLEN THREE REALLY ERASE ALL OF THAT?? THERE AINT NO THIN LINE BETWEEN CHOKE-ARTIST AND GREATEST PLAYER. IF U WATCHED THE GAMES, U SAW HIM GETTIN SAVED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. HE WAS SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM LIKE RONNIE BREWER....COME ON, NOW.
that was the spurs strategy against the guy, hes not ray allen or steph curry from the field, feel me? and i do believe that their strategy backfired. they'd rather have lebron beat them with shooting, something thats not his forte, than beat them at the rim - which he can do better than anyone, but it didnt work.
ray allen did save them that game, but thats what TEAMS do - they pick up the slack for each other. kobe didnt win anything on his own. neither did jordan. the idea that lebron has to hit every clutch shot while his team stands and watches is ridiculous imo.
and as for the heat fans, cmon - im a dubs fan and youre a laker fan - we come from areas that are passionate about basketball. we care about our teams and are knowledgeable. miami is more concerned with their mojitos and iphones, even dan lebatard said that lol.
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and i voted no btw, im not a kobe hater. ive said i think hes a dick, but jordan was too. some guys who want to be the best have that sociopathic quality to them where they just mow down folks they think are in their way. kobe is a great player, but hes not the best player in the nba today. he could still get a ring, yeah. whenever kobe has the ball and the clock is ticking down hes one of those guys that i just expect him to make whatever shot he throws up.
and i do think that he has been hobbled by injuries in the last few yrs. which is a bad sign for someone whos played as long as he has. the guy is on the downside of a great career, thats not a diss. and thats not saying he cant pull another trick from his sleeve and win a title again. thats just what i see as reality. and especially when u factor in how teams in the west are getting better and better, its gonna be a tough road for him.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
LeBron James is the best player in the NBA right now
the finals proved otherwise....kobe on that heat team sweeps the spurs.
You should really stop with those "IF" arguments bro.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
LeBron James is the best player in the NBA right now
the finals proved otherwise....kobe on that heat team sweeps the spurs.
You should really stop with those "IF" arguments bro.
it's a hypothetical situation to help people understand that lebron is made to look better because of what he's workin with.
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lol so he's an iron man for the past decade, but injurs his Achilles cuz he's being ran to the ground by d(umb)antoni, and now he's injury prone? Kobe still aint fell off and LeBron was still a ray allen three away from the biggest choke job in sports history.... Kobe still on that top tier level and proved to the world he hadnt lost a step when he individually willed us to a 28-11 record in the second half of last season.
wait wait wait. choke? how many triple doubles did the guy have in the finals?
kobe aint on top right now man, thats all im sayin. you cant really argue that.
LOL, SORRY, BUT HE HAD MORE SHITTY GAMES THAN GOOD ONES, AND DIDNT EVEN REACH 20 POINTS IN THE FIRST THREE GAMES! HE WAS PLAYIN SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM WITH A 5 FOOT CUSHION!! LOL...U THINK KOBE HAS EVER BEEN GUARDED LIKE THAT? THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE DOESNT GET DARED TO TAKE A JUMPSHOT...HE'S THE MOST GLORIFIED STAT-PADDER IN THE LEAGUE WITH THE MOST HELP ON HIS TEAM. THAT IS ALL. IS HE A BEAST? YES. IS HE AS GOOD AS BILLED? NO WAY.
DIDNT I POST UP A THREAD WHERE A BUNCHA HEAT FANS WER DENOUNCING HIM AS THE BIGGEST CHOKE EVER 5 GAMES IN? DID A RAY ALLEN THREE REALLY ERASE ALL OF THAT?? THERE AINT NO THIN LINE BETWEEN CHOKE-ARTIST AND GREATEST PLAYER. IF U WATCHED THE GAMES, U SAW HIM GETTIN SAVED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. HE WAS SO BAD THEY STARTED GUARDING HIM LIKE RONNIE BREWER....COME ON, NOW.
that was the spurs strategy against the guy, hes not ray allen or steph curry from the field, feel me? and i do believe that their strategy backfired. they'd rather have lebron beat them with shooting, something thats not his forte, than beat them at the rim - which he can do better than anyone, but it didnt work.
ray allen did save them that game, but thats what TEAMS do - they pick up the slack for each other. kobe didnt win anything on his own. neither did jordan. the idea that lebron has to hit every clutch shot while his team stands and watches is ridiculous imo.
and as for the heat fans, cmon - im a dubs fan and youre a laker fan - we come from areas that are passionate about basketball. we care about our teams and are knowledgeable. miami is more concerned with their mojitos and iphones, even dan lebatard said that lol.
yea, but the difference is, kobe and jordan carry teams on their back and then might depend on others for 1 or 2 big plays....with lebron, he was pretty much carried throughout the series with more bad games than good ones...if u watched the finals, u will see, there is no way lebron is the best player in basketball, and thats just bein real.
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I have to agree.. If you're the best player in the league and on picks the defense goes under and gives you an uncontested shot, like not even a quick close, just gives you the shot, thats a HUGE flaw. Sure, LeBron shot his ass off in Game 7, but can he do that consistently? That is yet to be seen and with that said, how can you declare him the best in the league? Hell, I wouldnt argue with Durant being call best in the league.
Kobe is still an elite player at 34-35, 16 years in, and what real flaw can you say he has, that he shoots too much? Well I guarantee that the Spurs wouldnt have checked Kobe like they checked Lebron because Kobe's shot is RESPECTED, Lebron's isnt. So can u declare someone the best player in the league and their SHOT isnt even respected?
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and i voted no btw, im not a kobe hater. ive said i think hes a dick, but jordan was too. some guys who want to be the best have that sociopathic quality to them where they just mow down folks they think are in their way. kobe is a great player, but hes not the best player in the nba today. he could still get a ring, yeah. whenever kobe has the ball and the clock is ticking down hes one of those guys that i just expect him to make whatever shot he throws up.
and i do think that he has been hobbled by injuries in the last few yrs. which is a bad sign for someone whos played as long as he has. the guy is on the downside of a great career, thats not a diss. and thats not saying he cant pull another trick from his sleeve and win a title again. thats just what i see as reality. and especially when u factor in how teams in the west are getting better and better, its gonna be a tough road for him.
u cant deny, playing on the level he's been playing is quite impressive for some1 on "the downside of their career".. year in and year out, people act like kobe's game is about to take a major drop-off....year in and year out, he's been provin em wrong with straight greatness....he ran himself 2 the ground willing dwight's pathetic ass to the playoffs, and this the mufuckin thanks he get?
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I have to agree.. If you're the best player in the league and on picks the defense goes under and gives you an uncontested shot, like not even a quick close, just gives you the shot, thats a HUGE flaw. Sure, LeBron shot his ass off in Game 7, but can he do that consistently? That is yet to be seen and with that said, how can you declare him the best in the league? Hell, I wouldnt argue with Durant being call best in the league.
Kobe is still an elite player at 34-35, 16 years in, and what real flaw can you say he has, that he shoots too much? Well I guarantee that the Spurs wouldnt have checked Kobe like they checked Lebron because Kobe's shot is RESPECTED, Lebron's isnt. So can u declare someone the best player in the league and their SHOT isnt even respected?
real spit tho... kobe woulda averaged 50 ppg if he was guarded like lebron
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kobe should retire its gonna be a few years before the lakers are in the contention again i dont wanna see him turn into a shell of himself.
U MUST NOT KNOW OUR TRACK RECORD
that was under Dr. Bus, who is now deceased.
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kobe should retire its gonna be a few years before the lakers are in the contention again i dont wanna see him turn into a shell of himself.
U MUST NOT KNOW OUR TRACK RECORD
that was under Dr. Bus, who is now deceased.
STILL LAKERS
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NIK, has your account been hacked?
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kobe should retire its gonna be a few years before the lakers are in the contention again i dont wanna see him turn into a shell of himself.
U MUST NOT KNOW OUR TRACK RECORD
that was under Dr. Bus, who is now deceased.
STILL LAKERS
you guys are gonna be lucky to make the playoffs this year son
and who you gonna get in 2014? Lebron? highly doubtful. Melo? so what, you won't win with him.
lakers aren't going to be much for a few years...ironically the final years of Kobe's career
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WELL SEE
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don't worry man, my Celtics aren't going to be shit for awhile either. maybe if we luck out in next years draft but you can never count on that. all i ask is that i can continue to watch Rondo dominate other PG's in a Celtics uniform
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I love them NIK says shit like "his team makes him look better".
1. Why would GM's not best suit their teams FOR their superstar...kinda like Kobe demanded the Lakers did before he jumped ship.
2. Wade can barely stretch without needing an ice pack, Bosh scored zero points in the biggest game of his life and everyone else is a minimum wage shooter.
If you want to use an "if" argument, IF Bron had Dwight instead of Bosh he would of swept the Spurs...and probably have gone 82-0. Kobe just can't utilize him because he's a terrible teammate and has an even worse ego.
You needa just come to terms that you're mad that Game 7 was arguably the greatest game ever played by anyone, especially in a Game 7.
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can't it be fall already? we'd have the NFL back, the world series would be going on and the NBA season would be tipping off right after
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can't it be fall already? we'd have the NFL back, the world series would be going on and the NBA season would be tipping off right after
Nah, don't wish my summer away bro
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I used to have respect for NIK and his basketball view, and up until last year, we were always in agreement. Cham and other Lebron fans were so annoying with the "what if" games, i.e. "if Lebron had Shaq, if Lebron had better teammates and so on", basically making up excuses why Lebron was ring-less. I remember how we always called out Cham and other that nobody gives a fuck about a "what if" and what actually happened is the only thing that mattered.
Well, fast forward 2 years and NIK is using the same bullshit logic to discredit Lebron's last 2 rings. Making up all this hypothetical scenarios and saying how last season was a short one, how Lebron was one shot aways from whatever NIK is claiming. But guess what? That did not fucking happen. Miami Heat won. For the 2nd year in a row. Nobody is going to remember the specifics on how they won. They will know that Lebron played his ass off to get Miami to the finals, despite Bosh and Wade going to the shitter. They will remember him having a shaky finals but that's nothing rare for the finals, which is a completely different chapter. He had some bad games, but a bad game in current Lebron world is having a triple double. A triple double.
And most importantly, if you are dumb enough to play the what if game, which by itself, like anybody who played sports in their life knows, is totally pointless...you have the use it all the time. Not just when it's convenient for you. Just going by last couple of years, one might wonder WHAT IF the whole Laker team hadn't bailed out Kobe from that terrible game 7 against Boston. WHAT IF Gasol didn't score that tip in after Kobe's missed clutch shot against OKC?
But like I've said, thinking like that is retarded because all everybody is going to remember and SHOULD remember is Kobe winning that ring number 4 and 5.
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can't it be fall already? we'd have the NFL back, the world series would be going on and the NBA season would be tipping off right after
Nah, don't wish my summer away bro
haha summer was only special when i was in school...since i graduated college summer is just another time of the year now. where you need an air conditioner on lol
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I used to have respect for NIK and his basketball view, and up until last year, we were always in agreement. Cham and other Lebron fans were so annoying with the "what if" games, i.e. "if Lebron had Shaq, if Lebron had better teammates and so on", basically making up excuses why Lebron was ring-less. I remember how we always called out Cham and other that nobody gives a fuck about a "what if" and what actually happened is the only thing that mattered.
Well, fast forward 2 years and NIK is using the same bullshit logic to discredit Lebron's last 2 rings. Making up all this hypothetical scenarios and saying how last season was a short one, how Lebron was one shot aways from whatever NIK is claiming. But guess what? That did not fucking happen. Miami Heat won. For the 2nd year in a row. Nobody is going to remember the specifics on how they won. They will know that Lebron played his ass off to get Miami to the finals, despite Bosh and Wade going to the shitter. They will remember him having a shaky finals but that's nothing rare for the finals, which is a completely different chapter. He had some bad games, but a bad game in current Lebron world is having a triple double. A triple double.
And most importantly, if you are dumb enough to play the what if game, which by itself, like anybody who played sports in their life knows, is totally pointless...you have the use it all the time. Not just when it's convenient for you. Just going by last couple of years, one might wonder WHAT IF the whole Laker team hadn't bailed out Kobe from that terrible game 7 against Boston. WHAT IF Gasol didn't score that tip in after Kobe's missed clutch shot against OKC?
But like I've said, thinking like that is retarded because all everybody is going to remember and SHOULD remember is Kobe winning that ring number 4 and 5.
all im saying is lebron is not the best player in the entire world of basketball, and if u disagree, thats on u. did he have the best team? yes. did he lead them to a title? yes. does he deserve credit? of course...but is he the best basketball player because he was able to lead the best team to a title? no....was chauncey billups the best player in basketball in 2004 or was paul pierce the best player in basketball in 2008?.....u dont gotta understand it, but please respect it.
and im also not playing the WHAT IF game...i'm saying what it is. lebron had more bad games than good ones. heat fans were calling for his head by game 5. he choked in the first three games...THREE GAMES. he has the luxury of a supporting cast that consists of knock-down shooters and franchise players. they carry him as much as lebron carries them......kobe does not get carried, he carries teams, and of course he counts on them for big plays here and there, but look at the big picture. he's won with less and had to do more. theres no way around it. even that other new poster who seems pretty knowledgeable agrees with me. the best player in basketball does not play so shitty to the point where the defense starts sagging off of him to give him open jumpers. meho, i feel like ur just stat watching and didnt actually watch all the games in their entirety....am i right?
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IF Bron had Dwight instead of Bosh he would of swept the Spurs...and probably have gone 82-0. Kobe just can't utilize him because he's a terrible teammate and has an even worse ego.
^these are the "if" arguments people need to be laughing at, foreal
You needa just come to terms that you're mad that Game 7 was arguably the greatest game ever played by anyone, especially in a Game 7.
lmfaoooo
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I have to agree.. If you're the best player in the league and on picks the defense goes under and gives you an uncontested shot, like not even a quick close, just gives you the shot, thats a HUGE flaw. Sure, LeBron shot his ass off in Game 7, but can he do that consistently? That is yet to be seen and with that said, how can you declare him the best in the league? Hell, I wouldnt argue with Durant being call best in the league.
Kobe is still an elite player at 34-35, 16 years in, and what real flaw can you say he has, that he shoots too much? Well I guarantee that the Spurs wouldnt have checked Kobe like they checked Lebron because Kobe's shot is RESPECTED, Lebron's isnt. So can u declare someone the best player in the league and their SHOT isnt even respected?
real spit tho... kobe woulda averaged 50 ppg if he was guarded like lebron
Forget the "hypothetical" arguments. We deal in reality. Average 50 points?!!! Doesn't Kobe have most of the worst shooting games (percentage wise) ever? So yeah, he could average 50, but with 50 shots a game.
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I have to agree.. If you're the best player in the league and on picks the defense goes under and gives you an uncontested shot, like not even a quick close, just gives you the shot, thats a HUGE flaw. Sure, LeBron shot his ass off in Game 7, but can he do that consistently? That is yet to be seen and with that said, how can you declare him the best in the league? Hell, I wouldnt argue with Durant being call best in the league.
Kobe is still an elite player at 34-35, 16 years in, and what real flaw can you say he has, that he shoots too much? Well I guarantee that the Spurs wouldnt have checked Kobe like they checked Lebron because Kobe's shot is RESPECTED, Lebron's isnt. So can u declare someone the best player in the league and their SHOT isnt even respected?
real spit tho... kobe woulda averaged 50 ppg if he was guarded like lebron
Forget the "hypothetical" arguments. We deal in reality. Average 50 points?!!! Doesn't Kobe have most of the worst shooting games (percentage wise) ever? So yeah, he could average 50, but with 50 shots a game.
point is, lebron was not being guarded like the best player in the nba. if u saw the games, u saw it urself (unless ur blind).....thats all there is to it.
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I used to have respect for NIK and his basketball view, and up until last year, we were always in agreement. Cham and other Lebron fans were so annoying with the "what if" games, i.e. "if Lebron had Shaq, if Lebron had better teammates and so on", basically making up excuses why Lebron was ring-less. I remember how we always called out Cham and other that nobody gives a fuck about a "what if" and what actually happened is the only thing that mattered.
Well, fast forward 2 years and NIK is using the same bullshit logic to discredit Lebron's last 2 rings. Making up all this hypothetical scenarios and saying how last season was a short one, how Lebron was one shot aways from whatever NIK is claiming. But guess what? That did not fucking happen. Miami Heat won. For the 2nd year in a row. Nobody is going to remember the specifics on how they won. They will know that Lebron played his ass off to get Miami to the finals, despite Bosh and Wade going to the shitter. They will remember him having a shaky finals but that's nothing rare for the finals, which is a completely different chapter. He had some bad games, but a bad game in current Lebron world is having a triple double. A triple double.
And most importantly, if you are dumb enough to play the what if game, which by itself, like anybody who played sports in their life knows, is totally pointless...you have the use it all the time. Not just when it's convenient for you. Just going by last couple of years, one might wonder WHAT IF the whole Laker team hadn't bailed out Kobe from that terrible game 7 against Boston. WHAT IF Gasol didn't score that tip in after Kobe's missed clutch shot against OKC?
But like I've said, thinking like that is retarded because all everybody is going to remember and SHOULD remember is Kobe winning that ring number 4 and 5.
all im saying is lebron is not the best player in the entire world of basketball
so who won the last 2 MVP's?
:spam:
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mvp=popularity contest
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mvp=popularity contest
so who is better, Jordan Farmar?
:nahnah:
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mvp=popularity contest
so who is better, Jordan Farmar?
:nahnah:
LOL. Agreed on the MVP point though, not that LeBron didn't deserve this, but you can look through most sports historically and find people who didn't recieve individual accolades for reasons outside of who the best player was.
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mvp=popularity contest
so who is better, Jordan Farmar?
:nahnah:
LOL. Agreed on the MVP point though, not that LeBron didn't deserve this, but you can look through most sports historically and find people who didn't recieve individual accolades for reasons outside of who the best player was.
holy shit, some common sense
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http://www.youtube.com/v/30ElUmrpZEU
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all im saying is lebron is not the best player in the entire world of basketball, and if u disagree, thats on u. did he have the best team? yes. did he lead them to a title? yes. does he deserve credit? of course...but is he the best basketball player because he was able to lead the best team to a title? no....was chauncey billups the best player in basketball in 2004 or was paul pierce the best player in basketball in 2008?.....u dont gotta understand it, but please respect it.
Then tell me this, who is the best NBA player for you right now? We're talking about right now, not the history some players have.
heat fans were calling for his head by game 5
Who gives a fuck about what Heat fans have to say? I know normal people from Miami and they say the Heat fans are dumb fucks. You can see from a mile aways that they're nothing but bandwagon fans with very little basketball knowledge. Not all of them but the majority for sure. Bunch of the left game 6 with 2 mintues to go for fucks sake. Who does that?
he has the luxury of a supporting cast that consists of knock-down shooters and franchise players. they carry him as much as lebron carries them......kobe does not get carried, he carries teams, and of course he counts on them for big plays here and there, but look at the big picture. he's won with less and had to do more. theres no way around it. even that other new poster who seems pretty knowledgeable agrees with me. the best player in basketball does not play so shitty to the point where the defense starts sagging off of him to give him open jumpers. meho, i feel like ur just stat watching and didnt actually watch all the games in their entirety....am i right?
We've been through this before. We've agreed 2 years ago that Kobe was smart to surround himself with a great cast, that he was smart that he demanded a trade and basically saying I want better teammates. That was smart and leader like. Everybody needs a strong team around him. Nobody wins championships by himself. And you saying "but Kobe's teammates do this, while Lebron's do this" is all speculation, subjective and nitpicking.
Yeah they gave him open jumpers, which is something that was Lebrons weakness since he came into the NBA. I know how shitty at it he used to be. Kobe had way more finesse and talent in this area, no one is denying that. But what's scary about Lebron is, that he gets better at it every single season and still has much room for improvement. Which is something that definitely will help him once he gets older. Kobe's game was pretty much perfect from his first NBA minute.
And yes, you can say he had 3 bad games in the finals. But like I've said, the finals are a completley different game than the rest of the season. You even saw Parker and Duncan having a pair of horrible games and we all know where Parker and Duncan stand in the NBA world. And most improtantly, if I'm an owner, I don't give a flying fuck if my team superstar had 3 bad games (still having triple double btw), resulting in a game 7. What would matter to me is, that the same superstar would take matters into their own hands and win that game 7. Which is 100% something that Lebron did and you know it. Just like if I'm a team owner I wouldn't care if Kobe had a shitty game 7 and others had to bail him out, because Kobe is the one who even got the team to game 7.
I watched all final games btw.
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all im saying is lebron is not the best player in the entire world of basketball, and if u disagree, thats on u. did he have the best team? yes. did he lead them to a title? yes. does he deserve credit? of course...but is he the best basketball player because he was able to lead the best team to a title? no....was chauncey billups the best player in basketball in 2004 or was paul pierce the best player in basketball in 2008?.....u dont gotta understand it, but please respect it.
Then tell me this, who is the best NBA player for you right now? We're talking about right now, not the history some players have.
i'd say kobe right before he got injured was playing at a level as high as anyone, and single-handedly willed that mess of a team to the playoffs in desperation. what were we, like 12th in the west before we went on that surge? durant it up there too. not saying lebron is not in the discussion, but there is no clear cut best right now like people are acting with lebron.
heat fans were calling for his head by game 5
Who gives a fuck about what Heat fans have to say? I know normal people from Miami and they say the Heat fans are dumb fucks. You can see from a mile aways that they're nothing but bandwagon fans with very little basketball knowledge. Not all of them but the majority for sure. Bunch of the left game 6 with 2 mintues to go for fucks sake. Who does that?
my point is, the talk before every game leading up to game 7 was "would lebron show up?"...even on bspn! does that sound like some shit you ever heard with magic, michael, bird, kobe, etc? do u not see what im getting at?
he has the luxury of a supporting cast that consists of knock-down shooters and franchise players. they carry him as much as lebron carries them......kobe does not get carried, he carries teams, and of course he counts on them for big plays here and there, but look at the big picture. he's won with less and had to do more. theres no way around it. even that other new poster who seems pretty knowledgeable agrees with me. the best player in basketball does not play so shitty to the point where the defense starts sagging off of him to give him open jumpers. meho, i feel like ur just stat watching and didnt actually watch all the games in their entirety....am i right?
We've been through this before. We've agreed 2 years ago that Kobe was smart to surround himself with a great cast, that he was smart that he demanded a trade and basically saying I want better teammates. That was smart and leader like. Everybody needs a strong team around him. Nobody wins championships by himself. And you saying "but Kobe's teammates do this, while Lebron's do this" is all speculation, subjective and nitpicking.
Yeah they gave him open jumpers, which is something that was Lebrons weakness since he came into the NBA. I know how shitty at it he used to be. Kobe had way more finesse and talent in this area, no one is denying that. But what's scary about Lebron is, that he gets better at it every single season and still has much room for improvement. Which is something that definitely will help him once he gets older. Kobe's game was pretty much perfect from his first NBA minute.
And yes, you can say he had 3 bad games in the finals. But like I've said, the finals are a completley different game than the rest of the season. You even saw Parker and Duncan having a pair of horrible games and we all know where Parker and Duncan stand in the NBA world. And most improtantly, if I'm an owner, I don't give a flying fuck if my team superstar had 3 bad games (still having triple double btw), resulting in a game 7. What would matter to me is, that the same superstar would take matters into their own hands and win that game 7. Which is 100% something that Lebron did and you know it. Just like if I'm a team owner I wouldn't care if Kobe had a shitty game 7 and others had to bail him out, because Kobe is the one who even got the team to game 7.
I watched all final games btw.
duncan is old and parker was injured....they would never have 4 bad games in the finals in their primes. it's just not a good comparison. lebron's improved his game, i'll give him that, no question. but from here on out, his athleticism and stamina will only decrease, so u might see a quick drop-off if he doesnt continue developing those others fundamental aspects he lacks in (consistent jumper, footwork, post-game, etc)...lets not forget, golden state also went to 7 with the spurs. this is not the 2005 spurs were talkin bout..heat were supposedd to win, it woulda been an epic failure if they didnt. lebron did okay, but he didnt do great......thats all there is to it.
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And most importantly, if you are dumb enough to play the what if game, which by itself, like anybody who played sports in their life knows, is totally pointless...you have the use it all the time. Not just when it's convenient for you. Just going by last couple of years, one might wonder WHAT IF the whole Laker team hadn't bailed out Kobe from that terrible game 7 against Boston.
Or what if Kendrick Perkins didn't get injured at the beginning of game 6... I don't doubt that helped the Lakers win games 6 and 7.
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this thread is a mess.
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LMAO @ nik still not being able to get over the fact Kobe hasn't been the best player in the NBA for several years now
last year he tried to tell us all Carmelo and Durant were better than Lebron ::)
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LMAO @ nik still not being able to get over the fact Kobe hasn't been the best player in the NBA for several years now
last year he tried to tell us all Carmelo and Durant were better than Lebron ::)
Why do u always lie to make points? Is it cuz u don't have any real ones???
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1. Who deserved MVP?
2. If its a "popularity contest", maybe the most hated player in basketball wouldn't win it.
3. Who had a better Game 7 in the Finals?
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1. Who deserved MVP?
2. If its a "popularity contest", maybe the most hated player in basketball wouldn't win it.
3. Who had a better Game 7 in the Finals?
1.NEVER SAID LEBRON DOESNT DESERVE MVP. I'M SAYING HE PROVED IN THE FINALS THAT HE WAS NOT THE HANDS-DOWN BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.
2.MOST POPULAR PLAYER. U CAN BE HATED AND POPULAR.
3.JAMES WORTHY '88, WALT FRAZIER '70, BILL RUSSELL '62, JERRY WEST '69, HAKEEM '94
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So the best in 20 years. Pretty impressive.
So who is the best player in the league?
And stop tryna belittle. I broke down to you he played poorly (for him) in two games.
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So the best in 20 years. Pretty impressive.
So who is the best player in the league?
And stop tryna belittle. I broke down to you he played poorly (for him) in two games.
HAKEEM'S WAS IN 94, THATS WITHIN A 20 YEAR SPAN LOL
AND IN THOSE 20 YEARS, THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN 4 NBA FINALS THAT WENT TO 7 GAMES. LEBRON PLACES 2ND OUT OF 4, BUT ALSO HAD THE WORST OVERALL SERIES OF THE GROUP :D
AND THERE IS NO CLEAR-CUT BEST RIGHT NOW.
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LMAO @ nik still not being able to get over the fact Kobe hasn't been the best player in the NBA for several years now
last year he tried to tell us all Carmelo and Durant were better than Lebron ::)
Why do u always lie to make points? Is it cuz u don't have any real ones???
lie? what lie?
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i hope kobe retires man unless they get some power plays in before the next season its going to be down right sad watching the lakers for the next few years...on the other hand im mad excited for the pistons.
my dad was a huge pistons fan and an huge magic johnson fan so i kind of inherited a soft spot for the lakers, i always want them to do well basketball dont seems as fun when they are floundering.
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i hope kobe retires man unless they get some power plays in before the next season its going to be down right sad watching the lakers for the next few years...on the other hand im mad excited for the pistons.
my dad was a huge pistons fan and an huge magic johnson fan so i kind of inherited a soft spot for the lakers, i always want them to do well basketball dont seems as fun when they are floundering.
your pops an msu fan?
basketball is great when the lakers lose :D
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LMAO @ nik still not being able to get over the fact Kobe hasn't been the best player in the NBA for several years now
last year he tried to tell us all Carmelo and Durant were better than Lebron ::)
Why do u always lie to make points? Is it cuz u don't have any real ones???
lie? what lie?
I SAID MELO WAS BETTER THAN LEBRON LAST YEAR?
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No clear cut LOL. Niggas wonder why this forum is dead.
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i hope kobe retires man unless they get some power plays in before the next season its going to be down right sad watching the lakers for the next few years...on the other hand im mad excited for the pistons.
my dad was a huge pistons fan and an huge magic johnson fan so i kind of inherited a soft spot for the lakers, i always want them to do well basketball dont seems as fun when they are floundering.
your pops an msu fan?
basketball is great when the lakers lose :D
yes he was truly conflicted when the lakers played the pistons both times in the finals
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2014, that is all.
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lol at trading away the best player in the league
best player in the league? lmao
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he was last year before he went down wit that injury
easier 2 kick a man when hes down tho
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he was last year before he went down wit that injury
easier 2 kick a man when hes down tho
he was not the best player in the league last year....i don't recall him winning the MVP (let alone MVP of the NBA finals too). and you can't be serious if you think Kobe was better than Durant last year either.
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look at the game logs before he went out... he was doin better than any1 to close out the season last year....cant win mvp or finals mvp when u dont finish the season, tho
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/gamelog/?season=2012_2
april 2013, prior to the injury:
kobe averaged 30.5 ppg-7 rpg-7.5 apg-2.2 spg
compared to lebron 24.8 ppg-6 rpg-6.8 apg-1 spg
and durant 26.1 ppg-7.9 rpg-6.4 apg-1.3 spg
how quickly mufuckaz forget
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so you take one short month to prove a point? lol Lebron was winning that MVP no matter what old man Kobe did
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lmao kobe being in any mvp discussions
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kobe was the best to close the seasons...i proved it and now yall mad. suck deez nuts bietch
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kobe was the best to close the seasons...i proved it and now yall mad. suck deez nuts bietch
so you ignore november thru march? :D
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Lol
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kobe was the best to close the seasons...i proved it and now yall mad. suck deez nuts bietch
so you ignore november thru march? :D
he was beastin then too, but all great players ramp up their production come playoff time..
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so when Lebron's team has the #1 seed locked up, he's supposed to start playing more and more? :laugh:
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theres a reason why LeBron always turns it down in the playoffs
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theres a reason why LeBron always turns it down in the playoffs
like 25, 11 and 7 in the nba finals against the Spurs? those stats are horrible
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AGAIN, HE HAD MORE BAD GAMES THAN GOOD ONES IN THAT SERIES. THATS A FACT.
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That is far from a fact.
And in the end all that matters is game 7 he drops 37 points, making up for the combined 0 from Bosh, Allen and Miller (who started). Bron was 12-23 while Kobe would go 12-30 to get to 37 points. That's a fact ;D
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THATS AN ASSUMPTION....READ THE DICTIONARY BEFORE U GO 2 SLEEP TONIGHT