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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on September 16, 2013, 08:41:40 AM
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he's been around for almost 25 years, hung around the best of the best of em and yet all his projects have tons of filler on them
i think in the late 90's when he dropping hits like Gimmie Some Mo and Dangerous that he could have easily dropped a 5 star album if he tried harder :eh:
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Depends who you ask about it. Its not for one person to call a classic, but genesis and big bang are very solid. Tho you have a point, Busta havent made any album a masterpiece. Too many filler as you said, and even good tracks or the taotally dope ones were still missing something for me.
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Depends who you ask about it. Its not for one person to call a classic, but genesis and big bang are very solid. Tho you have a point, Busta havent made any album a masterpiece. Too many filler as you said, and even good tracks or the taotally dope ones were still missing something for me.
my fav busta cd is still E.L.E.
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The Leaders of the New School albums were the closest to him having a classic album.
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The Leaders of the New School albums were the closest to him having a classic album.
T.I.M.E. was decent at best
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classic case of a singles artist....like you said albums had too much filler but his singles were always bangin 8)
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The Leaders of the New School albums were the closest to him having a classic album.
T.I.M.E. was decent at best
What do you rate it Will?
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Anarchy was so much better then what motherfuckers said it was. they picked some shitty singles but there was some very dope shit on there.
dilla at his finest and that song why we die with dmx and jay z is dope as fuck
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Depends who you ask about it. Its not for one person to call a classic, but genesis and big bang are very solid. Tho you have a point, Busta havent made any album a masterpiece. Too many filler as you said, and even good tracks or the taotally dope ones were still missing something for me.
my fav busta cd is still E.L.E.
I haven't got all his albums but ELE and Big Bang are FIRE 8) 8)
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classic case of a singles artist....like you said albums had too much filler but his singles were always bangin 8)
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'The Big Bang' is an all-round great album. I don't consider there to be any real filler tracks on there, but do I think of it as a classic? Probably not.
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'The Big Bang' is an all-round great album. I don't consider there to be any real filler tracks on there, but do I think of it as a classic? Probably not.
Just a lil better and we'd be talking bout it being a classic of those times tho
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'The Big Bang' is an all-round great album. I don't consider there to be any real filler tracks on there, but do I think of it as a classic? Probably not.
Just a lil better and we'd be talking bout it being a classic of those times tho
A mini-masterpiece, if you will. ;D
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The Leaders of the New School albums were the closest to him having a classic album.
T.I.M.E. was decent at best
What do you rate it Will?
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'The Big Bang' is an all-round great album. I don't consider there to be any real filler tracks on there, but do I think of it as a classic? Probably not.
Just a lil better and we'd be talking bout it being a classic of those times tho
A mini-masterpiece, if you will. ;D
i see what you did there
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'The Big Bang' is an all-round great album. I don't consider there to be any real filler tracks on there, but do I think of it as a classic? Probably not.
Just a lil better and we'd be talking bout it being a classic of those times tho
A mini-masterpiece, if you will. ;D
LMAO!
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The Leaders of the New School albums were the closest to him having a classic album.
T.I.M.E. was decent at best
What do you rate it Will?
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it's true...busta is one of the great rappers of our time, and he's never put out a classic. most of em are dope, though.
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Busta is one of those artist that went for the singles, a couple of dope tracks, them just filled out the blank tracks with crap. A lot of artist are guilty of it but he's too good to be one of them. Damn shame Busta
The Big Bang is probably the closest.
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he's been around for almost 25 years, hung around the best of the best of em and yet all his projects have tons of filler on them
i think in the late 90's when he dropping hits like Gimmie Some Mo and Dangerous that he could have easily dropped a 5 star album if he tried harder :eh:
Busta is a glorified Feature artist. Probably one of the best Rappers ever at Guest Appearances. He just can't put it together for an entire album.
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i think his first five were all very good and consistent...sometimes his shit would be a lil too ambitious. (ozzy collabos, the janet and mariaha songs)
but those albums were far from duds...im not sure if id rather have one classic then a bunch of so so stuff like jeezy or nas or have a catalog of consistently good memorable music.
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lol nas's catalogue is way more consistent than busta's, brobro
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i think his first five were all very good and consistent...sometimes his shit would be a lil too ambitious. (ozzy collabos, the janet and mariaha songs)
but those albums were far from duds...im not sure if id rather have one classic then a bunch of so so stuff like jeezy or nas or have a catalog of consistently good memorable music.
i agree that Jeezy sucks...which is funny because i have a good friend who SWEARS that jeezy has 5 classic albums :eh:
then again he's all about bumping loud bass in his land cruiser and waking up his neighbors at 6 am with it lol
as for Nas...i think Illmatic, It WAs Written and Stillmatic were 3 dope ass CD's. I Am was worth buying as well, although not on par with the other 3.
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lol nas's catalogue is way more consistent than busta's, brobro
sorry broseph but every other album he does gets critically panned.
but on some personal preference shit im a fan. hes a great artist who just made a few wrong turns but a living legend none the less.
i dont think nas has never had a single as big as put your hands where my eyes can see and illmatic didnt have any catchy shit like woo hah but busta was kind of a let down woo hah was like one of the most impactful songs of its decade and it led to a luke warm album and thats his career trend. banger singles and lackluster albums.
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lol nas's catalogue is way more consistent than busta's, brobro
sorry broseph but every other album he does gets critically panned.
but on some personal preference shit im a fan. hes a great artist who just made a few wrong turns but a living legend none the less.
i dont think nas has never had a single as big as put your hands where my eyes can see and illmatic didnt have any catchy shit like woo hah but busta was kind of a let down woo hah was like one of the most impactful songs of its decade and it led to a luke warm album and thats his career trend. banger singles and lackluster albums.
"IF I RULED THE WORLD" AND "STREET DREAMS" WERE PRETTY DAMN BIG
BUT REGARDLESS, NAS HAS A CLASSIC IN HIS CATALOGUE, AND 2 OTHER CLASSIC-TO-NEAR CLASSICS....THEN HE'S GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER GREAT ALBUMS AND EVEN THAT JOINT EFFORT WIT DAMIEN MARLEY, WHICH WAS REAL. BUSTA'S CATALOGUE IS COOL N ALL, BUT IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE IN TERMS OF QUALITY. ONLY MEDIOCRE ALBUM NAS PUT OUT WAS "NASTRADAUMAS"....IN COMPARISON, BUSTA'S SHIT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM DOPE TO SUB-PAR, DEPENDING ON ALBUM.
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lol nas's catalogue is way more consistent than busta's, brobro
sorry broseph but every other album he does gets critically panned.
but on some personal preference shit im a fan. hes a great artist who just made a few wrong turns but a living legend none the less.
i dont think nas has never had a single as big as put your hands where my eyes can see and illmatic didnt have any catchy shit like woo hah but busta was kind of a let down woo hah was like one of the most impactful songs of its decade and it led to a luke warm album and thats his career trend. banger singles and lackluster albums.
"IF I RULED THE WORLD" AND "STREET DREAMS" WERE PRETTY DAMN BIG
BUT REGARDLESS, NAS HAS A CLASSIC IN HIS CATALOGUE, AND 2 OTHER CLASSIC-TO-NEAR CLASSICS....THEN HE'S GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER GREAT ALBUMS AND EVEN THAT JOINT EFFORT WIT DAMIEN MARLEY, WHICH WAS REAL. BUSTA'S CATALOGUE IS COOL N ALL, BUT IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE IN TERMS OF QUALITY. ONLY MEDIOCRE ALBUM NAS PUT OUT WAS "NASTRADAUMAS"....IN COMPARISON, BUSTA'S SHIT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM DOPE TO SUB-PAR, DEPENDING ON ALBUM.
Agree w/this.
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Wtf @ using Nas as a comparison?
Life is Good > Busta's catalogue
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Life is Good > Busta's catalogue
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who do you think is wealthier of the two rappers? who do you think is still cashing royalty checks off the classic singles being used constantly in the media?
dont get me wrong if i was on an island and i could only listen to one rappers catalog it would probably be nas (someone make that thread)
im just drawing parrellels of rappers who didnt quite live up to expectations...if it were up to me id like to see a rapper of nas integrity in jayz position. i think the rap game would be in a better place for it.
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who do you think is wealthier of the two rappers? who do you think is still cashing royalty checks off the classic singles being used constantly in the media?
dont get me wrong if i was on an island and i could only listen to one rappers catalog it would probably be nas (someone make that thread)
im just drawing parrellels of rappers who didnt quite live up to expectations...if it were up to me id like to see a rapper of nas integrity in jayz position. i think the rap game would be in a better place for it.
I agree with you there. But it's all about music for me and I don't think their catalogs are close and I like Busta.
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I think Busta Rhymes album The Coming is pretty close to a classic.....but Busta had massive singles that always overshadowed his albums back in the day...I haven't kept up on his newer stuff but he's held his own in the rap game I see no reason to hate on him......
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Could be like with Bob Marley, he got heat all over his albums, havent check all, but im not sure there is a one completly classic album. But Legend (greatest hits) smashes everything. Somebody should put out Busta's greatest hits one day.
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who do you think is wealthier of the two rappers? who do you think is still cashing royalty checks off the classic singles being used constantly in the media?
dont get me wrong if i was on an island and i could only listen to one rappers catalog it would probably be nas (someone make that thread)
im just drawing parrellels of rappers who didnt quite live up to expectations...if it were up to me id like to see a rapper of nas integrity in jayz position. i think the rap game would be in a better place for it.
NAS IS JUST A LOWKEY SORTA DUDE... NOT ALWAYS PUTTIN HIMSELF OUT IN THE FOREFRONT, SOFT-SPOKEN, LAID BACK, ETC.
WHILE BUSTA AND JAY-Z TURNED THEMSELVES INTO BRANDS AND MADE AS MUCH NOISE AS POSSIBLE, NAS JUST REMAINED AN EMCEE.....TO SAY HE HASNT LIVED UP TO EXPECTATIONS IS WRONG, THO. THE NAME NAS WAS NEVER EXPECTED TO TURN INTO A MARKETING PLOY...HE MAKES GOOD MUSIC AND THATS IT.
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ur crazy dude this guy wears read patent leather suits and long furs and shit. but he has a lot of inspirational and motivaltional shit, you dont think he would or SHOULD want to be the face of rap in general? he now has to go against his morals and have his shows sponsored by liquor companies and beer brands something he chastised rakim for earlier.
he had a history of bad buisness dealings that began with mc serch owning some of nas publishing then falling in and out with steve stout etc. his mothers death, controversey and other shit have always stalled his career out at one point right before stillmatic he WAS THE RAPPER TO HATE.
like almost on some totally fell off over exposed mc hammer shit
nas albums that got shitted on critically
it was written: sold out, pop friendly
i am: weak compared to the version that leaked to the streets that would later become "the lost tapes" the bootleg was already in the streets when it came out it was a totally diff album although i still enjoyed it
nastradamus: dont get me started even though i love the shit he has w dame grease on there
gods son: personally i like this album about as much as nastrudamus so im the only one kind of panning this album i recall this getting high praise in magazines
hip hop is dead: a lil too ambitious at times. those stupid fucking voices on that one song.
nigger: i love this album critics gave it mixed reviews...got a lot of flack for doing the song to the will smith movie.
everything past thats been all love though...
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And of the 6 albums u listed 3 of em are great and 2 are dope... That's how legendary nas is. His worst shit would be most rappers best
And yea he had a phase of tryna b flashy, but that's not currently his overall image.
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if ur saying whose a better artist id say nas if your asking whose had a more fruitful career id say busta rhymes but i appreciate both rappers music but not new busta rhymes...i like him on cash money about as much as i liked nas on murder inc.
i didnt.
sorry i had to bring the murder inc thing up lol
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i remember "hate me now" being all over MTV...wasn't that the video with the crucified nas in it that got Steve Stout beat down?
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That's how legendary nas is. His worst shit would be most rappers best
Yes' sir
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And of the 6 albums u listed 3 of em are great and 2 are dope... That's how legendary nas is. His worst shit would be most rappers best
Boom!
I personally think Nigger could've been his best album. The song with Game and Chris Brown was misplaced, and some of the songs were too short (especially Louis Farrakhan - he was killing it too). But other than that, the concept and message was incredible.
Illmatic
Life is Good
Nigger
The Lost Tapes
Stillmatic
^ "muthafucka can you buy that"
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you think Life Is Good is better than I am and It WAs Written???!?!@??!?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@????!?@?!?@
:eh: x 100000000
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you think Life Is Good is better than I am and It WAs Written???!?!@??!?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@????!?@?!?@
:eh: x 100000000
I'd say it's better than I Am but definitely not It Was Written lol
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lol it was written isnt even that good it does have some really good joints but its got some duds too...i never liked street dreams...i viewed it as unnecessary when all eyez on me was a superior song released in the same year. if i ruled the world is still one of those songs that got played so much i got sick of it...there was a version of that song going around on a doo wop tape that didnt have lauren hill on it it just had nas doing his ad libs i liked it more.
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you think Life Is Good is better than I am and It WAs Written???!?!@??!?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@?!@????!?@?!?@
:eh: x 100000000
Yes I do.
Loco-Motive, Roses, Nasty, A Queens Story, Stay, Back When, You Wouldn't Understand, Reach Out. The album is fuckin incredible. It's been out over a year and I still play it probably once a week.
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lol it was written isnt even that good it does have some really good joints but its got some duds too...i never liked street dreams...i viewed it as unnecessary when all eyez on me was a superior song released in the same year. if i ruled the world is still one of those songs that got played so much i got sick of it...there was a version of that song going around on a doo wop tape that didnt have lauren hill on it it just had nas doing his ad libs i liked it more.
"it was written" isnt that good? lol...come on, p. maybe u dont like it personally, but u gotta respect it as a great album... shit is like nas's "doggfather"
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thats a great comparison because both of those artists lost their direction in there sophomore projects.
not bad albums by any means but way below the standards they set for themselves on the debut.
illmatic was 5 mics theres no way it was written deserves any more then 2.5 or a weak 3...it was over excessive shiny suit jiggy rap save for those few hard tracks on side 2.
the dre song sucks...i am (OG) > it was written
the firm sucked too outside of phone tap.
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thats a great comparison because both of those artists lost their direction in there sophomore projects.
not bad albums by any means but way below the standards they set for themselves on the debut.
illmatic was 5 mics theres no way it was written deserves any more then 2.5 or a weak 3...it was over excessive shiny suit jiggy rap save for those few hard tracks on side 2.
the dre song sucks...i am (OG) > it was written
the firm sucked too outside of phone tap.
2.5 for "it was written"?? godamn, u on that will scale lmao
my reasoning for the comparison was cuz theyre both great albums- near classics at the very least....but they were slept on and most were disappointed by em due to the fact that they went in a different direction and came with something that didnt quite mirror their debuts. but if u can look past that, theyre both great and i can still bump both albums till this very day.
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thats a great comparison because both of those artists lost their direction in there sophomore projects.
not bad albums by any means but way below the standards they set for themselves on the debut.
illmatic was 5 mics theres no way it was written deserves any more then 2.5 or a weak 3...it was over excessive shiny suit jiggy rap save for those few hard tracks on side 2.
the dre song sucks...i am (OG) > it was written
the firm sucked too outside of phone tap.
2.5 for "it was written"?? godamn, u on that will scale lmao
my reasoning for the comparison was cuz theyre both great albums- near classics at the very least....but they were slept on and most were disappointed by em due to the fact that they went in a different direction and came with something that didnt quite mirror their debuts. but if u can look past that, theyre both great and i can still bump both albums till this very day.
and im guessing illmatic is not amongst your personal favorites from nas right? that was the point....cross over appeal. to get the kids and the wc heads to cross over. thats the only reason he stole pacs beat for street dreams and had kci jojo on his shit etc.
somethings are just really dope in their pure form once record industry biz taints shit and fucks with your image and shit its hard to go back. so many rappers, singers and classic bands do this
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thats a great comparison because both of those artists lost their direction in there sophomore projects.
not bad albums by any means but way below the standards they set for themselves on the debut.
illmatic was 5 mics theres no way it was written deserves any more then 2.5 or a weak 3...it was over excessive shiny suit jiggy rap save for those few hard tracks on side 2.
the dre song sucks...i am (OG) > it was written
the firm sucked too outside of phone tap.
2.5 for "it was written"?? godamn, u on that will scale lmao
my reasoning for the comparison was cuz theyre both great albums- near classics at the very least....but they were slept on and most were disappointed by em due to the fact that they went in a different direction and came with something that didnt quite mirror their debuts. but if u can look past that, theyre both great and i can still bump both albums till this very day.
and im guessing illmatic is not amongst your personal favorites from nas right? that was the point....cross over appeal. to get the kids and the wc heads to cross over. thats the only reason he stole pacs beat for street dreams and had kci jojo on his shit etc.
somethings are just really dope in their pure form once record industry biz taints shit and fucks with your image and shit its hard to go back. so many rappers, singers and classic bands do this
naah, "ilmatic" is a 5 star classic to me...but "it was written" isnt as far behind as we initially thought.
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lol it was written isnt even that good it does have some really good joints but its got some duds too...i never liked street dreams...i viewed it as unnecessary when all eyez on me was a superior song released in the same year. if i ruled the world is still one of those songs that got played so much i got sick of it...there was a version of that song going around on a doo wop tape that didnt have lauren hill on it it just had nas doing his ad libs i liked it more.
i'll give you "Street dreams" being completely inferior to the song AEOM
but songs like Take it in Blood, The Message, If I Ruled.., Affirmative Action and Silent Murder are CLASSIC nas. it's a fucking shame Big Stretch died so early because both songs he made for Nas were amazing. You could tell Nas really wanted to be Pac by hooking up with Stretch lol
RIP Stretch.
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Busta's first album was classic to me, back in the day. Haven't heard it for a long time though.
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i dont know why its so hard to imagine nik really vibing to illmatic lol
but props i didnt think you really appreciated eastcoast rap like that.
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Busta's first album was classic to me, back in the day. Haven't heard it for a long time though.
Break it out bruh, throwbacks always sound good when you bring em out at random.
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i dont know why its so hard to imagine nik really vibing to illmatic lol
but props i didnt think you really appreciated eastcoast rap like that.
ur partially right, i did underrate it when i first heard it...and it's still not my preference of classic material out there. but ive always appreciated it as one of the greatest works of art in hip-hop history and still love every song on that album.
gimme dubee any day, tho
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i dont know why its so hard to imagine nik really vibing to illmatic lol
but props i didnt think you really appreciated eastcoast rap like that.
LOL it's hard to imagine the homie Sccit vibing to anything that's not horrorcore or west coast g-funk