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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: morbidenigma on November 27, 2007, 06:45:58 AM
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IMHO u can judge whether an album is a classic or not after one year..if ur still bumpin it .. and what songs u still have on rotation etc
so classic or not?how could it have been better? how can he make his 3rd album better?
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Very much a classic. I was bumping on ipods this morning while a watching a porno.
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classic? hmmmm no near classic? yes! solid album 4,5/5 in my opinion
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Naw, even though im a big Game fan i have to say no. The Documentary is def a classic but i wouldn't say Doctors Advocate though. For an album to be considered a classic it also have to make some sorta impact on the game or whatever you feel me.
Like Documentary had 2 instant classic tracks (How We Do, Hate It Or Love It) and then you had other dope tracks who can be considered classic by some (Start From Scratch, Dreams etc), and most importantly The Documentary sold like 5 million copies WW and 2.5 in the US and brought a huge spotlight back at the westcoast at that time, some artist were lucky enough to find that light in time (Bishop Lamont, Jay Rock, Glasses Malone etc) and unfortunately some were not.
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Naw, even though im a big Game fan i have to say no. The Documentary is def a classic but i wouldn't say Doctors Advocate though. For an album to be considered a classic it also have to make some sorta impact on the game or whatever you feel me.
Like Documentary had 2 instant classic tracks (How We Do, Hate It Or Love It) and then you had other dope tracks who can be considered classic by some (Start From Scratch, Dreams etc), and most importantly The Documentary sold like 5 million copies WW and 2.5 in the US and brought a huge spotlight back at the westcoast at that time, some artist were lucky enough to find that light in time (Bishop Lamont, Jay Rock, Glasses Malone etc) and unfortunately some were not.
real talk but you forgot to include put you in the game THATS A FUCKING CLASSIC ALSO but it's all good ! +1
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no and nor was the Documentary. You guys have way too loose criteria when it comes to judging a classic.
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I don't know if it iz a classic.....
But in my eyez iz da Doctor's Advocate iz way better than da Documentary album !!!!!
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Very much a classic. I was bumping on ipods this morning while a watching a porno.
Lol +1 for this ;D
IMO "DA" is the best westcoast records for years. The only whack track is "Scream On Em". Game comes with some tight lines but the beat is :puke: And I never feel that "Bang" joint a lot. It´s O.K. but I was expecting more about a Game/DPG collabo. All the other tracks are fucking tight. From the beginning Game comes with some straight westcoast shit ("Lookin At You ", "Remedy"). The following tracks are cool too ("Too Much", "Wouldn´t Get Far") but the highlights of the record are "One Night", "Doctor´s Advocate" and "Ol´English". Love it when Game is on some real talk shit. The rest of the album is nice too.
Overall I would give it a 4,5/5
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not a classic. some good joints though non the less, i still enjoy listening to "Lookin At You", "One Night" and "Olde English" but there were several songs that let the album down, "Scream On Em" and "Da Shit" for example. I also didnt like the excessive use of "Nigga" in "Compton"..
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I was just thinking about this yesterday and I realised, despite what everybody said, Game still needs Dre & 50. Peep game:
Docotr's Advocate is a dope album, top 5 of 06 for sure. But it didn't have any hits. Just imagine Wouldn't Get Far, Bang and Around The World being replaced by 3 Dre produced bangers with 50 on the chours or just him ghostwriting it. Those 3 cuts could've taken the album over the top, because lets face it, despite all the good reviews DA got, it came and was forgotten quickly. Game makes great album cuts but fails to create a hit; Wouldn't Get Far, Let's Ride and Too Much all sound pretty akward, like he was trying too hard.
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^^^ I agree, # produced Dr Dre songs and maybe one with Fif on the hook would of been great.
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Both albums are very very good, but not classics...
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Fuck no!!! I like Game alot but none of his CD's are classics or even near it. I mean compare his 2 albums to any other album that is really in almost everyone's eyes a classic & you'll see what I mean. Anyways, DA>>>TD so yeah, Game doesn't need 50 or Dre.
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Classic 8)
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Not classic, but a very solid album.
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no and nor was the Documentary. You guys have way too loose criteria when it comes to judging a classic.
Cmon homie, Documentary is DEF a westcoast classic what are you talkin about? ;D
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Not a classic, but a damn good album. Still bumping it to this day, but can't really solidly call this a classic. TD was closer, but still not a classic tho.
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classic? hmmmm no near classic? yes! solid album 4,5/5 in my opinion
agreed i hadnt listened to it in awhile but just put it back in last week and realized howw good it was
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game dont need dre and 50 to make a classic in my oppinion. he needs to stop name mentioning and step up his lyrics, or atleast find someone to ghostwrite his shit. people are fed up with rimes like aghhrrrrr im angry, fuck 50 cent and g unit, its still afermath, dre is my father, eazy is my stepdad, blood is blood, uncle snoop, big pac, poppa, aftermath afterthat.
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some of y'all speakin some shit....1st off neither record is crazy....these days niggaz be givin out classics and 4 mics to every release...like everytime gunit drops a wack album...."its got some nice beats...some filler....errr thats a 4/5 album"
this album is bangin and so was documentary, some of the best shit to be dropped in mainstream sense for a long ass time....but neither are classic....
about dre needing dre and 50?.....sayyyy what..........nigga dropped one blood which was a huge hit without either and would have had more hits should he have relased the westside joint with xzibit and snoop.......
the album is heated and is a solid 4/5...possibly slightly more album....just like documentary....and whilst documentary does have bigger hits....game is twice the rapper on this than when he came out on documentary....
game need 50 or dre........noo...........would game be better off with dre....hell yea.......with 50? fuck naa.....
game has surpassed 50 as a rapper for more than a minute now whether u wanna mention all the name dropping or not, nigga comes straight on records and is dropping heat.....whats 50 come out on since grodt.....massacre?lmao....that shit was a joke....curtis? lmao...again that shit was a joke, he tried comin hard this time around but the fuck was the end product....50 aint spit some shit that made me go whoa in a long ass time....true story
game aint nuttin special as a rapper either but atleast his hungry, his come out with two bangin album...both off the hook and they the only shit he got out, so his record is straight clean so far...what more a nigga want?
pz
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some of y'all speakin some shit....1st off neither record is crazy....these days niggaz be givin out classics and 4 mics to every release...like everytime gunit drops a wack album...."its got some nice beats...some filler....errr thats a 4/5 album"
this album is bangin and so was documentary, some of the best shit to be dropped in mainstream sense for a long ass time....but neither are classic....
about dre needing dre and 50?.....sayyyy what..........nigga dropped one blood which was a huge hit without either and would have had more hits should he have relased the westside joint with xzibit and snoop.......
the album is heated and is a solid 4/5...possibly slightly more album....just like documentary....and whilst documentary does have bigger hits....game is twice the rapper on this than when he came out on documentary....
game need 50 or dre........noo...........would game be better off with dre....hell yea.......with 50? fuck naa.....
game has surpassed 50 as a rapper for more than a minute now whether u wanna mention all the name dropping or not, nigga comes straight on records and is dropping heat.....whats 50 come out on since grodt.....massacre?lmao....that shit was a joke....curtis? lmao...again that shit was a joke, he tried comin hard this time around but the fuck was the end product....50 aint spit some shit that made me go whoa in a long ass time....true story
game aint nuttin special as a rapper either but atleast his hungry, his come out with two bangin album...both off the hook and they the only shit he got out, so his record is straight clean so far...what more a nigga want?
pz
Yeah but remember Game been rappin since like 01, 02 or sum like dat and look how much he has improved. Thats what i like alot bout dude, u never know what to except cuz he keeps improvin after each track real talk. But on the other hand, his problem IMO is that he is a bit inconsistent on tracks cuz some times he comes of lazy with the lyrics, the flow etc on tracks.
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To me, The Documentary was more a classic than Doctor's Advocate! So the answer is no!
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One Blood wasn't A hit. It was a hood hit or however you wanna call it but it didn't to anything speical on Billboard (it peaked at 71 on top 100). Lte's say it was like Jim Jones "Ballin" (altought that one did peak at nb.1). The best way to recognize a true worldwide hit is to ask your non rap fans friends if they know a song. When "How We Do" and "Hate It Or Love It" were poppin off they all knew the song, if I ask them about "One Blood", they're like "One what ?"
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One Blood wasn't A hit. It was a hood hit or however you wanna call it but it didn't to anything speical on Billboard (it peaked at 71 on top 100). Lte's say it was like Jim Jones "Ballin" (altought that one did peak at nb.1). The best way to recognize a true worldwide hit is to ask your non rap fans friends if they know a song. When "How We Do" and "Hate It Or Love It" were poppin off they all knew the song, if I ask them about "One Blood", they're like "One what ?"
I know what you're sayin homie and i agree, but One Blood was kinda catchy so people do know
that one.
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^if i asked an average girl at my school (east coast chick, probably knows basic mainstream stuff), im pretty sure shed have no clue what one blood was. on the other hand, if i asked what how we do was, she'd probably start singing this-is, how-we, dooo.
just sayin..
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he hasnt made a classic. just cuz he seys dre in every other sentence doesnt make his shit classic. those albums are good, but far from classic. you would say the documentary is on tupac, nas, and biggie's level? naww maynee :nawty:
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he hasnt made a classic. just cuz he seys dre in every other sentence doesnt make his shit classic. those albums are good, but far from classic. you would say the documentary is on tupac, nas, and biggie's level? naww maynee :nawty:
Naw but its a WESTCOAST classic. Just like Get Rich Or Die Tryin is a Eastcoast classic.
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^if i asked an average girl at my school (east coast chick, probably knows basic mainstream stuff), im pretty sure shed have no clue what one blood was. on the other hand, if i asked what how we do was, she'd probably start singing this-is, how-we, dooo.
just sayin..
Cmon homie, naaaaw i bet u she would know. Especially since the track is catchy with Junior Reed singin "bloood bloood blooood".
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there'd be a couple who'd know whats up, but i think the majority would unfortunately not.
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He's my favorite rapper but neither of his albums are classics in my eyes cause he had them gay ass love songs on The Documentary if he would've cut out Special, No More Fun N Games & We Ain't feat Eminem then i would say its a classic. I think Doctors Advocate is closer to a classic than The Documentary cause the only song that i skip is that bullshit with Jamie Foxx. But I think needs Dre..... not 50
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Hell yah its a classic!!!
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Tight album, not a classic though
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when it dropped I thought it was classic but in retrospect its because I hadnt really heard anything else last year that I liked...now that I go back and bump it I think I over rated it...one classic track from games first album that always gets omited is dreams with kanye on the track that was easily the best track on the album...that and higher.
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Yeah a defanite classic way better than curtis
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Yeah a defanite classic way better than curtis
Ur an intelligent man...::). JP homie 8)
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he hasnt made a classic. just cuz he seys dre in every other sentence doesnt make his shit classic. those albums are good, but far from classic. you would say the documentary is on tupac, nas, and biggie's level? naww maynee :nawty:
Naw but its a WESTCOAST classic. Just like Get Rich Or Die Tryin is a Eastcoast classic.
yea, i'll prolly give you the westcoast classic homie.
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If people are this easy with judging classics, classic album are made throughout the entire year..
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don't bump it that much anymore but its still a dope album not classic though
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yeah man,
i think documentary can be considered a national classic.
But i think DA is more of a westcoast classic. Like those warren g albums or those dj quick albums,
where everybody says their dope, but mostly the west considers them classic.
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^So you consider 2001 and the Documentary the same quality??
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i said this album was a classic as soon as it came out and i still feel the same way about it i think it's waaaaaay better than the DOC because it's more consistent throughout better songs although the DOC had more touching songs and my fav song from him "RUNNIN"
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i said this album was a classic as soon as it came out and i still feel the same way about it i think it's waaaaaay better than the DOC because it's more consistent throughout better songs although the DOC had more touching songs and my fav song from him "RUNNIN"
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No way. I actually thought it was a solid 4/5 album...but we need to stop throwin out the word classic for any album we personally like.
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no and nor was the Documentary. You guys have way too loose criteria when it comes to judging a classic.
exactly people use the term classic way too much, it seems to be used if people like a couple of songs on the album.
To me a classic album is something u can listen to front to back without skipping and have done hundreds of time.
Doctors Advocate aint a classic and nor is documentary but documentary is better than doctors advocate.
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no.
never will be either.
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no and nor was the Documentary. You guys have way too loose criteria when it comes to judging a classic.
its called what u consider a classic not wat the world thinks is an opinion..sorry no one can agree on everything...its opne of my fav albums and imo is a classic ..still bump it
just cus i dont think that biggies shit is a classic dont make it a classic to u so i mean, u sayi shit aintgunan change my opinion...ppl jsut go too much but by what other ppl think..i judge classics by waht i can keep listening too over again not by what ppl on the internet say
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HAHAHAHA
I'm a big Game fan and I think the album is good but a classic!?!?!? Get the fuck out of here.
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I Like games Material, but something about his music makes me put it away and not listen to again.
I mean I like his music, But It losses it replay Value for me after like the first Month of it's release.
I have not played either album since their release, and breifly brought out Doctors Advocate a couple months back
when those track's Like "My Bitch" ect dropped.
But something about Game makes me put him albums on the shelf real quick.
(Granted they on the same Shelf Space with my Pac's & Snoops ect..)
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I Like games Material, but something about his music makes me put it away and not listen to again.
I mean I like his music, But It losses it replay Value for me after like the first Month of it's release.
I have not played either album since their release, and breifly brought out Doctors Advocate a couple months back
when those track's Like "My Bitch" ect dropped.
But something about Game makes me put him albums on the shelf real quick.
(Granted they on the same Shelf Space with my Pac's & Snoops ect..)
I could listen to California Vacation everyday 8)
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no and nor was the Documentary. You guys have way too loose criteria when it comes to judging a classic.
its called what u consider a classic not wat the world thinks is an opinion..sorry no one can agree on everything...its opne of my fav albums and imo is a classic ..still bump it
just cus i dont think that biggies shit is a classic dont make it a classic to u so i mean, u sayi shit aintgunan change my opinion...ppl jsut go too much but by what other ppl think..i judge classics by waht i can keep listening too over again not by what ppl on the internet say
the topic asks if it is a classic, not who considers it a classic. But then again, if you consider this a classic, I'd like to know about your criteria for a classic album...
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People use the term "classic" too lightly these days. DA was a good album but does it stand next to the likes of "Illmatic" or "The Chronic"? 'Cause those to, for example, are "classics".
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I don't think it's anywhere near classic status, i skip tons of songs on that album, mostly because Game, as good as his lyrics are, to me dude has no personality, he just name drops whatevers hot at the moment and thats it.
Fav songs
California vacation
Ole English
One Night
Compton
Production on this album is amazing though........i give it a weak 4/5
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Thiss Album Was Off Tha Chain Like A Runaway Slave...
Itz Too Early To Consider Classic In My Eyez... In Time Tho....
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game sounded to amateurish on documentary DA>Documentary imo
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Game needs to fuckin realize that people are gettin tired of him mentionin Dre and all that everytime. I mean i thought it was cool on the Documentary cuz that was his first album, like his introduction.
He needs to fuckin realize that people aren't gonna support every type of music he does. And dont get it wrong, same goes for 50, Wayne and all of em. Its like he and 50 just puts out music with a lazy effort and just expects everybody to buy it like that. But when it comes to his mixtape shit he gets crazy.
Im a big Game fan but he gotta realize it.
He needs to get over Dre and all that 6-4 shit and spit like he does on his mixtape and then its a wrap. He gon shut it all down.
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People use the term "classic" too lightly these days. DA was a good album but does it stand next to the likes of "Illmatic" or "The Chronic"? 'Cause those to, for example, are "classics".
Exactly...