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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Javier on January 22, 2006, 11:16:08 AM
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Great trade for both teams, IMO.
With the return of Theo Epstein all but formalized, the Red Sox now appear on the verge of concluding a heretofore tumultuous offseason by acquiring both center fielder Coco Crisp and shortstop Alex Gonzalez.
And not a moment too soon.
According to baseball sources, the Red Sox and Cleveland Indians have agreed in principle on a deal that will bring outfielder Crisp to the Sox in a multi-player trade. The deal was agreed upon several days ago under the condition that Cleveland be able to acquire another outfielder to replace Crisp, presumably Jason Michaels from the Philadelphia Phillies.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=122417&format=text
Andy Marte will soon replace Aaron Boone as the Indians 3B. So now the Indians are either Average or Well Above Average in EVERY Fieliding Position.
And the Red Sox now have a player that will outproduce Johnny Damon for years to come in Coco Crisp.
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good deal for the sox but they are still going to have a hard time winning this upcoming season especially against what the Yankees got now >:(
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good deal for the sox but they are still going to have a hard time winning this upcoming season especially against what the Yankees got now >:(
yanks aint winning shit this year
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Well the Sox arent as bad as some people make them seem to be.
C-Varitek is Varitek
1B-Snow/Youkilis platoon (Although just having Youkilis as an everyday player would be better, this is still good), way better than Kevin Millar
2B-Mark Loretta- way better than what they had last year at 2B with Cora/Graffiano/Bellhorn
SS-Alex Gonzales- downgrade offensively from Renteria, but upgrade defnsively
3B-Mike Lowell- Bounce Back season and will easily outproduce Bill Mueller
LF- Manny is Manny
CF- Coco Crisp- Will produce better than Damon
RF- Nixon is Nixon
DH- Ortiz is Ortiz
And their bullpen/rotation is the same, they just added Tavarez to the mix which will improve their team.
I definately can see this team score more than 910 Runs. The key is Mike Lowell. Mike Lowell will be the factor from either More than 910 Runs or less than 910 Runs.
And the biggest threat in the AL East is really the Blue Jays (especially if they sign Bengie Molina) I still see the AL East as a three team race though, pretty tight race too
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they need to have Youkilis start at 1st base over JT Snow
Red Sox always seem to have a crappy player at second base but Loretta is way better than what theyve had recently
Nixon is good when he wants to be
Hopefully Manny won't be gone this year
other than that theres not much of a problem for the Sox
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they need to have Youkilis start at 1st base over JT Snow
Completely agree. Snow aint shit without his roids
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they need to have Youkilis start at 1st base over JT Snow
Completely agree. Snow aint shit without his roids
when was jt snow on the juice, he has hit 20 homeruns in a season since 1999 and he was never a big power threat, he had a few nice seasons but nothing to ever suspect steroids.
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Well the Sox arent as bad as some people make them seem to be.
C-Varitek is Varitek
1B-Snow/Youkilis platoon (Although just having Youkilis as an everyday player would be better, this is still good), way better than Kevin Millar
2B-Mark Loretta- way better than what they had last year at 2B with Cora/Graffiano/Bellhorn
SS-Alex Gonzales- downgrade offensively from Renteria, but upgrade defnsively
3B-Mike Lowell- Bounce Back season and will easily outproduce Bill Mueller
LF- Manny is Manny
CF- Coco Crisp- Will produce better than Damon
RF- Nixon is Nixon
DH- Ortiz is Ortiz
And their bullpen/rotation is the same, they just added Tavarez to the mix which will improve their team.
I definately can see this team score more than 910 Runs. The key is Mike Lowell. Mike Lowell will be the factor from either More than 910 Runs or less than 910 Runs.
And the biggest threat in the AL East is really the Blue Jays (especially if they sign Bengie Molina) I still see the AL East as a three team race though, pretty tight race too
i wouldnt put any money on lowell having a bounce back season. Granted hes in a hitters ball park i still dont see happening
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SLG from 1998-2005
Ages 30-37
98- 435
99- 455
00- 464
01- 393
02- 383
03- 428
04- 519
05- 368
His most productive season as a 36 year old is pretty fishy to me, then to see a huge dropoff the year after there is testing. Hmm.
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SLG from 1998-2005
Ages 30-37
98- 435
99- 455
00- 464
01- 393
02- 383
03- 428
04- 519
05- 368
His most productive season as a 36 year old is pretty fishy to me, then to see a huge dropoff the year after there is testing. Hmm.
i could understand if he was a ehhh player and then had a few good season an then dropped off again but it was one season. fluke seasons do happen. And i have never ever heard anyone accuse jt snow of steroids.
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good deal for the sox but they are still going to have a hard time winning this upcoming season especially against what the Yankees got now >:(
yanks aint winning shit this year
thats what the haters say every year :D..and every year we win the division 8)
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good deal for the sox. and on the yankees, johnny damon used to be a humble guy, aint get ahead of himself, thas one of the reasons he was so good: he was mentally sound. now hes a cocky mutherfucka ("im the best leadoff hitter in the game"- sportscenter inteverview on his new deal), and hes gonna fall off fast cus hes not focused anymore like he used to be. just watch.
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good deal for the sox. and on the yankees, johnny damon used to be a humble guy, aint get ahead of himself, thas one of the reasons he was so good: he was mentally sound. now hes a cocky mutherfucka ("im the best leadoff hitter in the game"- sportscenter inteverview on his new deal), and hes gonna fall off fast cus hes not focused anymore like he used to be. just watch.
So? The Yankees are STILL going to make the playoffs with a sub-par Damon. Most Yankees hope he fucks up ;D
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ive heard marte has a really fucked up arm, any more info on that.
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if the sox trade marte, i am gonna kill me about 8 people.
marte is the next best thing.
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Hes ok but id like to see him active for a whole season in the mlb before i can say hes that good.
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Andy Marte is expected to hit 255/350/459 if he were to stay with the Red Sox. Even if he does go to the Indiands, I wouldnt be shocked if Marte puts up better numbers than Lowell. He will definately at least be an average 3B. Productive Center Fielders like Crisp are much harder to find in the FA market than above average 3B.
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Andy Marte is expected to hit 255/350/459 if he were to stay with the Red Sox. Even if he does go to the Indiands, I wouldnt be shocked if Marte puts up better numbers than Lowell. He will definately at least be an average 3B. Productive Center Fielders like Crisp are much harder to find in the FA market than above average 3B.
marte will develop into a superstar, mark my words. this is a terrible trade. crisp is a below average cf. i'd rather develop marte in cf than get crisp for christ's sake. we can't mortgage our future anymore.
hanley ramirez is gonna bite us in the ass.
shilling was a red sox in 87
we had bagwell and brady anderson too, and traded them for mike boddiker.
the one good trade i can think of, besides dumping mrs. nomar hamm, was the slocumb for lowe and varitek
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lol @ mrs. nomar hamm
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The Indians will detsroy shit!
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How is Coco Crisp a below average CF? If that's the case then the Yankees have an even worse CF lol
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This trade is bullshit. I am tired of teams like Cleveland and Oakland developing tons of young talent only to have to trade them once they get good in order to save money. The Red Sox already stole Manny Ramirez from us, now they got Coco too. Fuck them, they can't develop their own players so they have to raid small market teams.
I don't care what the experts say about Andy Marte, you don't trade young, proven players for unproven players.
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This trade is bullshit. I am tired of teams like Cleveland and Oakland developing tons of young talent only to have to trade them once they get good in order to save money. The Red Sox already stole Manny Ramirez from us, now they got Coco too. Fuck them, they can't develop their own players so they have to raid small market teams.
I don't care what the experts say about Andy Marte, you don't trade young, proven players for unproven players.
Your Indians biggest weakness on the field is the 3B position. Having Marte will solve this problem for years to come. CF is already locked with Grady Sizemore who is a way better player than Crisp. The deal hasnt gone through anyway because of Mota's physical. Your team will also be getting Jason Michaels to cover LF.
Dubois/Michaels-Sizemore-Blake/Michaels OF is solid. Come on man, your GM is setting up good players up and down the lineup. Marte without a doubt will be better than aaron fucking boone. Just because prospects are "unproven" doesnt mean they are worthless.
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The Indians won 90 plus games last year. If we were in the National league we would have made playoffs. This team is ready to win NOW. But now we traded Coco for a guy (Marte) who is not ready for the major leagues. They said he will start the year in Triple A. Now I guess we can pretty much forget about competiting this year.
Baseball needs a salary cap because I am sick of this shit.....
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lol losing Crisp is not that big of a hit. Coco Crispt is not a key part for the Indians to win this year, by adding Michaels you will hardly notice Plus your team will be having improving years in a shitload of positions, especially in 2006 MVP Candidate Hafner. Marte will definately be called up after he'll tear it up in AAA and especiall when boone starts hurting your lineup.
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How is Coco Crisp a below average CF? If that's the case then the Yankees have an even worse CF lol
Coco aint really good =/
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Coco Crisp 2005 Line: 300/345/465 .810OPS
Johnny Damon 2005 Line: 316/366/439 .805OPS
Also, Damon played half his games at Fenway which is an easier place to hit Doubles and Triples vs where Crisp played. And Crisp is 7 years younger than Damon. Crisp will easily have a better year than Damon next year ;)
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Coco Crisp 2005 Line: 300/345/465 .810OPS
Johnny Damon 2005 Line: 316/366/439 .805OPS
Also, Damon played half his games at Fenway which is an easier place to hit Doubles and Triples vs where Crisp played. And Crisp is 7 years younger than Damon. Crisp will easily have a better year than Damon next year ;)
bro i respect your knowledge on the game but you look into the stats too much. sometimes you just gotta watch the game
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Stats do not lie. Your eyes can be misleading. And come on, Crisp is younger is already putting up similiar stats, hes expected to improve while Damon is not
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Stats do not lie. Your eyes can be misleading. And come on, Crisp is younger is already putting up similiar stats, hes expected to improve while Damon is not
actually stats are misleading an its why you have to watch the game. And Crisp is still not better then damon, hes gettin there but he isnt damon yet.
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Last year he was. None of actually see every inning out of every ball player in the MLB. Those stats are waht both players produced last year, there's nothing misleading about it
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Look at the Indians Starting Lineup if the trade goes through. It's fucking sick. Only fools would not say this is a AL central champs candidate
C- Victor Martinez - Way Above Average
1B- Ben Broussard/Eduardo Perez platoon- Above Average
2B- Ron Belliard- Above Average
SS- Jhonny Peralta- Way Above Average
3B- Only position they suck at, but will have help for years to come with Andy Marte
OF- Jason Michaels- Average
OF- Grady Sizemore- Way Above Average
RF- Casey Blake- Average
DH- Travis Hafner- Way Above Average
Shit, then in a few years they will get help for the Corner OF from Brad Snyder.