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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on February 08, 2006, 02:05:44 PM
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yo so i was checkin 2001 today and i realised that damn, he gon have to pull something special out to top this, i aint even gonna compare to chronic! but for real, joints he makes today are sick like how we do, in da club, start from scratch, oh an so on.......but damn, the funk on 2001 was crazy! he had mad shit going on in his beat and it still sounded clean but you could also smoke 2, he style has changed crazy since then! compare start from scratch to forgot about dre, next episode to how we do and so on, his new joints are sick, but i mean his even gon nhave to take them up 2 levels just to top 2001! i bet the nigga get scared everytime someone mentions detox to him!
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You shouldn't compare songs he produced for other people last year to his own shit 7 years ago. I know that's the only way we can measure his change/talent since he never releases shit, but it's not really accurate. But of course he can do better then 2001. Is he going to? That remains to be seen.
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yeah dre to slow with beats, i hope this means his in the studio just doing detox constantly......what was the last dre beats that we heard apart from grodt ost cuz they originally meant for massacre
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all i know is that a dre cd is a dre cd and we going to get a good cd
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theres no doubt it my mind that "Detox" will be better than "2001"
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last dre beats i heard were not very tight so i dont know, hip hop ain't good as it used to be back in 1999 so i think he wont be able tu pull up something that good. plus he is working with kanye west and just blaze scott storch who don'T make very good beats in my opinion. It will sound like the documentary probably. Better than other shit we can hear in 2006 but not as good as 1999 shit. A lot of producers like rza primo and dj quik are not as good as they used to be :(
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wheres the:
"dr dre is the best producer ever and i dont doubt him and i shouldn't even be looking at this thread but i am so i chose this one"
option?
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theres no doubt it my mind that "Detox" will be better than "2001"
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whether he can or whether he will are 2 very different things, but i voted "no doubt" - meaning yes he can top it.
my only concern is that he will never try because of fear that people will say he "fell off" because it won't match his previous 2 releases.
and for that reason he may just be content with his 2 major releases and their success.
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There's no doubt whether or not he can - of course he can. The question is will he succeed doing it.
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The beats I'm not too worried about. He will keep his best beats for himself and if he wants to come out with a new sound he's not going to let that leak so Detox will be fresh and new. My main concern right now is the vibe/direction. It will be solid but I don't know if it'll have that same impact as the Chronic and 2001.
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The beats I'm not too worried about. He will keep his best beats for himself and if he wants to come out with a new sound he's not going to let that leak so Detox will be fresh and new. My main concern right now is the vibe/direction. It will be solid but I don't know if it'll have that same impact as the Chronic and 2001.
well i think its just because everyone knows and expects this shit to be Banging.... i mean it had been a while since he dropped an album and everyone was claiming he fell off and so forth so when he came out he came out with a bang i dont think very many people were expecting it. so thats why it was so good in a sense... but i expect detox to be on the same point as 2001 if not better but it just might not have the same hype... because everyone is expecting a banging album
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Yeah....I mean, if he puts the effort into it, I am sure he can match it and maybe top it, even though it's going to have a completely different sound and many people who favor the 2001 sound won't like it as much.
But if you look at the history, you can at least predict the sound of this album.
Between NWA and Chronic - He moved from just having hella random samples together with heavy drums, to having songs with funk samples like on "Always into sumthin" and he got more into the funk sound, and that's what he ended up usin for Chronic and Doggystyle.
Between Chronic and 2001 - He evolved from havin the strong funk sound he had on Chronic, to havin songs that sounded similar but a bit diff like on "Can't C me" and "California love" to havin darker sounds that still had similar instruments but a different vibe. He started usin more east coast elements which made the beats darker, but it still had that west coast base to it as far as the basslines and high pitched synths. Listenin to beats on The Firm and "Been there done that" let it be known that his sound was gettin darker. On 2001, he still had a funk base to many of his songs, but it was definitely a lot darker.
Between 2001 and now - His sound has become more and more dark, and even though he has some more uptempo, "happier" beats like "How we do", most of his beats sound darker than before, never use high pitched synths, and barely use basslines anymore. You could tell he was changin it up around "Family affair" and just comparin "The Watcher 2" to the original showed the difference in his sound...took the high pitched synths out to replace em with symphonic strings and that "James Bond" guitar, and took the bassline out to where the bass just moved around and kinda filled the beat in versus being the base of the song. In da club was definitely a darker beat, where there was a bassline but it was more to fill in the beat and help the melody. His tracks like "Higher" "Outta control" "Start from scratch" just have a much more cinematic feel than his older beats, and the basslines are just there to support the beat.
So seein that....I will bet that there will be too many songs, if any, where the bassline is the main part of the beat, and most of it will have a cinematic feel to it, even the club tracks. Most people on the east coast will love this style, but many people on the west will feel that it doesn't have that "west coast sound" to it, which may be good for the future because our sound will probably start to evolve more depending on this album. You know Dre albums always set the tone for what west coast producers are doing.
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Mannn I dont even want Detox to come out cuz Im just now figuring out how to make Dre type beats now, When this shit drops imma have to start alllll over and step my game up AGAIN :-\
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voted he can match it at most.
theres no way it will be topped imo. The guest spots will be nowhere near wot 2001 offered, would be sick if we got beats that even come close to the Still D.R.Es, Xxplosives, etc. Mel-Man wont be working on it? or will he I dont know. But I just dont c Detox coming close to 2001, but then again if its another 5/5 flawless classick it wouldnt suprise me neitha
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I think Dre can top 2001 without a doubt, 2001 is a great album but is in no way flawless. If Dre was to top The Chronic that would be something else but I think this is quite impossible.
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Yeah....I mean, if he puts the effort into it, I am sure he can match it and maybe top it, even though it's going to have a completely different sound and many people who favor the 2001 sound won't like it as much.
But if you look at the history, you can at least predict the sound of this album.
Between NWA and Chronic - He moved from just having hella random samples together with heavy drums, to having songs with funk samples like on "Always into sumthin" and he got more into the funk sound, and that's what he ended up usin for Chronic and Doggystyle.
Between Chronic and 2001 - He evolved from havin the strong funk sound he had on Chronic, to havin songs that sounded similar but a bit diff like on "Can't C me" and "California love" to havin darker sounds that still had similar instruments but a different vibe. He started usin more east coast elements which made the beats darker, but it still had that west coast base to it as far as the basslines and high pitched synths. Listenin to beats on The Firm and "Been there done that" let it be known that his sound was gettin darker. On 2001, he still had a funk base to many of his songs, but it was definitely a lot darker.
Between 2001 and now - His sound has become more and more dark, and even though he has some more uptempo, "happier" beats like "How we do", most of his beats sound darker than before, never use high pitched synths, and barely use basslines anymore. You could tell he was changin it up around "Family affair" and just comparin "The Watcher 2" to the original showed the difference in his sound...took the high pitched synths out to replace em with symphonic strings and that "James Bond" guitar, and took the bassline out to where the bass just moved around and kinda filled the beat in versus being the base of the song. In da club was definitely a darker beat, where there was a bassline but it was more to fill in the beat and help the melody. His tracks like "Higher" "Outta control" "Start from scratch" just have a much more cinematic feel than his older beats, and the basslines are just there to support the beat.
So seein that....I will bet that there will be too many songs, if any, where the bassline is the main part of the beat, and most of it will have a cinematic feel to it, even the club tracks. Most people on the east coast will love this style, but many people on the west will feel that it doesn't have that "west coast sound" to it, which may be good for the future because our sound will probably start to evolve more depending on this album. You know Dre albums always set the tone for what west coast producers are doing.
Nice and logic observations.Voted for NO DOUBT
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I don't think it's a matter so much about beats and different styles because we should already know the beats will be bangin like nothing else out there no matter what has changed style wise....I think the key will be the chemistry in the lab with so many new producers and artists...Chronic was awesome because of the chemistry with the Dogg Pound, Rage, RBX, of course Snoop, Colin Wolfe, etc....2001 of course had Hittman, Melman, Mike Elizondo, Em, etc.......I remember reading how much fun those guys had making the Chronic even though most of them were BROKE. In both cases, there was so much loyalty to Dre and all the artists wanted to make Dre look and sound good and also put themselves out there....I'm not sure this will be the case this time and there are so many questions like: Will 50 and Game both be a part of the project?? Will G-Unit and D-12 be as loyal to Dre as the Dogg Pound and Hittman were?? I do think that Biship Lamont and Stat Quo will add a new freshness to the project just like Hittman did to 2001. ONe of the biggest challenges for Dre will be who to weed/leave out because every artist on G-Unit, Shady and Aftermath will want a piece of the pie....I also think that just like with 2001, Scott Storch whether you like him or not (I think he is dope) will have a major impact production wise. I think Dre will figure all of this out and make another classic even though it may not sell as much as 2001.
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Went for could be 'as good' at best.
2001 is one of my favourite albums and i just don't reckon he can top it.Yeah....I mean, if he puts the effort into it, I am sure he can match it and maybe top it, even though it's going to have a completely different sound and many people who favor the 2001 sound won't like it as much.
But if you look at the history, you can at least predict the sound of this album.
Between NWA and Chronic - He moved from just having hella random samples together with heavy drums, to having songs with funk samples like on "Always into sumthin" and he got more into the funk sound, and that's what he ended up usin for Chronic and Doggystyle.
Between Chronic and 2001 - He evolved from havin the strong funk sound he had on Chronic, to havin songs that sounded similar but a bit diff like on "Can't C me" and "California love" to havin darker sounds that still had similar instruments but a different vibe. He started usin more east coast elements which made the beats darker, but it still had that west coast base to it as far as the basslines and high pitched synths. Listenin to beats on The Firm and "Been there done that" let it be known that his sound was gettin darker. On 2001, he still had a funk base to many of his songs, but it was definitely a lot darker.
Between 2001 and now - His sound has become more and more dark, and even though he has some more uptempo, "happier" beats like "How we do", most of his beats sound darker than before, never use high pitched synths, and barely use basslines anymore. You could tell he was changin it up around "Family affair" and just comparin "The Watcher 2" to the original showed the difference in his sound...took the high pitched synths out to replace em with symphonic strings and that "James Bond" guitar, and took the bassline out to where the bass just moved around and kinda filled the beat in versus being the base of the song. In da club was definitely a darker beat, where there was a bassline but it was more to fill in the beat and help the melody. His tracks like "Higher" "Outta control" "Start from scratch" just have a much more cinematic feel than his older beats, and the basslines are just there to support the beat.
So seein that....I will bet that there will be too many songs, if any, where the bassline is the main part of the beat, and most of it will have a cinematic feel to it, even the club tracks. Most people on the east coast will love this style, but many people on the west will feel that it doesn't have that "west coast sound" to it, which may be good for the future because our sound will probably start to evolve more depending on this album. You know Dre albums always set the tone for what west coast producers are doing.
Pretty much
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i think he can do whtever he wants, will it top 2001 who knows, can it , yes
my guess is it wont tho
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there is no way thet the new release can be better than 2001...
i`m sure that we will get a good cd with propably 12 good tracks out of 17
something like that
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voted he can match it at most.
theres no way it will be topped imo. The guest spots will be nowhere near wot 2001 offered, would be sick if we got beats that even come close to the Still D.R.Es, Xxplosives, etc. Mel-Man wont be working on it? or will he I dont know. But I just dont c Detox coming close to 2001, but then again if its another 5/5 flawless classick it wouldnt suprise me neitha
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no. especially with the line up i supposely saw on the cd. fuckin g-unit all over the place, same with mike jones. he needs to bring that westcoast funk on this album
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I think he can top it and even if he doesn't ppl are still going to buy it
I heard Dj Quik is doing some beats for him not sure if its true or no tho
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Dre's recent beats are tight, I got no complaints about his latest productions. One of the joints that rarely gets mentioned is 50's "Talk About Me". That instrumental is very dope. There's alotta shit going on in that beat if you listen close.
He'll definitely top "2001" if he drops crazy beats and pushes all the guests to their best potential. I read somewhere that Dre doesn't even consider "2001" to be a masterpiece, so taking that into consideration...one's gotta wonder how hard he's working on this album. If and when this record gets released, it'll be classic before we even press play, just because of the build-up.
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well in my opinion i think dre can do better than 2001 because as time goes by he gets better at what he does and the beats he uses 4 other rappers whether they good or not dont really matter cuz he makes all his beats to fit the style of the rapper so his beats r gonna match his own style but thats the thing. how good is he lyricly? he can have bomb ass beats but if his flow is wack on the beat the song would be weak but then again he could be like a super krazy lyricist now too lol 8)
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i think he can, i think his beats are still pretty damn tight. the beat for the "outta control remix" is fuckin dope. one of the best beats i've ever heard top 10 easily in my book. so there's no doubt the beats on the album will be dope. i think he still has a lot left in him.