West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on March 20, 2006, 09:13:55 PM
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What do you think?
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
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I voted yea but I don't think he brought it all the way back. I will say that he brought some attetion back to the West Coast.
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I voted yea but I don't think he brought it all the way back. I will say that he brought some attetion back to the West Coast.
Basically.
Game got a lil help from 50. Snoop got back in the picture with the PIMP remix. Lil Jon is helping E-40 out.
Those are three rappers from the West that get their shine right now. No, the West isn't back.
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I voted yea but I don't think he brought it all the way back. I will say that he brought some attetion back to the West Coast.
Exactly. He brought some shine on cats like glasses, bishop and lil eazy. Regardless if you argue that they would have made it on there own Game opened the door for them. Bishop wouldn't have gotten signed to aftermath and glasses wouldn't have gotten 1.7 million :o to sign with sony and Game working with lil e only boosted his fame. But after Game's album came out people were buzzing about the west coast. And you can tell by how the underground is moving right now. However, after Game's album there wasn't really much. Quick had a great album which didn't sell to well, Mack 10 flopped, I'll not even mention DPG. Things kind of fell a little. But a lot of beef has been setteled, people are willing to colaborte a little more and now it's the west's oppurtunity. Game didn't bring the west back, it takes more then one person, but he is the starting force on it being brought back (if it does).
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I thought Game would have at least opened doors for LA artists but Warren G, QUik, Mack 10, DPG, Kurupt all did horribly and they usually sell alot more. And as for the Bay, nobody is pushing units. E-40 has the chance and by actually putting rappers from his region on his album ( unlike The Game ), he is opening doors for guys like Keak da Sneak, Federation & Turf Talk. Im an optimist but I really think MyBlockTheBay will help jumpstart sales for 06. Let's see how well Balance does on an independent this week, and we will have an idea
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Game did his part. He created a buzz, put the spotlight on the left coast, and pushed units. It's not his fault none of these other fools capitalized on it.
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Yeah, dude did shed some light back over here.You cant front on dude, he did his thang
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He gave record labels faith that a West Coast Gangster rapper could move units.
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
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yeah, you need many artist sheading lights on the west, game just put a spot light on la, and e-40 is trying to do the same thing, but no one is being able to step into the spotlight
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Dude, yall just dont pay attention because alotta of you are to busy paying attention to certain people. check hip hop connection out in the UK, (For those in the Area) I get love all over the world, and I aint go front, Game made westcoast hip hop a viable commodity on a world wide basis, regardless of who helped him. I dont advertise my business cus its nobody's concern outside of me and my circle, but Ive met with 2 major labels over the past month, and Im just weighing my options now. A lot of this attention is due to dude making the noise he did
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props due to you then Steele, but i still dont see too much attention besides Game being brought to the W last year besides the usual.
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How did game bring teh west back?I think he helped,But if u look at the rap game,the west been doing a lil something on and off,shit both of the east siders album went plat,and they didnt have 2 kiss nobody ass and dickride the eastcoast 2 do it,they was on 106 n park,snoop dogg been on the count down every since 106 n park came out,Crooked i will make a mark in the rap game if he ever drop,and crooked a make the west look good,BUt Game helped,,just like the eastsiders helped,Now tray d is tight as fuck,way underrated,But back 2 the subject,game did the same shit snoop been doing since forever,so how game bring the west back when snoop been keeping the west in the game and holding the west down every since he came out,game was show and proof that dr dre can take anybody with no skillz at all and make them a star,game skillz is a lil bit better now tho,
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Real Talk^^^ I aint say he brought it back, but he damn sure helped, just like Glasses is go help, just like Bishop go help, Just like 40 help, it's gotta be more than one fool gettin the attention, but I feel yall though
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
We really have to give Game his props, tho.He did his thing.
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
We really have to give Game his props, tho.He did his thing.
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Game did his part. He created a buzz, put the spotlight on the left coast, and pushed units. It's not his fault none of these other fools capitalized on it.
Exactly.
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It'll take a bigger buzz around a few more artists before the West is back.
Sikotic - Your sig owns all.
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he made a step in the right direction, but one person himself cant bring the whole west back.
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
word and Game should stop calling himself the King of the Westcoast
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
word and Game should stop calling himself the King of the Westcoast
Exactly. What happened to dude saying Snoop's got the crown?? He'll need to put in a lot more work before he can think of claiming that title.
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game is turning into 50 , from street to spoiled rich fuck.
and ontopic: i don't think he brought the west back, because well, if he did, where are all the westcoast artist in the charts?
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yes game did bring back the westcoast all these new rappers like bishop lamont, lil eazy, glasses malone all got deals because of the sucuess of the documentary
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no .. snoop been doin the same thing game jus started doin..and the same niggas on the west coast r still beggin to shine..spotlight been on the west coast...snoop was the only one holdin it down..he had batteries(rappers)..but he jus didnt have the machine to put the batteries in...
when nwa.. and death row was runnin shit..almost everybody in cali..was eatin a major meal...
imo if he was to bring the west back he needs to do what master p and baby nem did..kuz them niggas brought the south back and nobody knew what the hell happen...they wasnt waitin n droppin mixtapes..soon as they got their deals..they boguarded the game..
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I posed the question and waited for responses before I actually put my response.
I would say that the West Coast is not "BACK" to me at all, and that we were more "back" in 2001 than we are right now. For us to really be "back", it will definitely take more than just one artist. Game definitely did bring spotlight back to the West, and I would say that many artists are getting attention because of that. However, for him to continuously take credit for "bringin the west back", especially when he says he did it on his own, sounds very questionable to me.
For one...when we were runnin things, it wasn't just 1-2 artists that we had. If there was such thing as 106 and Park back between 94-96, I could imagine episodes where EIGHT of ten songs could have been west coast songs, wiht 5-6 bein rap and 2-3 bein R&B (Adina Howard, Montell Jordan, etc. etc.). At that time, it wasn't just the west coast artists who were in the spotlight....the west coast attitude, culture, style, and overall sound of music defined what rap and hip hop culture was at the time. You know how we see these commercials for cars that play songs that sound just like Usher "Yeah" and Big Boi "I like the way you move", 10 years ago, these commercials woulda sounded like "Gin and juice" "Nothin but a G Thang" and "Today was a good day". Everything from Movie soundtracks to Television show soundtracks had a west coast sound to them...listen to the music on Fresh Prince and Jamie Foxx.
With that...the west coast sound itself was on top, and I feel the west will not be "back" without havin some sound linked to us in the mainstream ear. So I definitely don't take anything away from Game for what he did, but I feel it is no way in the world that we can believe the west is "back" unless you weren't around in the mid 90's.
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Well Spoken homie!
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I agree with R-Tistic.
Game indeed brought back some attention to the West, but that's where it stops. Who else besides Game is really "doing it" on a mainstream level nowadays? Around 1999-2000 we had Xzibit, Warren G and Tha Eastsidaz all dropping albums that people outside the West were anticipating. Currently we don't have that...
As aforementioned by others: it will take several rappers at the same time who'll need to step up to the plate and deliver some good music (both for the hardcore West Coast hip-hop heads AND the mainstream since most of us want West Coast MC's to sell more units). You can't expect Game to "bring back the West", even if he says it himself. That's just promotion...no 1 man can bring the West back. It'll take guys like Bishop, Glasses and them to show the world what the West has got to offer.
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Q: In your opinion....did Game really bring the West back?
A: Yes
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when people say "back" do they mean 92-95, because i got news for yall, its never gonna be like that again.
so many of those classic albums went platinum plus, but now the big record labels want to keep it all commerical which makes it extremely hard for up-and-comming talent to sell like they used to, especially on the west coast where the majority of the national media doesnt even know whats going on.
not only that, but rap is much more diverse with the south doin its thing in a real big way, so i dont think you'll see the national spotlight dominated by one certain area like LA was doing back then
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Game is not good enough to single handedly bring back a whole coast.
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when people say "back" do they mean 92-95, because i got news for yall, its never gonna be like that again.
so many of those classic albums went platinum plus, but now the big record labels want to keep it all commerical which makes it extremely hard for up-and-comming talent to sell like they used to, especially on the west coast where the majority of the national media doesnt even know whats going on.
not only that, but rap is much more diverse with the south doin its thing in a real big way, so i dont think you'll see the national spotlight dominated by one certain area like LA was doing back then
Yeah people do mean "back" meaning 92-95, but most of us know that it will be a lot different if we do come "back". Many people always say how "Rap is commercialized" and "rap is wack now", but the people sayin that are the ones who grew up in the 90s...thing is, for people who grew up on 80s rap, the "gangsta rap" and all else was just as commercial to them as the "lean wit it rock wit it" is to many of us. We had the MC Hammers, Vanilla Ices, Sir Mix-a-lots who were highly "commercial" back then, and they were very entertaining and what they did. As far as the national spotlight bein dominated, even when we were "runnin shit", ALL the attention in the nation has never been on us. NY still had an overall advantage on us back then. The south may not have had as much of a presense back then, but the number of black people and those who were into hip hop in the south still had as much of an interest in rap as they do now, even though their cities and states weren't doin as much.
The west was on top for hundreds of reasons, even aside from Rap itself. The L.A. riots, hood movies, and even the OJ case just kept people interested in what was goin on in L.A., and that brought attention to all of California and not just L.A. I feel that we will probably never be back in the spotlight to that extent, but that we could at least have some influence in culture and music. L.A.'s culture itself has been washed away, and I see more cats in L.A. tryin to be east coast than anything else from their style of dress and rappin, which shows that we don't have what it takes to have that influence at this moment. The Bay's culture is strong as hell, and it is already gettin MAJOR attention right now in other states outside of CA, so that is a step
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I think he brought light yes, but bringing a whole coast back single-handedly? Hell Nah..
It's an exciting transition period now, as there is ALOT of new cats coming through, if all these artists can ready there shit and drop within a few months, then shit could start to blow, not drop a hot album, wait 6 months .. nothin.
I think 2006 will be a succesful year for the westcoast and maybe a kick-start to a new era.
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when people say "back" do they mean 92-95, because i got news for yall, its never gonna be like that again.
so many of those classic albums went platinum plus, but now the big record labels want to keep it all commerical which makes it extremely hard for up-and-comming talent to sell like they used to, especially on the west coast where the majority of the national media doesnt even know whats going on.
not only that, but rap is much more diverse with the south doin its thing in a real big way, so i dont think you'll see the national spotlight dominated by one certain area like LA was doing back then
Yeah people do mean "back" meaning 92-95, but most of us know that it will be a lot different if we do come "back". Many people always say how "Rap is commercialized" and "rap is wack now", but the people sayin that are the ones who grew up in the 90s...thing is, for people who grew up on 80s rap, the "gangsta rap" and all else was just as commercial to them as the "lean wit it rock wit it" is to many of us. We had the MC Hammers, Vanilla Ices, Sir Mix-a-lots who were highly "commercial" back then, and they were very entertaining and what they did. As far as the national spotlight bein dominated, even when we were "runnin shit", ALL the attention in the nation has never been on us. NY still had an overall advantage on us back then. The south may not have had as much of a presense back then, but the number of black people and those who were into hip hop in the south still had as much of an interest in rap as they do now, even though their cities and states weren't doin as much.
The west was on top for hundreds of reasons, even aside from Rap itself. The L.A. riots, hood movies, and even the OJ case just kept people interested in what was goin on in L.A., and that brought attention to all of California and not just L.A. I feel that we will probably never be back in the spotlight to that extent, but that we could at least have some influence in culture and music. L.A.'s culture itself has been washed away, and I see more cats in L.A. tryin to be east coast than anything else from their style of dress and rappin, which shows that we don't have what it takes to have that influence at this moment. The Bay's culture is strong as hell, and it is already gettin MAJOR attention right now in other states outside of CA, so that is a step
i agree, i dont think the state of rap will ever be what it was back in 92-95 but id be very happy to see it somewhere inbetween.
i see what u mean about gangsta rap being as commercialized as todays bs that gets played on the radio to some of the older people, but the differences between the two are so huge that its almoast impossible to compare them. a lot of the ones that started the gangsta rap movement like dre, cube, snoop, etc. are legends that changed rap as we know it forever, not to mention possibly the most talented ever at what they did.
i know ny still got a lot of shine back then too but werent album sales DOMINATED by the west (mainly deathrow)? i guess numbers can be decieving though, because just the chronic alone sold more than damn near every other rapper's catalouge.
and the point i was trying to make about the south not doing as much back then was stricktly from an album sales perspective. nowadays the south has more artists than you can shake a stick at, so obviously the south is gonna support their backyard and buy a lot of their own albums. whereas back in the day there wasnt that much indi and local buzz going on, so i could see a lot of the people in the south buying the more mainstream albums.
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The West will come back, but not like it did b4 cuz the the rise of the south, but mainly cuz ppl in L.A. are NOT supportive of their own region. If you tell a down south nigga that Laffy Taffy is wack he will defend it like you are dissing the entire south. Laffy Taffy is wack and he knows it, but he aint gone tell you that shit. On the other hand niggas in Cali will run with the slightest info or rumor about a WS rapper, so then when other niggas from other regions start to dis him we help them and IT MAKES US ALL LOOK WEAK.
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No...It will take many artists and time to bring the west back
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I think Doctor's Advocate will be more West Coast oriented since its speareheaded mainly by Dre and not Fifty Cent this time!
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props to game and 50 for bringing some attention to the west coast
but when a westcoast legend like cube chooses the indy way you should know the answer