West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: xquistqban on September 20, 2006, 09:54:40 AM
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Damn I thought he would do atleast the same as Cali Iz Active. This album is tight and shouldnt have flopped. I dont see Daz ever realising another album on a major label.
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Wow that's horrible... The West hasn't been able to sell a damn thing for a while now.
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Hmm...still better than 17,000 as we thought. #35 doesn't look bad being on the charts, but the number 23,000 sounds bad.
Roscoe only did 8,000 his first week, and his singles were all on radio.
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Thats a shame, the album deserves better sales as its a good album. Hopefully the second single will help .
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DAMN, that is bad. I am not a big fan of Daz, and thought it would flop, but not 23,000 type of flop. Since he's from the west, I was hoping he'd do at least a 40-50 thousand type of flop. It's somewhat sad because "On Some Real Shit" sounded like a very popular mainstream single. I personally didn't like the album at all. I thought I could count the average/good songs on 1 hand.
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Its probably because of the promotion..and I think that Daz Killed his buzz by releasing a couple of records before his Official one, and if I remember Jermaine Dupri, wasnt down with that, but Daz kept going..so Im sure JD lost interest and released this records just to be done wit Daz..and in my opinion if JD was caring bout this release, he would put Daz all over, (magazines, radio, videos)
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Actually this album is following the trend of record sales the past couple of years. You gotta understand, the general public really does not know who Daz is and this album was his first in almost 8 years on a major. I agree that JD is the deciding factor to whether or not this album will sell anymore, but this is not 1998. Weekend should be the next single and the one with Jagged Edge is cool. You can just this year pull up at least 5-10 artists that sales wise did as bad or worse than Daz. Some had more promotion also.
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Hows the promotion in the US? Do people actually now this album is coming out? And is his single gettting any airplay?
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The video gets played regular on BET but I have never seen it on MTV. As far as the radio, I have only heard the song a couple of times out here in Las Vegas. But they play the hell out of that Candy song that Snoop has.
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The video gets played regular on BET but I have never seen it on MTV. As far as the radio, I have only heard the song a couple of times out here in Las Vegas. But they play the hell out of that Candy song that Snoop has.
I think MTV is also one of the main reasons why the west isnt coming back. If they gave more attention to the album and showed the clip on a regular basis, all these 15 year old kids would be running to the store to buy the album.
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gotta be lack of promotion our own radio stations out west dont even support our artists that much Kday supports the west the most I gotta say that. The WEst needs its own radio station to help out and a show to showcase the videos.
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Promotion for west coast albums ALWAYS suck, which is the main reason they dont sell.
I mean look @ MTV and other down south and east coast people in the media, when it comes to west coast albums...they dont know shit and they think by just saying WESTSIDE and throwing the W is enough >:(
Fuck that, thats what i hate....people got sick of that stuff along time ago and when they hear that, it makes them not want to buy the album cuz they think its all about that ::)
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Actually this album is following the trend of record sales the past couple of years. You gotta understand, the general public really does not know who Daz is and this album was his first in almost 8 years on a major. I agree that JD is the deciding factor to whether or not this album will sell anymore, but this is not 1998. You can just this year pull up at least 5-10 artists that sales wise did as bad or worse than Daz. Some had more promotion also.
yup
and :o @ Roscoe doing 8,000
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yeah, not only was he not gettin enuff promotion, not many people look at him as one of tha dopest west coast artists ever dropping a new album on a real label. they look at him as some fat guy who used to be good when tha west was popular and hes just trying to ressurect his career...no surprise to it only selling 23,000 units...plus there aint enuff people who even like him enuff to actually go out and purchase and spend money on it when they can just dl it. dont get me wrong tho son, i bought tha album!
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I thought he was gonna push more units than Justin Timberlake.
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maybe it didnt sell good b/c daz is washed up and no gives a shit about daz anymore.... i dont know maybe just a idea i would throw out there.
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thats not good..lol
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word to tha mets fan...i may have bought tha album...but i never said it was actually good
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I thought he was gonna push more units than Justin Timberlake.
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The video gets played regular on BET but I have never seen it on MTV. As far as the radio, I have only heard the song a couple of times out here in Las Vegas. But they play the hell out of that Candy song that Snoop has.
I think MTV is also one of the main reasons why the west isnt coming back. If they gave more attention to the album and showed the clip on a regular basis, all these 15 year old kids would be running to the store to buy the album.
You make a great point. i think that is the main reason. It would sure help if we got the "Box" back on the air.
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can we see a soundscan list or a link....
23k is nice compared to 17k that HITSdaily double had on it
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SO YOU MEAN HE SPENT MORE THEN HE MADE LOL!!!!!!
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It just show what a poor state hiphop is in.
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Daz's record is painfully mediocre.
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Daz is gunna throw a fit, he's gunna start being on some "fuck the industry" shit, and he's probably gunna start independantly releasing 7 albums a month to make up for the crack money he just lost with this album...Seriously though, I thought this album would sell slightly better, I thought it shoulda' cracked the top 15, especially with these Daz posters all around LA, on freeways, malls, stop signs, etc...Too bad though, music will never be what it was because of shit like this...Imagine the quality music we'd be getting if Daz knew he could sell by producing classic cuts. Shit, if some real west coast shit we all loved came out as the first single, it probably would have sold even less..."Real Shit" was commercial, catchy, everything a standard radio song is, but it just doesn't work...Major labels are out, 95% of the ill shit we're gunna hear will be independantly released...PeACe
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^^^ yup, but people seem to be happy with artists making gay singles, so I don't think it'll change
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^^^ yup, but people seem to be happy with artists making gay singles, so I don't think it'll change
exactly
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its dope album
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
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wtf? the album was straight bangin >:(
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
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fuck them radio motherfuckers... they are no longer west radios...we don't got radio stations no more... >:(
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
EXACTLY. LOL People that thought it would sell more than 50 grand. Now for it to have some staying power the singles will have to be played more, Weekend needs to drop and up the amount of appearances and shows.
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
EXACTLY. LOL People that thought it would sell more than 50 grand. Now for it to have some staying power the singles will have to be played more, Weekend needs to drop and up the amount of appearances and shows.
Of course we expected it to sell at least 50,000, I'm sure Daz did too...He coulda' sold 23,000 with a fucking independant release and made 10X more money...If you think 23,000 is what was expected, then you don't know the difference between releasing major albums and releasing shit independantly...PeACe
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
EXACTLY. LOL People that thought it would sell more than 50 grand. Now for it to have some staying power the singles will have to be played more, Weekend needs to drop and up the amount of appearances and shows.
Of course we expected it to sell at least 50,000, I'm sure Daz did too...He coulda' sold 23,000 with a fucking independant release and made 10X more money...If you think 23,000 is what was expected, then you don't know the difference between releasing major albums and releasing shit independantly...PeACe
For the amount of promotion and delays this album got? Hell yeah I expected it to sell 23,000 copies. This album has been talked about for at least 3 years and all of a sudden it drops. The release date changed at least 3 times this year alone. I agree he should have dropped indie with those numbers but the promotion for the album was shit. Hurry up the last month before your album drops aint gonna cut it. Now you can take the Cali Iz Active approach and scrap it or you can try to promote the album a little bit more.
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
EXACTLY. LOL People that thought it would sell more than 50 grand. Now for it to have some staying power the singles will have to be played more, Weekend needs to drop and up the amount of appearances and shows.
Of course we expected it to sell at least 50,000, I'm sure Daz did too...He coulda' sold 23,000 with a fucking independant release and made 10X more money...If you think 23,000 is what was expected, then you don't know the difference between releasing major albums and releasing shit independantly...PeACe
For the amount of promotion and delays this album got? Hell yeah I expected it to sell 23,000 copies. This album has been talked about for at least 3 years and all of a sudden it drops. The release date changed at least 3 times this year alone. I agree he should have dropped indie with those numbers but the promotion for the album was shit. Hurry up the last month before your album drops aint gonna cut it. Now you can take the Cali Iz Active approach and scrap it or you can try to promote the album a little bit more.
Or he can just smoke crack and make 7 independant albums in the span of a month to make up for the loss, which is the route he'll most likely take...
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And it is not like all these other artists are burning up the charts. Hell Daz was 35 on the charts. That aint bad considering the state of music right now. People are just not buying albums like they used to. And just because Daz is a household name and legend in this forum does not translate into platinum and gold plaques in the real world. Daz is almost like a underground artist to most people.
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And it is not like all these other artists are burning up the charts. Hell Daz was 35 on the charts. That aint bad considering the state of music right now. People are just not buying albums like they used to. And just because Daz is a household name and legend in this forum does not translate into platinum and gold plaques in the real world. Daz is almost like a underground artist to most people.
Almost? He pretty much is...
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
thats very true. i agree with you there
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Album was ok. it sold what it should for todays standards.
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fuck them radio motherfuckers... they are no longer west radios...we don't got radio stations no more... >:(
AOL radio has a West Coast only channel.
Daz is actually #6 on the R&B charts.
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fuck them radio motherfuckers... they are no longer west radios...we don't got radio stations no more... >:(
AOL radio has a West Coast only channel.
Daz is actually #6 on the R&B charts.
why is he even on r&b?
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fuck them radio motherfuckers... they are no longer west radios...we don't got radio stations no more... >:(
AOL radio has a West Coast only channel.
Daz is actually #6 on the R&B charts.
why is he even on r&b?
R&B/Hip-Hop http://billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+R%26B%2FHip-Hop+Albums (http://billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=Top+R%26B%2FHip-Hop+Albums)
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fuck them radio motherfuckers... they are no longer west radios...we don't got radio stations no more... >:(
AOL radio has a West Coast only channel.
Daz is actually #6 on the R&B charts.
thats actually not a bad way to look at it. considering 3 of the people ahead of him are major pop icons.
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Albums just aren't selling anymore due to mass downloading. 23K is fine for a "washed up" artist like Daz. He got a little extra industry attention with this release, so his future indy projects will do a little better. I dont see him putting out another SoSoDef album thouigh.
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
I'd have to say that is a biased statement....people who grew up on 60's n 70's R&B, or even rock, could say the same about their younger generations, which actually include us. My dad doesn't even like the Smooth Jazz on radio because he feels it lacks the soul that the old Jazz had....and he definitely can't get into rap....so the same way that we think "Laffy taffy" and "It's goin down" is trash....10-15 years ago, the older crowd probably thought Doggystyle and Chronic were just as trash...."all they talk about is drinkin and shootin each other".
But by removing the bias....I would say that the younger crowd just doesn't get into these true west coast songs as much as they may to "Laffy taffy"...but there have been many west coast songs that have been just as catchy as Laffy Taffy, without being as watered down. But i'ts just a domino effect....if everything on radio the last few years did sound like "Cali is active" then the younger crowd would like it. The young crowd basically likes whatever they hear, and that's what molds their preferred style.
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it's really too bad that we have to worry about what retards like, but that's the way it is :-\
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
I'd have to say that is a biased statement....people who grew up on 60's n 70's R&B, or even rock, could say the same about their younger generations, which actually include us. My dad doesn't even like the Smooth Jazz on radio because he feels it lacks the soul that the old Jazz had....and he definitely can't get into rap....so the same way that we think "Laffy taffy" and "It's goin down" is trash....10-15 years ago, the older crowd probably thought Doggystyle and Chronic were just as trash...."all they talk about is drinkin and shootin each other".
But by removing the bias....I would say that the younger crowd just doesn't get into these true west coast songs as much as they may to "Laffy taffy"...but there have been many west coast songs that have been just as catchy as Laffy Taffy, without being as watered down. But i'ts just a domino effect....if everything on radio the last few years did sound like "Cali is active" then the younger crowd would like it. The young crowd basically likes whatever they hear, and that's what molds their preferred style.
I don't give a fuck what you say, comparing "Laffy Taffy" and "The Chronic" is ridiculous, at least commercial hip-hop around that time was still music... it was still well-produced original compositions we were hearing, regardless of whether the previous generation couldn't feel the subject matter, it was something special... no one can deny that the sucess of west coast hip-hop is a landmark in music history, it added an extra dimension to not only hip-hop, but music in general...This new shit we're hearing on the radio is destroying dimensions and destroying ear-drums of ANYONE who knows what authentic music is...It's not even arguable, the shit is so damn generic, wattered down, and it's not real music, most the shit I hear on the radio sounds like Casio beats with dudes yelling or talking (I don't even consider it flowing anymore) over them and repeating the same shit over and over until it stick in the heads of our dumb ass youth...It even goes the same for TV shows, I was flippin the channels this morning and I came across this cartoon called "The Loonatics" or some shit, it was like a futuristic spaced out version of "Loony Toons". It had a big ass Yosemitey Sam reincarnation riding some space shuttle and shooting laser beams at a black rabbit which was supposed to be a reincarnation of Bugs Bunny...Straight ridiculous shit like that, our world is just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by...There's a difference between not liking something because it is generic and destroys the meaning of original artwork than simply not liking it due to preference...You see, I don't like Country, but I can still appreciate that it is music, you can tell the difference between something that just isn't your taste or something that is killing music, and songs like "Laffy Taffy" are definitely the latter...PeACe
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
I'd have to say that is a biased statement....people who grew up on 60's n 70's R&B, or even rock, could say the same about their younger generations, which actually include us. My dad doesn't even like the Smooth Jazz on radio because he feels it lacks the soul that the old Jazz had....and he definitely can't get into rap....so the same way that we think "Laffy taffy" and "It's goin down" is trash....10-15 years ago, the older crowd probably thought Doggystyle and Chronic were just as trash...."all they talk about is drinkin and shootin each other".
But by removing the bias....I would say that the younger crowd just doesn't get into these true west coast songs as much as they may to "Laffy taffy"...but there have been many west coast songs that have been just as catchy as Laffy Taffy, without being as watered down. But i'ts just a domino effect....if everything on radio the last few years did sound like "Cali is active" then the younger crowd would like it. The young crowd basically likes whatever they hear, and that's what molds their preferred style.
I don't give a fuck what you say, comparing "Laffy Taffy" and "The Chronic" is ridiculous, at least commercial hip-hop around that time was still music... it was still well-produced original compositions we were hearing, regardless of whether the previous generation couldn't feel the subject matter, it was something special... no one can deny that the sucess of west coast hip-hop is a landmark in music history, it added an extra dimension to not only hip-hop, but music in general...This new shit we're hearing on the radio is destroying dimensions and destroying ear-drums of ANYONE who knows what authentic music is...It's not even arguable, the shit is so damn generic, wattered down, and it's not real music, most the shit I hear on the radio sounds like Casio beats with dudes yelling or talking (I don't even consider it flowing anymore) over them and repeating the same shit over and over until it stick in the heads of our dumb ass youth...It even goes the same for TV shows, I was flippin the channels this morning and I came across this cartoon called "The Loonatics" or some shit, it was like a futuristic spaced out version of "Loony Toons". It had a big ass Yosemitey Sam reincarnation riding some space shuttle and shooting laser beams at a black rabbit which was supposed to be a reincarnation of Bugs Bunny...Straight ridiculous shit like that, our world is just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by...There's a difference between not liking something because it is generic and destroys the meaning of original artwork than simply not liking it due to preference...You see, I don't like Country, but I can still appreciate that it is music, you can tell the difference between something that just isn't your taste or something that is killing music, and songs like "Laffy Taffy" are definitely the latter...PeACe
ironically enough, you guys are kinda saying the same thing..
see the difference between "The Chronic" and "Laffy Taffy" is who is involved in the music.. Even though i dont think D4L had that much success to be a proper comparison, i'll still use them as an example.
Back in 1992- rap was considered 'black music'.. It was music we put out to express our ideas and our feelings of the time. We had civil injustices, police brutality, the riots... Thats why The Chronic was good. It was a soundtrack to the street. They were played on our radio stations. Remember, MTV and VH1 didn't play rap at first. It was mostly BET..
Nowadays, rap is not considered 'black music' anymore. Theres so much multi-cultural love of rap music. So nowadays you got the successful rappers diversifying their content to appeal to the mass crowds.. Thats why D4L get so much play on the radio rather than Daz who seems to be stuck in 1992.
So for us older fans who still remember what rap used to stand for, we get upset when we hear these fake-sellout songs that is just trying to appeal to the masses with simple beats and catchy phrases. And like the guy said before you, this happens to ALL genres of music.
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
I'd have to say that is a biased statement....people who grew up on 60's n 70's R&B, or even rock, could say the same about their younger generations, which actually include us. My dad doesn't even like the Smooth Jazz on radio because he feels it lacks the soul that the old Jazz had....and he definitely can't get into rap....so the same way that we think "Laffy taffy" and "It's goin down" is trash....10-15 years ago, the older crowd probably thought Doggystyle and Chronic were just as trash...."all they talk about is drinkin and shootin each other".
But by removing the bias....I would say that the younger crowd just doesn't get into these true west coast songs as much as they may to "Laffy taffy"...but there have been many west coast songs that have been just as catchy as Laffy Taffy, without being as watered down. But i'ts just a domino effect....if everything on radio the last few years did sound like "Cali is active" then the younger crowd would like it. The young crowd basically likes whatever they hear, and that's what molds their preferred style.
I don't give a fuck what you say, comparing "Laffy Taffy" and "The Chronic" is ridiculous, at least commercial hip-hop around that time was still music... it was still well-produced original compositions we were hearing, regardless of whether the previous generation couldn't feel the subject matter, it was something special... no one can deny that the sucess of west coast hip-hop is a landmark in music history, it added an extra dimension to not only hip-hop, but music in general...This new shit we're hearing on the radio is destroying dimensions and destroying ear-drums of ANYONE who knows what authentic music is...It's not even arguable, the shit is so damn generic, wattered down, and it's not real music, most the shit I hear on the radio sounds like Casio beats with dudes yelling or talking (I don't even consider it flowing anymore) over them and repeating the same shit over and over until it stick in the heads of our dumb ass youth...It even goes the same for TV shows, I was flippin the channels this morning and I came across this cartoon called "The Loonatics" or some shit, it was like a futuristic spaced out version of "Loony Toons". It had a big ass Yosemitey Sam reincarnation riding some space shuttle and shooting laser beams at a black rabbit which was supposed to be a reincarnation of Bugs Bunny...Straight ridiculous shit like that, our world is just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by...There's a difference between not liking something because it is generic and destroys the meaning of original artwork than simply not liking it due to preference...You see, I don't like Country, but I can still appreciate that it is music, you can tell the difference between something that just isn't your taste or something that is killing music, and songs like "Laffy Taffy" are definitely the latter...PeACe
First up....I am definitely not comparing Laffy Taffy to the Chronic, especially not musically.....all I am saying is that older generations didn't get into that style of music at all, just as we don't get into Laffy Taffy.
As far as the music on Chronic and in 92......you can't even call em "original compositions" because 98% was sampled or interpolated...and that is one of the things that most older people hated about rap at that time. People like my dad who loved the Parliament and Roger n Zapp era couldn't get into the Dre and "G-Funk" tracks but so much, just because they had heard it before, and when they heard it, it was a lot more musical. Most rap songs would take a small part of the funk songs and loop them, or re-play a part of it, but they wouldn't keep all of the complex musical changes that made many older people love it.
I only compared "Chronic" and "Doggystyle" because that's our favorite music....but to be a lot more realistic, I'd say that "Whoop there it is" and "Ice Ice Baby" are a lot more comparable to Laffy Taffy. I just think younger generations are influenced by WHATEVER they hear on radio, and that makes them like it....regardless of how empty and bare, or how complex and musical it is...and when they grow older, they tend to hate whatever the young crowd listens to...but they contradict themselves, just because their bias makes them feel that their generation's music really was the best, when it's all about taste and preference. On the flip side, there are certain elements of music that can always be judged throughout time, and people who are best at evaluating music in this way can usually decipher what is really "quality" and what isn't.....and with that, some of the music we grew up on passes that test, and some of it doesn't even come close.
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The West Coast doesn't even support their own artists as much..
Look at KDAY's playlist http://www.935kday.com/index.php
Look at power 106's playlist http://www.power106.fm/playlist/index.aspx
power 106 is a little better.. but still.. they need to act like NY and give their artists a bigger buzz.
now look at Houston's playlist..
Party 104.9 http://www.party1049.com/pages/70649.php?contentType=4&contentId=190413
97.9 The Box http://www.kbxx.com/playlist.asp
See how they only support the south and only play the MAJOR MAJOR songs.. But they don't give the WC any play.. Thats why all their artists are going gold and platinum.. I'm not saying Daz should go platinum, but his album is probably better than half the people who are doing well in the south.
I agree, but I guess they have to play what gets requested...We need to blame it on the consumers out here who eat that shit up just as much as we blame it on the radios...It'll take a group effort to put the west coast back on top of things, unfortunately, no one will ever realize that...PeACe
people only request what they hear. if you play a track 10 times in a row, it tends to grow on you. how many songs have you heard where it took awhile to start feeling it? The radio djs are just playing what they are paid to play
i think times like this is where i miss Death Row Records.. They had a deal with Interscope like G-unit and Aftermath does. They were getting all sorts of radio play.. Now that we don't have a true west coast record label with a good deal it seems that the music is getting shitted on.
But you see, the average consumer is too dumb nowadays to feel a song like lets say "Cali Iz Active" enough to continuously request it...Regardless, even if they heard it on the radio tons of times, kids can't feel that shit anymore, it's too much for them, they want some "Laffy Taffy" shit, some "Meet Me In The Club" shit...It basically comes down to the generations getting dumber and dumber and being down with some of the gayest shit ever...PeACe
I'd have to say that is a biased statement....people who grew up on 60's n 70's R&B, or even rock, could say the same about their younger generations, which actually include us. My dad doesn't even like the Smooth Jazz on radio because he feels it lacks the soul that the old Jazz had....and he definitely can't get into rap....so the same way that we think "Laffy taffy" and "It's goin down" is trash....10-15 years ago, the older crowd probably thought Doggystyle and Chronic were just as trash...."all they talk about is drinkin and shootin each other".
But by removing the bias....I would say that the younger crowd just doesn't get into these true west coast songs as much as they may to "Laffy taffy"...but there have been many west coast songs that have been just as catchy as Laffy Taffy, without being as watered down. But i'ts just a domino effect....if everything on radio the last few years did sound like "Cali is active" then the younger crowd would like it. The young crowd basically likes whatever they hear, and that's what molds their preferred style.
I don't give a fuck what you say, comparing "Laffy Taffy" and "The Chronic" is ridiculous, at least commercial hip-hop around that time was still music... it was still well-produced original compositions we were hearing, regardless of whether the previous generation couldn't feel the subject matter, it was something special... no one can deny that the sucess of west coast hip-hop is a landmark in music history, it added an extra dimension to not only hip-hop, but music in general...This new shit we're hearing on the radio is destroying dimensions and destroying ear-drums of ANYONE who knows what authentic music is...It's not even arguable, the shit is so damn generic, wattered down, and it's not real music, most the shit I hear on the radio sounds like Casio beats with dudes yelling or talking (I don't even consider it flowing anymore) over them and repeating the same shit over and over until it stick in the heads of our dumb ass youth...It even goes the same for TV shows, I was flippin the channels this morning and I came across this cartoon called "The Loonatics" or some shit, it was like a futuristic spaced out version of "Loony Toons". It had a big ass Yosemitey Sam reincarnation riding some space shuttle and shooting laser beams at a black rabbit which was supposed to be a reincarnation of Bugs Bunny...Straight ridiculous shit like that, our world is just getting dumber and dumber as the years go by...There's a difference between not liking something because it is generic and destroys the meaning of original artwork than simply not liking it due to preference...You see, I don't like Country, but I can still appreciate that it is music, you can tell the difference between something that just isn't your taste or something that is killing music, and songs like "Laffy Taffy" are definitely the latter...PeACe
ironically enough, you guys are kinda saying the same thing..
see the difference between "The Chronic" and "Laffy Taffy" is who is involved in the music.. Even though i dont think D4L had that much success to be a proper comparison, i'll still use them as an example.
Back in 1992- rap was considered 'black music'.. It was music we put out to express our ideas and our feelings of the time. We had civil injustices, police brutality, the riots... Thats why The Chronic was good. It was a soundtrack to the street. They were played on our radio stations. Remember, MTV and VH1 didn't play rap at first. It was mostly BET..
Nowadays, rap is not considered 'black music' anymore. Theres so much multi-cultural love of rap music. So nowadays you got the successful rappers diversifying their content to appeal to the mass crowds.. Thats why D4L get so much play on the radio rather than Daz who seems to be stuck in 1992.
So for us older fans who still remember what rap used to stand for, we get upset when we hear these fake-sellout songs that is just trying to appeal to the masses with simple beats and catchy phrases. And like the guy said before you, this happens to ALL genres of music.
LOL.....yeah, we are just taking two different sides of the same argument.
Unofficially, I study music history....so I tend to see a LOT of patterns in music, and I see how a lot of things work. So with that....I have heard many people say that Chronic and Doggystyle were so massive because they found the perfect formula of bringing the gangsta edge of the streets to catchy lyrics and hooks, to great production that took elements of the past (70's Funk), present (scratching, drum tracks, new sounds), and making that the future of music for a while. That made it appeal to many people at the time, but as with everything, there were people who grew up on the earlier music who couldn't get into it for various reasons.....some of them hated the content and how they weren't talking about much of anything positive as a lot of 80's rap did....some were caught up in the New Jack Swing sound, and didn't want to hear the same Funk songs that they heard 10-12 years before...and as far as people who weren't into rap and never understood or appreciated sampling and interpolating, they weren't gonna like anything that wasn't original, period.
And yeah, similar things happen in every genre, and they happen every couple of years. As bad as it sounds, there will be people who are 21-25 in the year 2016-2018, who will really think that 2004-2008 was the golden age of rap, and sadly enough, they may have evidence of the record sales to "prove" that they are right.
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The point I'm making is that even though the older generation couldn't feel "Doggystyle" or "Chronic", it doesn't mean it's comparable to us not feeling "Laffy Taffy"...We don't feel commercial shit nowadays simply because it's effortless, generic, it's a bunch of artists copying eachother with no evolution and pretty much no skill involved...It's 2 different reasons not to like something, and no one with credibility will ever be able to say 2004-2008 was the golden age in rap, it just won't work like that...PeACe