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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: djkoast on October 12, 2006, 08:19:13 AM
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Real talk, do not bootleg or downlaod the new Xzibit. And no I don't believe the people who say "ill download it and if its good Ill buy it" because more times then not people don't end up going and buying it. I'll give you solid reasons why as I heard it just has been leaked to the Internet.....
#1 - He is trying to do his independent thing, the more people who are are independent the better hip hop as a whole will be. You will have artists with more say instead of some 50 year old white guy who listens to Aerosmith and Bon Jovi saying what or what is not quality HIP HOP music.
#2 - The tracks that have been leaked and the performance he did the other night for 'Thank You' should convince you that it is worth spending the 10 or 14 dollars on. The album is going to be solid. I'll put my screen name up on that one.
#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. We did it for Cube and we got a hell of an album.
#4 - If he seems people supporting him when he returns to stronger concepts and better lyrics (less catchy stuff) then he is going to continue to make that music. If the industry sees guys like Xzibit and Cube putting out alot more concepts in their tracks then maybe they will not force MCs to do the same old shit for 75% of their albums.
#5 - Cuz DUBCNN SAYS SO!
Thoughts?
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im going out and buying it dude. i love them koch cds.
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Real talk, do not bootleg or downlaod the new Xzibit. And no I don't believe the people who say "ill download it and if its good Ill buy it" because more times then not people don't end up going and buying it. I'll give you solid reasons why as I heard it just has been leaked to the Internet.....
#1 - He is trying to do his independent thing, the more people who are are independent the better hip hop as a whole will be. You will have artists with more say instead of some 50 year old white guy who listens to Aerosmith and Bon Jovi saying what or what is not quality HIP HOP music.
#2 - The tracks that have been leaked and the performance he did the other night for 'Thank You' should convince you that it is worth spending the 10 or 14 dollars on. The album is going to be solid. I'll put my screen name up on that one.
#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. We did it for Cube and we got a hell of an album.
#4 - If he seems people supporting him when he returns to stronger concepts and better lyrics (less catchy stuff) then he is going to continue to make that music. If the industry sees guys like Xzibit and Cube putting out alot more concepts in their tracks then maybe they will not force MCs to do the same old shit for 75% of their albums.
#5 - Cuz DUBCNN SAYS SO!
Thoughts?
Amen to that homeboy. +1
He is going to get my money anyway. Let's support X to the Z.
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what about downloadin when its leaked and buying when its out ;)
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what about downloadin when its leaked and buying when its out ;)
We all know that rarely happens. I really don't care what anyone says. If it was true that people who download always buy quality albums then people who have suffered from bootlegging would have done better, like say Boot Camp Cliq, Mack 10, and heck even Ice Cube. I've even said this myself and I don't always go out and buy the album. Not because I am being cheap but because I kind of forget to make time when the album is already playing in the CD player. In fact if I didn't collect vinyl there is alot of albums I never would have bought that were good.
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I wanna get this and Hitek when it drops
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Real talk, do not bootleg or downlaod the new Xzibit. And no I don't believe the people who say "ill download it and if its good Ill buy it" because more times then not people don't end up going and buying it. I'll give you solid reasons why as I heard it just has been leaked to the Internet.....
#1 - He is trying to do his independent thing, the more people who are are independent the better hip hop as a whole will be. You will have artists with more say instead of some 50 year old white guy who listens to Aerosmith and Bon Jovi saying what or what is not quality HIP HOP music.
#2 - The tracks that have been leaked and the performance he did the other night for 'Thank You' should convince you that it is worth spending the 10 or 14 dollars on. The album is going to be solid. I'll put my screen name up on that one.
#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. We did it for Cube and we got a hell of an album.
#4 - If he seems people supporting him when he returns to stronger concepts and better lyrics (less catchy stuff) then he is going to continue to make that music. If the industry sees guys like Xzibit and Cube putting out alot more concepts in their tracks then maybe they will not force MCs to do the same old shit for 75% of their albums.
#5 - Cuz DUBCNN SAYS SO!
Thoughts?
Amen to that homeboy. +1
He is going to get my money anyway. Let's support X to the Z.
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Real talk, do not bootleg or downlaod the new Xzibit. And no I don't believe the people who say "ill download it and if its good Ill buy it" because more times then not people don't end up going and buying it. I'll give you solid reasons why as I heard it just has been leaked to the Internet.....
#1 - He is trying to do his independent thing, the more people who are are independent the better hip hop as a whole will be. You will have artists with more say instead of some 50 year old white guy who listens to Aerosmith and Bon Jovi saying what or what is not quality HIP HOP music.
#2 - The tracks that have been leaked and the performance he did the other night for 'Thank You' should convince you that it is worth spending the 10 or 14 dollars on. The album is going to be solid. I'll put my screen name up on that one.
#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. We did it for Cube and we got a hell of an album.
#4 - If he seems people supporting him when he returns to stronger concepts and better lyrics (less catchy stuff) then he is going to continue to make that music. If the industry sees guys like Xzibit and Cube putting out alot more concepts in their tracks then maybe they will not force MCs to do the same old shit for 75% of their albums.
#5 - Cuz DUBCNN SAYS SO!
Thoughts?
Amen to that homeboy. +1
He is going to get my money anyway. Let's support X to the Z.
Whats good Tech?
<---westkoast2k2
You guys want to download something?
http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2006/october/xzibit-thank_you-(dubcnn).mp3
There ya go, download that. Think about what he is saying in the track and then think about returning that 'Thanks' by buying the album. If we want hip hop to change for the better....we have to put the consumer dollar behind more quality work.
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what about downloadin when its leaked and buying when its out ;)
We all know that rarely happens. I really don't care what anyone says. If it was true that people who download always buy quality albums then people who have suffered from bootlegging would have done better, like say Boot Camp Cliq, Mack 10, and heck even Ice Cube. I've even said this myself and I don't always go out and buy the album. Not because I am being cheap but because I kind of forget to make time when the album is already playing in the CD player. In fact if I didn't collect vinyl there is alot of albums I never would have bought that were good.
well, trust me, ill buy this album! its off the fuckin chain!
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I wanna get this and Hitek when it drops
co-sign.
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For real! Personally when my favorite artists drop albums I only download some of the songs...better for the suprise and showin' the support. 8)
Real talk, do not bootleg or downlaod the new Xzibit. And no I don't believe the people who say "ill download it and if its good Ill buy it" because more times then not people don't end up going and buying it. I'll give you solid reasons why as I heard it just has been leaked to the Internet.....
#1 - He is trying to do his independent thing, the more people who are are independent the better hip hop as a whole will be. You will have artists with more say instead of some 50 year old white guy who listens to Aerosmith and Bon Jovi saying what or what is not quality HIP HOP music.
#2 - The tracks that have been leaked and the performance he did the other night for 'Thank You' should convince you that it is worth spending the 10 or 14 dollars on. The album is going to be solid. I'll put my screen name up on that one.
#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. We did it for Cube and we got a hell of an album.
#4 - If he seems people supporting him when he returns to stronger concepts and better lyrics (less catchy stuff) then he is going to continue to make that music. If the industry sees guys like Xzibit and Cube putting out alot more concepts in their tracks then maybe they will not force MCs to do the same old shit for 75% of their albums.
#5 - Cuz DUBCNN SAYS SO!
Thoughts?
Amen to that homeboy. +1
He is going to get my money anyway. Let's support X to the Z.
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wont be downloading it but will be buying it.
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#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip.
Not a good enough reason for me. The West Coast isn't doing well cause a lot of its artists right now are washed-up, has-beens, and their music is lackluster. If it's good music, I'll buy it. If not, then these cats might want to try doing new shit other than convincing people they still C-Walkin at Age 40.
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I downloaded it yesterday...
it's okay.... I don't know if I wanna get it... I only spend my hard earned money if it's filled with good tracks
that's why I've only bought like 30 CD's in my life
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I wanna get this and Hitek when it drops
co-sign.
Yup, I agree with djkoast btw. I'm pretty sure the album will be worth the money...I may not like Concentrate but he made that song to have at least SOME commercial appeal. I think the rest of the album will be on a different level.
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#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right? Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip.
Not a good enough reason for me. The West Coast isn't doing well cause a lot of its artists right now are washed-up, has-beens, and their music is lackluster. If it's good music, I'll buy it. If not, then these cats might want to try doing new shit other than convincing people they still C-Walkin at Age 40.
And what about the other reasons? Are those good or bad reasons?
The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right? You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job. You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping. Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?
Crafty: Concentrate may not be your or my cup of tea but that are alot of people who do like songs like that. I think he has a pretty broad range of topics and approaches to tracks on here from mainstream/dance club track 'concentrate' to more concept type songs like Brown/Black and Thank You.
The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play. If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed. It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.
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^^^^True. I'm glad to see that there are still quite a lot of people (on this forum) who really care about the future of West Coast rap and who think of ways to better that future. Props 8)
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2 be real with you i probably wont buy it or download it and I think more then half of the catz that said they will buy it will be the first to download it when it leaks. Just real talk not a diss.
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2 be real with you i probably wont buy it or download it and I think more then half of the catz that said they will buy it will be the first to download it when it leaks. Just real talk not a diss.
No disrespect takin at all. If you don't fuck with Xzibits music then you dont fuck with his music. I can respect that. There are people who I feel the same way about just because I can't vibe with their music. Like Justin Timberlake, people are saying its a good album but I don't fuck with him. I haven't downloaded the album and I won't buy it either. Props for doing you.
I am hoping that the people who said they will buy it, in fact will go and buy it. Can't say one way or another if they will or not though. Xzibit did put in work for this album and he should be paid for his artistic work.
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Im convinced and im buying it, Albums are only $10 now days...not like 17 or 18 some years ago. ::)
I've always been a big supporter of Xzibit, i belive he can do way better than what he has put out in the past years. HOpefully one day, he'll make a classic album.
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^^^ I feel ya homie I fuck wit xzibit but havent bought his music since the Restless, Man vs Machine dayz X is nice though no doubt
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The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right?
Just cause YOU say it's quality? Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not. It's my green we're talkin bout here.
Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.
You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job. You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping. Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?
No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support. Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).
I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it. And I won't.
The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play. If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed. It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.
And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much? I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen. I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now. You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?
The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month. He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.
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The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right?
Just cause YOU say it's quality? Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not. It's my green we're talkin bout here.
Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.
You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job. You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping. Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?
No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support. Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).
I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it. And I won't.
The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play. If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed. It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.
And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much? I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen. I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now. You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?
The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month. He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.
X did not always talk about thuggin mean muggin and crippin. He actually lost fans doing that because they knew that is not him. But I can see your point. Some artists are not worth the money to spend on them. And I am actually more critical of a artist now if they shit is weak and I paid money on them. But if the shit is dope I will shell out the money. Xzibit is one of those artists to me so I will do it. But yeah if you aint bringing the heat you either get the frisbee treatment or albumbase.com ;D
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Just cause YOU say it's quality? Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not. It's my green we're talkin bout here.
I said its not lackluster. I never told you anything other then that. See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music. I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not. We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.
No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support. Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).
Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks? I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you. That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention. More like a general statement.
And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much? I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen. I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now. You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?
The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month. He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.
I never said it is going to change the game THAT much. What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years. People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.
You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics? To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump. I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track. That is just based on songs I've heard.
Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit. Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.
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The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right?
Just cause YOU say it's quality? Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not. It's my green we're talkin bout here.
Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.
You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job. You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping. Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?
No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support. Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).
I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it. And I won't.
The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play. If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed. It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.
And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much? I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen. I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now. You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?
The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month. He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.
i can guarentee you that he touches on a wide variety of topics on full circle.
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I said its not lackluster. I never told you anything other then that. See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music. I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not. We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.
Maybe not, but I can still be objective and put myself beyond taste when determining whether an album is quality or not. There are a lot of artists who I think make quality music even though I don't listen to them much.
Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks? I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you. That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention. More like a general statement.
I've heard what's been available on DubCC. I'm sorry to say there's really nothing that got my attention.
I never said it is going to change the game THAT much. What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years. People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.
First of all, "Laugh Now, Cry Later" sure as hell hasn't had any impact on the game. The only impact it had was on Cube's career cause it proved to his fans that he can still make dope music. But it sure as hell ain't gonna change much for West Coast rap or hip-hop as a whole - after all, 90% of the people who bought the album are his fans who would've bought it had it dropped on a major or independently. I think it's cool he made a good album and went Gold independently, but it says far more far about him than it does about the state of hip-hop.
Second, you missed my point. My point is that the direction in which you say Xzibit's album MIGHT push the game is not the direction I have in mind.
You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics? To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump. I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track. That is just based on songs I've heard.
And you're not biased? You're obviously a fan. I have nothing against X; I think he has a wicked flow and I liked "Restless" as much as anyone else on here. It's just that I don't see this album as being any more worthy of my attention than his last two, which I didn't like.
Those are topics plenty of other rappers have rapped about, and unless he does them exceptionally well with exceptional production, I don't see why I should give a fuck. At the end of the day, "Full Circle" is still a West Coast hardcore/gangsta album, is it not? I don't need to have heard it to know he ain't on no Ras Kass or Murs-type shit.
Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit. Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.
Xzibit and Cube do not meet the qualifications for artists who I want to see talking about "different things"...cause both of them are West Coast thugs who rap about the thug-life in the West. On the other hand, I been a fan of Cube for a while cause I dig his style, whereas X just doesn't appeal to me as much.
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I will probably end up buying it, just not right now. I am a big X fan, but for some reason I was 10x more excited for Man Vs. Machine & W.O.M.D. (2 albums that i would rank in his top 3, behind 40 dayz and 40 nightz). Maybe, this is because the songs that have leaked have been average at best. And that is half the album, the other half is to be near flawless 4 me 2 like it as much as the 1s I previously mentioned. And that is not 2 say, I won't buy the cd, just the mindset I have going in to it. I wish him the best, and I hope it does good sales wise, because I agree that hip-hop would be in a much better state if we had more brave souls like Cube & X, and dropped on an independent label.
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I downloaded it yesterday...
it's okay.... I don't know if I wanna get it... I only spend my hard earned money if it's filled with good tracks
that's why I've only bought like 30 CD's in my life
True, true
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I said its not lackluster. I never told you anything other then that. See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music. I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not. We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.
Maybe not, but I can still be objective and put myself beyond taste when determining whether an album is quality or not. There are a lot of artists who I think make quality music even though I don't listen to them much.
Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks? I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you. That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention. More like a general statement.
I've heard what's been available on DubCC. I'm sorry to say there's really nothing that got my attention.
I never said it is going to change the game THAT much. What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years. People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.
First of all, "Laugh Now, Cry Later" sure as hell hasn't had any impact on the game. The only impact it had was on Cube's career cause it proved to his fans that he can still make dope music. But it sure as hell ain't gonna change much for West Coast rap or hip-hop as a whole - after all, 90% of the people who bought the album are his fans who would've bought it had it dropped on a major or independently. I think it's cool he made a good album and went Gold independently, but it says far more far about him than it does about the state of hip-hop.
Second, you missed my point. My point is that the direction in which you say Xzibit's album MIGHT push the game is not the direction I have in mind.
You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics? To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump. I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track. That is just based on songs I've heard.
And you're not biased? You're obviously a fan. I have nothing against X; I think he has a wicked flow and I liked "Restless" as much as anyone else on here. It's just that I don't see this album as being any more worthy of my attention than his last two, which I didn't like.
Those are topics plenty of other rappers have rapped about, and unless he does them exceptionally well with exceptional production, I don't see why I should give a fuck. At the end of the day, "Full Circle" is still a West Coast hardcore/gangsta album, is it not? I don't need to have heard it to know he ain't on no Ras Kass or Murs-type shit.
Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit. Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.
Xzibit and Cube do not meet the qualifications for artists who I want to see talking about "different things"...cause both of them are West Coast thugs who rap about the thug-life in the West. On the other hand, I been a fan of Cube for a while cause I dig his style, whereas X just doesn't appeal to me as much.
Um actually Cube's album had a major impact on hip hop. To the point where Forbes magazine had a huge write up on him and his latest album. I don't think you are looking at the big picture. This is showing hip hoppers that they can go independent and still move units/make alot of cash. Alot of people have been going independent but not any of them have hit gold in this day and age. For a time when no one is selling period, to see a guy on an independent go gold is crazy.
Ice Cube does more then just talk about westcoast thug life shit...did you listen to his album at all? Xzibit's new album has a number of issues he speaks on that dont fall under the thug life in the west title you gave him.
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Just downloaded it. When this shit come out? Ive always like X so im pretty sure imma buy it reguardless
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Um actually Cube's album had a major impact on hip hop. To the point where Forbes magazine had a huge write up on him and his latest album. I don't think you are looking at the big picture. This is showing hip hoppers that they can go independent and still move units/make alot of cash. Alot of people have been going independent but not any of them have hit gold in this day and age. For a time when no one is selling period, to see a guy on an independent go gold is crazy.
Nope, if you believe that you're being idealistic. Cube went Gold because has a huge fan base who were going to buy the album provided it was good and being hyped enough. It's not like the album produced any hits or anything. Cube simply made a good business choice...he had a good idea of how many fans he had and how much he could sell, and he decided to put the album out himself so that he could get all of the $$$$ instead of giving most of it to the label.
But don't get it twisted...just cause Cube did it doesn't mean ANYONE can do it. This is the kinda thing you're almost certainly never gonna see again in the future.
Ice Cube does more then just talk about westcoast thug life shit...did you listen to his album at all? Xzibit's new album has a number of issues he speaks on that dont fall under the thug life in the west title you gave him.
It doesn't matter...the classification for their music is still "West Coast gangsta/hardcore rap", is it not? Do we not have enough of that kind of music already? The fact that there's a little bit of diversity in subject matter doesn't amount to much. At the end of the day, Cube and X are still making basically the same style of music that has been made by the West for the past 20 years now, and that isn't really contributing anything new or innovative to hip-hop.
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Nope, if you believe that you're being idealistic. Cube went Gold because has a huge fan base who were going to buy the album provided it was good and being hyped enough. It's not like the album produced any hits or anything. Cube simply made a good business choice...he had a good idea of how many fans he had and how much he could sell, and he decided to put the album out himself so that he could get all of the $$$$ instead of giving most of it to the label.
Um ya it did. It proved to hip hop that if you have a core fan base you don't need a major label if you work hard and push your own product. Guys like Method Man, Redman, Nas, etc could benefit from it. I am sure are afraid they won't make money but Cube proved otherwise.
Where do you live? Cuz 'Go to Church' was pretty big in the clubs and 'Why We Thugs' got heavy rotation on LA radio/BET/MTV
But don't get it twisted...just cause Cube did it doesn't mean ANYONE can do it. This is the kinda thing you're almost certainly never gonna see again in the future.
True, not anyone can do it. Only vets who have a solid fan base like the people mentioned above. Guys like Method Man could do it if they wanted to work hard at promoting themselves.
It doesn't matter...the classification for their music is still "West Coast gangsta/hardcore rap", is it not? Do we not have enough of that kind of music already? The fact that there's a little bit of diversity in subject matter doesn't amount to much. At the end of the day, Cube and X are still making basically the same style of music that has been made by the West for the past 20 years now, and that isn't really contributing anything new or innovative to hip-hop.
I am sorry but just because the classification for their music falls under that doesn't mean that is the only thing they talk about. That somewhat corny to even bring up. Do we not have enough of that? I wish we had more Laugh Now Cry Later albums coming out of the westcoast. I am looking forward to Snoop's "west coast gangsta/hard rap" Blue Carpet treatment.
The last part is like you saying 'Nas isnt really contributing anything new to hip hop, he is still rhyming about stuff Rakim did almost 20 years ago' I mean Dilated has been making the same kind of music that we heard from people like Native Tongues all the years ago. Of course westcoast hip hop is going to talk about westcoast things. Of course Snoop is going to talk about Long Beach and Xzibit is going to talk about esses.
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You guys both have good points. X and Cube have been known to make "Gangsta Rap" in their music but is that to say you cannot make other types of songs and you stick to that? I could care less about where you want to put a artist category wise, as long as they are speaking about something that matters that in itself shows they are not a 1 dimensional artist. Do I think Cube's success as a indie was big? For the west coast it is, but the general public will look at it as he is supposed to succeed with all that movie money. The artist that actually go gold on Koch or other indies is slim at best. Where Cube made it work for him is he signed a A&R/Promotional firm to help with promotion. Also he had help from his distributor. If anything Cube laid down the blueprint. But all this "classify a artist" talk is why we can't get anywhere. We are right back to where we started. Gangsta rap gets the nod over backpack rap. Xzibit helped to bridge that alot. We need to support the real hip hop, gangsta or backpack or whatever.
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You guys both have good points. X and Cube have been known to make "Gangsta Rap" in their music but is that to say you cannot make other types of songs and you stick to that? I could care less about where you want to put a artist category wise, as long as they are speaking about something that matters that in itself shows they are not a 1 dimensional artist. Do I think Cube's success as a indie was big? For the west coast it is, but the general public will look at it as he is supposed to succeed with all that movie money. The artist had actually go gold on Koch or other indies is slim at best. Where Cube made it work for him is he signed a A&R/Promotional firm to help with promotion. Also he had help from his distributor. If anything Cube laid down the blueprint. But all this "classify a artist" talk is why we can't get anywhere. We are right back to where we started. Gangsta rap gets the nod over backpack rap. Xzibit helped to bridge that alot. We need to support the real hip hop, gangsta or backback or whatever.
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That is what I am saying. Just because the general public paints it as just 'gangsta rap' doesn't mean the only thing they talk about is banging on wax and shooting fools. Everything in this country needs a simple label for consumers but alot of those are not dead on. Immortal Technique falls under 'backpack rap' but has just as much 'gangsta shit' in his music as Cube or Xzibit.
Cube made it work by being in control of his own product. Sure he has a great movie career and is a star. Xzibit has a film career and Method Man has been in a number of movies also. So they can help use that to translate back to music. Most people go the opposite route and use Hip Hop to get intot he movies. Cube hustled with music and got into movies and then it working the system the other way and using his star power to put out his records independent. Both have core fanbases that will support them...as you can see by this very thread.
We need to support good music and fucka 'westcoast gangsta music' label fareal because that is not the only thing they talk about. Being raised in LA and living in Southern California my whole life gangs are very much apart of the area and that is why it comes up. Same reason why the beach and marijuana we have is always mentioned.
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I like what Cube and X and even DPG to a point are doing on the indie tip. I also want to see some young mcs succeed in the game. Glasses, SAS, Bishop, even Game. The more success across the board we have, the better it is as a whole for the west. Look what E-40 has been able to do in the Bay.
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lol any nigga that dont hear the album these days before buying is a dumbass. the industry is flooded with so much garbage. this cd is solid tho. I DID download it and I WILL buy it.
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this cd is good, but I was forcing myself to listen to it...
rather than a great cd which carries you through because you wanna keep listening
only problem with this is the repetitive Jelly Roll beats...
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I've bought 3 X albums and the SAS dvd, not to mention all the people I've introduced X to and they bought an album. I have done my fair share of supporting Xzibit. I won't buy this one. I'm listening to it right now for the first time and its really not all that good, I expected much better. I can't see myself listening to this more than 3 times, so definately not worth buying.
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Um ya it did. It proved to hip hop that if you have a core fan base you don't need a major label if you work hard and push your own product. Guys like Method Man, Redman, Nas, etc could benefit from it. I am sure are afraid they won't make money but Cube proved otherwise.
No, it proves that if you have a BIG core fan base, you can benefit from it. But it's probably a safe bet that if you can't push Gold sales on a major label (which Method Man has shown he can't), you aren't going to move a whole lot more (if ANY more) units going the independent route. Nas and Cube have consistently sold Gold or better with every release, so yeah, it's a fair bet that the independent route is good for them provided they know how to market themselves and make good business decisions (here, Nas has proven less competent compared to Cube).
Where do you live? Cuz 'Go to Church' was pretty big in the clubs and 'Why We Thugs' got heavy rotation on LA radio/BET/MTV
I live in the Dirty-Dirty. I think "Go To Church" got some rotation here (cause Southern niggas will always give you a spin if you got Lil Jon on the track), but "Why We Thugs" most definitely did not.
Not to mention that I don't remember seeing either of those songs make a dent on the Billboard charts, which doesn't necesarily mean nobody was bumpin them, just that it was probably Cube fans more than anything else.
True, not anyone can do it. Only vets who have a solid fan base like the people mentioned above. Guys like Method Man could do it if they wanted to work hard at promoting themselves.
I'm sorry to say, Method Man is not one of them cats I think could do it.
I am sorry but just because the classification for their music falls under that doesn't mean that is the only thing they talk about. That somewhat corny to even bring up. Do we not have enough of that? I wish we had more Laugh Now Cry Later albums coming out of the westcoast. I am looking forward to Snoop's "west coast gangsta/hard rap" Blue Carpet treatment.
I'm sorry to say it, but I honestly don't look forward to any more "Laugh Now, Cry Later" or "Blue Carpet Treatment"-type albums coming from anybody except Cube and Snoop. I'm much more interested in seeing new cats who are more like Jurassic-5 or Murs or anyone of the sort. The West has been stuck on gangsta mode and almost universally refuses to support its "alternative"/conscious artists for almost 20 years now. It's time to move on. I'll always love the classic G-Funk records, but refusing to move past the gangsta mentality is the reason why the West fell off in the first place - it just kept putting out the same type of music again and again, and people outside of the West just got tired of it.
The last part is like you saying 'Nas isnt really contributing anything new to hip hop, he is still rhyming about stuff Rakim did almost 20 years ago' I mean Dilated has been making the same kind of music that we heard from people like Native Tongues all the years ago. Of course westcoast hip hop is going to talk about westcoast things. Of course Snoop is going to talk about Long Beach and Xzibit is going to talk about esses.
LOL, where did that Nas example come from? Nas' music is consistently fresh (even when it's over-indulgent, like on "Street's Disciple") and creative.
The problem I have is how every new rapper to come out of L.A. always wants to claim he's a Crip or a Blood and brag about banging. It's not like I have a problem with it per se, just the fact that it's just about the ONLY shit West Coast rappers talk about, and have been talking about for two decades straight now. I mean, Chicago is known for its People/Folk rivalries, yet you don't here a zillion Chi-Town rappers calling out their sets all the time - there's far more diversity, from Kanye and Common to Twista and Do Or Die.
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No, it proves that if you have a BIG core fan base, you can benefit from it. But it's probably a safe bet that if you can't push Gold sales on a major label (which Method Man has shown he can't), you aren't going to move a whole lot more (if ANY more) units going the independent route. Nas and Cube have consistently sold Gold or better with every release, so yeah, it's a fair bet that the independent route is good for them provided they know how to market themselves and make good business decisions (here, Nas has proven less competent compared to Cube).
Method man does have a core fan base. He sold 200k units with no video and no radio spins. 200k on an independent is good money. Look at Cormega, he sells half that and is living much better then you and I. Every Method Man album except the last one has gone platnium or gold. Even his one before 4:21 went gold with very little promotion. So, you are wrong in that regard.
I live in the Dirty-Dirty. I think "Go To Church" got some rotation here (cause Southern niggas will always give you a spin if you got Lil Jon on the track), but "Why We Thugs" most definitely did not.
Go To Church is on hitsdailydouble.com as one of the top radio tracks DJs like to play. So again, you are wrong in that regard. Just because something is not a hit in your town doesn't mean its not a hit period.
Not to mention that I don't remember seeing either of those songs make a dent on the Billboard charts, which doesn't necesarily mean nobody was bumpin them, just that it was probably Cube fans more than anything else.
You should look again...
I'm sorry to say it, but I honestly don't look forward to any more "Laugh Now, Cry Later" or "Blue Carpet Treatment"-type albums coming from anybody except Cube and Snoop. I'm much more interested in seeing new cats who are more like Jurassic-5 or Murs or anyone of the sort. The West has been stuck on gangsta mode and almost universally refuses to support its "alternative"/conscious artists for almost 20 years now. It's time to move on. I'll always love the classic G-Funk records, but refusing to move past the gangsta mentality is the reason why the West fell off in the first place - it just kept putting out the same type of music again and again, and people outside of the West just got tired of it.
How are you speaking on the westcoast if you dont live out here? Murs, Living Legends, J-5, Dilated Peoples, Planet Asia etc all get support. If you went to any of their shows in California you would know that. Dilated gets spins on Power106 anytime they put a single out. The westcoast is buying those albums, its just that no one else is so thats why they stall at 40k-50k sold.
Although I do agree that alot of artists themselves are too stuck on what worked 10 years ago.
LOL, where did that Nas example come from? Nas' music is consistently fresh (even when it's over-indulgent, like on "Street's Disciple") and creative.
Nas is rapping the same way he has since Illmatic is my point. He hasn't switched it up very much other then he dropped the fake drug king pin ESCOBAR monkier.
The problem I have is how every new rapper to come out of L.A. always wants to claim he's a Crip or a Blood and brag about banging. It's not like I have a problem with it per se, just the fact that it's just about the ONLY shit West Coast rappers talk about, and have been talking about for two decades straight now. I mean, Chicago is known for its People/Folk rivalries, yet you don't here a zillion Chi-Town rappers calling out their sets all the time - there's far more diversity, from Kanye and Common to Twista and Do Or Die.
To me I also think that is corny but at the same time...alot of them have ties because they grew up in the hood. I agree its too repetitive. The other problem is that to people outside of Cali only call someone 'real' if they are backed by crips or bloods. As you can see the rest of the US is still obsessed with Crips and Bloods. There is blood sets in NYC!! You have crips in DC. Its crazy.
If we had a Kanye in LA pushing those other guys, someone who is super popular that could co-sign a piece of crap and get them attention, we would be more diverse to the public. As far as diversity goes...there is not a more diverse region then the westcoast. From hyphy to gangsta rap to underground to the djs to the political MCs....but if you dont follow westcoast hip hop closely they will fall through the crack for some crip or blood. Not that I am shit talking on MCs who claim affiliation cuz I listen to alot of them, just saying.
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West coast rap is diverse. You can't get more diverse than the Bay. They have every kind of style you can think of. Just because people do not listen to a certain type of rap or it does not sell as well or you don't want to listen to it does not mean it does not exist. Method Man did go plat, 2x plat and gold on his 1st 3 albums, the new one will not sell but there are other reasons for that (jay z).
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Someone gave me a negative "prop" point for this thread...pretty funny. I was at 16 but now I am at 15. I didn't realize Xzibit made people so mad. That or my comments made a certain poster mad...
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Someone gave me a negative "prop" point for this thread...pretty funny. I was at 16 but now I am at 15. I didn't realize Xzibit made people so mad. That or my comments made a certain poster mad...
id diss you if i could, just for complaining
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Someone gave me a negative "prop" point for this thread...pretty funny. I was at 16 but now I am at 15. I didn't realize Xzibit made people so mad. That or my comments made a certain poster mad...
id diss you if i could, just for complaining
Why can't you diss me? You can say whatever you want here. I was pretty much laughing at the situation about doods being salty towards Xzibit. If you think I am really that worried, I am not.
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Someone gave me a negative "prop" point for this thread...pretty funny. I was at 16 but now I am at 15. I didn't realize Xzibit made people so mad. That or my comments made a certain poster mad...
id diss you if i could, just for complaining
Why can't you diss me? You can say whatever you want here. I was pretty much laughing at the situation about doods being salty towards Xzibit. If you think I am really that worried, I am not.
i dont have enough posts
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Someone gave me a negative "prop" point for this thread...pretty funny. I was at 16 but now I am at 15. I didn't realize Xzibit made people so mad. That or my comments made a certain poster mad...
id diss you if i could, just for complaining
Why can't you diss me? You can say whatever you want here. I was pretty much laughing at the situation about doods being salty towards Xzibit. If you think I am really that worried, I am not.
i dont have enough posts
Oh you mean give me negative karma. I thought you meant say something slick towards me. Its all gravy, this thread is e-gold on dubcnn ;D