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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tanjential on December 14, 2006, 01:08:09 PM
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So like I've mentioned in some other posts, and like some old school cats here just know-My heavy interest in west coast rap declined severely in th 2002 and I went and became a stoner ass hippie until the Bay area rap movement's combination of San Francisco hippie culture and West Coast G-Funk brought me back to the fold. Now in 2002, everyone was still waiting for someone to sit in the throne that 2pac left so dusty.
Now I read that 'to make a king' article and I agree and disagree personally. Snoop IS the king of the west coast in many senses and I have NOTHING but love and respect for him but when Nasty and Hova talk about who's king, they mean a lyrical mean MC. the west coast has been in need of a representer in such a capacity since like 97. We were looking to Xzibit in 2000, but while restless was good it wasn't a me a against the world, you know? We were looking to crooked I and ras kass and defari but no one was dropping albums. We looked to Kurupt before that and his wallet told him it was more important to recreate "Nookie" than "Lyrical gangbang"..I didn't think it would happen. I didn't think what the Game was would happen...and it's such a Jesus ass soldier's story.....and I realize now why we didn't find him till so late: No one was willing to think a Blood could be THE lyrical representer for the Coast. It HAD to be a crip in so many's minds...even dre's I think...but we found ouir savior in the most unlikeliest of colors....It also contributes to snoop's unifying of the west...it's a new west...when i was listening to rap just 4 years ago i was NOT as okay as it is now for bloods and crips to blatantly be talking about blooding and cripping together even on wax. It's a beautiful thang.
So when the Game came out, I think I was really listening to Bob Dylan heavily (you want some brilliant rap? Download "Subterranean Homesick Blues" for some real talk, i think as brutal and intelligent of a commentary on society as anything N.W.A did) at the time and i didn't give a fuck who the game was because he was on songs with 50 and cats was rhyming thug with club again, rhyming hug with thuig and club and talking about cake-NOT real talk. I gave half a fuck what The Game was because all i heard was beef and 50 cent-No one TOLD me about Compton! No one TOLD me about LYRICISM. Noone TOLD me about HEAVY DRE PRODUCTION. All i heard was 50, clubs, and cake. And given how much disappointing rap had come out while I was sitting here with you cats waiting for someone like pac and the game to come along, can you blame me for not perking my ears up when this cat came out? But let me tell you, if I KNEW what the Game was when he came out you best believe the documentary woulda been sitting next to my copy of Highway 61 Revisited a LONG ass time ago. It trips me out what he is-he is EXACTLY what we had been waiting for. He fulfills a fucking prophecy he is such a pefect product. I actually often times when listening to him feel he is such a perfect product that he is very likely like a boy-band: a tailor made perfect product for a target audience. like dre was reading our discussions for years tryng to figure out what we would like best. He's a rap geek just like us! He talks about the same shit that we do! Same heroes we got! he considers the same shit classic that we do. he's the ultimate rap geek....do we have any reason to believe he wasn't on this forum in 2002? He's too perfect.
So yeah, I didn't know what was up with the game. Then I started working at starbucks and met this real cool cat Chris who I would say is about 33 percent responsible for getting me back into rap (the other 66 percent going to my homey sam who put me up on Mac Dre) was real surprised when my long haired hippie ass knew every word to 'cyco-lic-no' when he'd be bumping it out of his little phone as we washed dishes and shit "don't you listen to the beatles or led zeppelin or some shit?" My repy- "Dre the dude who discovered K-U-R-U-P-T first laced him over a Led zeppelin drum beat on lyrical gangbang dude." and over bong tokes he showed me a shitload of underground game shit where Jaycean or whatever rips it the fuck up. Still I stuck to my classic rock for the most part and walked away knowing the Game was a dope lyricist. Then my best friend David, a friend that greatly fueled my interest in cats ranging from Tool to Bob Dylan, got the Hurricanes and I learned the Game was CPT and my ears started to perk. Still I was sleepin'...then right around the time I got into mac dre and the bay hyphy thizz, Advocate dropped and i very quickly read up on the beef and am infuriated- After how perfect of a prophecy the game is...dre and em stick with 50 over game? Money, it's all money and I always thought dre and em were the entrepreneurs that wanted to find the balance between artistic accomplishment and sales but FUCK man. Fuck that. 50 is such garbage but I'm sure it was some kind of horrendous pressureful push on interscope's part when dre stuck with 50 over game...JESUS though....
Of course, it's never that simple. here's some food for thought: My friend Sam, dude who showed me mac dre, was telling me that since mac dre died and e-40 has been shouting him out alot, alot of Thizz entertainment cats have been kinda hating on 40 as they're claiming that e-40 wasn't claiming affiliation with mac dre NEARLY as much when he was alive as now that he's dead (they did a few songs together but they're from opposite sides of Vallejo). In other words, thizz cats are saying 40 is capitalizing off of mac dreezy's death and that he could have helped thizz blow the fuck up while mac dre was alive if he was really that close to them. My friend Sam, who is a hardcore e40 and macdre fan said that the way he saw it, E-40 kept his affiliation with mac dre to a minimum while mac dre was a live because he knew mac dre could blow up off of his own clout. E-40 knew mac dre was his own shit and didn't want anybody to perceive him as just 40's little buddy-respecting his respective pimpin'. The way I see it, Dre knew there needed to be a lyrical representer on the west coast, knew there needed to be a Game (and it didn't hurt that that this cat reps the CPT) so he mentored game to bring back the west (like Dre said in Deeezz Nuuutzz-"Things will remain the same until I change them.") Now, unavoidably, the game's repping really hard so he's gonna get attacked really hard. Dre knows that if the Game is really going to respectably rep the West he can't just be a dre protege-He has to be his own man-Like Pac-Pac is not associated with a certain producer-Even snoop is associated with certain producers very heavilyn (namely dre) but pac? universal man, he can get banging beats all up and down the coast all left and right the nation-The Game has to be like that too so that no one can say his dopeness is reliant on anyone else. So while I wish dre was on doctor's advocate, i see that for the prophecy to be fulfilled it had to be done. it's fucking Biblical in scope, prodigal son shit. It's Epic greek in scope! Some Oedipus shit, going into exile still doing your thing you feel?
I notice though, a few things about the game and dre situation-
Anyone else notice how the tide has been turned in regards to opinion on Dre's production credits since that Snoop interview with you guys where snoop HILARIOUSLY said "That shit says PRODUCED by, not 'brought in the beat by'" in regards to daz and warren g getting credit stolen in the DR days? In a warren g interview he even says "I ain't takin' no credit from dre, the nigga's a genius"...A few years ago when i was hanging around her-motherfuckers couldn't WAIT to take credit from dre" Now since snoop got real real in that interview he said shit like dre produced more of dogg food than most people think, I've read that he's had more of a hand in warren's albums than some of us think (the original next episode sounding just like runnin wit no breaks along with dre's protege lamont ALL the fuck over warren's shit, warren INSISTING that dre is gonna be on various projects that we never saw dre's name on like 213 and such)-That said, I know I haven't been around but when i think jelly roll i think of tha last meal and crazy weird funky shit...NOT subtle piano funk with hard ass Dre like drums....I think it's perfectly possible that dre did work on advocate but just was willing to take his name off of it due to the drama. Why else would daz shout out dre like that on that track? A possible counter-argument could be that the Game has kind of made Advocate a celebration of dre's legacy and influence so even if they're not rapping on dre tracks per se, everything they are doing can be traced back to dre and maybe even a feisty hard headed dude like Daz has gotten old and wise enough to admit it.
Regardless, I look at The Doctor's Advocate as a parallel to the Slim Shady LP: A brilliant album by a brilliant dre protege letting the world know that dre's creepin' on a come up and implies that this protege will be integral to the awesomeness of said forthcoming dre project. i think they could be cool as fuck with each other right now and they just gotta keep collaboration on the low at the moment due to recent drama.
I have one more thought to share on the Game before I end this post: I read about people criticizing him for the change of heart show thing. I talked to Chris, the guy that showed me howm dope the game was, and he said that he saw it as legitimate because anyone would wanna get on TV or whatever and that it's not especially soft of him to be doing that show. I want to say that it's not the issue of him being soft that is raised by the TV show appearance but it just makes you think...okay he was like 17 or 18 or whatever and WHAT exactly is he spending his time doing? According to his albums, he was spending his time banging on the streets of compton but now we have reason to believe he was standing in lines in LA trying to have fun on TV shows which IS a completely legiitimate thing to do but not exactly the standard activity of someone who's supposed to be struggling in the street life. Chris responded to that by saying "well he was like 17 or 18 maybe he wasn't that deep into the gang yet, or maybe he would gangbang when he went out at night or.." but I'm saying is there such thing as a real "weekend gangsta"? Oh it's Friday night, better grab my red rag and a gat....really though? I'm hearing now that BF100 a certified blood is claiming that the Game's gangster backstory is lifted from his gangster backstory. The Game revealed to be spending his time in hollywood studios not compton back alleys and he is the absolute most perfect product that has ever been made for US. And when he debuted he was marketed with 50 and Gunit to make g unit a bi coastal Gangsta rap representation for optimal profits on all front. In other words, what i'm getting at, is, I think it is perfectly possible that the Game, as we know him, is a fabrication of Jimmy Iovine and Dr.Dre-BUT I don't care. i could half a fuck if the guys I listen to actually shoot people-I want my 17.99]'s worth when I go to the store. I couldn't believe Crooked I in this interview I read with you guys the other day, Crooked I says something like "Oh the damage I could do to snoop's credibility.." What kind of stupid ASS shit is that to say? A) You're being just as negative as you're criticizing snoop for being and saying that and B) You and the guy who filmed the Rodney King beating can give me a tape of snoop doggy dogg in 1992 giving head to a dude and Doggystyle would STILL be doper than your non existent ass album and Doggystyle would STILL be a classic as album. Michael jackson molested kids? Ain't that a bitch....guess I'll throw away my copy of thriller? nah, dope music is dope music RE-FUCKING-GARDLESS of GUNS. And west coast music will be for the better once music is the focus and not 'realness'. dope music is real. I'm not saying the game is fake. I'm saying it's possible that he is and that furthermore, it shouldn't matter because the product with his name on it? It's dope.
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i dont read fuckin novels on the internet or in real life for that matter
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Good read, but I don't agree with all you said, there's no prophecy to me, westcoast will never be on top again, and game, as much as i like his album which i think bangs hard, he's not saying much, and he's not very credible. But he got shot and sold drugs, so much rapper did the same, so i think yes he is gangsta, but he was something else before, something completely opposite to gangsterism. But I could care less, like you said dope music is dope music. I wish he could be more lyrical or drop less name, but i'll take him as he is, a good entertainer doing good music, but not the best there is
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our savior??????? are you fucc'n kidd'n me,yall place mere mortals as your gods,because they can rap?????? and not even super lyrical? hahahahahahahahahahaa, what happen to saying that cat right there is dope,i'm buying his music, he's the "dopest" cat out,whats up with all this savior talk????? fans need to come bacc down to earth yell
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I only read the first paragraph but come on man Game's appeal is in his mic presence and the beats he chooses, how many times he gonna say Dre, Compton, Dre, 6-4, Dre, Chronic, Dre, Snoop, Dre, Khaki's, Dre, Chucks, Dre etc. If Game is the west coast saviour then Hip Hop really is dead.
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In the sense that he's lyrical(if not the most lyrical), and is high profile. There are rappers doper than Pac but they weren't in the position to do what pac did just like there are rappers on the west better than Game that are not in the position to do what he does. What the Game does artistically is a perfect product-his albums are statements that are speculation and analysis about the rap game. It's meta cognition at its best. Also he's like a rap mega-man-anyone that is established that he raps with, he adapts to their style it's actually a really impressive poetic device. On the song with Eminem, he describes himself ind etroit homesick and he proceeds to emulate Em's style "I came/ion this game/...etc.." his rhythm and delivery all of the sudden amalgamates into Em's style. On Advocate he INTENTIONALLY sounds VOCALLY like dr.Dre-it's a statement dogg. it's homage, he's saying "I'm about to be to the MCing aspect of hip hop what Dre is to the djing aspect of hip hop." It's homage, it's an artistic statement. It's not all about flipping lines, it's about your work in CONTEXT. Look at the big picture. On Blue carpet, he sets himself in a scene in long beach and proceeds to rap stylistically and simply like Snoop "just dippn, one blood one crippn" all the sudden he drops his lyricisim down to snoop's level-he ADAPTS, he'sm a fucking chameleon, rap megaman.it's not just about sylabbles dude. it's what you're doing artistically. Kid is perfect, whether it's him or Jimmy Iovine that's actually creating the shit, it's a DPG geeks dream, i feel.
In other words, he's not talking about gang life, he's talking about cats talking about the gang life and frankly that's as original as it gets when you're talking big names on the west. And hell yeah he's a savior, before Game when east coast heads would say we were wack what the fuck could we say? "Well we got this guy Crooked I he's dope as fuck, he may drop an album some day...." Plezbalev he's the west coast savior, when I was listening to WC rap before game my best bet was to hope for Kurupt's once a month, you dig?
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I GOTTA disagree with that,constantly saying the s ame thing over and over,is nothing to praise,and sounding like somebody else may prove to be profitable,but hip hop was based off of being original and dude for the most part is not that,it's just the take the easy way to make music approach that he's doing,now you are right about the position he's in as far as popularity,and world wide rec for the west,but fucc those east coast cats (not all of them just the certain ones) that said we didn't have no one,we always had lyricist,we just put one side over in the mainstream,but true hip hoppers no that wasn't the case,and when cats say that,to me thats a diss to everyone of them hip hop cats who rep the artform,especially alot of the cats at project blowed,it's a slap in the face to the ras kasses,the freestyle fellowships,the volume 10's,the gift of gabs,hiero's,etc. like i always say,more power to the brother for getting his chipper jones but there's no reason to defend the subpar and biting shit he does networth yell
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I wouldn't say what he does is biting, I think that is over-simplifying what he does. I would also disagree with saying his work is sub par.
On a track with Eminem, in his verse he sets himself in a scene in Detroit and then proceeds to do his own version of Em's style...i've never heard him come like Em anywhere else...dude ain't biting, he's paying respect. same thing with the snoop song. And in regards to how he mimics Dre's voice in Advocate-dude, he's taking the way dre raps and makes it dope. It's like he's saying "i'm so dope, I'll take Dre's rap style, the style of a cat who ain't even a rapper, and make it dope in homage to the cat." He's all about the Rap Game, that's why he's the Game. it's impressive to me on an artistic level because he is an ideal dre product: artistiscally worthwhile while still very marketable: he's a remarkable fabrication.
Cats who rep the artform? Honestly I've thought about this for a long time and it's like this for me man, those underground cats are sick poets but that's it-poets. I listen to Ras and Atmosphere and Hiero and other shit like that when it's time to sit and think, be filled with some knowledge to dig on some poetry, you know? But I listen to west coast rap music for a completely different reason and circumstance then when I want to experience some good poetry. I mean when I'm in the mood for some poetry I dig on some Allen Ginsberg, Rumi, Rimbaud, Baudelaire....you know? That's some shit that will provoke a worthwhile thought When I listen to WC rap I want some shit to get hyphy to. Some shit to smoke a blunt too. Some funky shit that will make me smile, make me entertained...game is a worthwhile product in that sense, more worthwhile than just about any other high profile cat on the west I can think of and his shit is mad lyrical if not the most lyrical.
No attack dude, I see what you mean. Those cats work hard, they need respect and I respect them but I guess I'm kind of referring to M Dogg's King of the coasts article. Peace-T
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I wouldn't say what he does is biting, I think that is over-simplifying what he does. I would also disagree with saying his work is sub par.
On a track with Eminem, in his verse he sets himself in a scene in Detroit and then proceeds to do his own version of Em's style...i've never heard him come like Em anywhere else...dude ain't biting, he's paying respect. same thing with the snoop song. And in regards to how he mimics Dre's voice in Advocate-dude, he's taking the way dre raps and makes it dope. It's like he's saying "i'm so dope, I'll take Dre's rap style, the style of a cat who ain't even a rapper, and make it dope in homage to the cat." He's all about the Rap Game, that's why he's the Game. it's impressive to me on an artistic level because he is an ideal dre product: artistiscally worthwhile while still very marketable: he's a remarkable fabrication.
Cats who rep the artform? Honestly I've thought about this for a long time and it's like this for me man, those underground cats are sick poets but that's it-poets. I listen to Ras and Atmosphere and Hiero and other shit like that when it's time to sit and think, be filled with some knowledge to dig on some poetry, you know? But I listen to west coast rap music for a completely different reason and circumstance then when I want to experience some good poetry. I mean when I'm in the mood for some poetry I dig on some Allen Ginsberg, Rumi, Rimbaud, Baudelaire....you know? That's some shit that will provoke a worthwhile thought When I listen to WC rap I want some shit to get hyphy to. Some shit to smoke a blunt too. Some funky shit that will make me smile, make me entertained...game is a worthwhile product in that sense, more worthwhile than just about any other high profile cat on the west I can think of and his shit is mad lyrical if not the most lyrical.
No attack dude, I see what you mean. Those cats work hard, they need respect and I respect them but I guess I'm kind of referring to M Dogg's King of the coasts article. Peace-T
Read your post and all your following comments. And I agree with most of what youre saying. BUT I dont necessarily think Game is quite there yet. But given his improvement over the last year, if his career keeps moving forward he has the potential to be to the West Coast, what Nas is to the East. But i think that is something that comes with age and time spent perfecting your craft. I'd say let dude chill for a couple years and perfect his craft, mature a little & get his mindset right, hook back up with Dre, and he will probably drop a Doggystyle, Chronic, or Illmatic. But like I said, he's not quite there yet, still gots some growing to do, but the potential is definitely there...
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I can only Imagine what the Doctor's Advocate would of been like if this whole 50/Game beef never happened :(
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game is not near deep enough to be havin this long ass discussion about him
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i dont read fuckin novels on the internet or in real life for that matter
lmao +1
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game is not near deep enough to be havin this long ass discussion about him
Yep.
Game is probably the LEAST interesting rapper on the West right now upon "further scrutiny" and "deep analysis" and such.
I find Game to be most tolerable when I don't try to take anything he says seriously, because, really, as you admit, his whole m.o. is studio manufactured from the get-go. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to listen to his music from a content standpoint -- the only thing he has going for him is style. And style, of course, is completely subjective. I prefer Snoop and the 90s Death Row members' more relaxed style on the mic. You seem to prefer Game's, and good for you. I'm glad you get enjoyment out of it. But, please, don't come in here and say Game is the westcoast SAVIOR based on some subjective preference for his style of rapping. That's asanine.
I know you're going to argue that Game has at least an inkling of content in him, so, let me just take preventitive measures and say -- tell me a SINGLE Game verse that is as socially relevant as the music NWA and ICE CUBE solo were making content-wise in the late 80s and early 90s.
I await your response. :D
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damn, that shit was super long. how long that take ya 2 write
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Okay, when I say savior all i fucking mean is The Game fulfills every desire that people on this very forum has for the west coast four years ago when i was last here. All you cats disagreeing with me I guess weren't around then, that's fine. I mean he's a figurehead to look to when people try to say that west coast isn't at all about lyrics. He's representing for the west really hard and bringing activity buzz, to a west that needs it. I also was over the top in stating him as savior to accentuate how ridiculously crafted of a fabrication he is, or I find him to be.
Also, how does anything I said lead people to believe I like his style more than snoop and the other laid back dpg shit? I'm a stoner that's my shit but those guys just weren't doing anything lyrically-the Game comes nice. i think you guys like to understate how nicely he comes cause a)he's young b) people feel cool when they're not impressed by commercially popular acts but dude comes nice and that's coming from a dude who didn't give a fuck about him the first two years of his presence on the scene.
Also, I'm not saying he's a successor in lyrical content to NWA or anything like that. I'm saying he's a west coast figurehead, a west coast lyricist with high profile production and a direction of a kind...exactly what everyone that I was talking to on this forum was saying the west needed to bring some buzz to the coast. I was just observing that it's crazy to me that after I left the rap scene oor whateever, a product so ready for this demographic appeared in the way that he did. I'm just having the discussion you guys had in 04 or 05 or whatever and if you don't want to participate in my novels or whatever than don't but there's no reason to say I'm stood because of the way i see this cats art. And it's spelled asinine. -T
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tangent!! its your boy the narrator
anyway,
i think dre worked with game for his album but kept his name off due to the drama too. "da shit", "lookin at you", and "one night" have dre written all over them
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and bang. damn....what's up! Is Jake dogg still around or what?
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and bang. damn....what's up! Is Jake dogg still around or what?
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yea he is, he posts under Don Jacob now...
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?action=profile;u=2550
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All i got to say is.. Dresta - Why Me?
Dresta going real hard on game on this track 8)
Game can't fuck with Dresta
Game Over
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^If you're an NBA All-Star you don't need to ball with some streetball nigga either
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fuckin word on the post right before this one.
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All you cats disagreeing with me I guess weren't around then,
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I'm 24. I've been reading this board for six years now. I was around. I remember Big Jake Dogg and the rest, even if I didn't register to the board, I was here.
Post a Game verse from one of his albums that is what you call lyrically nice.
IMO, his best songs are the disses to G-Unit. He's in his element when he's battling.
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All I was saying with that comment about people being around here then is that based on what I gathered in my time here, Game is a well made product for this demographic. I don't need to a post a verse for that to be a valid thought. -T
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Dude, that's a lot of writing you've done, and i gotta say that even though i read all of it, i think you're crazy. Game is cool and all, but like everyone else said, his shit is repetitive and he's really not on Pac's or for that matter on many other West coast rappers' level. Yeah, he sells but i think you're taking this shit too seriously. It's just the music business. There's plenty cats who could be selling like game if they had the "perfect" image, which you pointed out correctly
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100% Agreed. I love outside the box perspective threads like this.
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damnnn this nigga wrote an essay
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Re-reading what I wrote, I made a hint that Game will be the king, and I think that it is true. Game is the perfect representative of the west.
Welcome to the city of G's
Where we eat fried chicken, rice, and black-eyed peas
Fans got us in-the-scope/Interscope, like Jimmy Iovine
Cause we +Ruthless+, like Will before the +Black Eyed Peas+
Fuck all rappers, look at all the hate I see
I'm sick, you can't get rid of me, I'm HIV
Nigga get another job, hip-hop is not hirin
I'm the reason Dre feel comfortable retirin
I just might put out "Detox" myself
Smoke so much, I check in detox myself
One man army, took out Reeboks myself
Fortyfive in my khakis gotta watch my health
I'm so hard nigga, glock 17 quick draw nigga
Like the old me, 17, sippin malt liquor
All black khaki suit, all black Converse
Nigga I'ma keep on stompin comin +Straight Outta+
I have some critisms for him, but at the sametime, I think Snoop is mentoring the kid well. Game is a young king in the making, and unlike anyother king, it looks like the old king is helping the new king. Cube never helped 'Pac, 'Pac was dead and Snoop ran, Snoop cameback, and now is helping Game. Let the kid grow, he is everything we've been asking for. Listen to Doctor's Advocate and tell me his not a throwback to '93 in a updated form. Like Kanye is a throwback to real hip-hop with an updated sound, Game is a throwback to '90-94 westcoast hip-hop, his perfect to lead the west.
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I think that games skills are only going to get better and better. hate it or love it the game is a beast on the mic and can rap without the name drops as much as with them. Everybody has their own opinion about an artist. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME CREATING THESE TOPICS AND WRITING THESE LONG ASS COMMENTS ABOUT AN ARTIST. ITS FUCK EVERYBODY OPINION BUT MINE JUST LIKE IT SHOULD BE FUCK EVERYBODY OPINION BUT YOURS. REAL TALK!
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Welcome back. You were always a good poster back in the day.
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I am with M Dogg's comments, not the dopest ever but a great "leader" in the sense that his King article implies.
game is a throwback, a rap geek. He comes nice too man. I thought that verse that M dogg posted was dope and everything I've heard on his mixtapes is even tighter...and in reference to someone saying:
"he's really not on Pac's or for that matter on many other West coast rappers' level"
I don't know how one would be on Pac's level...people don't rap like Pac, Pac rap likes Pac but if you're talking skill in the gangsta rap arena on the west coast than the game is at least on the level of anyone though I will admit he's not necessarily the dopest.
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was gonna start a new thread but since it's just more thoughts on game, figured would just bump this one.
Just copped Documentary and like I said about that rap megaman shit, he does that shit with 50 on 'how we do'-takes 50's style and runs with it....however it;s different when he does it with 50...when he does that shit with em, snoop, others it's like homage...with 50 it's like he's exposing how simple 50's shit is because on that song, he takes 50's style and makes it doper than 50 does, probably another reason 50 became negative towards game. Game even says some shit like 'im like killin niggas on they own songs' or soome shit like that.
SEVEN fucking Dre beats? Good God, seriously can someone answer me the following question: when is the last time dre laced someone with 7 beats? DAMN.
The song higher-I was initially disappointed with dre's beat when I was driving listening to the song, it felt simple and dumb. this morning I had the song in the house while I got ready for work and i was hyphy as fuck, realizing it's a club banger and not a ride cruiser....this thread will be my personal journey in learning about game and shit because I'm seeing you guys already went through all the phases I'm goping through so late cause I just heard about him in the last couple months, more recently even than hearing about mac dre. maybe I'll end up hating him like detoxisnotcoming, btw, what the fuck was detoxisnotcomings name before detoxisnotcoming?
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i dont read fuckin novels on the internet or in real life for that matter
lmao +1
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Re-reading what I wrote, I made a hint that Game will be the king, and I think that it is true. Game is the perfect representative of the west.
Welcome to the city of G's
Where we eat fried chicken, rice, and black-eyed peas
Fans got us in-the-scope/Interscope, like Jimmy Iovine
Cause we +Ruthless+, like Will before the +Black Eyed Peas+
Fuck all rappers, look at all the hate I see
I'm sick, you can't get rid of me, I'm HIV
Nigga get another job, hip-hop is not hirin
I'm the reason Dre feel comfortable retirin
I just might put out "Detox" myself
Smoke so much, I check in detox myself
One man army, took out Reeboks myself
Fortyfive in my khakis gotta watch my health
I'm so hard nigga, glock 17 quick draw nigga
Like the old me, 17, sippin malt liquor
All black khaki suit, all black Converse
Nigga I'ma keep on stompin comin +Straight Outta+
I have some critisms for him, but at the sametime, I think Snoop is mentoring the kid well. Game is a young king in the making, and unlike anyother king, it looks like the old king is helping the new king. Cube never helped 'Pac, 'Pac was dead and Snoop ran, Snoop cameback, and now is helping Game. Let the kid grow, he is everything we've been asking for. Listen to Doctor's Advocate and tell me his not a throwback to '93 in a updated form. Like Kanye is a throwback to real hip-hop with an updated sound, Game is a throwback to '90-94 westcoast hip-hop, his perfect to lead the west.
Where can I read that article you wrote?
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Another thought on Game. Alot of people like to talk shit about his subject matter like he just talks about the same west coast gangster shit but REALISTICALLY, you know what he talks about more? The same exact shit that WE talk about...he talks about the rap game, industry politics, beefs, producers, speculation, name dropping.....If it's interesting when we talk about it why ain't it cool when someone rhymes it? I find little to no difference between game's content and the content on this message board and to me that kind of meta cognition is different and fresh even, but still in a nostalgic west coast way (just like a lot of us).
Also, people say he just talks about 'chucks, khakis, dre, bloods, chucks, khakis, dre' are overlooking shit like start from scratch and ol' english where there is clearly a bigger idea behind the track. The chucks, dre, bloods, khakis...etc. is just the language he uses to discuss shit....kinda like us. Dude's just a rap geek, and that's why I like him.
Also, I've heard people say that game's name dropping is a gimmick but last night I thought of something on a completely logistic level: When you're rhyming with names, there is more versatility in regards to the acual words you are rhyming with. Using a lot of names opens a whole new world of sylabbles and letter combinations...it's just a basic logistical idea, so even if that aspect is gimmicky, it's another oppurtunity to exhibit cleverness and talent. There can be skill behind it, looking purely at the rhymes, which you gotta do sometimes with rap.
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Also, in regards to his constant name dropping: most rappers have been rapping for a few years by the time they make a major label debut. Game's only been rapping for like 2-3 years now or whatever, he's still paying his dues. In the jazz world, artists to albums of primarily covers and one or two originals before they feel they have the right to do their shit and leave the mark they want to make on the genre. In other words, i bet you alot of rappers name drop a alot in their first couple years because when you're new all you have to go on is what's happened thus far. then when you've been an artist for a while you start talking about your shit cause you've had some experience being one. Give him a couple years, dudes mad new.
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game is not much of a lyricist at all though. snoop is more of a lyricist, and he aint even much of a lyricist neither.
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Game will probably end up like snoop, switching labels and releasing albums that will atleast go gold. He'll probably end up working with dre again somewhere in the future... Game doesnt have as much charisma as snoop so he'll never get the same commercial success though.
Atm game is ok, he relies heavily on good beats and guests though to hype up his album, instead he could just try being better lyrically and switching his topics but overall game aint that bad...
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Dude, that's a lot of writing you've done, and i gotta say that even though i read all of it, i think you're crazy. Game is cool and all, but like everyone else said, his shit is repetitive and he's really not on Pac's or for that matter on many other West coast rappers' level. Yeah, he sells but i think you're taking this shit too seriously. It's just the music business. There's plenty cats who could be selling like game if they had the "perfect" image, which you pointed out correctly
+1
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Game is dope and I've been listening to him since he came out, I didn't "just start" listening to him, he is not as good as Snoop, Kurupt, Xzibit as an MC when these dudes came out they had everything, Game got good beats, he knows how to ride a beat, he got good delivery and flow but his lyrics are just average and he needs to learn how to write a dope hook...
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Another thought on Game. Alot of people like to talk shit about his subject matter like he just talks about the same west coast gangster shit but REALISTICALLY, you know what he talks about more? The same exact shit that WE talk about...he talks about the rap game, industry politics, beefs, producers, speculation, name dropping.....If it's interesting when we talk about it why ain't it cool when someone rhymes it? I find little to no difference between game's content and the content on this message board and to me that kind of meta cognition is different and fresh even, but still in a nostalgic west coast way (just like a lot of us).
Also, people say he just talks about 'chucks, khakis, dre, bloods, chucks, khakis, dre' are overlooking shit like start from scratch and ol' english where there is clearly a bigger idea behind the track. The chucks, dre, bloods, khakis...etc. is just the language he uses to discuss shit....kinda like us. Dude's just a rap geek, and that's why I like him.
Also, I've heard people say that game's name dropping is a gimmick but last night I thought of something on a completely logistic level: When you're rhyming with names, there is more versatility in regards to the acual words you are rhyming with. Using a lot of names opens a whole new world of sylabbles and letter combinations...it's just a basic logistical idea, so even if that aspect is gimmicky, it's another oppurtunity to exhibit cleverness and talent. There can be skill behind it, looking purely at the rhymes, which you gotta do sometimes with rap.
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thats real spit homie +1
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thank you, I notice people keep saying I'm looking too deep into shit but I see no one buit the people that agree with me addressing any of the individual points I make (for example, his content being comparable to the content of this forum) and furthermore, what is this forum for but to look deeply into music that we're into?
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I don't see how his lyrics are average. he has multisylabbic rhymes, he rhymes alot of words originally(re: words that haven't been rhymed together before), he talks MC shit (lot of similes), the rap megaman shit (can adapt lyrically to any MC style he chooses) I admit that he's gotten BETTER over time but even on his early shit he's above average for sure. It's just cool to say that someone huge on a commercial level is average, so everyone is doing it.
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thank you, I notice people keep saying I'm looking too deep into shit but I see no one buit the people that agree with me addressing any of the individual points I make (for example, his content being comparable to the content of this forum) and furthermore, what is this forum for but to look deeply into music that we're into?
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Real talk homie... finally someone who writes some good shit about game.
If you don't like the name-dropping just don't listen to his music. end of the story
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To me, Game is alright... well, he's pretty good, but he's just not my shit. I'll still bump his shit and can feel a lot of it...but yea, you're right in regards to him being a fixed product more than an individual artist. back in the days I probably woulda' eaten his shit all up, but now I'm into the realer shit, if you may, the shit that doesn't need to sell or need to put the west back on the map, the shit that just is what it is, not the shit that's on a mission, not the fabricated shit...It probably doesn't make much sense, but music as a whole is completely different than it was even in 2002 when we first posted here...That's why if you've noticed, I don't even post in these sections anymore...Everybody is on a different page nowadays, so I'm just gunna listen to whatever is the illest and not give a fuck about the west or the east or the bay, just know what you're listening to and respect that shit...PeACe
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this is actually a good thread..
I gotta say that i love the game for 2 reasons:
1. His music is hella dope
2. He keeps the beloved west coast legacy alive, just the way the fans want, because the game is a fan himself
I think u gotta take it for what it is.. entertainment, and that is something that game does well. But, as an fullfledged artists, id like to see what is REALLY behind his angry face.. maybe there will be room for that on his 3rd album. I hope so..
BTW, I feel what u sayin NIK.. maybe its a grown up thing? hehe
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what do you mean by realer shit, NIK?
Not a criticism, just trying to keep the discussion moving. Cause if you mean moving away from commercial shit, yeah I feel you, i'm into a lot of non commercial music too but to me it's still important to have a dope rapper repping for the legacy just like sports teams is important to a lot of other people. I don't care if LA has a sick basketball team, but I better have an MC I can say reps my state well and succesfully, you know?
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i dont read fuckin novels on the internet or in real life for that matter
That nigga types too much about bullshit.. Takes your thoughts to the Train of Thought forum nigga.
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I'm talking about west coast rap in the west coast rap forum. No one is making you read jack shit, this ain't fuckin' school. All right, nigga? it's hard to capture that elusive illiterate coolness when you're typing homey.
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what do you mean by realer shit, NIK?
Not a criticism, just trying to keep the discussion moving. Cause if you mean moving away from commercial shit, yeah I feel you, i'm into a lot of non commercial music too but to me it's still important to have a dope rapper repping for the legacy just like sports teams is important to a lot of other people. I don't care if LA has a sick basketball team, but I better have an MC I can say reps my state well and succesfully, you know?
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I think it's more important fo most thatr the Lakers to be succesful like they are, than to have a succesful rapper but that's just my opinion...
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that's sports people, and that's cool. but i'm an art person, so this is my thing.
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what do you mean by realer shit, NIK?
Not a criticism, just trying to keep the discussion moving. Cause if you mean moving away from commercial shit, yeah I feel you, i'm into a lot of non commercial music too but to me it's still important to have a dope rapper repping for the legacy just like sports teams is important to a lot of other people. I don't care if LA has a sick basketball team, but I better have an MC I can say reps my state well and succesfully, you know?
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I think it's great that we got an artist like Game reppin' for us, who talks about the same OG shit we grew up on and pretty much is trying to resurrect the west and its sound. but at the same time, like you said, he's too fabricated, like a creation of some sort, too made up...MY shit is the real shit, the music that's not trying too hard to do something, the picture that paints itself, not the picture that gets painted...I dunno if that makes any sense to you, but like I said, I'm not againts Game or anything, I'll even bump his shit, because I think a lot of it is pretty good. But at the same time, he's nothing amazing, like a 2Pac, or a Biggie, or an artist who just did what they did and blew up off of that, rather than did what they were supposed to in order to blow up...But yea, if you like Game and he's your shit, I can totally respect that, but that's not the shit you'll find me bumpin' on a regular basis...PeACe
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I feel you. But I mean....he's one of the dude's i'll bump because he's one of the only sick dudes on the west droppin albums! If there was more cats droppin' albums on the west he wouldn't be such a big deal. and if everyone would support more doors would be opened for the rest of the west so I'm saying he's a good thing that needs to be supported. -T
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There's a lot of west coast shit you haven't heard that's really dope...Believe it or not, even some shit coming out nowadays from the west coast underground is really good...You just have to dig deep.
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exactly, but there's a lot of dope music period if you dig deep. i'm not trying to dig deep. i'm trying to mob to best buy and cope some heat up the street.
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