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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Meho on February 06, 2007, 06:59:56 AM
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Where he said how he wants to take over all the genres of the music and stuff like that... I was thinking about the decline of the sales. I mean if Jayz who ahd mad promotion behind him is "only" at 1.3 plat right now and Justin Timberlake with 2 megahits at "only" 2.3 mil, is it even possible to go like 5X plat like they used to.
Becuase theres a lot of big names coming out soon like Timbo, 50, Will.I.Am, probably Dre.... do you think anyone can even reach those high numbers again ?
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Where he said how he wants to take over all the genres of the music and stuff like that... I was thinking about the decline of the sales. I mean if Jayz who ahd mad promotion behind him is "only" at 1.3 plat right now and Justin Timberlake with 2 megahits at "only" 2.3 mil, is it even possible to go like 5X plat like they used to.
Becuase theres a lot of big names coming out soon like Timbo, 50, Will.I.Am, probably Dre.... do you think anyone can even reach those high numbers again ?
I think it remains to be seen whether Will.I.Am and Timbo qualify as "big name" solo acts. Both have released solo albums in the past that under-performed, all things considered, although to be fair Will.I.Am's release was pre-Peas explosion. Nonetheless, I don't expect either release to go beyond double platinum and wouldn't be surprised if both stalled a little over Plat.
50 is kind of hard to tell. I thought his fan-base had fallen dramtically after "Get Rich..." and, sure it sold a fair bet less than his debut, but "The Massacre" was still a great success. I still think 50 has lost a few more fans since then, but has he really lost a million? I have my doubts.
If anyone here can do huge numbers, it's Dre. He's ingeniously crafted this whole mysterious vibe around "Detox" by keeping leaked info to a minimum, where he's got a whole load of non-Hip-Hop heads intrigued too. Plus, people know his track record. Two solos. Two classics. I think of the four, Dre will easily outsell (read: by "easily" I'm guessing by a good million, possibly plus, lead) the other names mentioned.
Good thread though, man. Interested to hear everyone elses predictions.
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iīd put my money on Dre coz the hype for his releases are outta this world. i think a lot of peeps forget that The Chronic 2001 actually outsold GRODT. and his albums donīt have the huge first week sales but they stay on the charts for a long time. and since Detox is gonna be his last album you know thereīs gonna be mad hype surrounding it especially if he drops something like Still D.R.E. coz that shit made people act like crackheads back in 99.
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Is Dre still the big name he used to be? I personally don't think so. We don't hear a lot from him at all, but other than with his previous solo releases, this time around the things we've heard from him building up the anticipation for the album aren't nearly as convincing. Yeah, he'll go double platinum perhaps, but I just don't see Detox turning into an instant unquestionable classic.
But as for Will-I-Am or Timbaland creating a boundaries-crossing classic? There's not a doubt on my mind Timbaland will fail. He has got them easy listening main stream audience tracks, but his music won't stick. He makes music for the momentum.
Will-I-Am is the one with the most potential for me, basically because you'll never know what he might knock out next. I've heard some amazing stuff from him on that Freedom Writers soundtrack... He's clearly capable of doing something big, but will he? He might suffer from his reputation, being the producer for Fergie's solo stuff and the Black Eyed Peas...
So don't get your hopes up yet. Your favorite hip-hop hero is going to have a hard time trying to achieve his goals.
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Justin is at 2.6 thanks to Timbo, if his album was released 3 or 4 years ago he probably would be at least 4x Plat by now, I think the days of Diamond albums and 5 and 6 times plat days are over, If you go 2x Plat these days that is a hell of an accomplishment, I think the Timbo album and the Dre album will both probably go 2x plat
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I dont see a Timbo solo going double plat, no chance.
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Justin is at 2.6 thanks to Timbo, if his album was released 3 or 4 years ago he probably would be at least 4x Plat by now
Justin had more monster hits last time around and Justified didnīt do any crazy numbers.
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Justin is at 2.6 thanks to Timbo, if his album was released 3 or 4 years ago he probably would be at least 4x Plat by now
Justin had more monster hits last time around and Justified didnīt do any crazy numbers.
actually none of Justin's songs from Justified went to #1 Cry Me a River was his biggest hit and it went to #3, both Sexyback and My Love were both #1 hits
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Justin is at 2.6 thanks to Timbo, if his album was released 3 or 4 years ago he probably would be at least 4x Plat by now
Justin had more monster hits last time around and Justified didnīt do any crazy numbers.
actually none of Justin's songs from Justified went to #1 Cry Me a River was his biggest hit and it went to #3, both Sexyback and My Love were both #1 hits
he had more big songs in rotation for that album. and those singles actually sold more then his 2 current singles.
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Justin is at 2.6 thanks to Timbo, if his album was released 3 or 4 years ago he probably would be at least 4x Plat by now
Justin had more monster hits last time around and Justified didnīt do any crazy numbers.
actually none of Justin's songs from Justified went to #1 Cry Me a River was his biggest hit and it went to #3, both Sexyback and My Love were both #1 hits
he had more big songs in rotation for that album. and those singles actually sold more then his 2 current singles.
true, but his album still ain't done selling tho, I think he'll eventually get to around 4x plat with another single, his last one sold 3.5
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the days of going 5x or 6x platinum is definitely not over, 50 did it with in the club... i think it comes down to your body of work, if you put out a banger, it will show with the numbers, if u put out something OK, it wont sell, cuz the masses want fire. Bottom line, no1 has came with fire, in the club went plat. that quick cuz the single was on the radio for like 6 months prior to being released, and 50 had a huge buzz, if it wasn't for those two things he would have gone 2x plat. max. with that said, if you put out a good cd with great production, and straight fire, you will sell to the masses. hopefully dre will giv us a banger.
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The Carter 3 and Cam's new album will do 5 mill each.
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Quite simply put: No.
DOWNLOADING HAS KILLED SALES, HATE IT OR LOVE IT. IT'S A TRUE FACT
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will.i.am will probably not go more than double plat....i have a feeling his album will be a disappointment too...mostly because i think that BEP is fuckin weak...and his poppy as production lately has been shit...its sad to me that its the same will.i.am who did lost change a few years back...what a great album that was...even though most people have never even heard of it and the majority of it was instrumental
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^^ Have you heard 'Colors' from the Freedom Writers soundtrack (2007)?
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Quite simply put: No.
DOWNLOADING HAS KILLED SALES, HATE IT OR LOVE IT. IT'S A TRUE FACT
i hate to admit but i think youre right, the days of multiplatinum/diamond sales (like someone said before me) are over, and its a shame
but maybe with some new, fresh and changing records, maybe...maybe it will bring back some of the old shine, but with all respect i dont see dudes like bishop and them *new west* rappers do something really innovative like some nas illmatic-type of shit, like some snoop dogg doggystyle-type of shit, i dont see that happening anytime soon to be honest, but i really hope im wrong
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The days of diamond sales are over. But is that because of internet bootlegging, or is it because people just don't appreciate music anymore?
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but I just don't see Detox turning into an instant unquestionable classic.
if Detox isn't an instant classic, it won't come out.. we all know it.. I know Dre current work is very average but I think it's part of his "strategy" to come back stonger.. I mean if he came with crazy beats now then drop Detox, people would be dissapointed 4 sure.. I know it's gonna be a crazy cd, if not it won't see the light of the day
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but I just don't see Detox turning into an instant unquestionable classic.
if Detox isn't an instant classic, it won't come out.. we all know it.. I know Dre current work is very average but I think it's part of his "strategy" to come back stonger.. I mean if he came with crazy beats now then drop Detox, people would be dissapointed 4 sure.. I know it's gonna be a crazy cd, if not it won't see the light of the day
What makes you say that he's weakening his stuff down now? Do you remember before the Chronic dropped, how Dre came with Deep Cover? Do you remember the stuff Dre did not long before the Chronic 2001, with songs like "Just Dippin" and "Buck 'Em"?
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everyone goto get off dre's back... some recent BANGERS he did include:
-wheres your money (busta rhymes & ODB)
-outta control (mobb deep & 50)
imo both these tracks are 5/5
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The days of diamond sales are over. But is that because of internet bootlegging, or is it because people just don't appreciate music anymore?
both, people get tired of hearing the same formula over and over, nobody is trying anything new (and risking) cause they might lose money on it....
labels wont accept their artists trying something new and maybe flop and lose money on it
and independant artists wont make anything new and innovating for the simple fact they wanna earn some cash from their records (ice cube, xzibit, etc...)
last years i havent heard anything new or fresh, kanye's beats are played out by now, swizz beatz just drops the same stuff over and over again, scott storch sticks to his same old succes formula and is hesitant to change...
what hiphop needs is some tough guys who actually are tougher then those *self proclaimed gangsta's* and arent afraid of putting in some new, fresh stuff...
just my 2 cents
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and 1 more thing, i just realized that this might be why everyone who likes a lil bit of *true* hiphop is looking so bad towards Detox...
dre has changed hiphop with his fresh, innovative sounds, everytime he dropped an album...my guess is hiphop needs such an impulse at this time very badly, it might even boosts sales again...
but here is my fear too, what if dre retires (or better, the question *when*) or if he wont drop detox, we cant always depend on 1 or 2 people to drag the whole game to another level, i think we need more people who like to deliver new, fresh stuff, and who want to keep improving their styles and products (albums) and arent just looking for sales and money, but actually take the time to make something great...