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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: teecee on June 21, 2007, 02:53:02 PM
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This was jacked from a thread on SOHH; whoever compiled all of this info is an UBERNERD to the fullest! I, for one, think Kobe is great and one of the best ever, but below you will see how far Kobe has to go to fuck with Jordan. The thing is, Kobe has more than enough talent to do it, its all there, but his shot selection and b-ball IQ will likely prevent him from truly being on MJ's level. I don't agree with all of the assessments below due to the different amount of games they are played, but some are entirely relevant. Peace
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Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
GOT DEFENSE?
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Of every game played since 1986:
Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25
Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.
What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a player’s individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a player’s all-around contribution is.
Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)
Games with 15+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 8
Kobe Bean Bryant: 2
Games with 12+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bean Bryant: 20
Games with 10+ rebounds
Air Jordan: 151
Kobe Bean Bryant: 70
Games with 15+ assists
Air Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
Games with 12+ assists
Air Jordan: 26
Kobe Bryant: 12
Games with 10+ assists
Air Jordan: 76
Kobe Bean Bryant: 52
Games with 8+ assists
Air Jordan: 207
Kobe Bean Bryant: 114
Games with 5+ assists
Air Jordan: 587
Kobe Bean Bryant: 353
Games with less than 3 assists
Air Jordan: 150
Kobe Bean Bryant: 188
Games with less than 2 assists
Air Jordan: 51
Kobe Bean Bryant: 105
Games with NO assists
Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bean Bryant: 47
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Games with 6+ steals
Air: 47
Bean: 6
Games with 5+ steals
Air: 110
Bean: 26
Games with 4+ steals
Air: 235
Bean: 63
Games with 3+ steals
Air: 460
Bean: 165
Games with multiple blocks
Air: 220
Bean: 102
Games with 3+ blocks
Air: 70
Bean: 22
Games with 4+ blocks
Air: 25
Bean: 4
Games with less than 4 turnovers
Air: 775
Bean: 489
Games with less than 3 turnovers
Air: 545
Bean: 333
Games with less than 2 turnovers
Air: 275
Bean: 177
Games with NO turnovers
Air: 90
Bean: 45
Games with 5+ turnovers
Air: 132 (2 out of every 16 games)
Bean: 147 (3 out of every 16 games)
Games with more turnovers than assists
Air: 144 (13 out of every 100 games)
Bean: 174 (22 out of every 100 games)
Foul Outs
Air: 7
Bean: 16
Percentage of points scored on free throws
Michael Jordan: 22.7%
Kobe Bryant: 25.9%
Percentage of points scored on two point field goals
Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%
Three point shot attempts per game
Air Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.54 (more) (less)
All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.
All-Star selections
Michael Jordan: 14
Kobe Bryant: 9
Michael Jordan was an All-Star every year he was eligible, including his injury plagued 1986 season. He is #2 all time in NBA All-Star selections behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
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All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 2
Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997, but did not receive MVP.
Scoring titles
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 2
Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.
Steals titles
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 0
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.
Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to perform it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.
Michael Jordan was named the 1991 Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated.
Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.
In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.
Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.
Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.
College awards at North Carolina
1984 ACC Men’s Basketball Player of the Year
1984 USBWA College Player of the Year
1984 Naismith College Player of the Year
1984 John R. Wooden Award
1984 Adolph Rupp Trophy
1982 ACC Freshman of the Year
1982 national championship
Game-winning defensive play and shot in the 1982 national championship game against Georgetown
“The Clutch Factor”
Stop saying Kobe Bryant is one of the most clutch players ever.
Please watch film of Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry, and how about… Michael Jordan?
These are approximations because it is difficult to define “clutch”. Here we have defined it as shots within the last 24 seconds of a game within 2 points.
Game winning shots
Michael Jordan: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)
Kobe Bryant: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)
Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.
Michael Jordan led countless 4th quarter comebacks in which he singlehandedly won the game throughout his career.
Among Kobe’s 32 clutch opportunities, he has yet to pass the ball to another player. He has by far the most end of game situations with no assists of any player in NBA history. He has one of the lowest conversion rates in the clutch.
Game winning shots in the playoffs
Kobe: 5
Jordan: Approximately 15
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)
Record as team leader
Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)
Record, all team games
Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)
Postseason as team leader
Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons
How do their teams fare without them?
Team record in games missed
Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)
86: 18-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.
Kobe Bryant: 53-33 (.616)
97: 8-3
98: 3-0
00: 12-4
01: 11-3
02: 2-0
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.
Also of note: Kobe Bryant tore a championship team apart. Michael Jordan pieced a championship team together.
ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS
NBA championships
Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 NBA Finals
Kobe Bryant: 3 in 4 NBA Finals
NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0
No one is close to Michael Jordan in NBA Finals MVPs.
Regular season Most Valuable Player awards
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan was so dominant and valuable to his team that he LOST MVP awards because of it. The league voters were tired of awarding it to the same player, and gave it to Magic Johnson in 1989 and 1990 instead because he had only received MVP once. Jordan is #1 all time in MVP voting, and has 14 combined MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star), the most all time.
All-NBA First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan is tied for #2 all time in All-NBA First Teams behind Karl Malone with 11.
All-Defensive First Team selections
Michael Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 5
Michael Jordan has made more All-Defensive First Teams than any other player in NBA history. This last All-Defensive First Team honor for Kobe was complete bulls***, but whatever.
Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won DPoY. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year.
Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in four (of the 5) categories, and obviously the only rookie to do it. Julius Erving did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. Jordan was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.
Michael Jordan led his team in three stats 5 different times, including leading the team in blocks several times. Kobe Bryant has led his team in three categories once in his career.
Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.49
What is Player Efficiency Rating? PER is a formula that uses a player’s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If you shoot the ball a lot, but don’t shoot as well, your rating goes down. If you turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting percentage, it’s almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career rating, like above 25 (Jordan is the only one).
Highest PER Season
Michael Jordan: 31.71
Kobe Bryant: 27.97
40 point games
MJ: 173
Kobe: 85
30 point games
MJ: 561
Kobe: 245
20 point games
MJ: 926
Kobe: 520
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (60% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael “Air” Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
NBA Playoffs
50 point games
KB: 1
MJ: 8
40 point games
KB: 4
MJ: 38
30 point games
KB: 33
MJ: 109
20 point games
KB: 86
MJ: 173
Assist to turnover ratio
Jordan: 1.93
Kobe: 1.56
Assists per game
Jordan: 5.3
Kobe: 4.5
In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he has played as long as Jordan, he needs to average 7.2 apg. It'd be nice to see if Kobe could ever average this in a week.
These idiots don't know that Jordan played during the slowest paced era in history and still put up 30.
Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals
2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)
2001: 24.4% (W)
2002: 25.2% (W)
2004: 27.6% (L)
Michael Jordan
1991: 30.8% (W)
1992: 34.6% (W)
1993: 38.3% (W)
1996: 29.4% (W)
1997: 36.8% (W)
1998: 38.1% (W)
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awesome,another jordan,kobe thread.......
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What the hell is this? LMAO. Kobe has played HALF a career...
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Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784
Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379
Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11
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Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784
Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379
Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11
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And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11...Add to that the fact that he had to work his way off the bench behind Eddie Jones, as opposed to Jordan, who instantly became the center-piece of the franchise the day he was drafted.
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What the hell is this? LMAO. Kobe has played HALF a career...
Exactly; that is why i pointed out that not all of these numbers mean a whole lot. However, MANY of them are quite telling, but as usual you nitpick and disregard the things that are on point.
Point in case:
Games with NO assists:
Jordan- 7
Kobe- 47!!!
Games with 5+ turnovers-
Jordan-132
Kobe-147
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Games playes will only make somethings worse for Kobe; he will never catch Jordan's 3 games played with no assists!
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And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11
Really? 96-97,97-98,98-99,99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,03-04,04-05,05-06,06-07
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^^LOL, I cant believe the homie NIK missed that
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I can't wait till he's traded and the mod can stop slobbering about him.
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Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.
Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.
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Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.
Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.
Exactly!
Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.
Of course, alot of that has to do with Kobe coming to the league at 18, which WAS his choice. Lebron was able to be dominant at 18, why not Kobe?
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Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.
Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.
Exactly!
Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.
Of course, alot of that has to do with Kobe coming to the league at 18, which WAS his choice. Lebron was able to be dominant at 18, why not Kobe?
BECAUSE HE WAS BEHIND EDDIE JONES GOSH YOU NERD
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If he was as good at 18 as LBJ , he wouldn't have been behind Eddie Jones, simple as that. Kobe was not that good at that age, did you watch when he was on the court?
However, who's to say Jordan would have been great in the NBA at 18; he wasn't even the best player on his college team. That is besides the point; Kobe came to the NBA at 18 as the first guard to make the jump, and he wasn't really ready. His choice, oh well.
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Games played:
Jordan: 1072
Kobe: 784
Minutes played:
Jordan: 41,011
Kobe: 28,379
Seasons played:
Jordan: 15
Kobe: 11
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Lol really let's give Kobe time to catch up. Some of those stats he won't top but he still has a great chance to break some of them.
Magic > Jordan anyway
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And Kobe's played 10 seasons, not 11
Really? 96-97,97-98,98-99,99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,03-04,04-05,05-06,06-07
10 1/2...98-99=expansion. ;D
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What the hell is this? LMAO. Kobe has played HALF a career...
Exactly; that is why i pointed out that not all of these numbers mean a whole lot. However, MANY of them are quite telling, but as usual you nitpick and disregard the things that are on point.
Point in case:
Games with NO assists:
Jordan- 7
Kobe- 47!!!
Games with 5+ turnovers-
Jordan-132
Kobe-147
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.
Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).
Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.
Michael Jordan is. He’s #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.
Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.
Games with 8+ steals
Air: 12
Bean: 0
Games with 7+ steals
Air: 18
Bean: 1
Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:
Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.
Kobe Bryant's games include
10 of the 30 worst
7 of the 15 worst
The 3 worst
#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Games playes will only make somethings worse for Kobe; he will never catch Jordan's 3 games played with no assists!
But STILL, these numbers are not comparable, because Jordan never had games where he played 5-10 minutes as Kobe did in his first couple seasons...YOU CANT COMPARE. Percentages are in Jordan's favor, despite Kobe being the much sharper shooter. Why, you might ask? Because Kobe has RANGE. He's shot 3 pointers throughout his career regularly, while Jordan SUCKED from behind the arch. Someone who shoots threes will generally shoot a lower percentage. All these numbers are tainted...I can make a whole list like this in favor of Kobe starting with an 81 point game and ending with a consecutive free-throws made...Point is, Kobe EASILY has a chance to end his career as the G.O.A.T. The person who came up with those lines is OBVIOUSLY a Jordan jocker/Kobe hater...PeACe
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Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.
Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.
Exactly!
Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.
Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season.
At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!
Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.
If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!
sfhguibnbhq | May 18, 2007
If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.
If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.
If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.
If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.
Of course, alot of that has to do with Kobe coming to the league at 18, which WAS his choice. Lebron was able to be dominant at 18, why not Kobe?
LMAO@comparing LeBron's situation with Kobe's...Kobe came into the league as a bench player on a contending team, coming off the bench behind Eddie Jones. Overall numbers will never spell out how amazing he was/is in his prime. Everything will be blatant by the time Kobe ends his career.
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im not even going to read this thread all i have to say is Kobe is better than MJ at this point in their careers and Kobe has a realistic chance of really surpassing Jordan as the GOAT.
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If he was as good at 18 as LBJ , he wouldn't have been behind Eddie Jones, simple as that. Kobe was not that good at that age, did you watch when he was on the court?
However, who's to say Jordan would have been great in the NBA at 18; he wasn't even the best player on his college team. That is besides the point; Kobe came to the NBA at 18 as the first guard to make the jump, and he wasn't really ready. His choice, oh well.
LOL...LeBron was PUSHED on the worst team in the NBA. He was numbers his rookie season, yes, but had he been drafted by the Lakers with an ALL-STAR Eddie Jones on the team, that would NOT have been the stories...STOP the ridiculous analogies...PeACe
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im not even going to read this thread all i have to say is Kobe is better than MJ at this point in their careers and Kobe has a realistic chance of really surpassing Jordan as the GOAT.
Keep smoking that pipe kid
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im not even going to read this thread all i have to say is Kobe is better than MJ at this point in their careers and Kobe has a realistic chance of really surpassing Jordan as the GOAT.
Keep smoking that pipe kid
You are a flat out HATER if you deny Kobe has the chance to surpass Jordan, with the skill he possesses at the age of 28, when Jordan only had 1 ring. :grumpy:
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im not even going to read this thread all i have to say is Kobe is better than MJ at this point in their careers and Kobe has a realistic chance of really surpassing Jordan as the GOAT.
Keep smoking that pipe kid
You are a flat out HATER if you deny Kobe has the chance to surpass Jordan, with the skill he possesses at the age of 28, when Jordan only had 1 ring. :grumpy:
OK he's got a chance, just not in a Lakers uniform. Happy?
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awesome,another jordan,kobe thread.......
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Even if Kobe was only getting 5 minute spots, it's on him for coming out the gate at 18. If Jordan would have done the same, he wouldn't have gotten any PT either. But if you're gonna throw out Kobe's early season(s), then throw out Jordan's 2 worst as well. You can't have it both ways.
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Even if Kobe was only getting 5 minute spots, it's on him for coming out the gate at 18. If Jordan would have done the same, he wouldn't have gotten any PT either. But if you're gonna throw out Kobe's early season(s), then throw out Jordan's 2 worst as well. You can't have it both ways.
The point is, lists like these can be made both ways. But like Vegasmac said, Kobe is better and has accomplished more than Jordan by this point in his career...PeACe
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Even if Kobe was only getting 5 minute spots, it's on him for coming out the gate at 18. If Jordan would have done the same, he wouldn't have gotten any PT either. But if you're gonna throw out Kobe's early season(s), then throw out Jordan's 2 worst as well. You can't have it both ways.
The point is, lists like these can be made both ways. But like Vegasmac said, Kobe is better and has accomplished more than Jordan by this point in his career...PeACe
In Jordan's first 11 years he won 4 titles.
but just for you!
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8199/kobethumbsupfd7.gif)
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Even if Kobe was only getting 5 minute spots, it's on him for coming out the gate at 18. If Jordan would have done the same, he wouldn't have gotten any PT either. But if you're gonna throw out Kobe's early season(s), then throw out Jordan's 2 worst as well. You can't have it both ways.
The point is, lists like these can be made both ways. But like Vegasmac said, Kobe is better and has accomplished more than Jordan by this point in his career...PeACe
In Jordan's first 11 years he won 4 titles.
but just for you!
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8199/kobethumbsupfd7.gif)
By the time Jordan was 28, he won 1 title. Kobe has more time to build on his legacy. He can reach 8 or 9 IMO. 8)
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Are you serious? Kobe has accomplished more? LMAO. Yeah right. In the first 11 years of his career Jordan had: 3 MVP trophies, 7 of his 10 NBA All First Team, 4 NBA Titles, 4 Finals MVP's (I believe), Defensive Player of the Year award, 7 All Defense First Team, 8 All Star selections, 2 All Star Game MVPs.
Thats a lot to accomplish in just 11 years. I don't think Kobe has done ALL that... Has he?
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Are you serious? Kobe has accomplished more? LMAO. Yeah right. In the first 11 years of his career Jordan had: 3 MVP trophies, 7 of his 10 NBA All First Team, 4 NBA Titles, 4 Finals MVP's (I believe), Defensive Player of the Year award, 7 All Defense First Team, 8 All Star selections, 2 All Star Game MVPs.
Thats a lot to accomplish in just 11 years. I don't think Kobe has done ALL that... Has he?
Kobe has won more championships than Jordan by the age of 28. Kobe has barely entered his prime. Jordan's prime actually came in his 30's...PeACe
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I like how you can cry that its unfair to compare Jordans career and Kobes as Kobe hasn't played as long. Yet, Kobe has had 10+ years in the league at this point, whereas Jordan only had 7 (age wise). An extra four years for Kobe makes all the difference. You match up their first 11 years in the league (which makes MUCH more sense) and Jordan's accomplishments >>>>>> Kobes. But by 28 Jordan was MVP twice. Had 1 NBA Title. Rookie of the Year. Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP. Thats pretty good for the first SEVEN years of his career. Aside from the Title, Kobe cannot say hes done any of that by 28.
Jordan >>>>>>> Kobe
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Let it go bro... 8)
Different Era's
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How can you compare a guy who has won 6 titles on his own (6x NBA Finals MVP) with a guy who still has to past round-1 of the PO with a team built around him? That's absurd! Shit. Talking about skills, Kobe is as good as Jordan (if not better), but in sports you're nobody if you dont win titles. We will compare Kobe's career to Jordan's career when Kobe will retire, but to do it now is just absurd. I give more credits to LeBron James (i'm not saying he's individually better, cause he's not), cause at least he reached the NBA Finals being 22 and shit. And when he started "the run" 2-3 years ago the Cavs were worse than the Lakers. But y'all please stop comparing those young cats to MJ. It's still too early.
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How can you compare a guy who has won 6 titles on his own (6x NBA Finals MVP) with a guy who still has to past round-1 of the PO with a team built around him? That's absurd! Shit. Talking about skills, Kobe is as good as Jordan (if not better), but in sports you're nobody if you dont win titles. We will compare Kobe's career to Jordan's career when Kobe will retire, but to do it now is just absurd. I give more credits to LeBron James (i'm not saying he's individually better, cause he's not), cause at least he reached the NBA Finals being 22 and shit. And when he started "the run" 2-3 years ago the Cavs were worse than the Lakers. But y'all please stop comparing those young cats to MJ. It's still too early.
How is it to early? Jordan played 15 years, Kobe has played 11 years.
If anything it would be absurd to compare Jordan and LeBron's career side by side.
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How can you compare a guy who has won 6 titles on his own (6x NBA Finals MVP) with a guy who still has to past round-1 of the PO with a team built around him? That's absurd! Shit. Talking about skills, Kobe is as good as Jordan (if not better), but in sports you're nobody if you dont win titles. We will compare Kobe's career to Jordan's career when Kobe will retire, but to do it now is just absurd. I give more credits to LeBron James (i'm not saying he's individually better, cause he's not), cause at least he reached the NBA Finals being 22 and shit. And when he started "the run" 2-3 years ago the Cavs were worse than the Lakers. But y'all please stop comparing those young cats to MJ. It's still too early.
How is it to early? Jordan played 15 years, Kobe has played 11 years.
How is it too early? Cause Jordan won 6 rings between the time he was 28 years old to the day he retired. Kobe is 28, and he still has 8-10 years left to play. So it's everything still to be seen. Kobe can still win more rings than Jordan or he can win nothing "alone". It's still everything to be decided. Time will tells if he's better than Jordan or not.
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You match up their first 11 years in the league (which makes MUCH more sense)
LMAO! How the fuck does that make ANY sense? Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and he's only been the first option on his team for the past couple seasons! PLEASE MAKE SENSE!
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You match up their first 11 years in the league (which makes MUCH more sense)
LMAO! How the fuck does that make ANY sense? Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and he's only been the first option on his team for the past couple seasons! PLEASE MAKE SENSE!
Even so, how have Kobe's first few years as the main option and team leader gone?
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^Better than Jordan's first few years as the main option and team leader . 8)
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^Better than Jordan's first few years as the main option and team leader . 8)
Bullshit.
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LMAO.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1985.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1987.html
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
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LOL @ -1 karma.
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
Wow...NIK is getting punked from everybody. I'll bet you $50 he backpedals and finds something wrong with your post to detract from your argument. Perhaps he'll say how did Jordan average 37,1 ppg? Shouldn't it be 37.1. LMAO! PEACE.
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+1 to antonio
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LMAO! How the fuck does that make ANY sense? Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and he's only been the first option on his team for the past couple seasons! PLEASE MAKE SENSE!
Ok smart guy. How is this for sense: Kobe has been in the league 11 years. You're using those 11 years to compare to Jordan at only 6/7 years in the league. So, to MAKE SENSE, any smart man would compare the equal number of years to get a fair and complete comparison. PLEASE MAKE SENSE!!!!!!
Rookie of the Year, Dropping 63 in the Playoffs against Larry Bird AND Becoming MVP ALL before the age of 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.
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NIK has a point though. Kobe didnt get a chance to shine and be a starter right away like Lebron and Michael did, NIK is definitely right about that.
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2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
too bad they lost that game :nahnah2:
Jordan
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
Kobe
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
Lol those seasons were very similar. They dominated the league with their scoring but still lost in the first round. Why did you sugar coat Jordan's?
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LOL @ -1 karma.
-3 when I posted this. Add back Jat's and it'd be -4. NIK is getting emotional.
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Why did you sugar coat Jordan's?
I've always hated Jordan. I grew up wearing them ugly purple t-shirts with Magic printed on them, do you remember them? Everybody here was wearing Air Jordans, Jordan here, Jordan there. I was never been a fan oh him. Matter of fact i saw him as an enemy. And i wrote a couple of posts ago Kobe still has 8-10 years ahead to dominate the game MORE than Jordan did and to reach the GOAT status Jordan has now. But hey, facts are facts. I hated Jordan, but he was impressive.
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i dont know why yall comparing them 2s, jordan is the best player ever, just like gretzky for hockey
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
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LMAO! How the fuck does that make ANY sense? Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and he's only been the first option on his team for the past couple seasons! PLEASE MAKE SENSE!
Ok smart guy. How is this for sense: Kobe has been in the league 11 years. You're using those 11 years to compare to Jordan at only 6/7 years in the league. So, to MAKE SENSE, any smart man would compare the equal number of years to get a fair and complete comparison. PLEASE MAKE SENSE!!!!!!
Rookie of the Year, Dropping 63 in the Playoffs against Larry Bird AND Becoming MVP ALL before the age of 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.
3 championship by the age of 28 and earning your stay at the top while being ignored by your organization > 1 championship by the age of 28, and having everything handed to you by the organization.
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2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
too bad they lost that game :nahnah2:
Jordan
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
Kobe
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
Lol those seasons were very similar. They dominated the league with their scoring but still lost in the first round. Why did you sugar coat Jordan's?
LOL@Antonio thinking he's not being obvious. :-X
he confirmed his current punkness with the comment bitching about his karma. :laugh:
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LMAO! How the fuck does that make ANY sense? Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and he's only been the first option on his team for the past couple seasons! PLEASE MAKE SENSE!
Ok smart guy. How is this for sense: Kobe has been in the league 11 years. You're using those 11 years to compare to Jordan at only 6/7 years in the league. So, to MAKE SENSE, any smart man would compare the equal number of years to get a fair and complete comparison. PLEASE MAKE SENSE!!!!!!
Rookie of the Year, Dropping 63 in the Playoffs against Larry Bird AND Becoming MVP ALL before the age of 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.
3 championship by the age of 28 and earning your stay at the top while being ignored by your organization > 1 championship by the age of 28, and having everything handed to you by the organization.
Again...Shaq is the reason LA won 3 titles. He was the one getting double and triple teamed. He was the main cog. Kobe had a part in it, but without Shaq, he wouldn't of come close. Jordan had help from Pippen, but Jordan was the cog.
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Again...Shaq is the reason LA won 3 titles.
Disgusting.
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LMAO!!!! Kobe is the main reason why they won! Shaq wasnt even in the games the last couple minutes cause his patethic free show shooting while Kobe was knocking down clutch shots, Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shaq
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^ :-X
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Again...Shaq is the reason LA won 3 titles.
Disgusting.
How is that disgusting?
You've been bent over and had it rammed up your ass so many times by so many posters that you can't even argue anymore.
Shaq is the reason they won. Take Kobe away, the Lakers still go deep into the playoffs and possibly win one or two with just Shaq. Take Shaq away, they make the playoffs but don't do shit.
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Again...Shaq is the reason LA won 3 titles.
Disgusting.
How is that disgusting?
You've been bent over and had it rammed up your ass so many times by so many posters that you can't even argue anymore.
Shaq is the reason they won. Take Kobe away, the Lakers still go deep into the playoffs and possibly win one or two with just Shaq. Take Shaq away, they make the playoffs but don't do shit.
Shaq does not win shit without Kobe...This has been proven in the past. He didn't win with Penny and he didn't win until Kobe became a superstar. It's disgusting to give all the credit to Shaq when for a good portion of that time, Kobe was regarded as the best in the league by most, including Shaq himself...You should be ashamed of yourself. More disgusting than your gay fantasies of "ramming me up my ass"...:puke:
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
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I'ma keep it 100...
Take Shaq off those championship Lakers teams: they're an elite team that can make it as far as the WCFs, maybe the finals, but still - no championships.
Take Kobe off those championship Lakers teams: they're an elite team that can make it as far as the WCFs, maybe the finals, but still - no championships.
They needed each other. They complemented each other so well. Still sad to see how things played out.
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I'ma keep it 100...
Take Shaq off those championship Lakers teams: they're an elite team that can make it as far as the WCFs, maybe the finals, but still - no championships.
Take Kobe off those championship Lakers teams: they're an elite team that can make it as far as the WCFs, maybe the finals, but still - no championships.
They needed each other. They complemented each other so well. Still sad to see how things played out.
Those Laker teams posted losing records when Shaq was hurt. Without Shaq they were a completely different team.
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lol it is so sick how most laker-fans nowadays discredit shaq. if only I could use a time machine and teleport to your asses to see what you said 5-7 years ago. damn, that would be great entertainment.
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3 championship by the age of 28 and earning your stay at the top while being ignored by your organization > 1 championship by the age of 28, and having everything handed to you by the organization.
Having 11 Years to accomplish all that <<<< Having 7 Years to accomplish all that.
When you're that damn good, you get things handed to you. But when you're only a second option, you get shit. Don't be mad at Jordan cuz he was good and Kobe wasn't when they got into the league.
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2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
too bad they lost that game :nahnah2:
Jordan
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
Kobe
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
Lol those seasons were very similar. They dominated the league with their scoring but still lost in the first round. Why did you sugar coat Jordan's?
LOL@Antonio thinking he's not being obvious. :-X
he confirmed his current punkness with the comment bitching about his karma. :laugh:
I don't care, man. But the fact you're keep giving me a -1 karma means i was right.
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Wow, I can't believe how Lakers fans discredit what Shaq did; Shaq with all his many flaws, was for a time the most dominant player in the game, and maybe the most dominant player ever. He was the key, like Jordan was the key in Chicago.
It seems Laker fans are bitter about how Shaq left or something..........how else can you explain the remarks towards him, when dude brought them 3 chips. If Kobe was on the same level as Shaq, why didn't he win even ONE Mvp?
Shaq in his prime was a guy who was going to win a chip wherever he was, as long as he was surrounded by decent players.
The same cannot be said for Kobe..........
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Even if Mr. Bean hasn't played as many games, he'll still not overtake Jordan in many of those statistics.
Jordan>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
So you think rookie Jordan up until his 4th year was better than the current Kobe in his prime? How is laughing at that childish? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? You didn't post "facts", you sugercoated Jordan's shit, and shitted all over Kobe, like Kobe haters usually do...LOL :-X
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lol it is so sick how most laker-fans nowadays discredit shaq. if only I could use a time machine and teleport to your asses to see what you said 5-7 years ago. damn, that would be great entertainment.
Actually, MANY analysts claimed Kobe carried Shaq through much of the 3peat, even back as it was happening, especially during the latter years...Shaq was a beast, and Kobe was considered the best all-around player on the planet. Shaq definitely did a great portion of the work, but so did Kobe. The dickheads discrediting Kobe and giving Shaq all the credit are the sick ones...PeACe
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3 championship by the age of 28 and earning your stay at the top while being ignored by your organization > 1 championship by the age of 28, and having everything handed to you by the organization.
Having 11 Years to accomplish all that <<<< Having 7 Years to accomplish all that.
When you're that damn good, you get things handed to you. But when you're only a second option, you get shit. Don't be mad at Jordan cuz he was good and Kobe wasn't when they got into the league.
If Jordan was drafted by the Lakers in the same scenario, it would be the same story. Jordan had everything handed to him from day one, from the organization AND the league...PeACe
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
So you think rookie Jordan up until his 4th year was better than the current Kobe in his prime? How is laughing at that childish? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? You didn't post "facts", you sugercoated Jordan's shit, and shitted all over Kobe, like Kobe haters usually do...LOL :-X
It's called "having an opinion". Keep calling other people "haters", i don't care. But imho that Jordan was at least as good as this Kobe, individually speaking. Rookie of the Year, All-Defensive team, All-NBA Team, All-Star Game, MVP throphy, being called "God" by Bird, 63 points against the Celtics in the Playoff... you're disrespecting Jordan, homie.
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
So you think rookie Jordan up until his 4th year was better than the current Kobe in his prime? How is laughing at that childish? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? You didn't post "facts", you sugercoated Jordan's shit, and shitted all over Kobe, like Kobe haters usually do...LOL :-X
It's called "having an opinion". Keep calling other people "haters", i don't care. But imho that Jordan was at least as good as this Kobe, individually speaking. Rookie of the Year, All-Defensive team, All-NBA Team, All-Star Game, MVP throphy, being called "God" by Bird, 63 points against the Celtics in the Playoff... you're disrespecting Jordan, homie.
Dude, have you even watched Jordan of 1984-1987 play? Have you watched tapes? He was nowhere near his prime then, despite the numbers, dude had WAY LESS than the current Kobe in his arsenal at that time...The point is, he was in a situation very similar to Kobe's, being the main talent on his team and scoring a bunch of points, but still losing. HE EVEN LOST THAT 63 POINT GAME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU CHOSE TO MAKE IT SEEM AS IF JORDAN'S FIRST THREE YEARS AS A LEADER WAS SOMEHOW GREAT, WHILE KOBE'S WAS PURE SHIT...PeACe
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
Ive watched more basketball than you have. All you do is watch the Laker games and ride nuts. I doubt you were even old enough to remember Jordan while he winning his first title against LA. Just sit back and know your role buddy, and try and keep the nuts out of your mouth.
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
Ive watched more basketball than you have. All you do is watch the Laker games and ride nuts. I doubt you were even old enough to remember Jordan while he winning his first title against LA. Just sit back and know your role buddy, and try and keep the nuts out of your mouth.
Aren't you the same age as me, pussy? And if you've really watched as much basketball as you claim, then you must be retarded. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just don't watch...
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
Ive watched more basketball than you have. All you do is watch the Laker games and ride nuts. I doubt you were even old enough to remember Jordan while he winning his first title against LA. Just sit back and know your role buddy, and try and keep the nuts out of your mouth.
Aren't you the same age as me, pussy? And if you've really watched as much basketball as you claim, then you must be retarded. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just don't watch...
Im 24, I thought you were like 19 or somethin, anyways who the fuck are you calling pussy? You cant handle it, the fact that the majority of this board thinks Jordan>>>Kobe? Nobody should really expect the biggest Kobe nutrider ever to bow down to Jordan in this scenario, but still, the stats dont lie homie. Just keep reading them, over and over, and over. And stop trying to come up with ways to make Kobe sound better because its not working and nobody is falling for it LOL
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
So you think rookie Jordan up until his 4th year was better than the current Kobe in his prime? How is laughing at that childish? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? You didn't post "facts", you sugercoated Jordan's shit, and shitted all over Kobe, like Kobe haters usually do...LOL :-X
It's called "having an opinion". Keep calling other people "haters", i don't care. But imho that Jordan was at least as good as this Kobe, individually speaking. Rookie of the Year, All-Defensive team, All-NBA Team, All-Star Game, MVP throphy, being called "God" by Bird, 63 points against the Celtics in the Playoff... you're disrespecting Jordan, homie.
Dude, have you even watched Jordan of 1984-1987 play? Have you watched tapes? He was nowhere near his prime then, despite the numbers, dude had WAY LESS than the current Kobe in his arsenal at that time...The point is, he was in a situation very similar to Kobe's, being the main talent on his team and scoring a bunch of points, but still losing. HE EVEN LOST THAT 63 POINT GAME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU CHOSE TO MAKE IT SEEM AS IF JORDAN'S FIRST THREE YEARS AS A LEADER WAS SOMEHOW GREAT, WHILE KOBE'S WAS PURE SHIT...PeACe
No i didn't. This was your impression. Imho Kobe didn't prove in these 3 seasons to be better than Jordan. He has potential to do it in the future, but what he has done til now is not enought, cause Jordan has done the same things.
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
Ive watched more basketball than you have. All you do is watch the Laker games and ride nuts. I doubt you were even old enough to remember Jordan while he winning his first title against LA. Just sit back and know your role buddy, and try and keep the nuts out of your mouth.
Aren't you the same age as me, pussy? And if you've really watched as much basketball as you claim, then you must be retarded. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just don't watch...
Im 24, I thought you were like 19 or somethin, anyways who the fuck are you calling pussy? You cant handle it, the fact that the majority of this board thinks Jordan>>>Kobe? Nobody should really expect the biggest Kobe nutrider ever to bow down to Jordan in this scenario, but still, the stats dont lie homie. Just keep reading them, over and over, and over. And stop trying to me up with ways to make Kobe sound better because its not working and nobody is falling for it LOL
That's sad if you're 24, pussy. When I read your posts, I picture a 15 year old...And I don't give a fuck if people say Jordan>Kobe, it's the people who are claiming Kobe isn't on pace to being greater with the skiil he possesses at his current age who baffle me.
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Jordan
1st year: Rookie of the year. 3rd best scorer of the NBA, led the Bulls in steals. All-NBA 2nd Team. He reached the P.O. with a wack team who had the 3rd round draft pick the year before.
2nd year: after a long injury, he had an un-human end of the season, and the Bulls reached the P.O. where he scored 63 against the Celtics, impressing Bird (who called him God).
3rd year: he scores 37,1 points per game. Unreal. 1st All-NBA Team. He reached the P.O. loosing to Bird's Celtics.
4th year: Bulls acquire Pippen and Horace Grant. 1st 50+ wins season of his career. They reached the Eastern Conference Semifinals. 1st NBA MVP TITLE.
Kobe
1st year: no Playoffs.
2nd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination after they were 3-1 against the Suns.
3rd year: great individual year, but 1st round P.O. elimination against the Suns (again)
4th year: demanded a trade.
LMFAO@thinking Jordan was anywhere near Kobe's current level in his first 3 years in the league. :-X
Man isn't that LMFAO too childish? Grew the fuck up and post like a man. That's my opinion, supported by stats and facts. If you dont agree, i really couldn't give a flying fuck.
So you think rookie Jordan up until his 4th year was better than the current Kobe in his prime? How is laughing at that childish? Do you realize how absurd that sounds? You didn't post "facts", you sugercoated Jordan's shit, and shitted all over Kobe, like Kobe haters usually do...LOL :-X
It's called "having an opinion". Keep calling other people "haters", i don't care. But imho that Jordan was at least as good as this Kobe, individually speaking. Rookie of the Year, All-Defensive team, All-NBA Team, All-Star Game, MVP throphy, being called "God" by Bird, 63 points against the Celtics in the Playoff... you're disrespecting Jordan, homie.
Dude, have you even watched Jordan of 1984-1987 play? Have you watched tapes? He was nowhere near his prime then, despite the numbers, dude had WAY LESS than the current Kobe in his arsenal at that time...The point is, he was in a situation very similar to Kobe's, being the main talent on his team and scoring a bunch of points, but still losing. HE EVEN LOST THAT 63 POINT GAME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU CHOSE TO MAKE IT SEEM AS IF JORDAN'S FIRST THREE YEARS AS A LEADER WAS SOMEHOW GREAT, WHILE KOBE'S WAS PURE SHIT...PeACe
No i didn't. This was your impression. Imho Kobe didn't prove in these 3 seasons to be better than Jordan. He has potential to do it in the future, but what he has done til now is not enought, cause Jordan has done the same things.
You're a funny character, Antonio...Just one month ago your sig said Kobe 28>Jordan 28. :laugh:
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If Antonio wasn't sugercoating Jordan's/shitting on Kobe's first three years as a leader, like only a sad Laker fan would do, he woulda' mentioned that Jordan got swept in the first round two consecutive years before he finally got some help! :-X
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Jordan is the GOAT, hands down. There's no question. It's not even debatable. Anyone who thinks Kobe>>Jordan should pull their head out of their ass. And anyone who thinks Kobe carried the Lakers to the championship while Shaq was around is just flat out retarded.
LOL@acting like you've ever watched Jordan play or the Lakers during the 3peat.
Ive watched more basketball than you have. All you do is watch the Laker games and ride nuts. I doubt you were even old enough to remember Jordan while he winning his first title against LA. Just sit back and know your role buddy, and try and keep the nuts out of your mouth.
Aren't you the same age as me, pussy? And if you've really watched as much basketball as you claim, then you must be retarded. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just don't watch...
Im 24, I thought you were like 19 or somethin, anyways who the fuck are you calling pussy? You cant handle it, the fact that the majority of this board thinks Jordan>>>Kobe? Nobody should really expect the biggest Kobe nutrider ever to bow down to Jordan in this scenario, but still, the stats dont lie homie. Just keep reading them, over and over, and over. And stop trying to me up with ways to make Kobe sound better because its not working and nobody is falling for it LOL
That's sad if you're 24, pussy. When I read your posts, I picture a 15 year old...And I don't give a fuck if people say Jordan>Kobe, it's the people who are claiming Kobe isn't on pace to being greater with the skiil he possesses at his current age who baffle me.
Yeah I feel you on that. If you think Jordan is better than Kobe - no problem. But to say he's not even a worthy comparison - give me a fuckin break. Dude is already arguably the greatest scorer ever. He's a much better play maker. I Just wish Kobe would step his rebounding up. He should be averaging at least 6.