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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Sanford - V. President of the Dangerous Crew Movement on July 03, 2007, 11:12:44 AM

Title: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Sanford - V. President of the Dangerous Crew Movement on July 03, 2007, 11:12:44 AM: i remember watching that hip honors shit when they were inducting Ice. They said he was responsible for breaking down the doors for the West Coast and incorporating the pimp game on wax.

i disagree. thats just me though.

i was wondering, when someone asks "who was the first big rapper on the West? or Who put that pimp game shit on wax?"

Who do you give the credit to? $hort or Ice?

and by the way, those fuckers at VH1 better honor $hort soon or the Dangerous Crew Movement we got going is gonna fuck the next ceremony up.

8)
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Fresco on July 03, 2007, 11:19:00 AM: I don't know when Ice-T came in the game but Short Dogg is around since '84, I guess he is the real pioneer.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Hoodlum204 on July 03, 2007, 11:30:46 AM: Quote from: Fresco on July 03, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
I don't know when Ice-T came in the game but Short Dogg is around since '84, I guess he is the real pioneer.
I Agree.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: eazye on July 03, 2007, 11:44:01 AM: As far as I know, $hort's been rappin' since 82-83 and probably the same could be said as Ice.Commercially, Ice made more noise in 84 with his song "Killers" which made he to be known as one of the first political rappers.Then with "6 In The Mornin'" he was one of the first gangsta rappers.That's what history tells us about him (briefly).$hort on the other hand has always been known as the first to incorporate the pimpin' game on wax

However, agin commercially, Ice was the first big rapper on the west

And fuck yeah, they should honner $hort.I gotta say it tho, VH1 is probably one of the few to pay homage to the Hip-Hop greats
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: QuietTruth on July 03, 2007, 12:15:45 PM: I don't know prolly nuthin' about Too Short but Ice had 'The Coldest Rap' out in '83.

I don't know how much it broke down the doors for pimp game in the West Coast. The record just sounds like everythang else coming out at that time, just aside from being that Ice is from the West.

I don't know, I always thought of Ice bein' more 'pimpish' later on becuz to me, he was more 'gangsta' wit it. Especially with the '6 In The Mornin'.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: AnybodyKilla on July 03, 2007, 12:54:55 PM: SHORT DAWG!!!
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Jakubs on July 03, 2007, 03:26:40 PM: I always viewed Ice-T as more of a gangsta rapper, and Too $hort as more of a pimp game type rapper. I too agree that $hort needs to be honored by VH1, and please stop having Fat Joe as a guest artist. I'm sick of seeing that fool doing all these covers.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Westcoastfanatic on July 03, 2007, 04:06:04 PM: They both started making records at the same time and they both signed a deal with a major record deal at the same time too. Around 86 or 87 T signed with Sire Records and Short signed with Jive. Before that they were both on small labels. But even doe Short sold more records than Ice T, T has been more known all over the world. Probably coz of that whole "Cop Killer" controversy. But yeah Too Short should be honored too. They're both legends.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Al Bundy on July 03, 2007, 04:06:59 PM: Both are dope as fuck. I bump both of em on the regular 8)
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Paul on July 03, 2007, 04:29:24 PM: i dont really play alot of ice t, but short dog is 1 of my favourites 8)
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: SmokinDro520 on July 03, 2007, 05:02:41 PM: Quote from: Bigg Paul on July 03, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
i dont really play alot of ice t, but short dog is 1 of my favourites 8)
Same here andToo $hort is known for spittin some pimp shit more than G-Shit, and with Ice T its the other way around
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Sanford - V. President of the Dangerous Crew Movement on July 03, 2007, 05:06:51 PM: its not only about who started what. think from Born to Mack all the way to Gettin It and how many albums hes sold, how many back to back platinum records he has.

its a shame really.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Paul on July 03, 2007, 05:07:24 PM: Quote from: Hydro520 on July 03, 2007, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: Bigg Paul on July 03, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
i dont really play alot of ice t, but short dog is 1 of my favourites 8)
Same here andToo $hort is known for spittin some pimp shit more than G-Shit, and with Ice T its the other way around

too short spits pimp shit over g shit beats 8)
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: SmokinDro520 on July 03, 2007, 05:21:56 PM: Quote from: Bigg Paul on July 03, 2007, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: Hydro520 on July 03, 2007, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: Bigg Paul on July 03, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
i dont really play alot of ice t, but short dog is 1 of my favourites 8)
Same here andToo $hort is known for spittin some pimp shit more than G-Shit, and with Ice T its the other way around

too short spits pimp shit over g shit beats 8)
HAHA Fosho 8)
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Dopeisjay on July 03, 2007, 05:57:44 PM: i was never feelin Ice ..Short dogg is dope is dope as fuck though
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: AboveTheLaw on July 03, 2007, 07:46:49 PM: Love Too $hort, although after Album Number 10 came out I wasn't feeling his music as much as his earlier releases.

Ice-T on the other hand deserves his props, although his wiki page says he was a pimp among also being a musician, actor, enterpreneur, in the army, etc...
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Sofa_King_Awesome on July 04, 2007, 12:19:08 AM: Too $hort by a landslide. I've never fell for Ice T 's story. He's a phony IMHO.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Fresco on July 04, 2007, 01:14:26 AM: Why when there is two rappers in a same topic some people feel obliged to diss one of them? ::)

BOTH are dope, yeah they are in a different kind but they both have dope tracks! You can't fuck with Ice-T's Six In The Morning, neither with Short's Invasion Of The Flat Bootie Bitches!
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Jay_J on July 04, 2007, 03:22:01 AM: They both started making records at the same time but Ice-t become a legend. Too short is still an avarage rapper on the west coast. But ice-t is the godfather, you know i'm sayin'. Ice-T is a rapper that every rapper (we listen today) influenced by him.
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Paul on July 04, 2007, 04:39:58 AM: Quote from: Cey_Cey on July 04, 2007, 03:22:01 AM
Too short is still an avarage rapper on the west coast. But ice-t is the

good one
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: LBCstyle on July 04, 2007, 06:59:56 AM: (http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000004UO.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

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Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Chad on July 04, 2007, 07:32:48 AM: When I think of a pimp/player in this rap shit, I think immeditely think of $hort...when I think of OG gangsta, I automatically think of Ice...I think they are both well-respected and both originated they're own personas in their own ways....but $hort has been a mack since day one and never changed his style or persona...I think Ice kinda started out on the gangsta shit tip, and kinda incorporated the pimpin' side of him as he grew....
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Furor Teutonicus on July 04, 2007, 08:02:50 AM: Quote from: Jake - CFO of The Dangerous Crew Movement on July 03, 2007, 03:26:40 PM
I always viewed Ice-T as more of a gangsta rapper, and Too $hort as more of a pimp game type rapper.

Short's tha Pimp, Iceberg da Gangsta. I like em both, they both were the pioneer of their genre/theme, so I guess it's a draw for me
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Bay Area Jat on July 04, 2007, 08:37:10 AM: 2 short
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Paul on July 04, 2007, 09:59:51 AM: Quote from: LBCstyle on July 04, 2007, 06:59:56 AM
(http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0000004UO.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

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nice
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: FLIXX on July 04, 2007, 10:59:31 AM: Too Short..Hands down!! Born 2 Mack
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Fresco on July 04, 2007, 11:42:03 AM: Yes I agree, they can't be compared, they just need to be put aside and they both deserve props as pioneers!
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: Westdog on July 05, 2007, 04:27:46 PM: Ice-T is better,is a first o.g. rapper
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: westkoastanostra on July 05, 2007, 10:02:55 PM: i think that theyre both great in their own way....and its more like a draw...ice-t with his shit gangsta/pimp while short with his pimp/playa shit....that both of em deserve to be recognized as pioneers of not only the west but hip-hop aswell....they've been there, done that, and have sold plenty of records, and have many hit records that got influenced in hip-hop... its a shame that vh1 never acknowledged sum 1 like short dog, but whatever...they aint about hip-hop n e ways...
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on July 05, 2007, 11:48:49 PM: music Too short but ICe T is quite the character lol
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: QuietTruth on July 06, 2007, 09:55:20 AM: Quote from: Keepin it real in 07 on July 05, 2007, 11:48:49 PM
music Too short but ICe T is quite the character lol
LMFAO!
Title: Re: Too $hort or Ice-T
Post by: floatin_above_everything on July 06, 2007, 12:17:11 PM: I'ma have to go with Short mainly because he is more current to my time. Ice T's best work was a little bit before my time so when I listen to it, it always sounds soutdated. Ice has released a few albums over the years, bust mostly garbo to my ears and while he's definitley not the best rapper imo, at least Short has a loooong track record of at LEAST solid albums to listen too.