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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Lord Funk on August 02, 2007, 10:41:49 AM
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From xxlmag.com.
By Elliot Wilson, the magazine's editor
Let It Out
“If the truth hurts you’ll be in pain. If the truth drives you crazy, you’ll be insane.”
—Sister Souljah
Here’s a lil story I gots to tell about an album and an artist that you know so well. Detox. Dr. Dre. Ring a bell? Anyway my secret plan before Baby and Weezy decided to go sunbathing topless was to announce the return of Andre Young on XXL’s 10th Anniversary Issue cover. No it wasn’t some write-around shit like the old folks at Scratch did. It was the real deal Holyfield.
Detox was really coming out (at least by the end of 2007) and Doc was gonna announce his formal return in the pages of hip-hop’s best magazine. But then things fell apart. Word to ?uestlove. August was too soon to spill the beans so I fell back. Was promised the cover a few months later closer to the release. But now a few lil birdies from coast to coast are buzzing that Detox is not gonnna happen until at least early 2008. After Marshall crowns himself King.
What the kissin’-on-your-surrogate-daddy, peanut-butter-and-jelly shit is this?
Like I stressed to dude’s publicist it’s with all due respect that I express that this is one horrible decision and you can tell the big homie I said so. Even Lil Lava’s strategy of making us wait is questionable but this is downright absurd. You can’t keep hyping something on-and-off for stupid years and never deliver. These lil crumb snatchers have short-term memories. You play with real rap fans emotions for too long and like a bad relationship they’ll eventually stop giving a fuck. You can only respect your elders for so long.
Whatever happens Dre is already a first-ballot Hall of Famer but never letting Detox out of his hands is a stain on his career worst than any two-stepping tango in a video. Everybody loves and respects a perfectionist but enough is enough. After Curtis and Donda’s baby boy’s arm-wrestling match (Guess who my scrilla’s on?), there isn’t one truly inspiring superstar rap album release set for the end of this year (Sorry Nelly). Dre could come out and slap these young boys like Dee… I mean he could run the muthafuckin’ table. Hell jeah!
The time is now big homie—for the love of hip-hop. Take it like some cough medicine. It’s good for ya. Heed the word of the yellow brother. Let your album go. Time waits for no man, Superman.
P.S. I wonder if my invite to Paul Rosenberg’s born day bash is gonna mysteriously get reneged because of this. I think YN’s gone crazy. Oh well my wife and my mama love me. That and an ice-cold bottle of red Lillet and what else do you need?
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Fuck Dre lazy ass
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...You can’t keep hyping something on-and-off for stupid years and never deliver. These lil crumb snatchers have short-term memories. You play with real rap fans emotions for too long and like a bad relationship they’ll eventually stop giving a fuck.You can only respect your elders for so long... Whatever happens Dre is already a first-ballot Hall of Famer but never letting Detox out of his hands is a stain on his career worst than any two-stepping tango in a video. Everybody loves and respects a perfectionist but enough is enough.
Real talk, I think that's the way an awful lot of us feel about Detox
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Would be nice to get the album already, but I recon Dre doesn't give a fuck about what Elliot "YN" Wilson thinks.
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^^^^ all Dre fans think the same thing..
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damn...drop it dre
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Would be nice to get the album already, but I recon Dre doesn't give a fuck about what Elliot "YN" Wilson thinks.
He should care considering what Elliot "YN" Wilson thinks is also what all of his diehard fans think. People are losing patience, I know i stopped caring or keeping up with Detox updates about 2 years ago. When a single is released I'll start talking about it again, until then its pointless.
On another note, the author of the article is right about this being a perfect time for Dre to release this album, after Kanye and 50 Drop there'll be nothing on the horizon. I'm also skeptical on Eminems album dropping early '08, I'm think it'll drop later that year.
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y'all probably gon complain about it when it finally drops.
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y'all probably gon complain about it when it finally drops.
Probably...and u know..all the push backs and stuff would be a big reason why. Even Dre's biggest fans will grade that album hard because of all the teasing and pushbacks, i know i will .
Supposedly its not laziness but him seeking perfection, so let's see what he got.
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the funny thing is nobody knows when em´s fuckin album comes out and it don´t drop this year...so dre is lazy r he is a nerd....lol
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y'all probably gon complain about it when it finally drops.
Probably...and u know..all the push backs and stuff would be a big reason why. Even Dre's biggest fans will grade that album hard because of all the teasing and pushbacks, i know i will .
Supposedly its not laziness but him seeking perfection, so let's see what he got.
Yeah man, i agree 100% with that though. I think that's going to be the reason why.
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I dont see how Detox could NOT be a disappointment whenever it drops, cant no album live up to years of anticipation like that. That thing needs to be PERFECT from the song titles down to the fade out of the song if he waiting this long. All I care about hearing in rap 8 Diagrams, Cuban Linx 2, and Detox. And looks like the last 2 on the list wont even come out, and they affiliated with the same person. hmmmm
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In a way, this is one of the most relevant Detox threads I've read in years....even though it's one of the most negative.
I mean, it's true. Yeah, you're Dre...but people really do get tired of waiting....and to be real, ONLY the die hard fans even care about it at this point! I got to Florida in 02, and when I got there, people who didn't care for West coast music were like "well the only good thing y'all got comin is Detox"....but five years later, if you ask the average kid who's 20 or under about Detox, they'll be like "what's that? Oh, Dre has another album comin out?"
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At this rate the Detox album cover will have a 10 year anniversary on the front for the amount of time we've been waiting for it.
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At this rate the Detox album cover will have a 10 year anniversary on the front for the amount of time we've been waiting for it.
LOL!!!
I agree with some of his points, yeah we've all bin waitin years 4 Detox 2 drop, but I doubt Dre is gonna take much notice of what dude is sayin! Dre gonna drop Detox when hes ready, not wen anybody else says theyre ready 4 it!
Shit I'm dyin 2 b able 2 go 2 the store grab a copy n stick it in my stereo this yr, but who knows......
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What the kissin’-on-your-surrogate-daddy, peanut-butter-and-jelly shit is this?
Funny...lol I think the longer we wait for Detox, the longer we wait for the Reformation. I hope he just drop bishop shit first..
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here's an idea... lock Dre & Crooked I up in the studio together and let them work this shit out... i mean if you're expecting perfection from an album, then these 2 could nail it on both ends... Dre production & Crooked I lyrics.
you need to sip some kool-aid that is devoid of tanqueray. crooked i? seriously?
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I'd rather have dre wait as long as he wants until he feels his album is ready. I don't even care about detox updates. when it drops it drops. I do know though, when Dre feels he's ready to have it released. it's going to be the dopest album ever created in hip hop.
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The problem is that Dre is not just "waiting" to release, he has been recording new material all the time. Until he got the sound direction that he wanted, I doubt very many songs with him rapping over them were recorded. That being said, I'm sure Dre could have hit us with a tremendous album at any point over the last few years, so it is by no means a complete excuse for the repeated delays. I think we'll "understand" the delays once we hear the first single and the album.
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these guys aren't used to being treated that way, and rightfully so since they are the top dogs, but there are those like Dre and Jay Z that operate on another level, because they can.... them dudes can get fuckin Super Bowl & World Series spots with zero problems
Jay had them fly out to France where he was at for them to do their piece last year...
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The problem is that Dre is not just "waiting" to release, he has been recording new material all the time. Until he got the sound direction that he wanted, I doubt very many songs with him rapping over them were recorded. That being said, I'm sure Dre could have hit us with a tremendous album at any point over the last few years, so it is by no means a complete excuse for the repeated delays. I think we'll "understand" the delays once we hear the first single and the album.
Well Put Mayne!!
Props
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but there are those like Dre and Jay Z that operate on another level, because they can.... them dudes can get fuckin Super Bowl & World Series spots with zero problems
Jay had them fly out to France where he was at for them to do their piece last year...
For Real???
dang@!
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Yup..... YN himself flew out to France for that interview..
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He won't get a dime from me..Download only
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meh detox
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Like some1 said b4 Dre doesnt give a fuck what ppl. say he gonna drop Detox when "he" (and only he) feels Detox is ready to drop. Honestly I seriously doubt that Detox will drop in "early" 2008......cuz 2008 is 4 months away after this month. And u know that Dre gonna have helllllaaa promotion for this album......imo he will drop the first single many months b4 the album drops......then drop a second single b4 the album drops........so imo if were all hopin' for a "early" 08 release then we need a single soooooonnnn........ :-\
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its comin :)
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In a way, this is one of the most relevant Detox threads I've read in years....even though it's one of the most negative.
I mean, it's true. Yeah, you're Dre...but people really do get tired of waiting....and to be real, ONLY the die hard fans even care about it at this point! I got to Florida in 02, and when I got there, people who didn't care for West coast music were like "well the only good thing y'all got comin is Detox"....but five years later, if you ask the average kid who's 20 or under about Detox, they'll be like "what's that? Oh, Dre has another album comin out?"
anyone under 20 lol thats so true, kids dont care abot dre these days slol
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The problem is that Dre is not just "waiting" to release, he has been recording new material all the time. Until he got the sound direction that he wanted, I doubt very many songs with him rapping over them were recorded. That being said, I'm sure Dre could have hit us with a tremendous album at any point over the last few years, so it is by no means a complete excuse for the repeated delays. I think we'll "understand" the delays once we hear the first single and the album.
Well said.
I'm still looking forward to Detox, but not in such a way that I'm anticipating it like crazy. When it drops, I'll be hella satisfied. But for now, I'd rather look forward to the debut album from Omar, Jay Rock & Bishop.
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^^^^ all Dre fans think the same thing..
Damn, all of us? Shit, I was sure I wasn't thinking like that last night...
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He should at least drop a single to hold us over until the actual release date.
Problem is, when Dre is producing a project the first single is usually the last or the next to last song recorded.
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the more he delay it, the better he'll gotta make it
8) 8) 8)
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it's been a loooong and drawn out process but i think it is actually coming. a good amount of the record is probably complete by now, its just the final direction and all the tinkering/mastering and singles that need ironing out now....there has been 0 official news on the project, so nobody can say dre said this dre said that etc. he said he's been working on it, bishop shouted 'detox, september bitches' on that myspace clip with dre right next to him but at the end of the day you knew it was gonna take a little longer.
i think providing 50 stat and eminem drop within the next 8 months, we'll quickly be seeing either bishop or dre lined up to release their albums next year. if detox doesn't come out next year then i don't think its ever gonna be released now...having said that i think it will, i'm just curious to see what kind of sound we'll be getting as to be fair dre's latest stuff has been all over the place. from snoop's round here to stat's here we go it's been a mixed bag.
i still think outta control rmx is the hottest beat dre has dropped in a long ass time, its got that addictive dre sound to it with more futuristic elements such as the crazy bassline. fat chance that was a leftover from the massacre. i'm looking for those kind of crisp productions but with more melodies and more elements. an album of that with all the usual suspects would be something worth waiting for. then again it might be completely different, but whatever the sound it's the quality of the music that this is ultimately gonna boil down to. i can safely say that tracks like imagine are timeless productions and would fit in on a detox recorded at any stage.
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I heard that hes struggling with the idea of releasing this album in the climate the rap game is in right now...he dont want his shit getting bootlegged on the internet...the only rapper Ive ever seen beat the bootleg hustle is TI on his King album...he realeased a few phony editions on the net to confuse the bootleggers when the real shit hit retail no one had heard it yet.
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I heard that hes struggling with the idea of releasing this album in the climate the rap game is in right now...he dont want his shit getting bootlegged on the internet...the only rapper Ive ever seen beat the bootleg hustle is TI on his King album...he realeased a few phony editions on the net to confuse the bootleggers when the real shit hit retail no one had heard it yet.
the mars volta does that shit too.
honestly, I can wait. I want it to be perfect and to Dre's liking. I certainly don't have all the music I want in my collection. so until you have no more new music to acquire...you really can't bitch.
BUT these rappers he fucks with like Raekwon, Eminem, and Bishop? It ain't like producing or even musicianing/singing...you can't be 45 and rapping. I wouldn't care but it just wouldn't fly. Rae, Em and Bishop need to drop before they get too old. Bishop has NO buzz...he had a buzz for a second, but the thrill is gone. My only criticism of dre is that he's doing a big disfavor to his artists by
)not dropping their records
)not producing whole albums
-T
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Dont agree with that blog im sure he will be the first to complain if the album is garbage.
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Does any1 even have any info or ideas on who will show up on "Detox"!? Game? DPG? Snoop?............etc.............
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Does any1 even have any info or ideas on who will show up on "Detox"!? Game? DPG? Snoop?............etc.............
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dre claims he's recollaborating with most past collaborators and there have been heavy rumors that Dre wants Game/50 on a track.
he's also co-producing with everyone from his old collaborators like Mel-man, storch etc. to other legends like DJ Premier and possibly Rza.
-T
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if anyone really thinks that game is gonna be on detox your lying to yourself.
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if anyone really thinks that game is gonna be on detox your lying to yourself.
I think Game will be on "Detox".........u know Snoop real tight with Game and U know Dre gonna have Snoop on the record........in my opinion I think Snoop will have some pull to get Game a verse or two on "Detox"........ ;)
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I'm not going to rhyme this post because I want to be serious for this post.
I don't think Detox will live up to the expectations. I'm expecting either:
A) You know how Dre and DOC say expect the unexpected? Well, it might be something TOO different for fans to swallow, you know? Like Kingdom Come was just too different from Jay's other albums. Dre might be trying to create something "different" like Kingdom Come was a complete left turn from Jay's usual sound, but will that necessarily be a good thing? Some diehards will go along with it, but most people, especially young people who weren't even around when The Chronic dropped, will think it's WACK. I mean, it's not going to be gangsta gangsta, so what if it's singing and gospel and stuff like that with rapping over it. It might be just TOO different for its own good.
B) There is also just this possibility -- I'm not sure Dre has it in him anymore to make a new sound that changes the game type of masterpiece. I mean, musicians are just like athletes and filmmakers and anybody else who's creative. As you get older, you lose your skills. The athlete, musician, whatever, might still think in his opinion that he still has it, but everybody else will recognize the fall off. I mean, seriously -- some of the beats that "perfectionist" Dre releases nowadays just plain aren't examples of "perfection". How is this possible? Dre might have lost his skill, but not even realize it, and all the artists who work with him just go along with his beats because this is still a business after all, and Dre beats = $, regardless of whether the artist knows deep down that the beat ain't all that. Nearly everybody agrees that The Chronic was better than 2001, and I think 2001 will be better than Detox. Judging from history, it's just the way the trajectory goes.
C) A combination of A and B.
I'm thinking option C. What I'm unsure about is the percentages of the mixture of elements A and B.
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I'm not going to rhyme this post because I want to be serious for this post.
I don't think Detox will live up to the expectations. I'm expecting either:
A) You know how Dre and DOC say expect the unexpected? Well, it might be something TOO different for fans to swallow, you know? Like Kingdom Come was just too different from Jay's other albums. Dre might be trying to create something "different" like Kingdom Come was a complete left turn from Jay's usual sound, but will that necessarily be a good thing? Some diehards will go along with it, but most people, especially young people who weren't even around when The Chronic dropped, will think it's WACK. I mean, it's not going to be gangsta gangsta, so what if it's singing and gospel and stuff like that with rapping over it. It might be just TOO different for its own good.
B) There is also just this possibility -- I'm not sure Dre has it in him anymore to make a new sound that changes the game type of masterpiece. I mean, musicians are just like athletes and filmmakers and anybody else who's creative. As you get older, you lose your skills. The athlete, musician, whatever, might still think in his opinion that he still has it, but everybody else will recognize the fall off. I mean, seriously -- some of the beats that "perfectionist" Dre releases nowadays just plain aren't examples of "perfection". How is this possible? Dre might have lost his skill, but not even realize it, and all the artists who work with him just go along with his beats because this is still a business after all, and Dre beats = $, regardless of whether the artist knows deep down that the beat ain't all that. Nearly everybody agrees that The Chronic was better than 2001, and I think 2001 will be better than Detox. Judging from history, it's just the way the trajectory goes.
C) A combination of A and B.
I'm thinking option C. What I'm unsure about is the percentages of the mixture of elements A and B.
Dre still has the skill to make an individual tight beat/song/production, but the question that I'm sure he's even asking himself is does he have the skill to put together a consistently dope and cohesive album length statement.
Dre is more concerned with commercializing his music these days than perfecting it. That said, whereas you're worried it will be too original and unpopular I worry it will be too popular/commercial and not enough originality/creativity/artistry. In other words, my concern is the reverse of your option A.
-T
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detox is gonna be great. reasons why it is and why your reasons are bullshit...random from everyone i think is wrong.
numbers are in no order just points
1.game will be on detox.
did you forget dre signed game? his public beef with 50 prevented dre from producing with game or else 50 would be pissed, and 50 is almost as rich as dre, so i think he listened. if dre is taking 7 years to drop detox, exactly how he wants it, do u think a beef between his army will stop him from putting game on his album...he already cosigned him with documentary and signing the kid, he has faith in how game can spit, fuck 50, this is dres album and he knows that.
2. fuck skills getting worst with time. producing music and rapping doesnt require any muscles or youth, just your mind. they can tweak his voice anyway they like. so yeah, physically he wont be
able to tour or dance as much, but really? bob dylan over 40 albums, rolling stones, neil diamond, bruce springstein, ray charles, stevie wonder, all the GREATS and people that DOMINATE their industry are still doin it. there are plenty of great actors who are old, so dont even try that. hell farve is still starting , what 7 years after he played in the SB when he was 30somthing? bonds just broke the record...hes over 40. new wu tang album....oh shit the Wu is old now, they are over 30 35.....your right, the new wu tang album is gonna suck too. eminem kinda fell off with age also. just like hugh heftner's game fell off when he turned 60.....ha do you really think every musical masterpeice came from someone under 40? there are craftsmen who work till they die becasue they masterd a craft. hip hop music is his craft, and by his track record, he masterd it. he was involved in most huge hip hop artists lately. EM, 50, game, Snoop, 2pac, jay z, nas, BUSTA, X,
he isnt responsible for lil wayne, TI jeezy, kanye, fab, who else is hot...or ws hot in the last 10 years...the superstars in the game know dr dre personally.
there were some other points but i got on the phone and dont wanna reread everything.
whoever said lock crooked i in the studio with dre...good idea. too bad dre already thought of that.
go here:
http://www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/play-audio.php?rid=86658&path=crooked_I-Say_DRDre
its crooked ghostwriting for dre. there were reports a while ago when the song was release as to how it leaked. i guess dre sent over a beat to deathrow to have crooked spit on it. he did and sent it back, but in the meantime someone else already had a copy and leaked it...now its on a crooked mixtape.....anyway its pretty good, try and hear dre instead of crooked
anyway those are my thoughts....i agree with him taking his time....just pretend like he didnt say it was coming out....pretend hes on vacation....when he comes back, hes gonna be bigger than HOV (sales and hype and radio domination for years)