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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MOON KNIGHT on January 14, 2008, 08:36:06 PM
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Bishop on HoodHype Radio discussing label politics, The Aftermath/Joell Ortiz situation.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6515806e76cfab/ (http://www.zshare.net/audio/6515806e76cfab/)
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>:(
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Unfortunately this really sucks. Joell is talented as hell but is anyone really suprised at it?? These labels better do something quick to get out the fuckin hole they in before the whole industry falls apart completely.
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bishop is next
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label politics, hope bishop ain't next
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I knew that shit was coming, Joell just doesn't have that aftermath sound, hopefully he finds a label that lets him be himself
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bishop is next
woulnt be suprised
bishop = papoose
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;D ;D at people thinking bishop will drop a album under aftermath.....that nigga better go get himself a nice lil deal with koch and drop a few project's and make some money like joell is doing or P from mobb deep
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bishop is next
true, he ain't that talented anyway, so I don't mind either
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fuck interscope
but if he goes to Jay-Z's label, he's going to have to deal with the same parent company, since Uversal Music Group owns so much.
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bishop is next
woulnt be suprised
bishop = papoose
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Not Surprised one bit.
I mean If Aftermath couldn't produce an album for Rakim and let that fall through..
no offence but whose Joel Ortiz compared to that.
That being said, FUCK Interscope/Aftermath for Killing this artform by putting Mc's on Ice.
That's all they do, is hold an MC until they are luke warm and then release them once their buzz is dead.
kinda reminds me of a Sport's team making a trade for a Player just so they don't have face them in a Playoff game.
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Bishop is gonna release his album on Aftermath
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damn I didn't hear about Joell getting dropped, that sucks, but yeah he really didn't have much of that Aftermath sound
first Gage, now Joell, hopefully Bishop ain't next, cuz I'm really startin' to feel his music more and have been listening to him more lately
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I knew that shit was coming, Joell just doesn't have that aftermath sound, hopefully he finds a label that lets him be himself
why cant he bring in his own producers
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Can't say I'm surprised that Ortiz got dropped.
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Bishop's not about to get dropped no time soon. He's too involved in Dre's Detox project as far as being heavily featured. Plus he constantly puts out mixtapes and material keeping his name out there.
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Can't say I'm suprised, we all saw it coming.
Here is the full interview, it starts at around 1 hour:
http://www.mickings.com/podcast/hh_058.mp3
When he got called in the radio Bishop said that they was just working on Detox with Raphael Saadiq 8) Reformation aint coming anytime soon though, he said that he still needs to go in with Premo, Pete Rock, Chad Hugo.... he basically said that Detox and Reformation are being created together, so I wouldn't expect it to drop untill 4th quarter.
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didnt surpise me since aftermath has put out any good music
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didnt surpise me since aftermath has put out any good music
You Aint like The Big Bang?
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^^Hey focus you working on Detox & Bishop's Reformation Album??
it's pretty sad for Joel Ortiz..I kinda like his flows!!!
i wish him the Best!!!!
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Damn Ortiz gotta be one of the better rappers comin up....hopefully this isnt true or he he hops onto a new deal
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THATS BULLSHIT JOEL ORTIZ > > BISHOP LAMONT. . JOEL HAZE A GOOD BUZZ TOO AND RECIEVED ALOT OF RESPECT FROM "THE BRICK" . .AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO KEEP STAT FUCKING QUO?? AND BISHOP IS BASICALLY GOING AT JIMMY IOVINE AS KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT "REAL HIP HOP" HE CAN EXPECT HIS ALBUM TO BE PUSHED A YEAR
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wack :-\
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^^Hey focus you working on Detox & Bishop's Reformation Album??
it's pretty sad for Joel Ortiz..I kinda like his flows!!!
i wish him the Best!!!!
The Reformation, not Detox(I Wish lol)
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lol,aftermath is a fuckin joke...stat quo? bishop? but drop Ortiz? what fuckin monkey makes the decisions over there?
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lol,aftermath is a fuckin joke...stat quo? bishop? but drop Ortiz? what fuckin monkey makes the decisions over there?
A monkey named Jimmy Iovine
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IT'S big biz,how many units did the bricc push?????? come on how many of yall brought joell's shit, how many of yall was like damn i hope joell is all over detox,hell most people on this muthafucca,would rather hear the dogg pound all over detox,be honest,joell can rap but alot of equals can rap,that label is about making shit that cross the fucc over!!! and if you are not willing to work in that system and sacrifice alot!!! or just be into making all types of records (cause "you" like it and grew up on it) you shouldn't try to get in a system like that, if you say you in this shit about spit'n flame don't think all about the fame. joell needs to be on a label that focuses on straight up lyricist,and unfortunately "chipper jones wise" those are indy labels. i mean start yall own labels and sign just lyricist and see how fucc'n hard it is,especially in a biz that doesn't really make money no more. something else the rap game needs to take in consideration,stop just trying to market to YOUNG KIDS!!!! IT'S NOT A WINNING SITUATION,UNLESS IT'S A FASHIONABLE OR PRETTY GIRL/BOY ARTIST,WHERE KIDS BUY THEY FUCC'N ALBUMS FOR THE DAMN PICTURES INSIDE OF EM. OLDER FANS ARE STILL MORE INTO BUYING THE ACTUAL PRODUCT CAUSE THATS HOW THEY CAME UP,PERFECT EXAMPLE IS ALICIA KEYS, YOU MAKE MUSIC "OLDER FANS" AND YOUNGER FANS CAN GET INTO, MOST OLDER FANS I KNOW IS BUYING IT WHILE THE YOUNGER ONE'S ARE SPLIT BETWEEN BUYING AND DOWNLOADING, AND YOU SEE IT IN HER SALES, SHE'S THRIVING HELLA IN A DOWN MARKET,EQUALS NEED TO THINK MORE YELL
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^The Brick WASN'T an Aftermath release
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^The Brick WASN'T an Aftermath release
i know that,but labels like the math and people like jimmy looks at releases to see what type of impact they make,joell's buzz didn't extend really beyond the net and he didn't see his commercial potential,like bishop said in the interview you got people who specialize and went to school for business and not for musicial talent yell
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aftermath makes good music but they have no idea what they're doing marketing wise
they need to hire me
i would have had that busta album sellin millions
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Ain't nobody selling units these days. No creativity=wack=no sale.
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well its official, he's dropped.
another one to add to the list.
hopefully now this will be a sign to Dre not to sign anyone untill they (him and interscope) get these other albums released.
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Bishop will flop very hard, not that he is wack, he is just unmarketable....With all the rap Critics, Rap Nerds, Media, magazines and ahrdcore rap fans its only like 100 000 of them, max, even less, looking at Beans and Freeway sales, Cham and all them good rappers, Styles P is doing good, but only 60 000 on Koch....
Bishop will sell 100-200 000, costing Aftermath Huge money, but something tells me Dre and Jimmy will predict Numbers way before the drop date and Drop Bishop...Dude hasnt got any buzz whatsoever, that mixtape shit takes like 20-40 000 people, people think that Street Buzz gets Huge Numbers, :'( , 50-100 000 most....
By Far, Em,50 and Game have been the only dudes who had Buzz that was enough to Spread over the Whole Solar System and Universe, seriously, if u go tohurricane-game.net and Go thru the Track of Games Interviews, appearances, Buzz, all them shits, dude had like 2-3 years of Ongoing Buzz, Same with 50, Eminem Kinda did that himself, but Game's project was Huge....50 cent fuked up Dre's Money by Bitching, and his money too....
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Bishop will flop very hard, not that he is wack, he is just unmarketable....
plus the fact that the whole music industry is dead.
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I Wonder if Bishop Got any of the Higher up's pissed off by leaking any of that 411?
Or was it already out there? And Bishop just had the balls to speak on it.
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Last Emperor. King T, Eve, Joe Beast, Gage, Brooklyn, Truth Hurts, J. Ortiz, Rakim, Hittman, RBX, Dawn Robinson,Antonio, Amie Terrin... 14 artists dropped .. next are Marsha, Stat, Tiffany and Dion ... Am I missing someone ::)
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dope interview bishop didn't really say anything incriminating in terms of interscope just hinted at the joell situation and in terms of his album it does sound like it might be a wait this year, hopefully not too long though...especially if they already have a video...who knows though ;d
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Dion was already dropped. Don't know if he ever actually got signed but Hi-Tek said Jimmy Iovine didn't wanna sign him.
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Well, you could see it coming for a while. But on the other hand, now Joell can go and get that better deal that's out there.
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all aftermath needs to do is get a song of bishop over a knockin' dr. dre westcoast beat and make a video for it with dre and the whole aftermath posse in it making cameo's with lowriders and all that west coast g-funk flavor and it'll be all over MTV and etc.
then $$$$ when the album drops
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all aftermath needs to do is get a song of bishop over a knockin' dr. dre westcoast beat and make a video for it with dre and the whole aftermath posse in it making cameo's with lowriders and all that west coast g-funk flavor and it'll be all over MTV and etc.
then $$$$ when the album drops
That's just what it takes.... people bad mouthing Bishop coz their boy Joell got dropped when they should direct their hate to the people that actually dropped him. All B. Lamont did was give some info and a situation then the thread turned into a Bishop album not coming out/Bishop being dropped next thread
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That's just what it takes.... people bad mouthing Bishop coz their boy Joell got dropped when they should direct their hate to the people that actually dropped him. All B. Lamont did was give some info and a situation then the thread turned into a Bishop album not coming out/Bishop being dropped next thread
i don't understand why they don't do that
it worked for eminem's career and the still d.r.e. video for chronic 2001
they need to bring that flavor back with bishop and dre, snoop, etc. video co-signs
it's a wrap after that because that's what the people want
u bring that nuthin but a g thang/still dre video type flavor with the appearances on a dre produced bishop lamont single and it will blow the fukk up
i don't understand why they didn't do this with the re-invention of busta rhymes
it should be part of their formula
aftermath promotions are some dumb fukks
put me in charge they'll be bigger than ever
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Well, you could see it coming for a while. But on the other hand, now Joell can go and get that better deal that's out there.
Very true. Joell had been hinting at this for the past 2 months.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH, TELL ME THIS,WHY DO WEST COAST ARTIST HAVE TO BE IN LOW RIDERS AND DO THE TYPICAL WEST COAST THING ALL THE TIME?????? I MEAN DAMN,THAT SHIT IS WACC,THATS WHY WE CAN'T GET NO FUCC'N WHERE,BISHOP STYLE IS NOT OF THAT GANGSTA SHIT,YEAH HE CAN GET TOUGH WITH HIS MUSIC,BUT HE'S MORE OF A PERSONALITY,WHY NOT SHOW THAT? he could be a character like em and be that ill lyricist at the same time,yet muthafuccas want to paint him as the typical cali artist,WHAT WORKS FOR GAME WILL NOT WORK FOR BISHOP. GAME GETS IN TO CHARACTER AND DOES THE TYPICAL GANG BANG SHIT THAT PEOPLE GREW UP ON OUT HERE 97% OF THE TIME.BISHOP DOESN'T, CATS SCREAM FUCC STUDIO GANGSTA'S ALL DAY,YET YALL ADVOCATE PEOPLE TO FAKE IT HAHAHAHAHAHA,JUST LIKE DR DRE, CATS WANT HIM ON THAT GANGSTA GANGSTA ACTIVE TIP,YET DUDE AIN'T LIVING LIKE THAT,AND DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE I DON'T GIVE A FUCC ATTITUDE HE HAD WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER. GET YALL MINDS RIGHT WEST COAST YELL
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listen up fukkface,
bishop is a lyrical artist, i know that
i ain't sayin he gotta act like a gangsta
he just gotta add a little of that west coast flava to the videos especially since he's rollin with Dre and he's reppin 4 cali
it's what your average listeners wanna see when its doc dre affiliated
he can still spit lyrical and be in his neighborhood with a 6-4 impala in a vid with doc dre pullin up to get him at the beginnin or sumthin
why would that matter?
no one relates low riders and that dre shit strictly with gangster blood crip rhymes
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fuced up cuz that nicca joell is dope, but that shiet aint got nuthin to do with bishop. some of yall niccas is straight up haters on here.
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Did Joell Ortiz ever get/ or use any original Dre beats for any songs ?
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listen up fukkface,
bishop is a lyrical artist, i know that
i ain't sayin he gotta act like a gangsta
he just gotta add a little of that west coast flava to the videos especially since he's rollin with Dre and he's reppin 4 cali
it's what your average listeners wanna see when its doc dre affiliated
he can still spit lyrical and be in his neighborhood with a 6-4 impala in a vid with doc dre pullin up to get him at the beginnin or sumthin
why would that matter?
no one relates low riders and that dre shit strictly with gangster blood crip rhymes
what you just said is sooooo 92-94...this is the reason why west coast Artists do not shine...as for Mr.Ortiz, being dropped is the best thing that happened to him. Dr.Dre is just a puppet he cant even control his artists as a fact he doesnt even own aftermath.