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Title: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: kuruptDPG on March 23, 2008, 05:10:31 PM
what snoop said about the plays the westcoast get from othr radio stations, its true but thats not the big problem. artists are not depending on westcoast producers, their eithr going to eastcoast or dirty south producers, wat does that show, east & south r on top. F the westcoast want ther credit deservd, then stik wit the westcoast style. Thers no probs wit havn a few producrs out of the west but majority of an album must b from the west. wc producers must work harder to make classics. dre has to be more active. daz was the best producer in 96/97, he needs to be back doing the classic shit, so does dre. ppl should go to johnny j, qd3, dj pooh, mike mosley, battlecat etc (i can go on!!).Johny j made gd points (listn 2 his recent intrview), he is also 1 of the best & im shokd no1 has askd 4 his shit apart from lil e. these producers are not active anymore. even if they are, ther not producing the way they used to, they need to spend more time.

Lyrical aspect i dont kno much, i dont c it as a problm but kurupt has 2 bring bak that shit (only artist i can think of). His freestyls r dope but wen it cums 2 him on a trak, its ok.

Snoop, game (only 2 artists i can think of) should hav quik, rick rock on several traks 4 future albums. 4 these 2, ppl who r n2 rap, can say who producd this? & wen they find out, theyd b lik whoa, wc producr producd this?
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...


Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: kuruptDPG on March 23, 2008, 05:39:02 PM
^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...

I sure can homie but im jus sayin thats the real reasn why westcoast is faln. Eg snoops sexual eruption, now thats a classic but how is it a classic? The beat is from a dirty south producr, so realy in a way u can say ther kinda taken credit 4 the song. I hope thats ok 2 undrstnd lol.

By the way is scott storch a westcoast producr or east? Wers he from?
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: js83 on March 23, 2008, 05:54:25 PM
east & south r on top.

East ain't on the top...they been fell the fuck off for years now...none of their records(except for jay-z) aint selling at all...the south...unfortunatly, is still on the top...
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...

I sure can homie but im jus sayin thats the real reasn why westcoast is faln. Eg snoops sexual eruption, now thats a classic but how is it a classic? The beat is from a dirty south producr, so realy in a way u can say ther kinda taken credit 4 the song. I hope thats ok 2 undrstnd lol.

By the way is scott storch a westcoast producr or east? Wers he from?

Storch is Canadian as far as i can recall..but he is more East,cuz he started with the Roots..But he is well rounded producer..
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 06:40:58 PM
^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...

I sure can homie but im jus sayin thats the real reasn why westcoast is faln. Eg snoops sexual eruption, now thats a classic but how is it a classic? The beat is from a dirty south producr, so realy in a way u can say ther kinda taken credit 4 the song. I hope thats ok 2 undrstnd lol.


For Snoop's single, yeah i know what you mean!
it kinda gives a conflicting feel to it, if you were to look at it that way
Snoop a pioneers of west Coast, G-Funk Sound, flowing on a Dirty South Beat
but to others it could mean the merging of both coast to vibe on flow as one regardless of coastal boundaries..

I don't have a cut clear answer why, i can only hazard a guess that, the South seems to be on top and they more or less only back their own artist first, before they reach out to other artist, So by Snoop flowing on on theirs, he is not only showing love tot he South, but trying bridge the Gap between both coast from working together more often and getting WestCoast music played in the south..
I May be wrong,but that's the way i See it...

Props on the Topic and Title Thread Homie!
+1
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: HEC on March 23, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
props on the read guys, anybody know what Battlecat is up too these days? I know he did that "LAX" on Snoop's last album but he has been MIA for the most part unless I have been sleeping
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 06:52:42 PM
props on the read guys, anybody know what Battlecat is up too these days? I know he did that "LAX" on Snoop's last album but he has been MIA for the most part unless I have been sleeping

Battlecat has been working on a few betas for his Group as far i can recall..Amplified a regular poster on here works with Battlecat, informed us not too long ago advised that they worked on a few Beats for Snoop, but were not sure if Snoop would use them..


Unfortunately Cat didn't get anything on Ego Trippin.. Did some really great tracks for him too.. Surprised he didn't make it..
from the Thread=>http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=171068.0
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: HEC on March 23, 2008, 07:53:31 PM
props on the read guys, anybody know what Battlecat is up too these days? I know he did that "LAX" on Snoop's last album but he has been MIA for the most part unless I have been sleeping

Battlecat has been working on a few betas for his Group as far i can recall..Amplified a regular poster on here works with Battlecat, informed us not too long ago advised that they worked on a few Beats for Snoop, but were not sure if Snoop would use them..


Unfortunately Cat didn't get anything on Ego Trippin.. Did some really great tracks for him too.. Surprised he didn't make it..
from the Thread=>http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=171068.0

props on that Mackin, I've always been a big fan of Cat, maybe Snoops loss is someone elses gain I guess
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
props on the read guys, anybody know what Battlecat is up too these days? I know he did that "LAX" on Snoop's last album but he has been MIA for the most part unless I have been sleeping

Battlecat has been working on a few betas for his Group as far i can recall..Amplified a regular poster on here works with Battlecat, informed us not too long ago advised that they worked on a few Beats for Snoop, but were not sure if Snoop would use them..


Unfortunately Cat didn't get anything on Ego Trippin.. Did some really great tracks for him too.. Surprised he didn't make it..
from the Thread=>http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=171068.0

maybe Snoops loss is someone elses gain I guess
^yeah, that's the only way i can sum it all Up!!
Hopefully the artist or group of artist that get the opportunity to perform on those songs, do it justice!
As For Cat & Snoop, I know Cat usually hits the deck with Snoop, when Snoop is performing Live, so as far their relationship goes, i think it's still very Much cordial!


props on that Mackin, I've always been a big fan of Cat

As I Am!!!
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 23, 2008, 08:05:41 PM
Boy Snoop gets alot of heat from people about the west's problems. He is only one man. And he currently has a single out from a westcoast producer. Life Of The Party I believe is done by Scoop DeVille. But to stick with the subject, why doesn't Cube get credit for using westcoast producers. Teak and De, Maestro, Laylaw, Fred Wreck, etc he has used on his last album. Game had JR Rotem, Jelly Roll, EP on his last one as well.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: HEC on March 23, 2008, 08:16:56 PM
Boy Snoop gets alot of heat from people about the west's problems. He is only one man. And he currently has a single out from a westcoast producer. Life Of The Party I believe is done by Scoop DeVille. But to stick with the subject, why doesn't Cube get credit for using westcoast producers. Teak and De, Maestro, Laylaw, Fred Wreck, etc he has used on his last album. Game had JR Rotem, Jelly Roll, EP on his last one as well.

I agree Snoop gets too much heat sometimes, and Cube got too when he went to the Bomb Squad to produce for Amerikkkas Most back in '90 I believe, it doesnt matter too much to me if the production is dope its dope
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 23, 2008, 08:18:38 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: HEC on March 23, 2008, 08:22:03 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Mackin on March 23, 2008, 08:24:39 PM
I think the same with Snoop, After all he said himself in one of the dubcc interviews, that he is all about giving a no-name producer a chance to shine if he likes the beat..which to me is a good step..Gives the established Producer a chance to work on new talents...
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 23, 2008, 08:51:27 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

Probably, but at the same time he did have the option of going with more big time producers and still gave others a shot. WC even was sending bulletins for up and coming producers to send beats for this album when it was in the works. It still happens but what many don't understand is on a major it is more of what they want to hear the artists on as far as beats are concerned.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: lost_assassin on March 23, 2008, 11:52:50 PM
if the production is dope is dope , but we got some huge producers in the west that do stand out. of course dr. dre, dj muggs (my fav., he a legend 2 rite up there wit dre, can name some classics!), dj quick, alchemist, fred wreck, n dj khalil makin a name for him self recently . and artists like snoop get a lot of heat when we talk bout the west cuz to me he the ''it'' guy , he a leader
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: dubscheisty on March 24, 2008, 04:42:53 AM
Yep
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: snopafly on March 24, 2008, 06:54:49 AM
The real problem is that the westcoast is not mainstream enough .. Many westcoast artist is afraid to show mainstream, that can go well with the radio... Another problem is to many westcoast artist sound basicly the same. Many albums seems to be rushed out witout no plan .... westcoast artist that can reach out to the mainstream is snoop, the game , clyde carson, bishop lamont, ya boy ..... i dont beleave in c malone, crooked i .. The westcoast need some revolutionary  :)
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: messi19 on March 24, 2008, 07:21:20 AM
The real problem is that the westcoast is not mainstream enough .. Many westcoast artist is afraid to show mainstream, that can go well with the radio... Another problem is to many westcoast artist sound basicly the same. Many albums seems to be rushed out witout no plan .... westcoast artist that can reach out to the mainstream is snoop, the game , clyde carson, bishop lamont, ya boy ..... i dont beleave in c malone, crooked i .. The westcoast need some revolutionary  :)

Spider Loc comin Nevuary, 2035. Niggas sleepin.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Dre-Day on March 24, 2008, 07:22:43 AM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

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So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

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ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: K-9 on March 24, 2008, 08:00:05 AM
The real problem is that the westcoast is not mainstream enough .. Many westcoast artist is afraid to show mainstream, that can go well with the radio... Another problem is to many westcoast artist sound basicly the same. Many albums seems to be rushed out witout no plan .... westcoast artist that can reach out to the mainstream is snoop, the game , clyde carson, bishop lamont, ya boy ..... i dont beleave in c malone, crooked i .. The westcoast need some revolutionary  :)

Spider Loc comin Nevuary, 2035. Niggas sleepin.
Atleast spider will have a decent cd . It aint hard to do a cd with dre 64 impala lines and word to eazy lines . Red bandana around the neck eazy tatto on my arm nwa on my chest im from cedar block but used to claim Santana G-G-G-UNOT Game is joke.For 500$ you can fuck with faggit ass game my dick is hard i cant wait now watch me get fucked doggystyle now watch me get fucked doggystyle.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: messi19 on March 24, 2008, 08:06:05 AM
The real problem is that the westcoast is not mainstream enough .. Many westcoast artist is afraid to show mainstream, that can go well with the radio... Another problem is to many westcoast artist sound basicly the same. Many albums seems to be rushed out witout no plan .... westcoast artist that can reach out to the mainstream is snoop, the game , clyde carson, bishop lamont, ya boy ..... i dont beleave in c malone, crooked i .. The westcoast need some revolutionary  :)

Spider Loc comin Nevuary, 2035. Niggas sleepin.
Ye you go and jack off to lames doctors stripp advocate cover. It aint hard to do a cd with dre 64 impala lines and word to eazy lines . Red bandana around the neck eazy tatto on my arm nwa on my chest im from cedar block but used to claim Santana G-G-G-UNOT Game is joke.For 500$ you can fuck with faggit ass game my dick is hard i cant wait now watch me get fucked doggystyle now watch me get fucked doggystyle. .

.....okay that was by far in my top 5 for weakest comeback ever...shiiit that shit was bad. Damn that was so bad im not even gonna bother continue with you...shiiiit
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: K-9 on March 24, 2008, 08:11:06 AM
The real problem is that the westcoast is not mainstream enough .. Many westcoast artist is afraid to show mainstream, that can go well with the radio... Another problem is to many westcoast artist sound basicly the same. Many albums seems to be rushed out witout no plan .... westcoast artist that can reach out to the mainstream is snoop, the game , clyde carson, bishop lamont, ya boy ..... i dont beleave in c malone, crooked i .. The westcoast need some revolutionary  :)

Spider Loc comin Nevuary, 2035. Niggas sleepin.
Ye you go and jack off to lames doctors stripp advocate cover. It aint hard to do a cd with dre 64 impala lines and word to eazy lines . Red bandana around the neck eazy tatto on my arm nwa on my chest im from cedar block but used to claim Santana G-G-G-UNOT Game is joke.For 500$ you can fuck with faggit ass game my dick is hard i cant wait now watch me get fucked doggystyle now watch me get fucked doggystyle. .

.....okay that was by far in my top 5 for weakest comeback ever...shiiit that shit was bad. Damn that was so bad im not even gonna bother continue with you...shiiiit
nice try  :monkey_piss: game stans makes laugh
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 12:47:07 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

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So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

Quote
ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Dre-Day on March 25, 2008, 12:59:21 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

Quote
So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

Quote
ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: kuruptDPG on March 25, 2008, 01:40:58 PM
sum ppl hav mentiond here ther are westcoast artists that hav majority of westcoast producers on the album. thats great if they do but the thing is eithr its not getn promoted enough to be heard or its not that gd.

sum1 said ice cube here, his single why we thugs was producd by scott storch, that trak was worldwide but it aint produced by a westcoast producr.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Johnny B on March 25, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
sum ppl hav mentiond here ther are westcoast artists that hav majority of westcoast producers on the album. thats great if they do but the thing is eithr its not getn promoted enough to be heard or its not that gd.

sum1 said ice cube here, his single why we thugs was producd by scott storch, that trak was worldwide but it aint produced by a westcoast producr.

yea, true.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 25, 2008, 05:45:32 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

Quote
So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

Quote
ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.


I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Dre-Day on March 26, 2008, 02:21:46 AM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

Quote
So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

Quote
ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.


I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.

now where did i say that you did? please read my posts carefully before judging.
i just said that you, using Cube as a perfect example in this case, was not a good choice.
look, i knew what you were trying to say from the start, i just didn't like the way you formulated it, hence the criticism.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: kuruptDPG on March 26, 2008, 11:41:19 AM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

Quote
So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

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ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.


I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.

now where did i say that you did? please read my posts carefully before judging.
i just said that you, using Cube as a perfect example in this case, was not a good choice.
look, i knew what you were trying to say from the start, i just didn't like the way you formulated it, hence the criticism.

i wasnt refering to u. im jus using it as an example
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 26, 2008, 01:18:42 PM
True but Cube is a perfect example of a artist that does not play the name game for beats. Even if you up and coming, he will give you a shot. WC did that for his album also.

I think maybe him being indie now has something to do with that but yeah its good to see these other producers get a chance to shine

maybe that's not his main intention, but he did play that game, or have you forgotten about Scott Storch and Lil John?
and what about WC's album?  he worked with a few big names too http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
sure he gave some "fresh" talent a chance, and used their sent beats to "produce" the final product.
i don't know about you, but i certainly don't like that production process; i rather see the producers work with the artists in the studio together.

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So you never get to hear what he really had to say ‘cause he’s doing something else to make money.  Then we got all these ways to get music but nobody’s doing no new music, and all we’re doing is recycling old music because the well done run dry.  Those kinds of things concern me more than just what rap is doing.  Music period is gonna be dead!
no offense, but that's exactly what a lot of producers whom cube has worked with/works with were/are doing.
lethal injection and laugh now, cry later are great examples of that.
that doesn't have to be a bad thing, but if that statement really reflected how he feels, then he would have worked with other producers.

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ll tracks co-produced by Ice Cube, except "Side Dick.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150537.0
so i guess he should blame himself then as well, since he got production credit.

Nah I did not forget about them. But a good bulk of that album he did use up and coming producers from the east and west. WC used Teak and De alot too.

yes, that's why i posted the credits in the first place; i wanted to show you that your statement wasn't correct.


I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album. I was just stating that the beats Cube picked for the album were from up and coming producers as well as big names, some from the west even. He even went with a couple familiar faces in LayLaw and Budda.

now where did i say that you did? please read my posts carefully before judging.
i just said that you, using Cube as a perfect example in this case, was not a good choice.
look, i knew what you were trying to say from the start, i just didn't like the way you formulated it, hence the criticism.

No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on March 26, 2008, 03:36:53 PM
^^what if the said artist don't want to..it's not by force,that they have to work with the established WC Producer, I'm sure you can appreciate that...

I sure can homie but im jus sayin thats the real reasn why westcoast is faln. Eg snoops sexual eruption, now thats a classic but how is it a classic? The beat is from a dirty south producr, so realy in a way u can say ther kinda taken credit 4 the song. I hope thats ok 2 undrstnd lol.

By the way is scott storch a westcoast producr or east? Wers he from?
if thats the case,ice cube first album is only a east coast classic since it was mainly produced by east coast proders,and ll cool j's badd album was west coast since it was mainly produced by west coast producers right? yell
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Dre-Day on March 27, 2008, 01:41:12 AM
No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

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4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide
so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.
there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D~Nice on March 27, 2008, 01:44:23 AM
No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

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4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide
so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.
there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.

Dre it ain't that serious man. Formulate? I say what's on my mind and if it offended you, cool. I apologize. I'm done with it.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Dre-Day on March 27, 2008, 01:47:37 AM
No judgment here Dre. I'm cool as a fan cat.

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4. transitive verb form opinion of somebody or something: to form an opinion of somebody or something, especially after thought or consideration


5. transitive and intransitive verb estimate: to measure by guesswork, using the eye or some other sense as a rough guide
so offcourse you did judge, don't try to deny it:

I am looking over my posts and I never said Cube had all up and coming producers on his last album.
there you go. you assumed that i claimed that you did say that, otherwise you would have formulated it differently.

the thing is, you didn't read my posts properly, but you did judge. it's not something that accidentally happened either, as this is not the first time that i've seen you doing it.

Dre it ain't that serious man. Formulate? I say what's on my mind and if it offended you, cool. I apologize. I'm done with it.

you didn't offend me, i just don't like it when people don't read carefully.
people make mistakes, yes. and i apologise too if you took it personal; but i do try to read posts carefully so if i see something that bothers me i'll criticise it.
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: D-Stress on March 27, 2008, 02:26:16 AM
i agree with you.the whole hip-hop sounds like south now.
wc rappers got to stick to their styles, the classics.
agreed 100%
Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: UCC on March 27, 2008, 06:28:43 AM
The real reason is because everyone is fixated with either -
a) having to keep it all 'westcoast', as if that matters or
b) trying to jump on whatever bandwagon is going on right now

INSTEAD of just making a dope album


Game's first album was dope as hell, he used Dre, Timbaland, Kanye - he just made a dope fucking album! That's what westcoast artists need to do, it's not about whether it sounds like g-funk or whether it's on some south shit, it about whether all the tracks bump hard and it's dope to listen to. Just work with the best people, the best MCs and the best producers, and don't just go to whichever no-name producer has just made a one hit wonder either, as that won't last

Trying to keep it all westcoast is bullshit, Dre knows that for sure, he works with people who have talent, so that they will create good music rather than use 50 of his closest westcoast homies who are all from Cali but suck at making music. Game knows the same thing and got great production from all over

Snoop kind of knows what to do, but he does it half-half - his dope tracks will be by a mixture of talented west coast people like Dre and Quik and also talented producers from other places like Neptunes and Timbaland, but then he throws in a whole bunch of shit beats by either cats he happens to know or whoever is kind of hot at that second

Title: Re: THE REAL PROBLEM WIT THE WESTCOAST!!
Post by: Youth Authority on March 27, 2008, 08:37:06 AM
the best rapper out the west right now had a whole westcoast produced album. below the heavens is hands down album of the year produced by exile.

his new joint CRAC is by Ta'Raach he from detroit so still keepin it close lol