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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: eS El Duque on June 25, 2008, 08:01:25 PM
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NFL heads wasssuggs?
I remember bill walsh saying that he only needed a "decent" QB to make his system and that any QB with a decent arm could succeed in his system with the right pieces in place (good offensive line and WR's to run the rythim routes). Also that a great left tackle was just as important as a QB at times (lawrence tayler proved that)
In college football all you hear is if the QB is a "System" QB or not...like Tim Tebow :D
So comes down to the question....is the QB that makes the team great...or the System the QB runs?
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A BETTER QB WOULD MAKE BETTER USE OF THE SYSTEM :laugh:
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The QB, but the QB being in a familiar system helps.
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eli manning
peyton manning
big ben
brady
brady
johnson
brady
dilfer
warner
elway
elway
favre
looks like you gotta have atleast a probowler, if not the #1 defense ever (dilfer)
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eli manning
peyton manning
big ben
brady
brady
johnson
brady
dilfer
warner
elway
elway
favre
looks like you gotta have atleast a probowler, if not the #1 defense ever (dilfer)
Eli deserves the most props out of all them. I never expected that team to make it.
Brady for his first super bowl win too.
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we all know why the Patriots were able to win
but Eli, he is the shit. very under-rated, Hack Wilson met him AND pennington at Giants-Jets scrimage training camp about 3-4 years ago at University of Albany. true story ya'll.
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eli manning
peyton manning
big ben
brady
brady
johnson
brady
dilfer
warner
elway
elway
favre
looks like you gotta have atleast a probowler, if not the #1 defense ever (dilfer)
yea...but...does the SYTEM MAKE the QB's that good? In dilfer's case...it was all defense hahaha. But you gotta remember Jonathon Ogden singly handly ran that offense from the Left Tackle position...he even said in an interview to just give him the ball and he'd play QB lol. Dude gave dilfer the MOSt time in the pocket and Dilfer STILL could'nt find targets at times.
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the elite QB's
Manning(s), Brady, Big Ben
these guys just got fucking natural talent. Brady is a pretty boy prissy bitch but I'll give him his mad props and all that.
Romo = system QB
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the elite QB's
Manning(s), Brady, Big Ben
these guys just got fucking natural talent. Brady is a pretty boy prissy bitch but I'll give him his mad props and all that.
Romo = system QB
smartest thing you said all day. 8)
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are you implying I should write my college thesis on Tony Romo being a lil bitch?
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sure, idc. haha
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how the hell is tony romo a system QB when he went from two different systems within 2 years of his back to back pro bowl years
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the elite QB's
Manning(s), Brady, Big Ben
these guys just got fucking natural talent. Brady is a pretty boy prissy bitch but I'll give him his mad props and all that.
Romo = system QB
NO CHANCE!! Look at the throws he makes, thats got nothing to do with the system, yeah Garrett is a great play caller and designs great stuff, but Romo still has to make the throws and he does a great job, he makes throws many qb's cant make..
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^^The Cowboys' systems didn't really change that much, and they had most of the same personnel, but I wouldn't say he is a system QB at all, just look how others struggled at the position, and the plays he makes, with his arm and feet, and you realize he is a very good young QB. Personally, I think Warner was just a system QB, Trent Green would have been good if not for his injury, Marc Bulger had success, and Kitna put up numbers in Detroit with Martz. In the NFL, most QB's that have long success are just good, the system can help them get on track and get comfortable, but you don't become an elite QB for a 5 year period or longer based on a system, because the defenses will adjust and figure out how to stop you.
The college game sees a lot more products of the system through the variations in offense (Texas Tech, Hawaii, Utah, Oregon).
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^^The Cowboys' systems didn't really change that much, and they had most of the same personnel, but I wouldn't say he is a system QB at all, just look how others struggled at the position, and the plays he makes, with his arm and feet, and you realize he is a very good young QB. Personally, I think Warner was just a system QB, Trent Green would have been good if not for his injury, Marc Bulger had success, and Kitna put up numbers in Detroit with Martz. In the NFL, most QB's that have long success are just good, the system can help them get on track and get comfortable, but you don't become an elite QB for a 5 year period or longer based on a system, because the defenses will adjust and figure out how to stop you.
The college game sees a lot more products of the system through the variations in offense (Texas Tech, Hawaii, Utah, Oregon).
real spit
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NFL heads wasssuggs?
I remember bill walsh saying that he only needed a "decent" QB to make his system and that any QB with a decent arm could succeed in his system with the right pieces in place (good offensive line and WR's to run the rythim routes). Also that a great left tackle was just as important as a QB at times (lawrence tayler proved that)
In college football all you hear is if the QB is a "System" QB or not...like Tim Tebow :D
So comes down to the question....is the QB that makes the team great...or the System the QB runs?
The system.....EASILY. Every once in a while we're lucky enough to witness a great quartback IN a great system. We've seen quartbacks like Trent Dilfer win a Superbowl who are far below great....probably below average lol. But how many times have you seen a great quarterback win in an average....or below average system (Marino)?
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the system certainly helps a lot more than most think, but the QB itself (obviously) has most to do with it.
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NFL heads wasssuggs?
I remember bill walsh saying that he only needed a "decent" QB to make his system and that any QB with a decent arm could succeed in his system with the right pieces in place (good offensive line and WR's to run the rythim routes). Also that a great left tackle was just as important as a QB at times (lawrence tayler proved that)
In college football all you hear is if the QB is a "System" QB or not...like Tim Tebow :D
So comes down to the question....is the QB that makes the team great...or the System the QB runs?
The system.....EASILY. Every once in a while we're lucky enough to witness a great quartback IN a great system. We've seen quartbacks like Trent Dilfer win a Superbowl who are far below great....probably below average lol. But how many times have you seen a great quarterback win in an average....or below average system (Marino)?
it has more to do with the talent that a qb has around him more then the system..
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the system certainly helps a lot more than most think, but the QB itself (obviously) has most to do with it.
so Brady is a better QB then Marino?
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NFL heads wasssuggs?
I remember bill walsh saying that he only needed a "decent" QB to make his system and that any QB with a decent arm could succeed in his system with the right pieces in place (good offensive line and WR's to run the rythim routes). Also that a great left tackle was just as important as a QB at times (lawrence tayler proved that)
In college football all you hear is if the QB is a "System" QB or not...like Tim Tebow :D
So comes down to the question....is the QB that makes the team great...or the System the QB runs?
The system.....EASILY. Every once in a while we're lucky enough to witness a great quartback IN a great system. We've seen quartbacks like Trent Dilfer win a Superbowl who are far below great....probably below average lol. But how many times have you seen a great quarterback win in an average....or below average system (Marino)?
it has more to do with the talent that a qb has around him more then the system..
eh...maybe. The Raiders have had some years during the 90's where they had more talent then anyone in the league...and still couldnt win a Superbowl. The Chargers right now have more talent then almost anyone in the league....and they wont win a Superbowl. I think youre right in a way....you need the talent for sure. But I think the system AND the talent around them have more to do with winning...then the QB all by himself.
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fuck you, reader of this post.
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fuck you, reader of this post.
wassuggs?
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NFL heads wasssuggs?
I remember bill walsh saying that he only needed a "decent" QB to make his system and that any QB with a decent arm could succeed in his system with the right pieces in place (good offensive line and WR's to run the rythim routes). Also that a great left tackle was just as important as a QB at times (lawrence tayler proved that)
In college football all you hear is if the QB is a "System" QB or not...like Tim Tebow :D
So comes down to the question....is the QB that makes the team great...or the System the QB runs?
The system.....EASILY. Every once in a while we're lucky enough to witness a great quartback IN a great system. We've seen quartbacks like Trent Dilfer win a Superbowl who are far below great....probably below average lol. But how many times have you seen a great quarterback win in an average....or below average system (Marino)?
it has more to do with the talent that a qb has around him more then the system..
eh...maybe. The Raiders have had some years during the 90's where they had more talent then anyone in the league...and still couldnt win a Superbowl. The Chargers right now have more talent then almost anyone in the league....and they wont win a Superbowl. I think youre right in a way....you need the talent for sure. But I think the system AND the talent around them have more to do with winning...then the QB all by himself.
yeah but the Raiders didnt have a good enuff Qb, so thats not even a relevant argument...and in the late 90's they ran into the best 2 defeneses in recent memory, Ravens and Bucs when they had the QB in Gannon, or they would have won it all..
Even The Giants had plenty of talent..Talent doesn'y always equal wins, but u DO need tons of talent to ta win it all BOTTOM LINE
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the system certainly helps a lot more than most think, but the QB itself (obviously) has most to do with it.
so Brady is a better QB then Marino?
50 td's and 5 ints in 1 year, and 3 SB rings. I think u can say that..But u can go either way..
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the system certainly helps a lot more than most think, but the QB itself (obviously) has most to do with it.
so Brady is a better QB then Marino?
and in his 3 sb wins the best WR he had was Branch and Troy Brown..How many qb's have led there teams to SB's with Wr's like that? Besides Dilfer cuz of that amazing d..
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Marino had some good ass receivers, don't say he did it alone..
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SB victories can be thrown out of an argument when talking about who is a better player. We're not arguing who was a better team. This isnt Boxing.
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Marino had some good ass receivers, don't say he did it alone..
yes and no.....his receiving core wasn't that consistently good
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Marino had some good ass receivers, don't say he did it alone..
yes and no.....his receiving core wasn't that consistently good
When he was in his prime it was Clayton and Duper
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SB victories can be thrown out of an argument when talking about who is a better player. We're not arguing who was a better team. This isnt Boxing.
No it cant, that has a lot to do with it. When u throw 4 ints in a game and u cant lead ur team to score in a big Championship game, that should be part of the argument. Are u fuckin Kidding me? It shouldnt be the determining factor, but NO WAY IN HELL Should it be thrown out...Like when people say Peyton is more talented then Brady, I dont see how u can prove that...
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man, all i know is that alex smith is garbage. if he doesnt do decent under martz im braken out vick.
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man, all i know is that alex smith is garbage. if he doesnt do decent under martz im braken out vick.
I'm there to help you if Smith doesn't get his act together..How many times last year would they start out games by going 3-and-out?? Martz can help prove the system, so this is very relevant to this topic.
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man, all i know is that alex smith is garbage. if he doesnt do decent under martz im braken out vick.
I'm there to help you if Smith doesn't get his act together..How many times last year would they start out games by going 3-and-out?? Martz can help prove the system, so this is very relevant to this topic.
give him a chance he got hurt last year, but Shaun Hill could win the job