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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Don Jacob on June 25, 2008, 09:32:22 PM
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we tried this once and no one really cared but , lets just let it be for all the beans.........who's dubcc's top 10 baseball players (regardless of position) of all time? a tourny will be held and the greatest will emerge within the next few weeks
rules name 10 players.....hold no bias
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in no order
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Ty Cobb
5. Joe Dimaggio
6. Willie Mays
7. Hank Aaron
8. Ken Griffey Jr.
9. Pete Rose
10. Cal Ripken Jr.
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just position players, or pitchers too?
heres my list (just position players):
Ty Cobb
Pete Rose
Barry Bonds
Lou Gehrig
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Babe Ruth
Alex Rodriguez (if he keeps it going, he will be the HR champ one day)
Ted Williams
Stan Musial
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in no order
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Ty Cobb
5. Joe Dimaggio
6. Willie Mays
7. Hank Aaron
8. Ken Griffey Jr.
9. Pete Rose
10. Cal Ripken Jr.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Cal Ripken over Stan Musial and Barry Bonds HAHAHAHAH LMFAO!!! LMAO!!!!!!!! and Bonds is easily top 5, any top 10 list without him is not a real list and any knowledgable fan that is not obsessed with hating Bonds knows that, and LMAO again at Ripken top 10 when you dont have Bonds or Stan Musial on your list. I am sorry but please stick to football Jake because this list is bad. Also how can you have Ripken and no Ernie Banks or Frank Robinson, I have never seen Cal on any top 20 or top 30 list let alone top 10, step up your game.
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just position players, or pitchers too?
heres my list (just position players):
Ty Cobb
Pete Rose
Barry Bonds
Lou Gehrig
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Babe Ruth
Alex Rodriguez (if he keeps it going, he will be the HR champ one day)
Ted Williams
Stan Musial
great list but I would probably leave off Pete Rose and replace him with Frank Robinson or Ernie Banks
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in no order
1. Babe Ruth
2. Ted Williams
3. Lou Gehrig
4. Ty Cobb
5. Joe Dimaggio
6. Willie Mays
7. Hank Aaron
8. Ken Griffey Jr.
9. Pete Rose
10. Cal Ripken Jr.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Cal Ripken over Stan Musial and Barry Bonds HAHAHAHAH LMFAO!!! LMAO!!!!!!!! and Bonds is easily top 5, any top 10 list without him is not a real list and any knowledgable fan that is not obsessed with hating Bonds knows that, and LMAO again at Ripken top 10 when you dont have Bonds or Stan Musial on your list. I am sorry but please stick to football Jake because this list is bad. Also how can you have Ripken and no Ernie Banks or Frank Robinson, I have never seen Cal on any top 20 or top 30 list let alone top 10, step up your game.
i HATE bonds..but come on..lol..roids or no roids, he is the hr champ.
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Can we include pitchers ?
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Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth
Ted Williams
Nolan Ryan
Pete Rose
Alex Rodriguez
Sandy Koufax
Hank Aaron
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Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Ted Williams
Lou Gehrig
Rogers Hornsby
Josh Gibson
Mickey Mantle
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Willie Mays
on deck: Joe Dimaggio, Oscar Charleston, Jimmie Foxx, A-rod, John Henry "Pop" Lloyd, Hammerin Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Joe Jackson, Frank Robinson and Hank Greenberg.
lol @ someone putting Cal Ripken, its way too early for him.
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Can we include pitchers ?
yes u may
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Can we include pitchers ?
yes u may
you should do seperate for pitchers and position players
id i had to rank the top 10 pitchers
1 Walter Johnson
2 Roger Clemens*
3 Greg Maddux
4 Pete Alexander
5 Smokey Joe Williams
6 Christy Mathewson
7 Randy Johnson
8 Cy Young
9 Pedro Martinez
10 Lefty Grove
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7 mvps, 762 Home Runs and 500 stolen bases and 8 gold gloves, yeah thats not top 10 LOL
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7 mvps, 762 Home Runs and 500 stolen bases and 8 gold gloves, yeah thats not top 10 LOL
I just don't know where to rank Bonds*
surely he belongs in the top 10 based on career accomplishments, but pre-steroid Bonds was not a top 10 (or top 15) player ever...so I just decided to leave him off.
besides, the 10 guys I listed hold their own when compared to barry.
(Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Josh Gibson, Mickey Mantle, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Willie Mays)
ruth = don't need to explain this one lol.
cobb = best all around player ever, the ULTIMATE competitor, contemporaries of Ty and Babe said Ty was better by a 2/1 ratio....for what its worth
teddy ballgame = I interviewed John Winkin, a college HOF coach who used to work for Teddy Ballgame for 15 years, saying "Joe Dimaggio was the best player, Ted was hte best hitter"
Gehrig = best first baseman ever (not even close), taken by ALS, what a shame.
Hornsby = hit .400 for a span of FIVE years, was a 2nd basemen, hit .358 lifetime
Gibson = negro league's most dominant hitter who was a CATCHER
mickey mantle = not only did he do a good job in succeeding Joe Dimaggio, he was a better player!
tris speaker = best defense Centerfielder ever, was only a notch or two down from Cobb with the bat but held his own (.340 lifetime, #1 all time in doubles)
honus wagner = best shortstop of all time, not even close....also an elite hitter and base runner. his 1908 season may have been the best year ever (it is statistically)
willie mays = kinda over-rated but top 10 for sure. probably better than Barry beacuse of playing better D a more important position (just like Speaker)
all 10 guys i'd say are better than Bonds....
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by the way, until 1930 there was a rule than MVP's couldn't be given to the same guy twice
infact they only had the MVP award from 1911-1914 and most of the 1920's had it...very screwy
if they had our MVP system Babe Ruth woulda been MVP in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1927 and 1928...hell maybe even 1930 and 1931 too...
i hate when i hear someone say "Ruth only had one MVP" on tv to argue against him, those dumbasses don't know the rules (i.e. my boy Colin Cowherd)
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^^LMAO! Cmon Hack, before 1999 and steroids, Barry Bonds had 400+ home runs and 400+ stolen bases, 3 MVPS and 8 Gold Gloves, he was already top 5 or 10 before any steroids, and lets remember that the Mitchell Report had steroid users from every team in Baseball, Bonds was one of many in this era, the whole era is tarnished, why blame just Barry? He is easily top 5 and you can make the argument for top 2 or 3 or hell even 1 for that matter. (even though I take Mays over Bonds in a heartbeat)
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by the way, until 1930 there was a rule than MVP's couldn't be given to the same guy twice
infact they only had the MVP award from 1911-1914 and most of the 1920's had it...very screwy
if they had our MVP system Babe Ruth woulda been MVP in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1927 and 1928...hell maybe even 1930 and 1931 too...
i hate when i hear someone say "Ruth only had one MVP" on tv to argue against him, those dumbasses don't know the rules (i.e. my boy Colin Cowherd)
^^very true, Bonds obviously should of won in 1991 and 2000 also so even though he had 7 Mvps he should have 9. Barry Bonds was absolutely amazing, he was born to play and dominate the game of Baseball, Arod is special but lets be real here it could be a long ass time if ever if we ever see a player in the same league as Bonds ever again, my god he was a amazing player.
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^^LMAO! Cmon Hack, before 1999 and steroids, Barry Bonds had 400+ home runs and 400+ stolen bases, 3 MVPS and 8 Gold Gloves, he was already top 5 or 10 before any steroids, and lets remember that the Mitchell Report had steroid users from every team in Baseball, Bonds was one of many in this era, the whole era is tarnished, why blame just Barry? He is easily top 5 and you can make the argument for top 2 or 3 or hell even 1 for that matter. (even though I take Mays over Bonds in a heartbeat)
1-Raffy Palmiero won a gold glove for playing 28 games of defense....this shows you how must i care about GG's. especially a Left Field gold glove lol. thats like being the smartest retarded kid haha.
2-all ten players i listed > bonds
3-was Bonds a star pitcher before becoming a star slugger? Ruth pitched 28 straight shutout innings in the world series :D
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^^dude you are way off with gold gloves, they pick the 3 best defensive outfielders in general, has nothing to do with what position you play LOL, you cant win 8 gold gloves and not be a legendary defender. Please stop Hack. Also the 10 you listed aren't better than Bonds, Mays, Ruth and Aaron? yeah probably those guys but not a chance at any others you listed, Bonds is easily top 5, true baseball heads no that even if they hate him, it is not debatable.
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by the way, until 1930 there was a rule than MVP's couldn't be given to the same guy twice
infact they only had the MVP award from 1911-1914 and most of the 1920's had it...very screwy
if they had our MVP system Babe Ruth woulda been MVP in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1927 and 1928...hell maybe even 1930 and 1931 too...
i hate when i hear someone say "Ruth only had one MVP" on tv to argue against him, those dumbasses don't know the rules (i.e. my boy Colin Cowherd)
^^very true, Bonds obviously should of won in 1991 and 2000 also so even though he had 7 Mvps he should have 9. Barry Bonds was absolutely amazing, he was born to play and dominate the game of Baseball, Arod is special but lets be real here it could be a long ass time if ever if we ever see a player in the same league as Bonds ever again, my god he was a amazing player.
personally I'll take A-rod over Bonds...a little less arrogance, a MUCH more valuable position (shortstop and 3rd base), both are 40-40 members and ironically A-rod is a better post season preformer than Bonds :D
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^^dude you are way off with gold gloves, they pick the 3 best defensive outfielders in general, has nothing to do with what position you play LOL, you cant win 8 gold gloves and not be a legendary defender. Please stop Hack. Also the 10 you listed aren't better than Bonds, Mays, Ruth and Aaron? yeah probably those guys but not a chance at any others you listed, Bonds is easily top 5, true baseball heads no that even if they hate him, it is not debatable.
LOL hahahahahahahaha
so your telling me you disagree with: TY COBB, TED WILLIAMS, LOU GEHRIG, TRIS SPEAKER, MICKEY MANTLE AND HONUS WAGNER > BONDS?
you need to get your head checked son
go google "Honus Wagner 1908"
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^^did you just say Arod is a better playoff performer then Bonds?? hahahah. Bonds was terrible w/ Pit in the playoffs but he had the best postseason in baseball history in 2002, ARod has been flat out weak in his playoff career so far but he does have time to change that but regardless, Bonds>>Arod all day every day, that argument is the definition of a no-brainer, Bonds shits all over Arod.
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Can we include pitchers ?
yes u may
you should do seperate for pitchers and position players
id i had to rank the top 10 pitchers
1 Walter Johnson
2 Roger Clemens*
3 Greg Maddux
4 Pete Alexander
5 Smokey Joe Williams
6 Christy Mathewson
7 Randy Johnson
8 Cy Young
9 Pedro Martinez
10 Lefty Grove
okay i like that idea, we'll do this one after .
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Spice...why are you even in this thread if you're not gunna make a list? LOL
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Spice...why are you even in this thread if you're not gunna make a list? LOL
he wants to make horrible arguements i guess
lol @ using gold gloves as a deciding factor against players who were playing before gold gloves existed
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^^I didn't use Gold Gloves as a argument LMAO!! I had 7MVP'S, 760 home runs and 500 stolen bases as a argument lol but um yeah 8 gold gloves on top of all that LOL nice try Hack.
Here is the best 10 to ever play the game (I will do separate list for pitchers)
1. Willie Mays
2. Babe Ruth
3. Barry Bonds
4. Ted Williams
5. Ty Cobb
6. Hank Aaron
7. Lou Gehrig
8. Stan Musial
9. Joe DiMaggio
10. Mickey Mantle
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^^I didn't use Gold Gloves as a argument LMAO!! I had 7MVP'S, 760 home runs and 500 stolen bases as a argument lol but um yeah 8 gold gloves on top of all that LOL nice try Hack.
Here is the best 10 to ever play the game (I will do separate list for pitchers)
1. Willie Mays
2. Babe Ruth
3. Barry Bonds
4. Ted Williams
5. Ty Cobb
6. Hank Aaron
7. Lou Gehrig
8. Stan Musial
9. Joe DiMaggio
10. Mickey Mantle
i was refering to spiggity spice
but anyone who uses gold gloves to compare players who didnt play when GG's were awarded is lame
you should replace Stan Musial with Honus Wagner or Tris Speaker
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okay imma let the qualifications run til sunday niight, so everyone who hasn't made a list make one before it's too late
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i will get to this tonight, Round 1 will be posted until then keep up the lists.