West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Don Jacob on July 08, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
-
1. Babe Ruth-5
2. Willie Mays-5
4. Ty Cobb-5
6. Lou Gehrig-4
8. Mickey Mantel
10. Barry Bonds-2
George Herman Ruth (good old hot dogs and beer)
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHO/AAEN009.jpg)
Barry Bonds*
(http://www.fightinphilsfans.com/BigBarryBonds.jpg)
-
Babe Ruth and its not even close
-
The Babe. The real Bonds died in 98.
The Babe was one hell of a womanizer and could drink like 30 beers in one sitting.
Bobby Bonds>Barry Bonds
-
Riverside California
-
Babe Ruth and its not even close
word, this isnt even up for debate. :P
-
how come there's four people who said babe (including me) yet only two votes (one was mine)??
-
how come there's four people who said babe (including me) yet only two votes (one was mine)??
Ruth is like McCain, no one can get excited about voting for him. He has swag, but his old.
-
Ruth.
Anyone read that article that says if Ruth was playing in today sized fields..he'd have close to 800 homeruns?
Out of the top 10 seasons of all time by a player...Ruth has the #1 season.
-
babe ruth was everything bonds was, but more
ruth changed the way baseball was played, AND WON 7 RINGS IN THE PROCESS (0 for bonds)
can bonds pitch?
-
how come there's four people who said babe (including me) yet only two votes (one was mine)??
Ruth is like McCain, no one can get excited about voting for him. He has swag, but his old.
not get excited?
umm Ruth was a .342 career hitter with 700 homers, 500 doubles, 100 triples, 100 SB's 2000 walks, 90 WINS AS A STAR PITCHER and 7 world championships
he broke the HR record in 1919, broke his own records in 1920, 1921 and finally again in 1927
he never won a triple crown, but lead the league in HR and RBI 6 times and Batting average and HR once (didn't get the RBI title that year)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml dude was a beast, even after his peak in 1921
-
how come there's four people who said babe (including me) yet only two votes (one was mine)??
Ruth is like McCain, no one can get excited about voting for him. He has swag, but his old.
not get excited?
umm Ruth was a .342 career hitter with 700 homers, 500 doubles, 100 triples, 100 SB's 2000 walks, 90 WINS AS A STAR PITCHER and 7 world championships
he broke the HR record in 1919, broke his own records in 1920, 1921 and finally again in 1927
he never won a triple crown, but lead the league in HR and RBI 6 times and Batting average and HR once (didn't get the RBI title that year)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml dude was a beast, even after his peak in 1921
Oh god, Ruth never played against black players, many black pitchers were far better than the white ones of that era. Ruth deserves an * just like Bonds today playing a juiced era. From the time Jackie Robinson played to the time Jose Canseco put that needle to his arm was when you can truly judge the best batters. Before then we don't even consider Negro League players in this list, you better believe I'll mention Josh Gibson when we do catchers.
-
how come there's four people who said babe (including me) yet only two votes (one was mine)??
Ruth is like McCain, no one can get excited about voting for him. He has swag, but his old.
not get excited?
umm Ruth was a .342 career hitter with 700 homers, 500 doubles, 100 triples, 100 SB's 2000 walks, 90 WINS AS A STAR PITCHER and 7 world championships
he broke the HR record in 1919, broke his own records in 1920, 1921 and finally again in 1927
he never won a triple crown, but lead the league in HR and RBI 6 times and Batting average and HR once (didn't get the RBI title that year)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml dude was a beast, even after his peak in 1921
Oh god, Ruth never played against black players, many black pitchers were far better than the white ones of that era. Ruth deserves an * just like Bonds today playing a juiced era. From the time Jackie Robinson played to the time Jose Canseco put that needle to his arm was when you can truly judge the best batters. Before then we don't even consider Negro League players in this list, you better believe I'll mention Josh Gibson when we do catchers.
Ruth played against blacks in barnstorming games...want me to dig up some stats for you? i have them here somewhere on my hard drive, I save alot of baseball information. I know Ruth hit a few dingers off of a wellknown Negroleaguer "Cannonball" Dick Redding who was one of the top black pitchers of the 20's
I also have some stories on a game between Ruth and the 1920 Giants @ Havana Cuba against the Cuban allstar team with Cristobal Torrienti, in the most publicised game Ruth actually got outshined by Torrienti
ofcourse Ruth treated the trip to Cuba as a vacation because he actually owned several cigar factories down there lol
and before he died, Buck O'neil said Babe Ruth (an old babe ruth) hit a home run off of Satchell Paige in a barnstorm game in the early 30's and Paige had a little kid go retrieve it so Ruth would autograph it for him. Buck is a very credible source but he's the only source of this story so it may be made up...
-
you know like I know that some scrimage games are different than being in a league and pitchers learning to play against someone. Ruth was never fully tested as he could have been. He hit hard, great, people were in awe of him, of course, he was the biggest name in sports then. But his era was not a true test to baseball. The Negro League peaked in the 20's, it had it's greatest players. It's different to be like, hey I'm Babe Ruth, want to play, and going up against Babe for a chance to make the playoffs. You know that and I know that. People would respect A-Rod if he went to Cuba and played, but those same players would go so hard if they had on a Red Sox uniform that the game would change.
-
you know like I know that some scrimage games are different than being in a league and pitchers learning to play against someone. Ruth was never fully tested as he could have been. He hit hard, great, people were in awe of him, of course, he was the biggest name in sports then. But his era was not a true test to baseball. The Negro League peaked in the 20's, it had it's greatest players. It's different to be like, hey I'm Babe Ruth, want to play, and going up against Babe for a chance to make the playoffs. You know that and I know that. People would respect A-Rod if he went to Cuba and played, but those same players would go so hard if they had on a Red Sox uniform that the game would change.
umm basiaclly, barnstorm games were taken seriously by the blacks/cubans and the whites were like "hey were getting paid to come play in a new country, this is fun" (way before Cuba was fucked up ofcourse)
ty cobb only played one series EVER against blacks in his life...winter of 1910 in Havana Cuba against a LOADED cuban-negro allstar team with HOFers Pop Lloyd and Jose Mendez, and should be HOFer Bruce Petway, Pete Hill and Grant "Home run" Johnson
it was a 12 game series. the Tigers won it 7-4-1
cobb missed the first 7 games because he was dilly dallying in Key West, and Detroit (minus Cobb) was in a struggle, tied 3-3-1
Cobb shows up those last 5 games, hits .370 (7-19) and Detroit wins the series easily 7-4-1.
cobb was frustrated by Petway (the catcher) beacuse he never got to steal a base all series, and it was known going into the trip that the Cuban team they were playing was notorious for pushing back the base/bag (they didn't use the same bases we have) to make it harder to steal a base....he argued with the umps, called them cheaters and vowed never to play against blacks again and kept his word as far as I know lol. never got to steal a base (thrown out 3 times) and walked off at the end of game 12 pissed hahahaha. that was Cobb for ya. the best player on the planet, but a total prick.
you must keep in mind the black population 100 years ago was alot smaller than it is now, the pool of talent was probably 5 times less than now. and the white athletes weren't focused on basketball and football, so the white majors was stronger than you'd think. in the late 1800s early 1900s you can argue the best athletes were in the olmpics but by the 1910s and 1920s BASEBALL was america's past time and every kid wanted to play ball.
don't debate baseball with Hack, he's not here to bring down your favorite hero. he just wants you all to respect it's precious history. it is was it is.
Babe ruth never played in the times of 300 foot fenches, steroids with GENIUS chemists at his side, video tapes on pitchers, body armor, better nutrition knoweldge and medical help...etc
we can sit here and play the "what if" game all day, that's not gonna get us anywhere.
-
Hack another thing about the shot Ruth hit off Stachel Paige, Buck O'Neil said it was the only time he had seen Paige speechless.
-
MDogg take your L like a man
-
mdogg why are you all up on the black man's schlong all of the sudden?
-
I'm just saying this, you talk about eras, and the eras are different. Pre-Robinson is an era that not all the best players were allowed on the field. Then in post Canseco, no one truly knows if a player is on steriods or not, so we don't know if stats are fixed. Catcher Josh Gibson of the Negro League in the same era as Ruth was said to hit over 80 home runs, but that's not in the stat book, pre-Robinson is full of what ifs, that era is one big what if. post 1960, when expansion was heavy and new teams came, you can also argue that the talent pool became depleted and hitters had an easier time against weaker pitchers and benefited off longer seasons. The game has changed. Bonds is the ultimate measure of this change. Pre-1998 no one would question his HoF creditals, and it was argued either him or Jr. as the best player of their era. Then of course Bonds got older, bigger, his head was growing and then someone who was a 30-40 hr hitter became a 50-70 hr hitter. Now whatever you want to attribute to that, say what you will, but it was also an era where parks were shinking for more hrs to boost attentence, players became bigger, pitchers pitched harder and muscles became increased. Bonds was already a great player in this era pre-1998, but when people think they can discredit someone like Bonds, they jump at the chance, though in Ruths era the fact was that era is scared. Baseball has always been the biggest game of what if ever, and it's more myth in some aspects that reality. Ruth was the perfect example of that, We love to make Bonds a villian, the same way we love to continue the tradition of Babe Ruth the greatest legend in America. Ruth was the first great slugger in baseball history. When the dead ball era was boring people, Ruth came and slugged his way to Americas heart. He hit home runs in ways no one thought possible, and for that he will always been seen as the untouchable legend, even though his era is scarred from racism and some of the greatest players not allowed on the field.
-
mdogg why are you all up on the black man's schlong all of the sudden?
I voted for Riverside, CA, the city I was born, didn't you read my OG post.
-
MDogg take your L like a man
+1
this guy is pathetic. i read the first sentence of his last post and once i regained my heavy laughter decided to save my time.
-
Well..thats the end of that.
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
-
bump
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
see here is the thing, your arguing that Ruth had no control over who he played, that he was popular with Negro players, and that's well known, but the bottomline is that the Negro League was full of great talent in the 20's, the height of the league, and Ruth never was allowed to play them. For that, and that allone the era was full of what ifs. Josh Gibson they said hit 800 home runs in the Negro League, but because of faulty stat taking it's not regonize. You think your a get baseball source, but unless you are 90 years old facts are your wikipedia is your major source. You like me have no real footage of these players, we are left with stat books and stories. And as a history major, I can say that all stories, even the Bible, have to be looked at critially. So when I hear about Ruth, I don't question if he was a great player, but what I do know, even before the bigger head, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I've ever seen, and Bonds before 1998 gave me no questions that he was every just as bit as good as the great players from Willie Mays' era. To me that was when baseball was at it's greatest, it's puriest. Before Jackie Robinson baseball, by no fault of it's players, was like the US pre-1865, stained, and those records are put into question. Ruth got baseball out of the deadball era, put butts in seats and for it he is treated like the greatest player ever. This country loves to think of guy who looks like one of them, has a great smile and a strong bat as the GOAT. But to me, I can't see him that way. Not when there was a league full of great players who never had a chance to prove how good they can be. In the flip side, once Jose Canseco came on the field, baseball became stained again. We will never know if most of these players are juicing until they come out or get caught. Neither has happened to Barry, but his the poster child of steriods, mainly because of his bad relationship with the press. I never thought he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, but he did, and his swing was so quick and so sweet that he honestly could have been a great home run hitter in his career IF he would have focused on strength earlier instead of waiting to "experiment". These players have ??s all over them. I think Bonds was a better athlete than Ruth, I think that his swing was better, and aside from Ruth being one of the best pitchers in the game, I think Bonds was a better all around player than Ruth, from stolen bases to contact hits to fielding. He's a 2nd generation player, he knew the game coming in and he played like it, until 1998.
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
see here is the thing, your arguing that Ruth had no control over who he played, that he was popular with Negro players, and that's well known, but the bottomline is that the Negro League was full of great talent in the 20's, the height of the league, and Ruth never was allowed to play them. For that, and that allone the era was full of what ifs. Josh Gibson they said hit 800 home runs in the Negro League, but because of faulty stat taking it's not regonize. You think your a get baseball source, but unless you are 90 years old facts are your wikipedia is your major source. You like me have no real footage of these players, we are left with stat books and stories. And as a history major, I can say that all stories, even the Bible, have to be looked at critially. So when I hear about Ruth, I don't question if he was a great player, but what I do know, even before the bigger head, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I've ever seen, and Bonds before 1998 gave me no questions that he was every just as bit as good as the great players from Willie Mays' era. To me that was when baseball was at it's greatest, it's puriest. Before Jackie Robinson baseball, by no fault of it's players, was like the US pre-1865, stained, and those records are put into question. Ruth got baseball out of the deadball era, put butts in seats and for it he is treated like the greatest player ever. This country loves to think of guy who looks like one of them, has a great smile and a strong bat as the GOAT. But to me, I can't see him that way. Not when there was a league full of great players who never had a chance to prove how good they can be. In the flip side, once Jose Canseco came on the field, baseball became stained again. We will never know if most of these players are juicing until they come out or get caught. Neither has happened to Barry, but his the poster child of steriods, mainly because of his bad relationship with the press. I never thought he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, but he did, and his swing was so quick and so sweet that he honestly could have been a great home run hitter in his career IF he would have focused on strength earlier instead of waiting to "experiment". These players have ??s all over them. I think Bonds was a better athlete than Ruth, I think that his swing was better, and aside from Ruth being one of the best pitchers in the game, I think Bonds was a better all around player than Ruth, from stolen bases to contact hits to fielding. He's a 2nd generation player, he knew the game coming in and he played like it, until 1998.
thank you that was real talk. Hack needs to get off his own dick, thinks he like the god of baseball or something its rather disgusting
LOL@Hackenschmidt :puke:
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
see here is the thing, your arguing that Ruth had no control over who he played, that he was popular with Negro players, and that's well known, but the bottomline is that the Negro League was full of great talent in the 20's, the height of the league, and Ruth never was allowed to play them. For that, and that allone the era was full of what ifs. Josh Gibson they said hit 800 home runs in the Negro League, but because of faulty stat taking it's not regonize. You think your a get baseball source, but unless you are 90 years old facts are your wikipedia is your major source. You like me have no real footage of these players, we are left with stat books and stories. And as a history major, I can say that all stories, even the Bible, have to be looked at critially. So when I hear about Ruth, I don't question if he was a great player, but what I do know, even before the bigger head, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I've ever seen, and Bonds before 1998 gave me no questions that he was every just as bit as good as the great players from Willie Mays' era. To me that was when baseball was at it's greatest, it's puriest. Before Jackie Robinson baseball, by no fault of it's players, was like the US pre-1865, stained, and those records are put into question. Ruth got baseball out of the deadball era, put butts in seats and for it he is treated like the greatest player ever. This country loves to think of guy who looks like one of them, has a great smile and a strong bat as the GOAT. But to me, I can't see him that way. Not when there was a league full of great players who never had a chance to prove how good they can be. In the flip side, once Jose Canseco came on the field, baseball became stained again. We will never know if most of these players are juicing until they come out or get caught. Neither has happened to Barry, but his the poster child of steriods, mainly because of his bad relationship with the press. I never thought he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, but he did, and his swing was so quick and so sweet that he honestly could have been a great home run hitter in his career IF he would have focused on strength earlier instead of waiting to "experiment". These players have ??s all over them. I think Bonds was a better athlete than Ruth, I think that his swing was better, and aside from Ruth being one of the best pitchers in the game, I think Bonds was a better all around player than Ruth, from stolen bases to contact hits to fielding. He's a 2nd generation player, he knew the game coming in and he played like it, until 1998.
blah blah blah. what good is a stolen base when you hit 50 home runs, 15 triples and 30 doubles a year??
Buck Oneal himself said that your average Negro league team consisted of 2-3 position players of MLB quality and 1-2 pitchers
now if a roster is 15-20 players deep, thats not much. 1/4 of the rosters.
now, really, why am i bothering to argue with you? you actually think Bonds is a better contact hitter than Babe Ruth? wow. ::)
what makes you think that? the fact his batting aveage is .035 points above the league average, which is smaller than Ruth's .057?
the fact Ruth's slugging % was miles ahead? were you really THAT impressed by bonds' two steroid enhanced batting titles that you've swayed your decision??
please tell me.
Babe Ruth in 1923 had the best fielding season by a right fielder of all time.
you forget Ruth had a ROCKET of an arm, and was very speedy until the late 1920's.
come on now, you just sound bitter.
btw the way: josh gibosn's 800 home runs = a mythical total for negro league, minor league and exhibiton games....this includes against amateur talent.
he's only confirmed for hitting about 150 against negro league competition and cuban leagues (legit leauges)
gibson would not hit 800 in the majors, especially being a catcher.
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
see here is the thing, your arguing that Ruth had no control over who he played, that he was popular with Negro players, and that's well known, but the bottomline is that the Negro League was full of great talent in the 20's, the height of the league, and Ruth never was allowed to play them. For that, and that allone the era was full of what ifs. Josh Gibson they said hit 800 home runs in the Negro League, but because of faulty stat taking it's not regonize. You think your a get baseball source, but unless you are 90 years old facts are your wikipedia is your major source. You like me have no real footage of these players, we are left with stat books and stories. And as a history major, I can say that all stories, even the Bible, have to be looked at critially. So when I hear about Ruth, I don't question if he was a great player, but what I do know, even before the bigger head, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I've ever seen, and Bonds before 1998 gave me no questions that he was every just as bit as good as the great players from Willie Mays' era. To me that was when baseball was at it's greatest, it's puriest. Before Jackie Robinson baseball, by no fault of it's players, was like the US pre-1865, stained, and those records are put into question. Ruth got baseball out of the deadball era, put butts in seats and for it he is treated like the greatest player ever. This country loves to think of guy who looks like one of them, has a great smile and a strong bat as the GOAT. But to me, I can't see him that way. Not when there was a league full of great players who never had a chance to prove how good they can be. In the flip side, once Jose Canseco came on the field, baseball became stained again. We will never know if most of these players are juicing until they come out or get caught. Neither has happened to Barry, but his the poster child of steriods, mainly because of his bad relationship with the press. I never thought he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, but he did, and his swing was so quick and so sweet that he honestly could have been a great home run hitter in his career IF he would have focused on strength earlier instead of waiting to "experiment". These players have ??s all over them. I think Bonds was a better athlete than Ruth, I think that his swing was better, and aside from Ruth being one of the best pitchers in the game, I think Bonds was a better all around player than Ruth, from stolen bases to contact hits to fielding. He's a 2nd generation player, he knew the game coming in and he played like it, until 1998.
blah blah blah. what good is a stolen base when you hit 50 home runs, 15 triples and 30 doubles a year??
Buck Oneal himself said that your average Negro league team consisted of 2-3 position players of MLB quality and 1-2 pitchers
now if a roster is 15-20 players deep, thats not much. 1/4 of the rosters.
now, really, why am i bothering to argue with you? you actually think Bonds is a better contact hitter than Babe Ruth? wow. ::)
what makes you think that? the fact his batting aveage is .035 points above the league average, which is smaller than Ruth's .057?
the fact Ruth's slugging % was miles ahead? were you really THAT impressed by bonds' two steroid enhanced batting titles that you've swayed your decision??
please tell me.
Babe Ruth in 1923 had the best fielding season by a right fielder of all time.
you forget Ruth had a ROCKET of an arm, and was very speedy until the late 1920's.
come on now, you just sound bitter.
btw the way: josh gibosn's 800 home runs = a mythical total for negro league, minor league and exhibiton games....this includes against amateur talent.
he's only confirmed for hitting about 150 against negro league competition and cuban leagues (legit leauges)
gibson would not hit 800 in the majors, especially being a catcher.
LOL... you just looked up who he was... lol... nice.
Anyways... as it all is, with segragation, pre-Robinson in MLB is what ifs, they say the Negro League was not as good as MLB... OF COURSE!!! But at the end of the day... it's what it is, both eras are faulty, and I say Bonds... RIVERSIDE, CA!!!!!
-
SMH
-
SMH
:eh:
-
^yep that's exactly what i was doing.
-
hahaha
i love when people challenge ol' Hackenshmidt to a baseball arguement 8)
see here is the thing, your arguing that Ruth had no control over who he played, that he was popular with Negro players, and that's well known, but the bottomline is that the Negro League was full of great talent in the 20's, the height of the league, and Ruth never was allowed to play them. For that, and that allone the era was full of what ifs. Josh Gibson they said hit 800 home runs in the Negro League, but because of faulty stat taking it's not regonize. You think your a get baseball source, but unless you are 90 years old facts are your wikipedia is your major source. You like me have no real footage of these players, we are left with stat books and stories. And as a history major, I can say that all stories, even the Bible, have to be looked at critially. So when I hear about Ruth, I don't question if he was a great player, but what I do know, even before the bigger head, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I've ever seen, and Bonds before 1998 gave me no questions that he was every just as bit as good as the great players from Willie Mays' era. To me that was when baseball was at it's greatest, it's puriest. Before Jackie Robinson baseball, by no fault of it's players, was like the US pre-1865, stained, and those records are put into question. Ruth got baseball out of the deadball era, put butts in seats and for it he is treated like the greatest player ever. This country loves to think of guy who looks like one of them, has a great smile and a strong bat as the GOAT. But to me, I can't see him that way. Not when there was a league full of great players who never had a chance to prove how good they can be. In the flip side, once Jose Canseco came on the field, baseball became stained again. We will never know if most of these players are juicing until they come out or get caught. Neither has happened to Barry, but his the poster child of steriods, mainly because of his bad relationship with the press. I never thought he should have broken Hank Aaron's record, but he did, and his swing was so quick and so sweet that he honestly could have been a great home run hitter in his career IF he would have focused on strength earlier instead of waiting to "experiment". These players have ??s all over them. I think Bonds was a better athlete than Ruth, I think that his swing was better, and aside from Ruth being one of the best pitchers in the game, I think Bonds was a better all around player than Ruth, from stolen bases to contact hits to fielding. He's a 2nd generation player, he knew the game coming in and he played like it, until 1998.
blah blah blah. what good is a stolen base when you hit 50 home runs, 15 triples and 30 doubles a year??
Buck Oneal himself said that your average Negro league team consisted of 2-3 position players of MLB quality and 1-2 pitchers
now if a roster is 15-20 players deep, thats not much. 1/4 of the rosters.
now, really, why am i bothering to argue with you? you actually think Bonds is a better contact hitter than Babe Ruth? wow. ::)
what makes you think that? the fact his batting aveage is .035 points above the league average, which is smaller than Ruth's .057?
the fact Ruth's slugging % was miles ahead? were you really THAT impressed by bonds' two steroid enhanced batting titles that you've swayed your decision??
please tell me.
Babe Ruth in 1923 had the best fielding season by a right fielder of all time.
you forget Ruth had a ROCKET of an arm, and was very speedy until the late 1920's.
come on now, you just sound bitter.
btw the way: josh gibosn's 800 home runs = a mythical total for negro league, minor league and exhibiton games....this includes against amateur talent.
he's only confirmed for hitting about 150 against negro league competition and cuban leagues (legit leauges)
gibson would not hit 800 in the majors, especially being a catcher.
LOL... you just looked up who he was... lol... nice.
Actually people that are students of the game know this.
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
thats what I assumed was going on here
hack wilson is not down with racism.
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
I DON'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE?? LOL.... Dude, that's why I moved from Cali to MN, because I don't like white people, so I moved from an area with no white people to an area with LOTS of them... lol.
-
OOOOHHH dont question Hack the Great...LMFAO
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
I DON'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE?? LOL.... Dude, that's why I moved from Cali to MN, because I don't like white people, so I moved from an area with no white people to an area with LOTS of them... lol.
sounds like the well I have a lot of black friends excuse.
-
OOOOHHH dont question Hack the Great...LMFAO
How come the Bonds >>> Ruth never has a argument for why they have that opinion ? Except Mdogg but his views are racially motivated.
-
Oh god, Ruth never played against black players, many black pitchers were far better than the white ones of that era. Ruth deserves an * just like Bonds today playing a juiced era. From the time Jackie Robinson played to the time Jose Canseco put that needle to his arm was when you can truly judge the best batters. Before then we don't even consider Negro League players in this list, you better believe I'll mention Josh Gibson when we do catchers.
Bonds played during an era when there was 30 teams and the pitching was watered down. When Ruth played there was like 18 teams. Besides, black players aren't exactly known for pitching.
Ruth is the king, deal with it.
-
OOOOHHH dont question Hack the Great...LMFAO
How come the Bonds >>> Ruth never has a argument for why they have that opinion ? Except Mdogg but his views are racially motivated.
I will say I have a slight biased... but it has to do with one simple fact... RIVERSIDE, CA!!!! My birth city, the city my mom grew up in, and the city Bobby Bonds is from and the city Barry was born. My family were baseball players, and my aunt married someone who's dad play with both Dusty and Bobby. Barry carries on that legecy for the city, no matter how flawed he is. In Riverside, since the old families moved out and lots of new people moved in, there's not that sense of pride like when Bobby and Dusty played, but I was baptisted in a church 2 blocks from Bobby Bond's Park and Dusty Baker tried to reopen the park, he, Bonds and my cousins played at, but was closed in the 90's due to violence. Barry is that legacy of old Riverside, and it's that old Riverside that was small enough that there's a connection to Bonds, and I have a cousin who's half black and cousin's with Reggie Miller, and also have an aunt who was classmates with Ronnie Lott of the 49ers, and now I was in the same starting defense in high school as Nick Barnett, starting middle linebacker of the Packers. And I'm sorry, Reggie is better than everyone but MJ and Magic, Bonds is only second to Willie Mays and Barnett with end his career better than Seau LT as a linebacker...lol.
But on the real, I think Bonds is better than Ruth. Ruth's legacy is just as tanted as Bonds.
-
Eveybody has there own opinion, but for me its hard to say someone is the greatest and argue for that when i wasnt even alive, when they were playing...All i got off is old clips and what i hear
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
I DON'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE?? LOL.... Dude, that's why I moved from Cali to MN, because I don't like white people, so I moved from an area with no white people to an area with LOTS of them... lol.
::scratches head:::
i'm sorry but you come from the area that INVENTED the Bro Culture.
-
WAS THIS GUY QUESTIONING IF I KNEW WHO JOSH GIBSON WAS????
LOL
1-i have a Gibson poster hanging in my bedroom of his Crawfords team from 1930
2-nigga ive met people who WATCHED josh gibson play in North Carolina in the 1930's and I got audio-interview proof if your ass wants it 8)
3-i've got 2 different biographies on the man
m dogg your funny.
mdogg doesn't like white people so he tries to discredit any accomplishment a white person achieves. Racism in this country will never be resolved until all parties involved take a look in the mirror and realize they are doing all they can to help perpetuate racism.
I DON'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE?? LOL.... Dude, that's why I moved from Cali to MN, because I don't like white people, so I moved from an area with no white people to an area with LOTS of them... lol.
::scratches head:::
i'm sorry but you come from the area that INVENTED the Bro Culture.
San Bernardino/Riverside?? Maybe invented Chicano culture... lol... but we don't have many black people either.
-
mdogg you are wrong again. the chicano movement has more roots in east los angeles, and "Aztan" in general, than your hallowed tap Out wearning Bro Country.
-
Oh god, Ruth never played against black players, many black pitchers were far better than the white ones of that era. Ruth deserves an * just like Bonds today playing a juiced era. From the time Jackie Robinson played to the time Jose Canseco put that needle to his arm was when you can truly judge the best batters. Before then we don't even consider Negro League players in this list, you better believe I'll mention Josh Gibson when we do catchers.
Bonds played during an era when there was 30 teams and the pitching was watered down. When Ruth played there was like 18 teams. Besides, black players aren't exactly known for pitching.
Ruth is the king, deal with it.
very well put
there were 16 teams when Babe played by the way
I would know, I was on one of them.
-
mdogg you are wrong again. the chicano movement has more roots in east los angeles, and "Aztan" in general, than your hallowed tap Out wearning Bro Country.
I know that... the point was to say we have more Latinos than anything. I know about the Chicano movement, you should eat dinner with my family, my dad has stories... lots and lots of stories.
Side note, Hell Angels were actually founded in Fontana, CA, which is why "Berdoo" is so important to them. So we are Hells Angels dogg. In fact, I.E. is Inland Empire, that comes because it's the Inland Valley, but also the KKK which called themselves the Silent Empire, so the I.E. was their home in Southern California, and up until the 60's they were burning crosses at may parks. Which might be why Bonds is so radical, because his dad, like my dad and mom, grew up in this garbage, and my parents didn't exactly forget
But my main deal is standing up for Riverside, these * talks is bullshit. Bonds was a great player, and Riverside is his home. That's the city my mom grew up in, and the city I'm born, and my grandma who has no clue about the scandles today know that that's Bobby's son and she is happy he turned out to be a great player. Kids play at Bobby Bonds park and Bobby always came back and gave money to the community before he died. I have no beef with the Bonds family, so it sickens me that people who don't know shit about them, and how they've help a community that was down and out for so long, how people can hate on Barry like that.
'
-
Oh god, Ruth never played against black players, many black pitchers were far better than the white ones of that era. Ruth deserves an * just like Bonds today playing a juiced era. From the time Jackie Robinson played to the time Jose Canseco put that needle to his arm was when you can truly judge the best batters. Before then we don't even consider Negro League players in this list, you better believe I'll mention Josh Gibson when we do catchers.
Bonds played during an era when there was 30 teams and the pitching was watered down. When Ruth played there was like 18 teams. Besides, black players aren't exactly known for pitching.
Ruth is the king, deal with it.
well said. there is a SHITLOAD of more scrub pitchers today, than there were back when ruth was playin ball.