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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: herpes on September 27, 2008, 01:40:53 PM
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Tim Lincecum - Leads the NL in K's. 2nd in ERA and 10th in WHIP. Seventeen wins and plays for a team that offers no run support. Leads the league in batting average against. Leads the league in K's per 9 innings. Is only 23 years old. Still has one game left to improve on what he has done this season.
The case against... he plays for the Giants and no one knows the Giants exist anymore. He only has 17 wins.
Johan Santana - Leads the NL in ERA and is 5th in WHIP. He is tied for 2nd in K's. Leads the NL in quality starts. Opp BBA is .232. Is pitching pressure filled NY and with his teams season on the line pitched a complete game shut out on short rest with season on the line. Hasn't lost a game since June. The bullpen has blown 7 games for him.
Case against.... only has 16 wins.
Brandon Webb - Leads the league in Wins. Ninth in ERA. Eleventh in WHIP. The league is hitting .243 against him. Has one start left to go for Major League leading win number 23
Case against... Besides wins Santana and Lincecum have better lines. In the middle of the pennant chase he shit the bed three starts in a row.
Can we keep this civilized and leave out name calling ?
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If you vote other post why. I was too lazy to throw Lidge and CC on the poll.
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This is a two horse race in my mind and I'm not even sure yet. I guess I'll decide after Lincecum's last start.
If I HAD to decide right now I'll say it's Santana by a cunt hair.
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I think if Lincy has a bad start tomorrow Santana will win it in a close voting race.
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manny!!
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manny!!
fuck yeah!!
MANNY FOR CY MOTHERFUCKING YOUNG!!
LOL
seriously tho...its too close to call. i honestly think that CC, Lincy, Santana, and Webb deserve the award...it all depends on what the voters like. do they like wins? if so, Webb has it. do they like CG? if so, CC has it. do they like strikeouts? if so Lincy has. do they like ERA? if so, Santana has it.
too close to fucking call.
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:D
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Lol @ Kobe. Much groupies here?
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Santana.
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Cant go wrong with either Lincecum or Santana, If Lincy pitches real well tomorrow and wins then he should get award and if he doesnt then it should go to Johan IMO
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Cant go wrong with either Lincecum for Santana, If Lincy pitches real well tomorrow and wins then he should get award and if he doesnt then it should go to Johan IMO
Thats how I think it will happen. Most people have short memories.
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Timmy sure ended the season on a high note, 7 innings with only 1ER and 13 K'S! If we hold on to the win he will be 18-5, he has the best winning percentage in the NL, The Most strikeouts by far with over 260 :o :o His ERA is a cunt hair behind Santana's but they are SO close, give the Cy Young to Timmy!!! He deserves it, if he had average run support and just a decent bullpen he would have around 24 or 25 wins, Lincecum for Cy Young!!
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We got the win for Lincy!
Tim Lincecum 18-5 , 2.62ERA, 264 K'S,
He should win the Cy Young but he wont because most voters are morons
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give it to CC just for his last two starts! WHAT A FUCKIN ANIMAL!!! 8)
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give it to CC just for his last two starts! WHAT A FUCKIN ANIMAL!!! 8)
If the award was Most Valuable Pitcher then maybe but this award is the Cy Young award and it is supposed to go to the NL pitcher who has been the best pitcher all year
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Final Numbers:
Tim Lincecum - 227.0 IP/ 2.62 ERA/ 1.17 WHIP/ 265 SO/ 84 BB/ 3.07 K/BB 2 CG/ 1 SHO .223 AVG/ .297 OBA/ .316 SLG
Johan Santana - 234.1 IP/ 2.53 ERA/ 1.15 WHIP/ 206 SO/ 63 BB/ 3.27 K/BB 3 CG/ 2 SHO .232 AVG/ .286 OBA/ .362 SLG
I don't care about the W stat, Webb isn't in with these two.
The numbers are REALLY close IMO, if I had to choose I think I'd go with Santana.
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
what does pitching have to do with a supporting cast? there all major leaguers in the field, they can all make the same plays. the stats Knuckles put up, show it all. very close, but Johan has a better ERA, WHIP, BB, K/BB, CG, SHO, OBA.
there both awsome, but Johan has the better numbers...slightly.
CC is 11-2 with 7 complete games & 3 shutouts, with a 1.65 ERA. that is so monsterous! GO BREWERS! 8)
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
Johan has the worst bullpen in baseball behind him.
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cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
what does pitching have to do with a supporting cast? there all major leaguers in the field, they can all make the same plays
as far as arguing whether Tim or Johan gets it, I don't know what their supporting casts did for them because I didn't watch the Giants and Mets 162 games
but by supporting cast I take it Spice means both the offense and defense behind Lincecum
obviously the Mets had better hitting than the Giants did this season - and no, all major leaguers aren't the same in the field and can't make the same plays on defense
if a pitcher gets a 3 run lead to work with early they're game is different than being behind and some guys (like Santana) can cruise to victory if all holds up
I'm sure his argument is that Lincecum had to work harder with less offensive help and control his own game more often than the offense starting it for him
I'm not saying Santana got tons of offensive help on the days he pitched, I don't know, it seems to say something as far as statistics go for Lincecum
I'm pretty sure the Mets fucked up some games for Santana as far as wins go, same with Lincecum....
someone should post up stats comparing their run support
at the same time Tommy makes a great point as well with the bullpen... but again, the Giants bullpen wasn't shit either haha
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cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
what does pitching have to do with a supporting cast? there all major leaguers in the field, they can all make the same plays
as far as arguing whether Tim or Johan gets it, I don't know what their supporting casts did for them because I didn't watch the Giants and Mets 162 games
but by supporting cast I take it Spice means both the offense and defense behind Lincecum
obviously the Mets had better hitting than the Giants did this season - and no, all major leaguers aren't the same in the field and can't make the same plays on defense
if a pitcher gets a 3 run lead to work with early they're game is different than being behind and some guys (like Santana) can cruise to victory if all holds up
I'm sure his argument is that Lincecum had to work harder with less offensive help and control his own game more often than the offense starting it for him
I'm not saying Santana got tons of offensive help on the days he pitched, I don't know, it seems to say something as far as statistics go for Lincecum
I'm pretty sure the Mets fucked up some games for Santana as far as wins go, same with Lincecum....
someone should post up stats comparing their run support
at the same time Tommy makes a great point as well with the bullpen... but again, the Giants bullpen wasn't shit either haha
Early in the season Johan pitched a fair share of games with no run support. It wasn't until Wee Brain Willie got fired the offense started to click.
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Yeah Santana has a horrible bullpen I agree but The Giants middle relief is pretty bad to and the Mets offense is 10x better than the Giants so that is what I meant by supporting cast, like I said though you cant go wrong with either guy but I don't think Webb should be mentioned with these 2 right now.
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You cant go wrong with either pitcher but I think Lincy will get it.
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
Johan has the worst bullpen in baseball behind him.
yeah he deserves at least 6 more wins.
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
Johan has the worst bullpen in baseball behind him.
yeah he deserves at least 6 more wins.
7 actually lol.
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^^You cant go wrong with either 2 however Lincecum has the better winning percentage and Johan has a much better supporting cast
Johan has the worst bullpen in baseball behind him.
yeah he deserves at least 6 more wins.
7 actually lol.
lol even more reason its unanimous. ;)
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because of the bullpen and lack of run support lincecum should have at least another 8 or 9 wins
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because of the bullpen and lack of run support lincecum should have at least another 8 or 9 wins
actually I read somewhere the difference between Lincy's run support and Santana's wasn't all that much. I could be wrong though.
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^damn that could be but I would be a bit surprised, like we both have said both pitchers deserve it alot but I have a bad feeling it is going to be Webb who wins it, alot of voters are morons.
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give it to barry zito
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give it to barry zito
LOL thats enough Hack, please dont bring up Zito. The Giants are headed in the right direction with our youth movement, we will be a .500 team next year and we will be contenders in 2010 IMO
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give it to barry zito
LOL thats enough Hack, please dont bring up Zito. The Giants are headed in the right direction with our youth movement, we will be a .500 team next year and we will be contenders in 2010 IMO
but zito can play the guitar
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^^please dont remind me LOL. The worst thing is how he said in the offseason he wants to improve his hitting, what the fuck about your god damn pitching!!!
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^^please dont remind me LOL. The worst thing is how he said in the offseason he wants to improve his hitting, what the fuck about your god damn pitching!!!
im quite confident well go buy somebody mad good lol. :)
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Santana pitched the last month of the season with a torn meniscus in his knee.
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Santana pitched the last month of the season with a torn meniscus in his knee.
lol, playing the sympathy card, huh? ;D
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give it to lidge.
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Santana pitched the last month of the season with a torn meniscus in his knee.
does he want a cookie??
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Santana pitched the last month of the season with a torn meniscus in his knee.
does he want a cookie??
yes
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KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!