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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: kuruptDPG on October 11, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
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Johnny J, QD3, DJ Pooh & Sir Jinx
johhny j obv cant be, rip my homie, so gutted u have left us. man the west wouldve been alot better if they wer active alot more, im not saying these producers should be used all the time but they are dope producers and they shouldnt be forgotten like most rappers have done.
wat u guys think?
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yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
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yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
exactly. would it be sensible if dr.dre was put in this list also? he has stuff put out but hardly, its not even for the west, last trak we heard was the trak with slim thug. honestly dre can change the game like that, honestly he can save the west in like 10 secs in my opinion but i dont really know wat goes around that guys head
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yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
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yeah dre is powerful, jus like jay-z is and look what he does, alot for himself and his coast!
he got alot of chronic goin in his head!
thats why he's bein detoxified
yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
exactly. would it be sensible if dr.dre was put in this list also? he has stuff put out but hardly, its not even for the west, last trak we heard was the trak with slim thug. honestly dre can change the game like that, honestly he can save the west in like 10 secs in my opinion but i dont really know wat goes around that guys head
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yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
thats true. producers that i have mentioned have lost touch to be honest but if they just work harder on ther beats then it'l be all gd. i mean these producers have had ther input in the early days, it should be that they hav some input now.
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I agree witchu kurupt4life str8 up!
and Somethin'
jus take jelly roll for example
see the typa heta he was makin wit xzibit?
what happened there?
what happened to dre and xzibit?
what happened to dre and mc ren?
they can do shit to bring this shit back!
focus, dj khalil, dae one are dope but on a bigger scene we need the big soggs to bring this back!
yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
thats true. producers that i have mentioned have lost touch to be honest but if they just work harder on ther beats then it'l be all gd. i mean these producers have had ther input in the early days, it should be that they hav some input now.
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You know what? I wish Mike Mosley would have worked more with less underground artists. Out of all of the songs that I know are produced by him I honestly can't think of one that I don't like.
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I agree witchu kurupt4life str8 up!
and Somethin'
jus take jelly roll for example
see the typa heta he was makin wit xzibit?
what happened there?
what happened to dre and xzibit?
what happened to dre and mc ren?
they can do shit to bring this shit back!
focus, dj khalil, dae one are dope but on a bigger scene we need the big soggs to bring this back!
yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
thats true. producers that i have mentioned have lost touch to be honest but if they just work harder on ther beats then it'l be all gd. i mean these producers have had ther input in the early days, it should be that they hav some input now.
just because he had hits with Xzibit THEN doesnt mean he will now. what kinda shit is that?
or just because he had dope records with X-Z then doesnt mean he will now. Just cuz it looks on paper doesnt mean the shit will be top notch.
bottom line is..as you said..look at Jay-Z..he still big in NY..but how come NY aint been back?? because its about hit records. believe it or not Maino is the only relevant (right now) in the industry from NY except for Nas, 50 and them.
why? is it because he dope? hell naw duke wack on the mic. but its because he have a hit song out there.
thats the only thing that can bring attention to a whole coast and/or record labels.
do you think if Glasses gets beats from Dre and features from Snoop the west will be back? hell no...well maybe but it depends on the HITS not WHOS ON THE ALBUM.
and even though its dope for hardcore fans like us to appreciate westcoast hiphop..the truth is the reason they aint hot anymore is because NO ONE is willing to break out of that "circle" and start catering to todays audience.
so what u have right now is every westcoast rapper being portrayed as gangsta rappers. nothin else.
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QD III = that nigga
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nah what Im sayin (if you've heard the new x) he can still spit
obviously dre can still make heat, and yeah hes been tryna to make his own album so obivously hes busy wit that
but member when x dropped restless
we had the world ridin on our shit
yeah they was, everywhere I went cats were jockin that shit, maybe not every single person but coast 2 coast 2 overseas cats was feelin that shit
what did he do:
dropped restless wit dre's co sign!
aite how many singles?
3 singles, bangin singles,
x
front 2 back
get your walk on
3 bangin singles, x kept it street but the masses loved it, and we was on top durin that time!
I agree witchu kurupt4life str8 up!
and Somethin'
jus take jelly roll for example
see the typa heta he was makin wit xzibit?
what happened there?
what happened to dre and xzibit?
what happened to dre and mc ren?
they can do shit to bring this shit back!
focus, dj khalil, dae one are dope but on a bigger scene we need the big soggs to bring this back!
yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
thats true. producers that i have mentioned have lost touch to be honest but if they just work harder on ther beats then it'l be all gd. i mean these producers have had ther input in the early days, it should be that they hav some input now.
just because he had hits with Xzibit THEN doesnt mean he will now. what kinda shit is that?
or just because he had dope records with X-Z then doesnt mean he will now. Just cuz it looks on paper doesnt mean the shit will be top notch.
bottom line is..as you said..look at Jay-Z..he still big in NY..but how come NY aint been back?? because its about hit records. believe it or not Maino is the only relevant (right now) in the industry from NY except for Nas, 50 and them.
why? is it because he dope? hell naw duke wack on the mic. but its because he have a hit song out there.
thats the only thing that can bring attention to a whole coast and/or record labels.
do you think if Glasses gets beats from Dre and features from Snoop the west will be back? hell no...well maybe but it depends on the HITS not WHOS ON THE ALBUM.
and even though its dope for hardcore fans like us to appreciate westcoast hiphop..the truth is the reason they aint hot anymore is because NO ONE is willing to break out of that "circle" and start catering to todays audience.
so what u have right now is every westcoast rapper being portrayed as gangsta rappers. nothin else.
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QDIII is indeed a favourite
And, as I've said before, to me Jinx is like a west coast version of Easy Mo Bee
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nah what Im sayin (if you've heard the new x) he can still spit
obviously dre can still make heat, and yeah hes been tryna to make his own album so obivously hes busy wit that
but member when x dropped restless
we had the world ridin on our shit
yeah they was, everywhere I went cats were jockin that shit, maybe not every single person but coast 2 coast 2 overseas cats was feelin that shit
what did he do:
dropped restless wit dre's co sign!
aite how many singles?
3 singles, bangin singles,
x
front 2 back
get your walk on
3 bangin singles, x kept it street but the masses loved it, and we was on top durin that time!
I agree witchu kurupt4life str8 up!
and Somethin'
jus take jelly roll for example
see the typa heta he was makin wit xzibit?
what happened there?
what happened to dre and xzibit?
what happened to dre and mc ren?
they can do shit to bring this shit back!
focus, dj khalil, dae one are dope but on a bigger scene we need the big soggs to bring this back!
yeah
I mean this is why we arent winnin and on top
we need the best to do what they do
no its not. the reason why the "west aint winning" is because these cats cant come up with hit songs.
you think if kurupt and them was more active it would make a big difference?
would the material that we hear from the west be better? maybe maybe not
but dont say that thats the reason the west aint winning.
remember how the south got hot in this era...it all started during the lil jon era, club hits era. hella cats from the south had hit songs and thats why the label started focusing on them.
outside of snoop and game who really got hits?
yeah its true that the westcoast artist dont get enough push from the label, but thats just because..the labels know westcoast cats have a hard time comin up with hits and thats why they not spendin any money.
westcoast rappers are tooooooo focused on "keepin it street" with they music, which is good, but thats why westcoast aint that relevant anymore.
thats true. producers that i have mentioned have lost touch to be honest but if they just work harder on ther beats then it'l be all gd. i mean these producers have had ther input in the early days, it should be that they hav some input now.
just because he had hits with Xzibit THEN doesnt mean he will now. what kinda shit is that?
or just because he had dope records with X-Z then doesnt mean he will now. Just cuz it looks on paper doesnt mean the shit will be top notch.
bottom line is..as you said..look at Jay-Z..he still big in NY..but how come NY aint been back?? because its about hit records. believe it or not Maino is the only relevant (right now) in the industry from NY except for Nas, 50 and them.
why? is it because he dope? hell naw duke wack on the mic. but its because he have a hit song out there.
thats the only thing that can bring attention to a whole coast and/or record labels.
do you think if Glasses gets beats from Dre and features from Snoop the west will be back? hell no...well maybe but it depends on the HITS not WHOS ON THE ALBUM.
and even though its dope for hardcore fans like us to appreciate westcoast hiphop..the truth is the reason they aint hot anymore is because NO ONE is willing to break out of that "circle" and start catering to todays audience.
so what u have right now is every westcoast rapper being portrayed as gangsta rappers. nothin else.
yeah but look at what you're sayin....AT THAT TIME..like i said just because it was dope and you can consider those songs hit songs THEN doesnt mean songs like that will get play now which 9,5/10 they wont.
you already now that hiphop changes all the time..just 2 years ago 50 was the "flavor of the month" now its Wayne then its someone else after that. Hiphop is like that you cant say that because they produced hit songs then, the same producers/rappers will make the same hit records now.
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QDIII is indeed a favourite
And, as I've said before, to me Jinx is like a west coast version of Easy Mo Bee
Easy mo bee = a god
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yeah your right them songs might not get the same play now (I think they'd still get play, not as much)
but IMO
jinx, jelly roll, and even the new comers can produce the heat we need for the "mainstream" how it was done before
problem is, it hasnt been done recently
look for example
wrong idea by bad azz, snoop dogg, lil half dead and kokane
that song came out in 2001
it still, to this day, gets play (weekly) in the bay area (yeah the bay area plays that song weekly)
so they play it anywhere from 2-3 times a week sometimes, thats good for a "la" song up in the bay area, and its old, 7 years old!
produced by jelly roll and mixed by dr. dre!
point is, the heat isnt bein made lately, thats all!
and no if G Malone gets on a dr. dre produced song that dont mean nothin! as you said its got to be heat!
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on that list if i could bring one back it would be qd3 but he doesnt need to drop music being the son of quincy jones hes caked up hard....
if i had a choice to bring one back it would be ant banks....
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to me dj pooh was always one of the best
id love to see that guy resurface
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Add Ant Banks to your list. Dude brought heat from 94'-00'.
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Ant Banks is a LEGEND 8)
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Was in tha Studio with Sir jinx not to long ago, He still producing and working with a few artist, and that nigga still making heat. I got a some fire im bout to record with him for my album.
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Back to the topic, I have been thinking about this a lot lately...
Listen to any classic WC album (I mean Real classics) or say 2pac tracks for example, The production is timeless....like 50 years later you could still bump some old school track and shit be dope! Thats what I think is missing 'cause again for E.G. 2pac tracks are 10 going on 15 years old now, and as I said before they will always be rememberd and bumped!
So yeah production wise quality isn't the same as before, but in saying this, I think West Coast has some of the best Producers, that don't get a lot of attention.
Battlecat should be up there with your Scott Storches, Dres, , Lil Jons, Timbalands, Neptunes, Swizz Beats (which is rediculous, 'cause Swizz beats has to be one of the shittier know producers around apart from the odd track here and there).
So Battlecat, Fingazz, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Daz, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, Terrace Martin, THX, Damizza, J Wells, Meech Wells, etc etc I could go on for ages lol...
I think WC is in good hands as far as producers.
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So Battlecat, Fingazz, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Daz, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, Terrace Martin, THX, Damizza, J Wells, Meech Wells, etc etc I could go on for ages lol...
I think WC is in good hands as far as producers.
If only these mainstream wc-cats used these producers.
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Back to the topic, I have been thinking about this a lot lately...
Listen to any classic WC album (I mean Real classics) or say 2pac tracks for example, The production is timeless....like 50 years later you could still bump some old school track and shit be dope! Thats what I think is missing 'cause again for E.G. 2pac tracks are 10 going on 15 years old now, and as I said before they will always be rememberd and bumped!
So yeah production wise quality isn't the same as before, but in saying this, I think West Coast has some of the best Producers, that don't get a lot of attention.
Battlecat should be up there with your Scott Storches, Dres, , Lil Jons, Timbalands, Neptunes, Swizz Beats (which is rediculous, 'cause Swizz beats has to be one of the shittier know producers around apart from the odd track here and there).
So Battlecat, Fingazz, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Daz, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, Terrace Martin, THX, Damizza, J Wells, Meech Wells, etc etc I could go on for ages lol...
I think WC is in good hands as far as producers.
I AGREE! WOKE UP LISTING TO WE CAN FREAK IT- KURUPT, produced by battlecat. How old is that? It sounds better then anything on the radio now, and will still bang years from now, when we've forget this lacc of substance music out now days... I see what your saying, the west does have the talant and producers, to create classics, but WHAT THA FUCC IS GOING ON??lol i dont know why as soon as niggaz get signed out here or get a lil shine they wanna rush out to get one of these big name producers from the east, and make music that doesnt sound authintic, when we got all the producers we need in our own baccyard. I would work with all the ones you listed above, before i worked with a Swizz or a storch and have a better chance at a putting out a classic.
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Back to the topic, I have been thinking about this a lot lately...
Listen to any classic WC album (I mean Real classics) or say 2pac tracks for example, The production is timeless....like 50 years later you could still bump some old school track and shit be dope! Thats what I think is missing 'cause again for E.G. 2pac tracks are 10 going on 15 years old now, and as I said before they will always be rememberd and bumped!
So yeah production wise quality isn't the same as before, but in saying this, I think West Coast has some of the best Producers, that don't get a lot of attention.
Battlecat should be up there with your Scott Storches, Dres, , Lil Jons, Timbalands, Neptunes, Swizz Beats (which is rediculous, 'cause Swizz beats has to be one of the shittier know producers around apart from the odd track here and there).
So Battlecat, Fingazz, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Daz, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, Terrace Martin, THX, Damizza, J Wells, Meech Wells, etc etc I could go on for ages lol...
I think WC is in good hands as far as producers.
I AGREE! WOKE UP LISTING TO WE CAN FREAK IT- KURUPT, produced by battlecat. How old is that? It sounds better then anything on the radio now, and will still bang years from now, when we've forget this lacc of substance music out now days... I see what your saying, the west does have the talant and producers, to create classics, but WHAT THA FUCC IS GOING ON??lol i dont know why as soon as niggaz get signed out here or get a lil shine they wanna rush out to get one of these big name producers from the east, and make music that doesnt sound authintic, when we got all the producers we need in our own baccyard. I would work with all the ones you listed above, before i worked with a Swizz or a storch and have a better chance at a putting out a classic.
but what if they like them beats better?
stop with the dumb shit..just because you fan niggas want production from them doesn't mean they want it. we are the listeners they are the artists we chose what to listen to and what not to. They dont need to do shit that YOU want.
what if it sounds authentic to them?
just like you sayin a Battlecat production or any other westcoast producer shit sounds more authentic, maybe they feel like the eastcoast or the south producers shit sounds more authentic.
and it trips me out because westcoast fans are the most closeminded niggaz (not talkin about you directly).
like for instance, when they see a tracklist before they heard an album and see a few artist that THEY dont like..they call the song wack..even BEFORE they heard the actual song(s).
but if or when they put westcoast artist/producers they wanna check for the artist album, and then immediately call it a classic song.
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Im not saying it all has to sound west coast as in gangbang music, a whole bunch of claps and shit like that. i also know people like differnt sounds an you cant limit yourself.. But we are talking about making classics again. i feel when you got a eastcoast or downsouth artist and producers making these songs,they are making hits on that sound, but because it is there sound! When you got a west nigga tryin to sound south or east not sayin its goin to be wacc, but its goin to sound like a carbon copy of a them other cats .
So yeah tha song might bang and get play, but no lasting power, why listen to a nigga that sounds south or east when i can listen to Jeezy, or whoever elese. and your right the listener chooses what they like, and evidently they not liking what they hearing coming from my area, where are the new Snoops, Ice Cubes, Quics, you know pepole who sond like them selves. Me I like bangers, classics, i dont care about the name of producers, i just know the ones named are capable of giving some of my fellow West artist that sound we need again.
I also say this because I've been in the studio with alot of these producers and i know they all got platinum sounds. That nigga JELLYROLL under rated, but people will see, the West Will Produce Classics again, There Already in the making!!! West meaning west artist and west producers,
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Johnny J, QD3, DJ Pooh & Sir Jinx
johhny j obv cant be, rip my homie, so gutted u have left us. man the west wouldve been alot better if they wer active alot more, im not saying these producers should be used all the time but they are dope producers and they shouldnt be forgotten like most rappers have done.
wat u guys think?
u speaking 100 homie.
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Ant Banks .
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pooh active...he gettin his stanley clarke on..with the boondocks and stuff..bet he makin way more money...doin the music for that cartoon..
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Battlecat, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, THX, Mike Mosley, Ant Banks, Toni Capone, DQ3
All these producers arent active anymore as they were. They need to drop ther own albums/mixtapes if rappers aint coming to them.
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Battlecat, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, THX, Mike Mosley, Ant Banks, Toni Capone, DQ3
All these producers arent active anymore as they were. They need to drop ther own albums/mixtapes if rappers aint coming to them.
i feel dat
i would just buy a instrumental fuck it
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I don't really listen to WestCoast anymore, but Rick Rock sure had some certified bangers.
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Battlecat, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, THX, Mike Mosley, Ant Banks, Toni Capone, DQ3
All these producers arent active anymore as they were. They need to drop ther own albums/mixtapes if rappers aint coming to them.
Take Jellyroll off that list. we from tha same label and we in the studio everyday!! that nigga got his project in tha works, doing most of my project, Just did tha Bakers Dozen with Xzibit, man the West is going to come bacc trust me, that next level shit is on tha way.
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Bud'da
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Battlecat, Fredwreck, Rick Rock, Jelly Roll, LT Hutton, Dj Quik, Soopafly, Dr Stank, Sean T, E-Swift, THX, Mike Mosley, Ant Banks, Toni Capone, QD3
All these producers arent active anymore as they were. They need to drop ther own albums/mixtapes if rappers aint coming to them.
Take Jellyroll off that list. we from tha same label and we in the studio everyday!! that nigga got his project in tha works, doing most of my project, Just did tha Bakers Dozen with Xzibit, man the West is going to come bacc trust me, that next level shit is on tha way.
kl didnt realise he was on the list.
Bud'da
Yh he good too. i luv greed by ice cube