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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: teecee on November 30, 2008, 10:16:41 AM
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Makes no sense really. He has the outside shot, post-up game, drives ,etc, but never has shot even 47 percent for a season. I think I remember once NIK arguing that it was because he shoots so many three's, or because he shoots at the end of the shot clock a lot. Well, Lebron and D-Wade are both shooting MORE three's with a lower percentage from downtown, and yet are both nearing 50 percent success rate while Kobe is still around 46 percent. You'd think, with the team he has now, that Kobe would be around 50 percent as he doesn't usually have to force anything......
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its a good thought, but it will get ignored on a board like this, where Kobe is a godly figure.
*by the end of this thread there will be a statement like "Kobe>>>LeBron"* :D
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bc he's a ball hog?
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Wade and Lebron attack the basket more; Kobe plays on the perimeter. Honestly you have to respect Wade for taking the higher percentage shots (too bad in turn him and Lebron have decided to not even attempt to develop a 3ball).
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^^^^^^^^^ Well, he is not exactly hogging the ball this year; actually, he is being very unselfish. And even "ball-hogs" like Jordan shot GREAT percentages despite forcing shots at times.
*by the end of this thread there will be a statement like "Kobe>>>LeBron"* or Kobe>MJ
but when it comes to FGpercentage, Kobe is WAY behind the greats like Jordan, and current comparable players
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mj > kobe
that'll forever be the same
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WOuldn't Kobe be more efficient driving more then? Or posting up half the game like MJ did for the second half of his career?
I don't think Lebron will ever be a great 3 pt shooter, but with his size his future will be more in the post, especially when/if he loses some athleticism. Wade better develop a better outside shot as his body won't be able to stand the punishment.
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WOuldn't Kobe be more efficient driving more then? Or posting up half the game like MJ did for the second half of his career?
I don't think Lebron will ever be a great 3 pt shooter, but with his size his future will be more in the post, especially when/if he loses some athleticism. Wade better develop a better outside shot as his body won't be able to stand the punishment.
apperently a dominating body & power isnt enough to put you close to such a God of Kobe. ::)
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Kobe is 30. You can only play like Wade for a limited number of years. He's in his 13th season, there's no way he can still attack the basket like a young nigga all the time. In the past when he was young enough, he was being a ball hog. Before that, Shaq was the nigga in the paint.
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Kobe is 30. You can only play like Wade for a limited number of years. He's in his 13th season, there's no way he can still attack the basket like a young nigga all the time. In the past when he was young enough, he was being a ball hog. Before that, Shaq was the nigga in the paint.
and only gettin older
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You have to remember, unlike most players nowadays, Kobe has unlimited range...with unlimited range comes more perimeter jumpshots. If Kobe was only able to score in the paint, he'd have a much higher percentage (ala Tony Parker). Does this mean Tony Parker is more efficient at scoring than Kobe? of course not...it just means that Kobe has a more extensive arsenal that gives him the ability of taking shots with a higher degree of difficulty. A lot of Kobe's shots come from three point range OR right inside the threepoint line...does that not make sense?
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All I am saying is that both D-Wade and Kobe actually take more three's than Kobe. I too think that Kobe's scoring ability is unmatched, but he is not as efficient as he should be, especially now that he has such a good team around him.
NIK< i know you find NO fault in Kobe, but even you must believe Kobe should hit more than 46 percent of his field goals. He has matured, understands his game and the game in general better now than ever. So it would only make sense that he would be up there with LBJ and Wade........
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WOuldn't Kobe be more efficient driving more then? Or posting up half the game like MJ did for the second half of his career?
I don't think Lebron will ever be a great 3 pt shooter, but with his size his future will be more in the post, especially when/if he loses some athleticism. Wade better develop a better outside shot as his body won't be able to stand the punishment.
Kobe is 30 years old man. As exciting as it is watching Wade go flying towards the basket with no regard for his body, that shit is a coaches nightmare. Kobe attacks the basket enough, if I were his coach I wouldn't want him to do it any more at this stage of his career. He has a damn good jumpshot and he needs to keep using it.
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WOuldn't Kobe be more efficient driving more then? Or posting up half the game like MJ did for the second half of his career?
I don't think Lebron will ever be a great 3 pt shooter, but with his size his future will be more in the post, especially when/if he loses some athleticism. Wade better develop a better outside shot as his body won't be able to stand the punishment.
Kobe is 30 years old man. As exciting as it is watching Wade go flying towards the basket with no regard for his body, that shit is a coaches nightmare. Kobe attacks the basket enough, if I were his coach I wouldn't want him to do it any more at this stage of his career. He has a damn good jumpshot and he needs to keep using it.
I agree, but then why didn't Kobe shoot a higher percentage when he was younger??? I like Kobe's game, and he has a good balance of inside/outside shooting, but it just seems like he should be able to shoot a higher percentage.......l.
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All I am saying is that both D-Wade and Kobe actually take more three's than Kobe. I too think that Kobe's scoring ability is unmatched, but he is not as efficient as he should be, especially now that he has such a good team around him.
NIK< i know you find NO fault in Kobe, but even you must believe Kobe should hit more than 46 percent of his field goals. He has matured, understands his game and the game in general better now than ever. So it would only make sense that he would be up there with LBJ and Wade........
this is the first season that they've shot more threes than Kobe and it hasn't even been 20 games, yet...regardless, Kobe takes a bulk of his shots right inside the three point line. theres no chance in hell that Wade and LeBron shoot more perimeter shots than Kobe overall.
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WOuldn't Kobe be more efficient driving more then? Or posting up half the game like MJ did for the second half of his career?
I don't think Lebron will ever be a great 3 pt shooter, but with his size his future will be more in the post, especially when/if he loses some athleticism. Wade better develop a better outside shot as his body won't be able to stand the punishment.
Kobe is 30 years old man. As exciting as it is watching Wade go flying towards the basket with no regard for his body, that shit is a coaches nightmare. Kobe attacks the basket enough, if I were his coach I wouldn't want him to do it any more at this stage of his career. He has a damn good jumpshot and he needs to keep using it.
I agree, but then why didn't Kobe shoot a higher percentage when he was younger??? I like Kobe's game, and he has a good balance of inside/outside shooting, but it just seems like he should be able to shoot a higher percentage.......l.
considering the degree of difficulty in a good portion of his shots, Kobe's percentage is extremely nice...don't compare it to LBJ and Wade, compare it to other permieter oriented elite stars (T-Mac, Vince Carter, etc), and you'll see that he shoots a good percentage.
Is Erick Dampier a more efficient scorer than Chris Bosh or is Bosh is simply more perimeter oriented due to his more extensive arsenal on offense? It should make perfect sense to you.
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I've read an interview by Kobe's coach when he was in Lower Marion High School, and he said Kobe has to improve his mid-range shooting percentage. He made it after Kobe won the MVP, 2-3 months ago. And Kobe said his former coach was right, and that's where he should improve this year. I was watching the game vs Dallas, and check out those stats.
Kobe's field goal %
0-5 FEET 4-6
6-10 FEET 2-2
11-15 FEET 1-1
15+ FEET 5-15
15+ FEET is the problem. I hope that answers your question.
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I was watching the game vs Dallas, and check out those stats.
Kobe's field goal %
0-5 FEET 4-6
6-10 FEET 2-2
11-15 FEET 1-1
15+ FEET 5-15
15+ FEET is the problem. I hope that answers your question.
Um, sample size a little small isn't?
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I was watching the game vs Dallas, and check out those stats.
Kobe's field goal %
0-5 FEET 4-6
6-10 FEET 2-2
11-15 FEET 1-1
15+ FEET 5-15
15+ FEET is the problem. I hope that answers your question.
Um, sample size a little small isn't?
It is, but still: Why in the fuck is he shooting so many long 2s? Can some Lakerfan who sees him all the time answer this? I understand why he is not going to the hoop, making contact, getting the call and the lay-up 10 times a game. I get that. But why not more shots from a bit nearer to the basket? Or real 3s if you want to take long-ranged shots. Those long 2s really piss me off. Not just in Kobe's case, of course. More like in the game of basketball, why do some players take so many long 2s, instead of 3s or mid-ranged shots? Kobe is mobile enough to get himself open nearer to the basket, it's not like he's Kyle Korver who can't lose the D as soon as he steps in nearer than 15 feet, feel me?
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Since we're talking about stats, those are the best scorers among the Shooting Guards in the League with their respective FG%.
1 Dwyane Wade , MIA - 28.2 - .497
2 Devin Harris , NJN - 25.3 - .487
3 Kobe Bryant , LAL - 24.4 - .469
4 Vince Carter , NJN - 23.8 - .484
5 Joe Johnson , ATL - 22.7 - .437
6 Kevin Durant , OKC - 22.2 - .456
7 O.J. Mayo , MEM - 21.9 - .464
8 Brandon Roy , POR - 20.9 - .463
9 Ben Gordon , CHI - 20.4 - .452
10 Chris Paul , NOH - 20.3 - .522
11 Jason Terry , DAL - 20.1 - .461
12 Jamal Crawford , GSW-NYK - 18.6 - .409
13 Derrick Rose , CHI - 18.4 - .487
14 Chauncey Billups , DEN-DET - 17.8 - .407
15 Allen Iverson , DET-DEN - 17.8 - .402
16 Ray Allen , BOS - 17.6 - .478
17 Baron Davis , LAC - 17.0 - .382
18 Marquis Daniels , IND - 16.1 - .460
19 Richard Hamilton , DET - 16.1 - .406
20 Mike Bibby , ATL - 16.0 - .466
Just 6 players out of 19 shoots better than Kobe. And if you watch them with attention, they are all players who plays aggressive under the basket making easy layups, easy dunks, high percentage shots. Kobe loves to take off balances shots, he takes fadeways, he shoots from the angle, from the middle range, he creates his own shot always.
See Hamilton: he's a player who usually shoots from mid range. He's shooting .406%. See Joe Johnson, he's another player who shoots from outside: he's shooting .437%. See Durant, see Iverson, see Baron Davis, Bibby... they are all player who shoots from middle-long range.
So... MID-LONG RANGE SHOOTS = BAD FG% (unless you are Ray Allen)
I was watching the game vs Dallas, and check out those stats.
Kobe's field goal %
0-5 FEET 4-6
6-10 FEET 2-2
11-15 FEET 1-1
15+ FEET 5-15
15+ FEET is the problem. I hope that answers your question.
Um, sample size a little small isn't?
It is, but still: Why in the fuck is he shooting so many long 2s? Can some Lakerfan who sees him all the time answer this? I understand why he is not going to the hoop, making contact, getting the call and the lay-up 10 times a game. I get that. But why not more shots from a bit nearer to the basket? Or real 3s if you want to take long-ranged shots. Those long 2s really piss me off. Not just in Kobe's case, of course. More like in the game of basketball, why do some players take so many long 2s, instead of 3s or mid-ranged shots? Kobe is mobile enough to get himself open nearer to the basket, it's not like he's Kyle Korver who can't lose the D as soon as he steps in nearer than 15 feet, feel me?
I dunno why. He feels confident about himself.
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bc he's a ball hog?
I would assume its mostly because defenses are designed to contain him on most nights.
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
hate? lol...
people just wanna know why the player "better than Jordan", doesn't have a better FG percentage, thats all. :P
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
hate? lol...
people just wanna know why the player "better than Jordan", doesn't have a better FG percentage, thats all. :P
LOL,whatever makes you feel better....but on the real the hate threads are way more pathetic. but by all means do you....
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
hate? lol...
people just wanna know why the player "better than Jordan", doesn't have a better FG percentage, thats all. :P
LOL,whatever makes you feel better....but on the real the hate threads are way more pathetic. but by all means do you....
i got no hate for Kobe, he's the best player in the NBA hands down...i love watchin' him play.
he gets FAR too much praise on this board, but what do you expect on a westcoast forum? :P
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he gets FAR too much praise on this board, but what do you expect on a westcoast forum? :P
word,exactly doggie +1
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he gets FAR too much praise on this board, but what do you expect on a westcoast forum? :P
word,exactly doggie +1
back at ya! ;)
+1
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
you're kidding right? seems like every other thread is a jump on kobe's balls festival.
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I was watching the game vs Dallas, and check out those stats.
Kobe's field goal %
0-5 FEET 4-6
6-10 FEET 2-2
11-15 FEET 1-1
15+ FEET 5-15
15+ FEET is the problem. I hope that answers your question.
Um, sample size a little small isn't?
It is, but still: Why in the fuck is he shooting so many long 2s? Can some Lakerfan who sees him all the time answer this? I understand why he is not going to the hoop, making contact, getting the call and the lay-up 10 times a game. I get that. But why not more shots from a bit nearer to the basket? Or real 3s if you want to take long-ranged shots. Those long 2s really piss me off. Not just in Kobe's case, of course. More like in the game of basketball, why do some players take so many long 2s, instead of 3s or mid-ranged shots? Kobe is mobile enough to get himself open nearer to the basket, it's not like he's Kyle Korver who can't lose the D as soon as he steps in nearer than 15 feet, feel me?
why are you questioning Kobe's game? if the formula works, stick to that shit...Jordan coulda' easily improved his field goal percentage by moving in a few steps closer and only shooting shots in or right around the paint, but he didn't. the more range you have, the lower your percentage will be. long-range shots are easier to creat space on than mid-to-short-range shots. Kobe takes perimeter shots from anywhere because he is good at knocking em down. Kobe is as confident in his 20 footer as he is in his 15 footer...how many times have you seen Kobe knock a fadeaway with a defender in his face from 30 feet? there's a reason he's the best on the planet...PeACe
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
you're kidding right? seems like every other thread is a jump on kobe's balls festival.
for every 1 praise thread, there's 2 hate ones...and kobe deserves more praise than hate.
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
you're kidding right? seems like every other thread is a jump on kobe's balls festival.
for every 1 praise thread, there's 2 hate ones...and kobe deserves more praise than hate.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that can be explained by the fact that he's just a completely unlikable guy in general.
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
you're kidding right? seems like every other thread is a jump on kobe's balls festival.
for every 1 praise thread, there's 2 hate ones...and kobe deserves more praise than hate.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that can be explained by the fact that he's just a completely unlikable guy in general.
= hating
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lol,the hate for kobe in this section is thick as fuck,almost comical
you're kidding right? seems like every other thread is a jump on kobe's balls festival.
for every 1 praise thread, there's 2 hate ones...and kobe deserves more praise than hate.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that can be explained by the fact that he's just a completely unlikable guy in general.
= hating
stating that Kobe is a hard guy to like isn't hating. He's arguably the best player the league has seen since Jordan (but make no mistake, he's not close to Jordan), nobody with a brain will make a case for anybody other than LeBron.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
to be honest i would have agreed with you a few years ago. but recently,to me at least he has matured and not only has become a team leader but a true MVP. sure he had all that shit before last season started,all the trade me and get rid of bynum shit. but did you hear anything negative once the season got started? he handled his biz and did him. every interview i see/read from any other laker is how he is a team player/leader. he's not the same Kobe. But positivity doesnt sell and people like living in the past.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
to be honest i would have agreed with you a few years ago. but recently,to me at least he has matured and not only has become a team leader but a true MVP. sure he had all that shit before last season started,all the trade me and get rid of bynum shit. but did you hear anything negative once the season got started? he handled his biz and did him. every interview i see/read from any other laker is how he is a team player/leader. he's not the same Kobe. But positivity doesnt sell and people like living in the past.
I'm not talking about what he does on court/in the locker room. Just the type of guy he is. That's what I meant by him being a hard guy to like. As far back as I can remember he's been that type of guy. I doubt he is much different if at all at his core than he's ever been. Of course I could be wrong but I would have to see it first.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
and hes only likeable if you got a LA Laker penis deeeeep down your throat lol.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
and hes only likeable if you got a LA Laker penis deeeeep down your throat lol.
you're indicating that only Laker nutriders like Kobe, which is false, shitstain.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
Cuz all nba players only fuck their wives, right?...LOL.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
to be honest i would have agreed with you a few years ago. but recently,to me at least he has matured and not only has become a team leader but a true MVP. sure he had all that shit before last season started,all the trade me and get rid of bynum shit. but did you hear anything negative once the season got started? he handled his biz and did him. every interview i see/read from any other laker is how he is a team player/leader. he's not the same Kobe. But positivity doesnt sell and people like living in the past.
I'm not talking about what he does on court/in the locker room. Just the type of guy he is. That's what I meant by him being a hard guy to like. As far back as I can remember he's been that type of guy. I doubt he is much different if at all at his core than he's ever been. Of course I could be wrong but I would have to see it first.
what kindve a person is he? kobes worked for everything he's achieved...what has he done for you to hate him? are you one of those hicks from Colorado?
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
and hes only likeable if you got a LA Laker penis deeeeep down your throat lol.
you're indicating that only Laker nutriders like Kobe, which is false, shitstain.
hes like by some others, but 90% of Kobe fans are Lakers fans lol...
he doesn't get much hate on this board; if you call this a "Kobe hate thread", your nuts. this guy clearly was just askin a question about Kobe. Kobe-love threads outnumber his hate threads five to one.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
to be honest i would have agreed with you a few years ago. but recently,to me at least he has matured and not only has become a team leader but a true MVP. sure he had all that shit before last season started,all the trade me and get rid of bynum shit. but did you hear anything negative once the season got started? he handled his biz and did him. every interview i see/read from any other laker is how he is a team player/leader. he's not the same Kobe. But positivity doesnt sell and people like living in the past.
I'm not talking about what he does on court/in the locker room. Just the type of guy he is. That's what I meant by him being a hard guy to like. As far back as I can remember he's been that type of guy. I doubt he is much different if at all at his core than he's ever been. Of course I could be wrong but I would have to see it first.
what kindve a person is he? kobes worked for everything he's achieved...what has he done for you to hate him? are you one of those hicks from Colorado?
I dont hate him. Just explaining why people tend to not much care for the guy as a person.
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he's only unlikeable if you hate on him = hater. it's that simple, sunny.
no, what I mean is, to borrow a term you use, he's a "digusting human being." A spoiled, selfish, egomaniacal rich boy dickhead. It doesn't take a hater to know that. Ask Vanessa.
Cuz all nba players only fuck their wives, right?...LOL.
I never said Kobe was the only one...
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HOW DOES SHAQ'S ASS TASTE? TO KOBE....