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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: DJ-AGE™ on January 22, 2009, 01:10:08 AM
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I was just curious the other day cause i was chillin and chatin wit a homie bout Snoop's Doggfather album etc....i know he was going through the whole case during that time but did anyone ever ask them selves why Suge didnt put any Pac on any of the tracks, apart from the outro....i mean they had so much material as today shows clearly cause Pac still droppin albums and then u had Daz have Pac on his shit....i wonder why they didnt put Pac on any of the songs....IMO it is an album i think Snoop would like to forget with alot a fans but i dont mind it cause Pooh was the shit wit production....anyway yall think that no Dre & No Pac made this album what it was & is Suge to blame being the exec........IMO DR never released shit that had poor production or raps but in Doggfather he let Snoop's flow fall off
Just a thought i had cross my mind i wanted to ask fans world wide??? damn i paid $45 for that CD when it dropped in the US and thats alot a cash for that era........
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I heard "2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted" was supposed to be on there.
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when it come down to it snoop is trash
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I think "Just Watchin" was supposed to be on album
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IMO DR never released shit that had poor production or raps but in Doggfather he let Snoop's flow fall off
I don't think Suge gave a fuck about Snoops flow as long as the cash kept flowing. When Dre left, Snoop didn't have a mentor to tell him what to do and what about The D.O.C, was he still on Death Row when Dre left? These 3 were tight packet in the studio, at least so I have understood it.
I remember Snoop saying something like Dre made him do his verses many times over on TBCT.
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
classic!!
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because they stopped getting along right around that time.
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because they stopped getting along right around that time.
Yup. They had a falling out a couple weeks or maybe less before Pac died. It started because Snoop was on the radio and said he was open to collaborate with Biggie. Pac took this personally because not only was Snoop not riding for him, he was willing to work with his enemy. I remember Pac talking about it in an interview and he also mentions being around when Dogg Poiund's trailer got shot up in that interview. Tried to find it but I couldn't.
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IMO DR never released shit that had poor production or raps but in Doggfather he let Snoop's flow fall off
I don't think Suge gave a fuck about Snoops flow as long as the cash kept flowing. When Dre left, Snoop didn't have a mentor to tell him what to do and what about The D.O.C, was he still on Death Row when Dre left? These 3 were tight packet in the studio, at least so I have understood it.
I remember Snoop saying something like Dre made him do his verses many times over on TBCT.
well i know Suge was also a main factor on how cats were rappin etc on they tracks from what ive read & seen in the past....yall think Suge was cashing in on Pac that Snoop didnt seem to be a number 1 priority wit out Dre there ?? cause everytime u heard Dre u heard Snoop cause they went hand in hand and i remember wishing the duo would hook back up and then No Limit Top Dogg came out and i was like CHEA!
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because they stopped getting along right around that time.
Yup. They had a falling out a couple weeks or maybe less before Pac died. It started because Snoop was on the radio and said he was open to collaborate with Biggie. Pac took this personally because not only was Snoop not riding for him, he was willing to work with his enemy. I remember Pac talking about it in an interview and he also mentions being around when Dogg Poiund's trailer got shot up in that interview. Tried to find it but I couldn't.
Yeah, I think that was actually Snoop who told that story. Both Snoop and the Outlawz have talked about them falling out, but also that 2pac took it too far and realized it. That when he recorded MAkaveli and gave a shout out to "Snoop Dogg the motherfuckin' Doggfather" all the Outlawz were real surprised he did that at the time considering the tension between them.
Snoop's said pretty consistently that he has no interest in putting out old records he did with Pac, and I think at the time he didn't want to capitalize on his death. He dedicated a page in the booklet to 2pac and threw that little outtro on there but clearly he didn't want to put the music out; there was no shortage of it and it was quality so probably just he feelings. Snoop seems like a stand up guy like that.
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
Is that shitty quality version still the only version that has been leaked ?
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
Is that shitty quality version still the only version that has been leaked ?
You mean the radio rip right? Nah, since then it has been a couple of versions available in nice quality and Phonkey Dee made a pretty good remaster on one of his 2Pac tapes...
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
Is that shitty quality version still the only version that has been leaked ?
You mean the radio rip right? Nah, since then it has been a couple of versions available in nice quality and Phonkey Dee made a pretty good remaster on one of his 2Pac tapes...
got a link ? 8)
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also he said he never wanted to make no money from a dead rapper, i think on a dubcnn interview he said this.
apperently i remember a guy on this site said snoop said in a interview that he has done many collabos with pac, 2 discs worth, is this true?
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I think most of the recording for the album took place after 2pac died. I think Snoop was having a really hard time coming up with material for the album. Then finally, he got in the studio with DJ Pooh and banged out a series of tracks that he was pleased with. I think the album was probably completed late September or early October, and then rushed out in mid November.
Also, I was watching Snoop's storytellers, and Snoop was crediting Pac for teaching him how to bang out songs more quickly. He said before he got to know Pac, that he used to just focus on one song at a time. But now if you notice, Snoop was the number 1 rapper in the world before he met Pac, and ever since he's been dope, but he hasn't been the best. I think early in his carear he was learning from Dre and taking his time and putting out a high quality with every record. After Pac he started rushing his work and the quality deteriorated.
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
Is that shitty quality version still the only version that has been leaked ?
You mean the radio rip right? Nah, since then it has been a couple of versions available in nice quality and Phonkey Dee made a pretty good remaster on one of his 2Pac tapes...
got a link ? 8)
Here's the best version I have- http://www.zshare.net/audio/54509334a3e3c184/
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because they stopped getting along right around that time.
Yes, but there was still material out there and collaborations were still coming out on other projects like the "Gridlock'd" soundtrack. The public really didn't even know there was an issue because Suge knew it would be bad for business. If you look at the interviews he did after Pac died when Snoop was still with the label and then compare them with when Snoop jumped to No Limit and started working with Dre again, Suge is telling a much different side of the story. I think if Suge wanted there to be Pac songs on Doggfather, beef or not, there would have been some on there.
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heres the best version. http://www.zshare.net/audio/5451230962c63c0f/
phonkey dee's version
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I think most of the recording for the album took place after 2pac died. I think Snoop was having a really hard time coming up with material for the album. Then finally, he got in the studio with DJ Pooh and banged out a series of tracks that he was pleased with. I think the album was probably completed late September or early October, and then rushed out in mid November.
Also, I was watching Snoop's storytellers, and Snoop was crediting Pac for teaching him how to bang out songs more quickly. He said before he got to know Pac, that he used to just focus on one song at a time. But now if you notice, Snoop was the number 1 rapper in the world before he met Pac, and ever since he's been dope, but he hasn't been the best. I think early in his carear he was learning from Dre and taking his time and putting out a high quality with every record. After Pac he started rushing his work and the quality deteriorated.
Hmm...interesting outlook. You're probably right.
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IMO DR never released shit that had poor production or raps but in Doggfather he let Snoop's flow fall off
I don't think Suge gave a fuck about Snoops flow as long as the cash kept flowing. When Dre left, Snoop didn't have a mentor to tell him what to do and what about The D.O.C, was he still on Death Row when Dre left? These 3 were tight packet in the studio, at least so I have understood it.
I remember Snoop saying something like Dre made him do his verses many times over on TBCT.
yeh i see what you are sayin but i dont think someone needs dre (or someone) that if you have pac on your album it will sell more.
threadstarter: this is what i wondered about since doggystyle dropped.
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Here's the best version I have- http://www.zshare.net/audio/54509334a3e3c184/
heres the best version. http://www.zshare.net/audio/5451230962c63c0f/
phonkey dee's version
Props to the Mutha Fuccin Homies! 8)
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also he said he never wanted to make no money from a dead rapper, i think on a dubcnn interview he said this.
apperently i remember a guy on this site said snoop said in a interview that he has done many collabos with pac, 2 discs worth, is this true?
lol, than snoop should give it out for free ;D
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Shame they didn't put out "Street Life" on there - that record is THE SHIT 8)!
Is that shitty quality version still the only version that has been leaked ?
You mean the radio rip right? Nah, since then it has been a couple of versions available in nice quality and Phonkey Dee made a pretty good remaster on one of his 2Pac tapes...
They're all different qualities of the radio rip.
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as stated before, Snoop said he liked Biggie's music & Tupac took it personally.
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I heard that after pac died, Snoop went up and seen Afeni Shakur, and he was upset, 'cause they had tension at that time, but Afeni was like, no, he loved you. Just like family, have a little beef, but deep down he liked Snoop.
Whats the track where Pac goes 'Snoop the mf Doggfather'?
But all in all I respect the fact that Snoop has made a decision not to put out old pac collabos....thats why I hate when other people remix his tracks....especially people who he really didn't like for E.G. Thug Mansion with Nas etc. Or that Elton John track.
Snoop said the only way he would put out old material is if Afeni gave the stamp of approval and wanted him to release it.
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Or if the new owners of Death Row release it because they dont need Snoop's permission ;D (I don't know if that's the case though, they definitely gotta clear it through Amaru)
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I think Snoop wants to show respect for Pac also then by not droppin any of their music they may have done cause the haters would then be like Snoop making money of Pac when they was beefin a lil before he died etc....on that note also i think Snoop also doesnt want to be like Suge by cashin in on Pac and IMO Snoop took alot a business game from Master P more than Suge..........
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By the way. There's another factor in all this, I don't think Snoop was the type to be like, "ohhh please, I need 2pac on one of the songs for my album". Because Snoop does have a little bit of an ego, and there was some competition there. And at the time Snoop was still arguably one of the top or THE top rapper in the world so I think he wanted to put out his own shit and show he could do it without Dre and that he didn't need a track with Pac either.
...then the album didn't come out as hott as his earlier work, and a few years later he wised up some and finally hooked up with Dre for the Top Dogg album and started to find himself again.
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when it come down to it snoop is trash
I agree. snoop was pretty dope while workin with dre but overall his shit is boring as fuck. he has very plain ryhmes. . .
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If only "Doggumentary" had dropped on 97 we would have the CDQ version long time ago... >:(
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U have a version of doggumeNtory?
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U have a version of doggumeNtory?
Well, today everybody has it cause all of the songs that was supposed to be on there have been leaked... It was only a 8-track EP
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i saw a iinterview where suge said ' 2pac didn't like snoop or dre thats why you didnt see 2pac on snoops album'
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Here's the best version I have- http://www.zshare.net/audio/54509334a3e3c184/
heres the best version. http://www.zshare.net/audio/5451230962c63c0f/
phonkey dee's version
Props to the Mutha Fuccin Homies! 8)
+1. Never heard this, tight song!
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U have a version of doggumeNtory?
Well, today everybody has it cause all of the songs that was supposed to be on there have been leaked... It was only a 8-track EP
Damn any chance of a hook up?
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I think snoop was jealous of pac.
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i saw a iinterview where suge said ' 2pac didn't like snoop or dre thats why you didnt see 2pac on snoops album'
Could be some truth, but Suge fabricates so much. They did have a falling out as was stated before, but Suge is a major role in all the tension that went on back in the day.
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Damn Age, why'd you have to pay $45 for Tha Doggfather when it dropped?!?!?
I remember having that shit on pre-order at Sam Goody. Came with a free Doggfather sticker hahaha.....but in total I only paid like $12 I believe.
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I heard that after pac died, Snoop went up and seen Afeni Shakur, and he was upset, 'cause they had tension at that time, but Afeni was like, no, he loved you. Just like family, have a little beef, but deep down he liked Snoop.
Whats the track where Pac goes 'Snoop the mf Doggfather'?
But all in all I respect the fact that Snoop has made a decision not to put out old pac collabos....thats why I hate when other people remix his tracks....especially people who he really didn't like for E.G. Thug Mansion with Nas etc. Or that Elton John track.
Snoop said the only way he would put out old material is if Afeni gave the stamp of approval and wanted him to release it.
Think it might have been in the intro to Toss it Up on The 7 Day Theory.
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Snoop was very humble at the time and knew he didn't need Pac on his album. plus they were beefing a bit. Snoop also had his murder trial he was dealing with so everything was rushed.