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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: slickrik2002 on March 26, 2009, 09:28:56 PM
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i posted this in the crooked i forum and this is only intended for crooked i fans on dubcnn, if you don't really care for him then its all good and maybe you can agree with me that most crooked i fans are either cheap as fuck or really don't care about having one of his cd's(hip hop weeklys are cool but come on now)
......go buy that crooked i bootleg on FTP. all of you call yourselves crooked i fans and have been bitching about no cd coming out so why the fuck wouldn't you go and buy somethin when it's actually available?
i know it's probably not the true tracklisting but honestly, at this point do you think there was ever a confirmed official tracklisting to any of his albums?
this post will probably rub a lot of you the wrong way but the fact that there are only 10 crooked i fans that are willing to buy that cd on FTP is ridiculous to me. there might be some negativity with that site but i've purchased 3 cd's from them and it's always been delivered.
i have no affiliation with FTP and honestly don't give a flyin fuck about them, just someone who wants to hear a Crooked I cd that Crook has not given us. of course i'll buy whatever album he eventually puts out and happy to give my money to support him but that's not gonna stop me from buyin Say Hi To the Bad Guy
take one for the fuckin team and buy the cd so we can all finally hear this music. otherwise, keep playin the waiting game we've all been so good at for 10 years and settle for a damn Hood Stars sample on April 18th from wideawake
again i'm just a Crooked I fan who really wants to hear this cd, that australian fag will probably group me in his conspiracy theory tho
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dont worry about that aussie fag clint dogg he gets banned everytime he joins here cause dubcnn dont allow mark ass bustaz here
support ftp's crooked i album ya'l cause its the only album were ever goin to get, and plus ftp will continue to drop more unheard albums then too
www.forthepeopleent.com
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Why support it? If you're gonna charge me a price that is above reasonable and then make me wait until other people buy the project, it's not worth it. I'm not supporting anyone who runs business that way. The customer isn't responsible for bringing in your business. You are. If you are charging someone $20 for music, they should gtet what they pay for. Not have to wait around for you to collect a profit before you ship the thing or be treated like a theif who is going to bootleg it and take away your business. The bottom line is if I don't agree with someone's business practices or the way they treat their customer, I am not going to buy anything from them. I don't care how good the product is. And how am I any less of a Crooked I fan because I don't want to buy a bootleg he isn't making any money off of anyway?
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he is not worthy enough to spend my hard earned money on
id rather buy the new UGK, Project Pat, or a Nipsey Hussle mixtape
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i posted this in the crooked i forum and this is only intended for crooked i fans on dubcnn, if you don't really care for him then its all good and maybe you can agree with me that most crooked i fans are either cheap as fuck or really don't care about having one of his cd's(hip hop weeklys are cool but come on now)
......go buy that crooked i bootleg on FTP. all of you call yourselves crooked i fans and have been bitching about no cd coming out so why the fuck wouldn't you go and buy somethin when it's actually available?
i know it's probably not the true tracklisting but honestly, at this point do you think there was ever a confirmed official tracklisting to any of his albums?
this post will probably rub a lot of you the wrong way but the fact that there are only 10 crooked i fans that are willing to buy that cd on FTP is ridiculous to me. there might be some negativity with that site but i've purchased 3 cd's from them and it's always been delivered.
i have no affiliation with FTP and honestly don't give a flyin fuck about them, just someone who wants to hear a Crooked I cd that Crook has not given us. of course i'll buy whatever album he eventually puts out and happy to give my money to support him but that's not gonna stop me from buyin Say Hi To the Bad Guy
take one for the fuckin team and buy the cd so we can all finally hear this music. otherwise, keep playin the waiting game we've all been so good at for 10 years and settle for a damn Hood Stars sample on April 18th from wideawake
again i'm just a Crooked I fan who really wants to hear this cd, that australian fag will probably group me in his conspiracy theory tho
Dude...trust me, I understand where you're coming from. I want to hear this is as much as anyone. But how many times do I have to buy this project from them? I bought it once, they returned my money and didn't give me the project.
Okay...now if they had had good reason for it, I would have understood. But the reason they gave was too much "hating." Hating? How? I was on the FTP forums when they were selling the cd and there wasn't a negative word spoken. It wasn't like when Los Skanless was selling his project, and there ended up being all this bickering back and forth. When FTP put their's up for sale, there really wasn't all that much feedback positive or negative, but what they did receive was positive. They had no reason to cancel this project, other than Los Skanless cancelled his, and they knew they could sit on the material a while longer.
The only reason they're selling this shit now, is because they know Wideawake is going to be watching what's going on bootleg-wise, before too long, so time's running out.
Now for anyone else out there who wants to sell this, holler at me. I would be happy to buy this, and I'll pay more than what FTP are asking for theirs. But at this point, the only way I'll buy from them is if they put it up for actual order rather than pre-order, and they send out download links.
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Its really frustrating. I wish these fuckers never started this whole "we have Crooked I's cd for sale" shit in the first place. But now its on all of our minds and we still can't get it.
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Its really frustrating. I wish these fuckers never started this whole "we have Crooked I's cd for sale" shit in the first place. But now its on all of our minds and we still can't get it.
Yeah. And four sets of snippets later, the bullshit continues.
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People have obviously been sitting on this material (plus other DR shit) for years now, and the fact all these shady pre-order releases are coming to the fore now means we'll see this stuff legitimately through wideawake.
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People have obviously been sitting on this material (plus other DR shit) for years now, and the fact all these shady pre-order releases are coming to the fore now means we'll see this stuff legitimately through wideawake.
Yeah. The pre-order stuff is getting really old. People don't move money in and out of their paypal accounts for their health. And I don't know about everyone else, but when I complete my end of a business transaction, I expect the other party to be responsible enough to hold up their end. I realize that some of the people doing these pre-order projects have good intentions, but there are others like the people mentioned in this thread who are using some pretty shady business practices.
As Jimmy H. said, the burden should be on them to convince the customer to buy, not the other way around. If they've only sold 10 copies, that's their fault. I'm sure they had taken more than 10 pre-orders the first time it was offered. But let's take a look at how they handled this case specifically:
1. They misled people about what tracks where in their posession.
2. After taking orders, they canceled the project without good reason. (phantom hating)
3. They put the project back up for sale and raised the price.
4. They dumped the download link option, thusly making things more inconvenient for the customer.
5. And my personal favorite: they insulted the customer when they canceled the project the first time. Anybody else remember that little extra bit of arrogance in that last message on their website "we've been sitting on these tracks for 7 years...maybe we'll just hold onto them another 7 years." (paraphrased) What kind of business acts like this? That's basically saying "yeah, we lied about not being able to put these tracks out-we could have. But now, we're not going to put them out again and it's all everyone else's fault, so we're punishing you."
These people have a lot to learn about how to run a business. If you act like a total Cock-Smack, you don 't get to get a bent out of shape about not selling enough of what you're pushing.
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Its really frustrating. I wish these fuckers never started this whole "we have Crooked I's cd for sale" shit in the first place. But now its on all of our minds and we still can't get it.
That's really the underlying problem right here. We always knew SOMEONE had this material, that's no secret, but waiving it around in the fans faces the way they all have done just sucks.
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Its really frustrating. I wish these fuckers never started this whole "we have Crooked I's cd for sale" shit in the first place. But now its on all of our minds and we still can't get it.
That's really the underlying problem right here. We always knew SOMEONE had this material, that's no secret, but waiving it around in the fans faces the way they all have done just sucks.
See, but that's part of their whole plan to try to make you feel like shit for them not getting enough orders. That's their way of saying "here's what you don't get to hear...nahnahnabooboo." Mature, right?
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Yeah. The pre-order stuff is getting really old. People don't move money in and out of their paypal accounts for their health. And I don't know about everyone else, but when I complete my end of a business transaction, I expect the other party to be responsible enough to hold up their end. I realize that some of the people doing these pre-order projects have good intentions, but there are others like the people mentioned in this thread who are using some pretty shady business practices.
As Jimmy H. said, the burden should be on them to convince the customer to buy, not the other way around. If they've only sold 10 copies, that's their fault. I'm sure they had taken more than 10 pre-orders the first time it was offered. But let's take a look at how they handled this case specifically:
1. They misled people about what tracks where in their posession.
2. After taking orders, they canceled the project without good reason. (phantom hating)
3. They put the project back up for sale and raised the price.
4. They dumped the download link option, thusly making things more inconvenient for the customer.
5. And my personal favorite: they insulted the customer when they canceled the project the first time. Anybody else remember that little extra bit of arrogance in that last message on their website "we've been sitting on these tracks for 7 years...maybe we'll just hold onto them another 7 years." (paraphrased) What kind of business acts like this? That's basically saying "yeah, we lied about not being able to put these tracks out-we could have. But now, we're not going to put them out again and it's all everyone else's fault, so we're punishing you."
These people have a lot to learn about how to run a business. If you act like a total Cock-Smack, you don 't get to get a bent out of shape about not selling enough of what you're pushing.
Exactly. To my understanding, they are just selling CD-R's. I'm not sure what their asking price is on these projects but I'm gonna assume it's somewhere in the neighborhood north of $25. If I recall correctly, they were charging something like $35 for the OFTB project when that came out. That's a $30+ mark-up on what is esentially two dollars worth of labor and materials and that's probably being about a $1.50 generous. I'm not gonna bitch about bootlegging. If someone has rare music or a DVD of a movie that isn't commercially available and someone wants to buy it then it's not a huge problem with me. I've bought bootlegs before. It's when you look at the customer like a sucker that things get fucked up. $35-$50 is a price that says "There's a lot of Death Row groupies out there that will pay this." They aren't selling a rare collectible that will appreciate in value. They are selling a fucking CD-R that will pretty much be worthless if the rightful owners ever press up real ones. You're gonna pay something like four times the amonut of what an actual retail CD goes for, for a product that doesn't even look authentic.
And save it with "all you people do is bitch" talk. Yes, people want rare Death Row and Crooked I projects but nobody with any sense at all should be jumping through hoops for something that they are PAYING for. Have respect for the dollar. You get business that way. If you advertise something and someone pays for it, give them what they paid for. If there's a problem with the order, fix it. It's the same shit I told Shonuff and it's the EXACT reason I'd never fuck with him (and he actually has a product I'd be interested in), the customer doesn't have to be grateful. You're not doing me a favor by selling me a CD for $12, anymore than Wal-Mart is doing me a favor by selling me a bag of Doritos for a cheaper price than the gas station down the street. I'd rather have none of these rare projects at all than have to go through a headache in trying to order them. No point in paying to be inconvienced.
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Yeah. The pre-order stuff is getting really old. People don't move money in and out of their paypal accounts for their health. And I don't know about everyone else, but when I complete my end of a business transaction, I expect the other party to be responsible enough to hold up their end. I realize that some of the people doing these pre-order projects have good intentions, but there are others like the people mentioned in this thread who are using some pretty shady business practices.
As Jimmy H. said, the burden should be on them to convince the customer to buy, not the other way around. If they've only sold 10 copies, that's their fault. I'm sure they had taken more than 10 pre-orders the first time it was offered. But let's take a look at how they handled this case specifically:
1. They misled people about what tracks where in their posession.
2. After taking orders, they canceled the project without good reason. (phantom hating)
3. They put the project back up for sale and raised the price.
4. They dumped the download link option, thusly making things more inconvenient for the customer.
5. And my personal favorite: they insulted the customer when they canceled the project the first time. Anybody else remember that little extra bit of arrogance in that last message on their website "we've been sitting on these tracks for 7 years...maybe we'll just hold onto them another 7 years." (paraphrased) What kind of business acts like this? That's basically saying "yeah, we lied about not being able to put these tracks out-we could have. But now, we're not going to put them out again and it's all everyone else's fault, so we're punishing you."
These people have a lot to learn about how to run a business. If you act like a total Cock-Smack, you don 't get to get a bent out of shape about not selling enough of what you're pushing.
Exactly. To my understanding, they are just selling CD-R's. I'm not sure what their asking price is on these projects but I'm gonna assume it's somewhere in the neighborhood north of $25. If I recall correctly, they were charging something like $35 for the OFTB project when that came out. That's a $30+ mark-up on what is esentially two dollars worth of labor and materials and that's probably being about a $1.50 generous. I'm not gonna bitch about bootlegging. If someone has rare music or a DVD of a movie that isn't commercially available and someone wants to buy it then it's not a huge problem with me. I've bought bootlegs before. It's when you look at the customer like a sucker that things get fucked up. $35-$50 is a price that says "There's a lot of Death Row groupies out there that will pay this." They aren't selling a rare collectible that will appreciate in value. They are selling a fucking CD-R that will pretty much be worthless if the rightful owners ever press up real ones. You're gonna pay something like four times the amonut of what an actual retail CD goes for, for a product that doesn't even look authentic.
And save it with "all you people do is bitch" talk. Yes, people want rare Death Row and Crooked I projects but nobody with any sense at all should be jumping through hoops for something that they are PAYING for. Have respect for the dollar. You get business that way. If you advertise something and someone pays for it, give them what they paid for. If there's a problem with the order, fix it. It's the same shit I told Shonuff and it's the EXACT reason I'd never fuck with him (and he actually has a product I'd be interested in), the customer doesn't have to be grateful. You're not doing me a favor by selling me a CD for $12, anymore than Wal-Mart is doing me a favor by selling me a bag of Doritos for a cheaper price than the gas station down the street. I'd rather have none of these rare projects at all than have to go through a headache in trying to order them. No point in paying to be inconvienced.
From what I understand from reading around other forums, they are asking $25.00 each for this cd. ($20.00 plus $5.00 shipping) Personally, I don't have too big of a problem with the price. But, that being said, it is more than twice as much as they were asking when it was offered the first time. And while I realize that this project does include more songs than the first one, that still doesn't justify how they handled their first Crooked I project.
If they wanted to do right by people, they still would have sent out download links for the first project, to the people who had already purchased it. If it was just a matter of them waiting until they found all of the tracks that they knew were in their possesion, they still could have offered this project later. If they had chosen to handle it that way, I would have bought two Crooked I projects from them instead of none, and I would have been happy to do so.
But as it stands now, I would rather pay someone else much more money for this material than give them the satisfaction of getting any of my money. So anyone out their who wants to sell this (who's not FTP) holler at me. Or FTP, if you want to make this right and send me what I paid for, then I'll consider dealing with you in the future. But you're right Jimmy H., people have no respect for the value of a dollar anymore. And while it might be a little thing to them, I'm still not giving them my business. So instead of selling at least 11 cds, right now they're still stuck at only having sold 10.
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I guess it's to each his own but $30 is way too much for a CD especially if it's a CD-R. We're talking about them spending less than a $1 for a CD-R, maybe a $1 for a bubble envelope, less than $2 for shipping, and PayPal will probably take a dollar and change as a fee for an order that's over $25. It seems a bit counterproductive. Yes, you are getting orders from those people but if they handled their business properly, who could tell how much profit they could make? You'll make maybe $250 off ten or twelve people and then you'll be done. Better off to sell it to hundreds of people at a reasonable price then to sell it to a couple dozen at an expensive one. Something for these bootleggers to consider. But like we've both said, price is just one thing. Dealing with the customer is another. Nobody wants to deal with a difficult asshole. There are actually people who will pay more to go to places and shop where they are treated right. It goes the same for Internet business. If you show people a little respect, it will go a long way.
That's what's really funny to me about the people that "support" this operation. They're making a $25 profit off you and it seems to me like they are dictating to you. If y'all exercised some self-control, they wouldn't be able to do this. Make them earn your dollar. If they aren't gonna respect you, don't buy their shit. Leave them with some unreleased shit and a stack of blank CD-R's.
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
It's not just the money though, man. It's about the quality of service. I'd give $100 for the damn thing, if I was guaranteed to actually receive the album. I haven't always had bad experiences with FTP. I supported everything they put out between the first O.F.T.B. through J-Flexx. But after that last O.F.T.B. and their first attempt at a Crooked I release, I feel like they owe me. And I'm not dealing with them until the make it right.
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shit i bought a cheeseburger the other day from mcdonalds that wasn't too good but that's not gonna stop me from goin next time i want a cheeseburger
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shit i bought a cheeseburger the other day from mcdonalds that wasn't too good but that's not gonna stop me from goin next time i want a cheeseburger
Lol. That's actually pretty funny. I appreciate the analogy. But the thing is, if people keep letting them get away with sub-par service, these projects are going to continue to suffer. Don't you think that if you buy a project like this, the seller should be held responsible for whether or not you receive the project? I'm guessing you've purchased this Crooked I project. You'll probably be pretty upset if they don't deliver, won't you? I'm just saying that if they want to sell these projects, they should have to deliver.
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yeah but looks like they have found some long time crooked fans who are willin to pay for anything for a crooked project
therefore they get the money first, and they think if or when they keep the money and dont "deliver" the project you paid for, YOU WONT BE MAD
shit i bought a cheeseburger the other day from mcdonalds that wasn't too good but that's not gonna stop me from goin next time i want a cheeseburger
Lol. That's actually pretty funny. I appreciate the analogy. But the thing is, if people keep letting them get away with sub-par service, these projects are going to continue to suffer. Don't you think that if you buy a project like this, the seller should be held responsible for whether or not you receive the project? I'm guessing you've purchased this Crooked I project. You'll probably be pretty upset if they don't deliver, won't you? I'm just saying that if they want to sell these projects, they should have to deliver.
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yeah but looks like they have found some long time crooked fans who are willin to pay for anything for a crooked project
therefore they get the money first, and they think if or when they keep the money and dont "deliver" the project you paid for, YOU WONT BE MAD
LOL. Yeah, that probably is what they're thinking. But from what I understand they've only got about 10 orders for their Crooked I album, this time around. I think it's pretty obvious that quite a few people are still pretty pissed from last time.
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yeah but see they are and were smart
they got a hold of some unreleased crooked material
leaked that as their proof, and their backup so they can say well we aint lyin, so drop the funds and well ship this out
so i mean looks like thats how they got fans in
and by the looks of it, they will continute to do so
and all along either them or someone will leak this
yeah but looks like they have found some long time crooked fans who are willin to pay for anything for a crooked project
therefore they get the money first, and they think if or when they keep the money and dont "deliver" the project you paid for, YOU WONT BE MAD
LOL. Yeah, that probably is what they're thinking. But from what I understand they've only got about 10 orders for their Crooked I album, this time around. I think it's pretty obvious that quite a few people are still pretty pissed from last time.
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yeah but see they are and were smart
they got a hold of some unreleased crooked material
leaked that as their proof, and their backup so they can say well we aint lyin, so drop the funds and well ship this out
so i mean looks like thats how they got fans in
and by the looks of it, they will continute to do so
and all along either them or someone will leak this
About the only thing they've done right is that they know they have something people want. Other than that, they've completely mishandled this. They've taken a project that nearly everyone wanted, and alienated people to the point that now they only have a handful of buyers. And yeah, they can hang on to the material if they want. But the thing is, the value of these tracks is dropping rather than going up. A few of the songs have leaked; another one is coming out next month; and Wideawake putting out the entire thing is inevitable. Their time is running out.
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
$25 isn't a lot of money in the frame of things but it's a lot to spend on a CD-R that someone burned off their computer.
And if we're gonna take it to "cheeseburger" analogies, I'd say it would be like buying a cheeseburger for $10 that someone made at their house and just wrapped up in a napkin. You had to buy 14 other kinds of foods off their menu that were all overpriced but now you've spent your money and it's finally yours.... Once thirty other people also buy burgers.
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haha damn jimmy is a boss
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
$25 isn't a lot of money in the frame of things but it's a lot to spend on a CD-R that someone burned off their computer.
And if we're gonna take it to "cheeseburger" analogies, I'd say it would be like buying a cheeseburger for $10 that someone made at their house and just wrapped up in a napkin. You had to buy 14 other kinds of foods off their menu that were all overpriced but now you've spent your money and it's finally yours.... Once thirty other people also buy burgers.
lol.
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
$25 isn't a lot of money in the frame of things but it's a lot to spend on a CD-R that someone burned off their computer.
And if we're gonna take it to "cheeseburger" analogies, I'd say it would be like buying a cheeseburger for $10 that someone made at their house and just wrapped up in a napkin. You had to buy 14 other kinds of foods off their menu that were all overpriced but now you've spent your money and it's finally yours.... Once thirty other people also buy burgers.
haha damn i guess i just dont think about this as much as you do....all of you make decent points but obviously i dont share the same hatred for the people selling the bootleg as you do. i get the idea that its bullshit that the release isn't guaranteed but how is that any inconveniance to you aside from taking 5 minutes to make the purchase? the money isn't lost....yeah i guess i'll be dissapointed if it doesn't go through but at least i'll know that i made the effort for it to see the light of today rather than tomorrow or 2010 or whatever.
$25 fellas....if they get 100 orders they'll have 2,500 minus any costs if any....the fact that they've been sitting on somethin like this for so long and only manage to get 2500 is insult enough. i woulda been on the streets gettin at it....but thats beside the point
$25
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damn i didn't know $25 was so much to all of you. i'm not tryin to say how much i got but i'm sure you spend well over 20 bucks on the weekends when your gettin fucked up. i know its a recession but c'mon $25?? if its not a big deal for you to listen to the music then thats understandable but if its a $$ issue then you're either cheap or broke and if you're broke then i feel bad
ha i bet a lot of money that we all spend on random shit eventually goes to assholes we wouldn't like so i'm not gonna be picky about who's on the other end of this product
$25 isn't a lot of money in the frame of things but it's a lot to spend on a CD-R that someone burned off their computer.
And if we're gonna take it to "cheeseburger" analogies, I'd say it would be like buying a cheeseburger for $10 that someone made at their house and just wrapped up in a napkin. You had to buy 14 other kinds of foods off their menu that were all overpriced but now you've spent your money and it's finally yours.... Once thirty other people also buy burgers.
haha damn i guess i just dont think about this as much as you do....all of you make decent points but obviously i dont share the same hatred for the people selling the bootleg as you do. i get the idea that its bullshit that the release isn't guaranteed but how is that any inconveniance to you aside from taking 5 minutes to make the purchase? the money isn't lost....yeah i guess i'll be dissapointed if it doesn't go through but at least i'll know that i made the effort for it to see the light of today rather than tomorrow or 2010 or whatever.
$25 fellas....if they get 100 orders they'll have 2,500 minus any costs if any....the fact that they've been sitting on somethin like this for so long and only manage to get 2500 is insult enough. i woulda been on the streets gettin at it....but thats beside the point
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Since they're putting out physical copies there would be some cost, but it would be minimal. If they want to cut their cost even more, they should just change it to a digital download. Then there wouldn't be any cost. And since it's all found material (they didn't have to pay anything to produce it or obtain it), I really don't understand their thinking that they have to hit a "grand slam" with this thing. And while I appreciate your trying to be proactive about getting this released, they still haven't guaranteed you anything. I have already pre-ordered two different Crooked I projects that were cancelled, and so far have nothing to show for my trouble. If someone who is serious about selling this project wants to contact me, I'll be happy to buy. But I'm not wasting more of my time with FTP's latest Dog and Pony Show.
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haha damn i guess i just dont think about this as much as you do....all of you make decent points but obviously i dont share the same hatred for the people selling the bootleg as you do. i get the idea that its bullshit that the release isn't guaranteed but how is that any inconveniance to you aside from taking 5 minutes to make the purchase? the money isn't lost....yeah i guess i'll be dissapointed if it doesn't go through but at least i'll know that i made the effort for it to see the light of today rather than tomorrow or 2010 or whatever.
$25 fellas....if they get 100 orders they'll have 2,500 minus any costs if any....the fact that they've been sitting on somethin like this for so long and only manage to get 2500 is insult enough. i woulda been on the streets gettin at it....but thats beside the point
$25
I don't have any hatred in my heart for these guys whatsoever. Like I said if people wanna buy the project that is more power to them but let's call this for what it is. This thread was started, calling out people for not supporting the project when there are some very valid points not to. The project, in my opinion, isn't anywhere near reasonably priced. Beyond that, the business is very questionable.
If they don't have enough customers, perhaps they should change something about how they are doing business. If you have $25 to blow on a CD-R, that's your business but don't try to bait others into following you down that line by accusing them of being "cheap". I wouldn't spend $14 on a Pepsi either. It's not because I'm too cheap to afford the $14, it's because I know how much a Pepsi is worth. I'm no more mad at the person trying to sell it than he should be at me for recognizing his hustle and choosing not to purchase.
It's not an emotional investment with me. I've never bought a thing from them so how could I be mad at them? If you look at the situation from an objective perspective, it's pretty clear that they need to make some changes if they want to raise the projected amount of money. Having the 10 people who did buy the CD flood other forums asking people to cough up the money so they can get theirs isn't the answer. I don't have the Crooked I album at my house so I have no say in you getting it. I cough up the $25 and I get to sit around and play the waiting game with the rest of you. No thank you. Talk to the people with your money. That's on them.
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if i was going to get the CD right away, i would pay the $25 now
im not spending money on a cd then having to wait for pre-orders to get up before i actually get the cd
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haha damn i guess i just dont think about this as much as you do....all of you make decent points but obviously i dont share the same hatred for the people selling the bootleg as you do. i get the idea that its bullshit that the release isn't guaranteed but how is that any inconveniance to you aside from taking 5 minutes to make the purchase? the money isn't lost....yeah i guess i'll be dissapointed if it doesn't go through but at least i'll know that i made the effort for it to see the light of today rather than tomorrow or 2010 or whatever.
$25 fellas....if they get 100 orders they'll have 2,500 minus any costs if any....the fact that they've been sitting on somethin like this for so long and only manage to get 2500 is insult enough. i woulda been on the streets gettin at it....but thats beside the point
$25
I don't have any hatred in my heart for these guys whatsoever. Like I said if people wanna buy the project that is more power to them but let's call this for what it is. This thread was started, calling out people for not supporting the project when there are some very valid points not to. The project, in my opinion, isn't anywhere near reasonably priced. Beyond that, the business is very questionable.
If they don't have enough customers, perhaps they should change something about how they are doing business. If you have $25 to blow on a CD-R, that's your business but don't try to bait others into following you down that line by accusing them of being "cheap". I wouldn't spend $14 on a Pepsi either. It's not because I'm too cheap to afford the $14, it's because I know how much a Pepsi is worth. I'm no more mad at the person trying to sell it than he should be at me for recognizing his hustle and choosing not to purchase.
It's not an emotional investment with me. I've never bought a thing from them so how could I be mad at them? If you look at the situation from an objective perspective, it's pretty clear that they need to make some changes if they want to raise the projected amount of money. Having the 10 people who did buy the CD flood other forums asking people to cough up the money so they can get theirs isn't the answer. I don't have the Crooked I album at my house so I have no say in you getting it. I cough up the $25 and I get to sit around and play the waiting game with the rest of you. No thank you. Talk to the people with your money. That's on them.
investment? jesus christ, thats why i would say you're cheap. i'm done with trying to understand where your comin from. if you're just really smart with your money then okay, but if you ever spend more than $25 on a bitch then damn!
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haha damn i guess i just dont think about this as much as you do....all of you make decent points but obviously i dont share the same hatred for the people selling the bootleg as you do. i get the idea that its bullshit that the release isn't guaranteed but how is that any inconveniance to you aside from taking 5 minutes to make the purchase? the money isn't lost....yeah i guess i'll be dissapointed if it doesn't go through but at least i'll know that i made the effort for it to see the light of today rather than tomorrow or 2010 or whatever.
$25 fellas....if they get 100 orders they'll have 2,500 minus any costs if any....the fact that they've been sitting on somethin like this for so long and only manage to get 2500 is insult enough. i woulda been on the streets gettin at it....but thats beside the point
$25
I don't have any hatred in my heart for these guys whatsoever. Like I said if people wanna buy the project that is more power to them but let's call this for what it is. This thread was started, calling out people for not supporting the project when there are some very valid points not to. The project, in my opinion, isn't anywhere near reasonably priced. Beyond that, the business is very questionable.
If they don't have enough customers, perhaps they should change something about how they are doing business. If you have $25 to blow on a CD-R, that's your business but don't try to bait others into following you down that line by accusing them of being "cheap". I wouldn't spend $14 on a Pepsi either. It's not because I'm too cheap to afford the $14, it's because I know how much a Pepsi is worth. I'm no more mad at the person trying to sell it than he should be at me for recognizing his hustle and choosing not to purchase.
It's not an emotional investment with me. I've never bought a thing from them so how could I be mad at them? If you look at the situation from an objective perspective, it's pretty clear that they need to make some changes if they want to raise the projected amount of money. Having the 10 people who did buy the CD flood other forums asking people to cough up the money so they can get theirs isn't the answer. I don't have the Crooked I album at my house so I have no say in you getting it. I cough up the $25 and I get to sit around and play the waiting game with the rest of you. No thank you. Talk to the people with your money. That's on them.
That's exactly right. But again, it goes back to arrogance. They feel like they're doing everyone a favor by putting it up for sale. It hasn't even occurred to them that people buying the product might be an equally integral part of this equation. Look, if these people weren't grossly incompetent, this material would have been on the internet two weeks ago. Their unwillingness to make any concessions to the original buyers fully proves how poorly they understand even rudimentary business practices.
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investment? jesus christ, thats why i would say you're cheap. i'm done with trying to understand where your comin from. if you're just really smart with your money then okay, but if you ever spend more than $25 on a bitch then damn!
I said I didn't have an "emotional investment". Meaning I have no personal feelings about the people who sell this one way or the other. Was that terminology really that difficult to follow? Like I said, nobody is telling you that you can't buy as many of these Crooked I CD's as you want. Buy all 100 yourself and give them to your friends as birthday/X-mas gifts for all I care. All I'm getting at is you shouldn't hold other people responsible for you not getting your CD when we have no say in that.
If you can't understand where I'm coming from when I say I don't want to spend twenty-five dollars to buy something that I have to wait for 89 more people to buy before I receive then maybe you're right to give up. I have spent $25 at bars. I do spent $25 on women. However, I've never gone to a bar where I've ordered a $25 drink and they told me, "You can't have it until you go outside and get 90 other people to come in here and buy the same drink." If any bar had the policy, you'd better believe I wouldn't be drinking there. I shouldn't have to bother other people to buy something so I can get what I've already paid for. It sounds like you paid for this, realized they only had 10% of the customers they needed and are now mad because you have to wait for the other 90% which at this rate sounds like it might take awhile. That's a rough break but like I said, you're mad at the wrong people.
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investment? jesus christ, thats why i would say you're cheap. i'm done with trying to understand where your comin from. if you're just really smart with your money then okay, but if you ever spend more than $25 on a bitch then damn!
I said I didn't have an "emotional investment". Meaning I have no personal feelings about the people who sell this one way or the other. Was that terminology really that difficult to follow? Like I said, nobody is telling you that you can't buy as many of these Crooked I CD's as you want. Buy all 100 yourself and give them to your friends as birthday/X-mas gifts for all I care. All I'm getting at is you shouldn't hold other people responsible for you not getting your CD when we have no say in that.
If you can't understand where I'm coming from when I say I don't want to spend twenty-five dollars to buy something that I have to wait for 89 more people to buy before I receive then maybe you're right to give up. I have spent $25 at bars. I do spent $25 on women. However, I've never gone to a bar where I've ordered a $25 drink and they told me, "You can't have it until you go outside and get 90 other people to come in here and buy the same drink." If any bar had the policy, you'd better believe I wouldn't be drinking there. I shouldn't have to bother other people to buy something so I can get what I've already paid for. It sounds like you paid for this, realized they only had 10% of the customers they needed and are now mad because you have to wait for the other 90% which at this rate sounds like it might take awhile. That's a rough break but like I said, you're mad at the wrong people.
LMFAO!
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the more people talk about certain Death Row artists on here, the more likely it is that Wide Awake Ent. will release the music properly and without the bullshit that these bootleggers in general put people through.
If FTP and these other idiots were smart, they'd leak all the Crooked I material (or whatever artist material they have) for free. That way less people would be inclined to purchase the real release when it eventually comes out. All these attention whore bootleggers brought this among themselves.
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the more people talk about certain Death Row artists on here, the more likely it is that Wide Awake Ent. will release the music properly and without the bullshit that these bootleggers in general put people through.
If FTP and these other idiots were smart, they'd leak all the Crooked I material (or whatever artist material they have) for free. That way less people would be inclined to purchase the real release when it eventually comes out. All these attention whore bootleggers brought this among themselves.
Yep. I've never seen a more shining example of people thinking backasswards. Plus we know that Wideawake is releasing projects from the artists that they've already spoken to first, and they've already spoken to Crooked I. So the math on this is pretty easy for those who are paying attention. These people who have this should get rid of it while it's still of some value.