West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: k-dogg on April 19, 2009, 08:24:07 AM
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When Dre left DR and started Aftermath, I was excited cause I figured Dre with his production skills and now his label experience on both Ruthless and DR would be able to do things his way for the first time and I thought Aftermath would become the hottest label in the rap industry..While Dre has made alot of money and he and Eminem and Jimmy have profited from Em and Dre sales along with G-unit and Game sales, Game remaines the only WC artist to really make it big and so many other rappers have been let go without even releasing any albums including WC vet King T.....I think Dre and Jimmy should be ashamed of all the artists signed and let go especially Dre since he knows what it is like to be rejected by the industry..So my point is, do westcoast hip hop fans think The math has been good for the WC or just good for Dre..I'm not hating on Dre and I know the industry has changed alot but it seems like Aftermath should have been so much more in representing the Westcoast and hip hop in general. How do you feel about that??
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but that was the concept, to have a universal platform.
can't say that i'm proud of the label at all.
i rather see it collapse
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Man i remember at one point the west turned they back on dre.everybody from the west was dissing him and calling him gay and shit.now everybody want his help.But at the end of the day its all bussiness.eminem and 50 cent is the greatest thing that ever happened to aftermath.believe it or not.So dre makeing the right moves.imo.
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Aftermath has got something in common with Death Row:
Coulda woulda shoulda.
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Aftermath has got something in common with Death Row:
Coulda woulda shoulda.
I mean, in terms of sales and quality releases, Aftermath has released some good music, but they really been a sleeping giant for too long. They dropped the ball on so many potential classics its not even funny.
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dre is over-rated n he aint dun shit 4 the west!
he just a closet-fag.. hahaha
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I don't think Dre ever once claimed that Aftermath was gonna be a strictly West Coast label. I think he's been fairly straight forward about his direction over the years and his actions have pretty much matched that. Fans and artists have kind of volunteered him for a spot he never accepted. There aren't any other labels with the influence to do something on the West so people have pretty much appointed Dre to be the savior. It's not about a friend or a foe. A friend doesn't owe you. My understanding is Dre wants make music with good artists and not restrict himself to strictly California.
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Exactly ^^^ Dres had the west coast on his back for soo many years. Since leaving DR he helped gain some attention for the west on 2001, helped Xzibit blow up, brought Snoop back into the limelight and brought The Game. Shit if anyone should be under fire it should be Game - if hes the so called king of cali atm he should be doin a hella lot more to put other west coast newcomers on. Instead of puttin fuckin Nas or Raekwon on his album feature BWS artists
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There's also the whole pointing at Hittman and King T being dropped as Dre's "anti-West" agenda but Stat Quo, Raekwon, Rakim, and the rest all parted with the label too. In the case of Hittman and T, the material from their albums have surfaced. Dre might not have made them household names but you can purchase their material if you want to hear it.
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Dre drops who he feels is hot, and all Aftermath projects have sold well. He hasn't dropped anything thats flopped, hes dropped alot of artists, but also alot of solid albums and classics. He made Xzibit and Game huge, and brought Snoop back to where he shoulda been, also don't forget Knoc...
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no diss, Dre wants to make money: that's always been his agenda, and i'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. West coast or not, I don't think he ever signed an artist unless he saw some serious potential profit.
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Dre is afraid of failure, he wants his legacy intact. His quality control has gotten to a point he won't release any albums which won't be huge successes, which is why so many artists get dropped. How hard would it of been to release Stat Quo's album? Or Hittmans? And as it seems now, Bishops? The albums are done, yet Dre/Jimmy won't release them because they won't sell millions. They've screwed themselves many times by pushing back albums.
I have a lot more respect for 50 Cent and what hes done for G-Unit records in many respects. You don't see bad sales stopping 50 from releasing more albums by his artists. Yayo didn't do well, and he still released Blood Money, which did worse. Then he released Banks and Buck's albums which did equally badly. And a second group album. You have to respect 50 for still working and releasing these albums, even though they seem like flops. You may not like G-Unit, but at least their still releasing material despite bad sales, something that can't be said for Dre. I'd rather have 10 more G-Unit albums then the hope of Dre releasing even one more album on Aftermath. Both 50 and Dre are immensly rich, but it seems Dre won't spend a dime on a project unless it's profitable.
The other problem with Dre is theirs guys like Cube, Snoop Dogg, who have openly said they'll work with Dre, do a full album, or an NWA reunion album with Ren, yet their all waiting on Dre. All these artists, want to get these projects done, yet they have to wait on Dre. What the hell is Dre doing? Does he really sit in the studio for hours on end working on Detox for 9 years? How long does it take to produce 16 tracks for an album? I question his legacy for the simple fact that it shouldn't take a super producer years to produce an album. Quik produced Street Gospel in a matter of weeks, how the hell does it take 9 years for Detox? He can't be working full-time.
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they fucked up rap by signing 50 cent
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I must admit that I'm kind of conflicted...As I said in the initial post, I'm not hating on Dre...As a matter of fact, I'm a huge fan but damn...I think his inability to release other artists music and even his own is going to affect his legacy...As the King said, I think in a way that Dre is afraid of failure despite always talking like he is so confident in the rare interviews he gives.. Jimmy I'm sure has final say but I think Dre has more input than we realize and so many of the unreleased projects could have at least gone gold but that is not good enough for Aftermath. In some ways, I feel Dre has cheated both the artists and the fans with his insecurities.
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aftermath presents: bitches getting dropped
3 disc album fully produced by dr dre. bonus disc: crooked i - boss music. coming this nevuary
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I like Dre but lets face it, dude cant run a label properly, sure he had his little run but now i think he should just sell and get outta it, who knows if he can even still make great beats.
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Besides having Dre. attached.... Aftermath Entertainment is not a West Coast label. (sound)
The majority of the music they have distributed or have their name attached has zero to do with West.
That said, Dre, Xzibit & Game's project's still the best material they have dropped. IMO
(Go figure)
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Dre isn't the business type he just makes music.He needs someone that knows what he's doing to help with the label.Aftermath is probably the most disappointing label ever made.You know its bad when most people are relieved when an artist gets dropped because now you might actually get an album.
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People act like Dre owes some debt to every one. Dre has left behind an incredible legacy. I don't blame anyone for wanting to put out the best material possible.
I'm all for an artist being honest with himself or his label and only putting out good material. The industry needs more people like Dre. Can you imagine if Hitman had come out with his album? From what we've heard of it so far, it was garbage. Without Dre, I may have wasted $15 on it. King T? I love his old stuff, but him and Dre were not a good match. Once again, Dre saved me $15.
Of the recent artists, Bishop, Stat Quo, etc.. Not one of them has come with a song that made me want to buy their album. People act like Dre has a magic wand and he will wave it to make these artists good all of the sudden. It doesn't work like that. Its not like he hasn't signed artists like Joel Ortiz, Stat, Bishop, Slim the Mobsta, Rakim.... and given them a chance to work with him. I'm sure if they would have made something worth listening to or marketable Dre would have put it out.
From 2Pac to Eminem to Snoop.....Dre has had a hand in the biggest rap albums of all time.
I would much rather that he be selective, rather than coming out with junk like most of the last few Quik projects, anything the Dogg Pound has put out in the last 5 years, or Cube's albums.
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Dre isn't the business type he just makes music.He needs someone that knows what he's doing to help with the label.Aftermath is probably the most disappointing label ever made.You know its bad when most people are relieved when an artist gets dropped because now you might actually get an album.
Are you kidding? Aftermath is probably one of the most profitable labels ever. Eminem has sold over 75 million albums worldwide. 50 Cent has sold well, beside the first album Dre put out, I can't think of one flop released by Aftermath.
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Dre isn't the business type he just makes music.He needs someone that knows what he's doing to help with the label.Aftermath is probably the most disappointing label ever made.You know its bad when most people are relieved when an artist gets dropped because now you might actually get an album.
Are you kidding? Aftermath is probably one of the most profitable labels ever. Eminem has sold over 75 million albums worldwide. 50 Cent has sold well, beside the first album Dre put out, I can't think of one flop released by Aftermath.
cus he has them on the roster for ever then drops them before they can get a album out and flop lol
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Who cares how profitable it is?How long has aftermath been around since what 97?how many albums have they dropped?10?that's pathetic.and his first compilation was a flop,the firm was a flop and truth hurts was a flop.....and stat quo could have been huge and your sleeping on dude go listen to all the street albums he has dropped nothing but heat.
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Id say the label and its politics and so called perfectionism has been its own worst enemy... It has had all the potential in the world and it only has itself to blame!
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And busta only went gold I'd say that's a flop as well considering how much money and years went into the album.
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neither really
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aftermath presents: bitches getting dropped
3 disc album fully produced by dr dre. bonus disc: crooked i - boss music. coming this nevuary
LOL!
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Shit if Niggas dogged me out and called me outta my name like they did Dre I would be like fuck alot of ya'll too. he doesnt owe the west coast anything if anything they owe him and the people that he does work with and puts out they sell. his only problem is hes a perfectionst but oh well. I think its funny though this dude Biggszy or whatever his name is is on suges nuts. What the fuck has suge done for the west but fuck shit up he hasnt brought anybody togather or created peace hes created havoc the whole time so fuck suge. Dre is the man but damn it put out that Detox
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Without suge the west wouldn't have the reign it did.you can't deny that
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And without Dre and his stable of artists, Suge wouldn't have had a label. You can't deny that.
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I'm not.they worked together to create it.Just like how dre wouldn't be who he is today without eminem and eminem wouldn't be who he is today without dre.
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I'm not.they worked together to create it.Just like how dre wouldn't be who he is today without eminem and eminem wouldn't be who he is today without dre.
No question. I think his chemistry with Eminem and Snoop was the most obvious because not only did he bring out the best in them but they influenced him as well. On the business end, I think if Suge and Dre had maintained a close business relationship throughout, Death Row could have some serious longevity in my opinion.
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I think if Suge would have played his position and let Dre run the music side things would have been cool. I guess Suge was more convinced that being a gangster was more important then being a businessman first
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I'm not.they worked together to create it.Just like how dre wouldn't be who he is today without eminem and eminem wouldn't be who he is today without dre.
No question. I think his chemistry with Eminem and Snoop was the most obvious because not only did he bring out the best in them but they influenced him as well. On the business end, I think if Suge and Dre had maintained a close business relationship throughout, Death Row could have some serious longevity in my opinion.
come on now, it was only a matter of time before it died.
stealing contracts isn't a great way to start a label
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Its true the gangsta persona is what took deathrow under but at the same time its what made them who they were and was a big reason the sales were high on the label.
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Its true the gangsta persona is what took deathrow under but at the same time its what made them who they were and was a big reason the sales were high on the label.
I guess is was sort of a Catch-22 for Suge. The things that brought him into the game were what ended up bringing him down. I think it actually might have given a lot of others some false belief that those sort of things could work out. Quik spoke on something like this in that recent YouTube interview and a lot of made some sense.
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Dre isn't the business type he just makes music.He needs someone that knows what he's doing to help with the label.Aftermath is probably the most disappointing label ever made.You know its bad when most people are relieved when an artist gets dropped because now you might actually get an album.
Are you kidding? Aftermath is probably one of the most profitable labels ever. Eminem has sold over 75 million albums worldwide. 50 Cent has sold well, beside the first album Dre put out, I can't think of one flop released by Aftermath.
Firm and the Aftermath compilation both went platinum, truth hurts went gold. Everything Aftermath has dropped has earned a plaque, aint nothing failed about that
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The fact remains that half the albums dropped on aftermath weren't very good.50s last two albums,the firm,the aftermath album and encore were all mediocre at best.They have dropped the ball on countless projects.aftermath is the most overrated label.
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u kidding yoself if u think dre had a hand in pacs shit.. pac didnt like that closet fag!!! hahaha
n u talkin bout dre runnin deathrow... if he cnt still release detox wat would he have released on dr??
someone would have ended up shootin him for not releasin they shit.. theres many producers who can lay a sick ass beat than dre... he spends 2 much time bendin mel-man over...
dre aint dun shit 4 the west n u shouldnt expect him 2 coz he aint reppin the west..
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hahaha... grow up people. it's music industry - I N D U S T R Y.
in music industry they don't give ashit about helping anybody unless they can make money on it.
When major lables artist are rapping about loyalty and all that stuff they do it becuase you want to hear that, and if you hear that you'll probably leave your money.
That's why so called west coast king Game makes records with Nas rather than wit west coast newcomers.
And in this terms saying Aftermath is a disappointmeint is just a childish nonsense. This is fucking record label, they're here to make money not to make you happy.
it's not 90 anymore. it's a different game different world. and believe me you'll never see labels like death row anymore.instead of this you'll hear more ringtone hits.
this is what capitalism have brought afterall - a total lack of quality
end of story
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no diss, Dre wants to make money: that's always been his agenda, and i'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. West coast or not, I don't think he ever signed an artist unless he saw some serious potential profit.
agree wit that
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u kidding yoself if u think dre had a hand in pacs shit.. pac didnt like that closet fag!!! hahaha
n u talkin bout dre runnin deathrow... if he cnt still release detox wat would he have released on dr??
someone would have ended up shootin him for not releasin they shit.. theres many producers who can lay a sick ass beat than dre... he spends 2 much time bendin mel-man over...
dre aint dun shit 4 the west n u shouldnt expect him 2 coz he aint reppin the west..
lol...are there any smart haters?
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Dre isn't the business type he just makes music.He needs someone that knows what he's doing to help with the label.Aftermath is probably the most disappointing label ever made.You know its bad when most people are relieved when an artist gets dropped because now you might actually get an album.
Are you kidding? Aftermath is probably one of the most profitable labels ever. Eminem has sold over 75 million albums worldwide. 50 Cent has sold well, beside the first album Dre put out, I can't think of one flop released by Aftermath.
cus he has them on the roster for ever then drops them before they can get a album out and flop lol
Still haven't addressed the fact that Aftermath has sold alot of records. How many rap labels have sold as many as Aftermath over the last 10 years or so? I guess it all depends on how you define success. If you define success on how many albums a label has sold, I would say Aftermath has been successful. If you define it by how many artists or albums a label puts out it is another story. Bottom line is that Dre makes money.
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Deathrow > aftermath in sales and quality of releases.sales doesn't mean anything I mean no limit made a lot of money in sales but that doesn't mean they had quality releases.half the albums on aftermath have been mediocre at best.
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man, that "thy kingdom come" album of king T's was dope.
dont know why aftermath didnt release the album
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Deathrow > aftermath in sales and quality of releases.sales doesn't mean anything I mean no limit made a lot of money in sales but that doesn't mean they had quality releases.half the albums on aftermath have been mediocre at best.
But it's all basically objective, outside of sales. Obviously, if your preference is West Coast gangsta rap then Death Row would be the choice. But Aftermath is still standing. People may call it a joke of a label but how many other labels that have been operating for 12 years are still active, let alone have three of the most anticipated albums in the marketplace? Death Row has a little more credibility with WC fans because it was edgier and more street but that doesn't necessarily make it the better label because its followers are louder.
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Well I'd say deathrow has more classic albums under its belt and not just west coast classics.And their track record of quality releases has never been equalled.the first three projects from aftermath weren't that great and since then their batting about 500.
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Well I'd say deathrow has more classic albums under its belt and not just west coast classics.And their track record of quality releases has never been equalled.the first three projects from aftermath weren't that great and since then their batting about 500.
I'm not necessarily arguing with you on that point but I don't think enough time has passed in the case of most Aftermath releases to really tell. I think there is a lot more diversity to the Aftermath catalog. Like I said, it's all opinion. Time turns a lot of good albums into classics. Glaring flaws are often overlooked in favor of the nostalgia attached to an enjoyable album of yesteryear.
And album sales do hold some weight in the discussion. They aren't the be all - end all but the constant argument against The Big Bang's worth is its commercial failure. With the right marketing attached and better choice of singles, I think people would have seen it in a much different light but we'll never know. It does seem like a double standard though. If Aftermath sells triple-platinum, sales aren't everything but if they put out a solid project and it goes gold, it's an undisputable brick.
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Myself personally I loved the big bang.It was a great album with only a few bad tracks.that timbaland produced track was terrible.I love my bitch shouldn't have been a single and shouldn't have been on the album.However a gold selling album that had what 4 or 5 videos with tons of hype and took how many years to create can be considered a failure from a commercial stand point.I gave the firm album another listen recently and for the first 4 or 5 songs its great then the next 6 or 7 songs are just terrible.the slim shady lp was good not great and mm was a classic.eminem show was decent with encore was an abortion.2001 I feel is a bit overrated.Yes it does have some amazing songs but it has a lot of mediocre ones as well and doesn't deserve a classic rating.