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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on June 11, 2009, 11:44:45 PM
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Ok, Magic Johnson, greatest point guard ever, ok, done.
Now, the Lakers have had a history of getting great point guards, and most of them were all underdog Point Guards who were able to lead the Lakers to titles, and greatness. So who is the Greatest Laker leader not named Magic Johnson.
Slater Martin (1949 - 1956) - Could be seen as the first great Laker point guard. Leading the Lakers to 4 of their 5 titles in Minneapolis, Martin was known as a great defender, and voted to 4 All Star games as a Laker (7 overall). Martin's best Laker season was his last season, the 2nd year of the shot clock era, Martin had 6apg, and 13ppg.
Rodney Clark Hundley (1957-1963) - Hod Rod was the leader on the floor during the transition from Minneapolis to Los Angeles. His career was cut shot at the end of 28 due to bad knees, was still able to make 2 All Star games and had his best season in 1959-1960 when he had 13ppg, 5rpg and 4apg.
Gail Goodrich (1965-1968, 1970-1976) - Too small to play pro ball, all he did was make the all star 3 times as a Laker, and lead the greatest Laker team ever to 69 wins and the 1972 title. 1972 was also his best year in the NBA, 26ppg, to go with 4.5apg, and a career high 25ppg in the playoffs.
Nick Van Exel (1993-1998) - Nick Van Exel, who hit many clutch shots in his career is 6th all time in the NBA for 3pointers made. Only making 1 All Star game as a Laker, Van Exel's best season as a Laker was 94-95 season which saw him go for 17ppg with 8 apg. Though unlike the his counter parts, Van Exel was never able to win the big one.
Derek Fisher (1996-2004, 2007-) - Though not always a starter, Fisher was always a finisher, and lead the Lakers to 3 titles so far. Not making the All Star team as a Laker, Fisher was known in the playoffs with big shots. Fisher's best year as a Laker was 2000-2001 his first year starting which he had 11.5ppg and 4.4apg.
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i'd definitely say Derek Fisher is the most important PG after magic, but all around best, now that's another question, that i'd have to think about another day or two before committing.
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I think Gail Goodrich will go down as the best out of that group, but as for "greatest"... I guess that depends on the criteria. Fish got the championships, but he was never an All-Star caliber player, he was just an amazing role player with amazing leadership.
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is this another one of your joke threads? Gail Goodrich, easily...Fisher is a role player. Goodrich was a superstar who's jersey hangs in the rafters...LOL. come on, Mdogg. that's 2 in a row.
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is this another one of your joke threads? Gail Goodrich, easily...Fisher is a role player. Goodrich was a superstar who's jersey hangs in the rafters...LOL. come on, Mdogg. that's 2 in a row.
Well, not really, Because Fisher has been more money that Goodrich. Goodrich has the stats and the All Star games, BUT Fisher has the titles and the clutch moments. Goodrich was never able to be that closer, except for 1972, his playoff stats never matched up to his season stats. Now better point guard, Goodrich easy, but greatness is usually defined by titles.
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Goodrich shits on the others
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You should have said, Post Johnson era.
Then Fish would have won hands down.
Tho Nick The quick was a personal fav of mine.
(I ain't gonna front, I liked those Van Exel era Lakers, very 8))
Sucks we lost alot of games, But the transition was fun.
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You should have said, Post Johnson era.
Then Fish would have won hands down.
Tho Nick The quick was a personal fav of mine.
(I ain't gonna front, I liked those Van Exel era Lakers, very 8))
Sucks we lost alot of games, But the transition was fun.
It was those Nick Van Exel teams that got me back into the Lakers. When Magic retired, I was even cheering for the Clippers...lol. I always loved the underdog, which is how I got started being an Angel fan, that it made sense for me to root for the Clippers. But man, Van Exel was killing it, I turned back a Laker game in 94, and they won in the 4th quarter. It was like every game was either they lose by blow out, or win by the last shot... haha. Those Laker teams were not the best, but man I loved watching them, and really wished Van Exel and Eddie Jones, and even Elden were on the title teams. Van Exel's exit came when he shoved that ref in Denver, since then Jerry West I think wanted to trade him, but his friendship with Shaq kept him around (the shove was before signing Shaq, so West used him to communicate), Jones trade was the ultimate power move by GM Shaq 'cause Jones was almost like Kobe's big brother, and when the Shaq/Kobe beef started out of no where Shaq wanted a 3 point thread andso out went Eddie, and of course Elden went with him. Man, As much as I love Shaq, that was a punk move, especially 'cause it did bit him in the ass later. Elden went with that trade with Eddie, and it was Elden in 2004 that was able to guard Shaq one on one and allowed Detroit to focus on everyone else and Detroit beat the Lakers. All my years watching Shaq, Elden was always the best at defending him, Dikembe Mutombo was always a close second.
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Smush
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Smush
Smush was cool... too bad the Lakers center sucked when Smush was there. What was that centers name again... I don't remember... something about small hands.
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LOL @ this thread because he hit the shot. :laugh:
Smush
;D 8)
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LOL @ this thread because he hit the shot. :laugh:
Smush
;D 8)
Shot's, 2x
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LOL @ this thread because he hit the shot. :laugh:
Smush
;D 8)
His hit more than a few big shots for the Lakers in the playoffs.
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Sedale Threatt
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
I ever tell you i use to play ball with Stu Lance's son Shane? He tried out for the Lakers at the time Sedale and Van Exel were there. No chance at getting on at PG then. They also had Eddie Jones at the 2.
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wat about chucky atkins
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
I ever tell you i use to play ball with Stu Lance's son Shane? He tried out for the Lakers at the time Sedale and Van Exel were there. No chance at getting on at PG then. They also had Eddie Jones at the 2.
those were some underrated Laker teams
PG Nick Van Exel
SG Eddie Jones
SF Cedric Ceballos
PF Elden Campbell
C Vlade Divac
bench
Sedale Threatt
Anthony Peeler
George Lynch
Anthony "Pig" Miller
Corie Blount
forgot the rest... lol.. but that was their main rotation back in those day... all young and all hungry at that time.
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is this another one of your joke threads? Gail Goodrich, easily...Fisher is a role player. Goodrich was a superstar who's jersey hangs in the rafters...LOL. come on, Mdogg. that's 2 in a row.
Well, not really, Because Fisher has been more money that Goodrich. Goodrich has the stats and the All Star games, BUT Fisher has the titles and the clutch moments. Goodrich was never able to be that closer, except for 1972, his playoff stats never matched up to his season stats. Now better point guard, Goodrich easy, but greatness is usually defined by titles.
okay...robert horry was also greater than bob mcadoo. lmao...you're a funny guy.
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
I ever tell you i use to play ball with Stu Lance's son Shane? He tried out for the Lakers at the time Sedale and Van Exel were there. No chance at getting on at PG then. They also had Eddie Jones at the 2.
those were some underrated Laker teams
PG Nick Van Exel
SG Eddie Jones
SF Cedric Ceballos
PF Elden Campbell
C Vlade Divac
bench
Sedale Threatt
Anthony Peeler
George Lynch
Anthony "Pig" Miller
Corie Blount
forgot the rest... lol.. but that was their main rotation back in those day... all young and all hungry at that time.
LOL...damn. i still remember these days.we also had the comeback magic johnson and derek strong at this time.. pig miller was one of the worst players in NBA history, though. :-X
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
I ever tell you i use to play ball with Stu Lance's son Shane? He tried out for the Lakers at the time Sedale and Van Exel were there. No chance at getting on at PG then. They also had Eddie Jones at the 2.
those were some underrated Laker teams
PG Nick Van Exel
SG Eddie Jones
SF Cedric Ceballos
PF Elden Campbell
C Vlade Divac
bench
Sedale Threatt
Anthony Peeler
George Lynch
Anthony "Pig" Miller
Corie Blount
forgot the rest... lol.. but that was their main rotation back in those day... all young and all hungry at that time.
LOL...damn. i still remember these days.we also had the comeback magic johnson and derek strong at this time.. pig miller was one of the worst players in NBA history, though. :-X
Which is why I can remember him... lol. I remember him coming into the games, and being like... OMG, please just play D and Nick shot over him when he post... ha ha ha ha.
is this another one of your joke threads? Gail Goodrich, easily...Fisher is a role player. Goodrich was a superstar who's jersey hangs in the rafters...LOL. come on, Mdogg. that's 2 in a row.
Well, not really, Because Fisher has been more money that Goodrich. Goodrich has the stats and the All Star games, BUT Fisher has the titles and the clutch moments. Goodrich was never able to be that closer, except for 1972, his playoff stats never matched up to his season stats. Now better point guard, Goodrich easy, but greatness is usually defined by titles.
okay...robert horry was also greater than bob mcadoo. lmao...you're a funny guy.
As an overall player, McAdoo is a hall of famer of course and as a Laker, a great defender and the enforcer to the Showtime Era. If I had to re do the line ups, I'd put McAdoo in there instead of Horry. At the time I was thinking of my all Laker team though, I kept thinking of this shot.
http://www.youtube.com/v/E3iV4aYvopM&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6
Other than that, I think my all Laker team is pretty good. You had a 6'5" PF, when of course if James Worthy and Elgin Baylor were on the court together, Worthy would be the 4, and of course that's why the Lakers always had players like Green or McAdoo, because Worthy was not a banger, and neither was Baylor. Baylor was the original slasher, who drove the lane with great steps and lay ups and dunks. He was the precursor to Dr. J, and in his later years, when the players got bigger, Baylor played SF.
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^LOL...again, worthy is not nearly as physical a player as baylor was, so you're completely off with that...baylor could play like barkley and as a matter of fact, he averaged 13.5 rebounds a game. he was a beast on the boards. if russell is considered a center in that era, baylor can definitely be considered a power forward, and baylor has been used as a power forward throughout his career...PeACe
PS...I brought up mcadoo and horry because mcadoo is to horry as goodrich is to fisher. really no comparison. 2 of them are great hall of famers and the other 2 are great role players. comparing role players to hall of fame superstars is really ridiculous, when you really think about it...PeACe
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^LOL...again, worthy is not nearly as physical a player as baylor was, so you're completely off with that...baylor could play like barkley and as a matter of fact, he averaged 13.5 rebounds a game. he was a beast on the boards. if russell is considered a center in that era, baylor can definitely be considered a power forward, and baylor has been used as a power forward throughout his career...PeACe
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Of course Russell is a center, his 6'10" and beat a guy who was 7'1". That's a center. The only short power foward today was round.
(http://celebrityworld.today.com/files/2008/07/charles-barkley.jpg)
Of course you know all, so why bother, but still Baylor was a 3.
I know what will convince you Baylor was a SF... THE COMPLETE IDIOTS GUIDE TO BASKETBALL.... In order to talk to an idiot, I have to reference a book for idiots.
http://books.google.com/books?id=e13_WbyI_moC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=elgin+baylor+small+forward&source=bl&ots=ZH7GYcRHCu&sig=MWXpv4e7LSB-qiaV6gQLLLA9jHc&hl=en&ei=svMySoahDpHGM_3WqJMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA111,M1
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Sedale Threatt
ha ha ha... only 2 years as a starter, mainly Van Exel's back up. But he was good, and if Magic never retired, he would have great off the bench, like he was suppose to be used.
I ever tell you i use to play ball with Stu Lance's son Shane? He tried out for the Lakers at the time Sedale and Van Exel were there. No chance at getting on at PG then. They also had Eddie Jones at the 2.
those were some underrated Laker teams
PG Nick Van Exel
SG Eddie Jones
SF Cedric Ceballos
PF Elden Campbell
C Vlade Divac
bench
Sedale Threatt
Anthony Peeler
George Lynch
Anthony "Pig" Miller
Corie Blount
forgot the rest... lol.. but that was their main rotation back in those day... all young and all hungry at that time.
Josh Powell reminds me a lot of Corie Blount
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^LOL...again, worthy is not nearly as physical a player as baylor was, so you're completely off with that...baylor could play like barkley and as a matter of fact, he averaged 13.5 rebounds a game. he was a beast on the boards. if russell is considered a center in that era, baylor can definitely be considered a power forward, and baylor has been used as a power forward throughout his career...PeACe
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Of course Russell is a center, his 6'10" and beat a guy who was 7'1". That's a center. The only short power foward today was round.
(http://celebrityworld.today.com/files/2008/07/charles-barkley.jpg)
Of course you know all, so why bother, but still Baylor was a 3.
I know what will convince you Baylor was a SF... THE COMPLETE IDIOTS GUIDE TO BASKETBALL.... In order to talk to an idiot, I have to reference a book for idiots.
http://books.google.com/books?id=e13_WbyI_moC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=elgin+baylor+small+forward&source=bl&ots=ZH7GYcRHCu&sig=MWXpv4e7LSB-qiaV6gQLLLA9jHc&hl=en&ei=svMySoahDpHGM_3WqJMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA111,M1
first of all, Russell was 6'9" 215 pounds...Elgin Baylor was 6'5" 225 and, again, had a career average of 13.5 rebounds. LOL. talk about idiots and basketball. and why you postin a pic of out of shape Barkley? you know he wasnt THAT fat when he was playin in the league. Barkley=6'4" in the 90's...6'5" in the 80's is like 6'10" nowadays...Yes, Baylor was naturally a 3, but he was also used as a 4 at times, and the fact that you don't know this is quite sad.
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/lakers_baylor_240.jpg)
(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=202&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=85632)
doesn't look like a small dude, does he? especially not in that day and age.
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LOL @ this thread because he hit the shot. :laugh:
Smush
;D 8)
His hit more than a few big shots for the Lakers in the playoffs.
yeah, i know; not trying to hate on the dude, he's a baller; i respect his game.
but on the real, this thread was ONLY made because of his heroics last night lol.
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^LOL...again, worthy is not nearly as physical a player as baylor was, so you're completely off with that...baylor could play like barkley and as a matter of fact, he averaged 13.5 rebounds a game. he was a beast on the boards. if russell is considered a center in that era, baylor can definitely be considered a power forward, and baylor has been used as a power forward throughout his career...PeACe
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Of course Russell is a center, his 6'10" and beat a guy who was 7'1". That's a center. The only short power foward today was round.
(http://celebrityworld.today.com/files/2008/07/charles-barkley.jpg)
Of course you know all, so why bother, but still Baylor was a 3.
I know what will convince you Baylor was a SF... THE COMPLETE IDIOTS GUIDE TO BASKETBALL.... In order to talk to an idiot, I have to reference a book for idiots.
http://books.google.com/books?id=e13_WbyI_moC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=elgin+baylor+small+forward&source=bl&ots=ZH7GYcRHCu&sig=MWXpv4e7LSB-qiaV6gQLLLA9jHc&hl=en&ei=svMySoahDpHGM_3WqJMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA111,M1
first of all, Russell was 6'9" 215 pounds...Elgin Baylor was 6'5" 225 and, again, had a career average of 13.5 rebounds. LOL. talk about idiots and basketball. and why you postin a pic of out of shape Barkley? you know he wasnt THAT fat when he was playin in the league. Barkley=6'4" in the 90's...6'5" in the 80's is like 6'10" nowadays...Yes, Baylor was naturally a 3, but he was also used as a 4 at times, and the fact that you don't know this is quite sad.
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/lakers_baylor_240.jpg)
(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=202&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=85632)
doesn't look like a small dude, does he? especially not in that day and age.
Wait a minute, you just said what I said. Baylor was a natural 3, early in his career his a 4, but as people in the league got bigger, he switched to 3.
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^LOL...again, worthy is not nearly as physical a player as baylor was, so you're completely off with that...baylor could play like barkley and as a matter of fact, he averaged 13.5 rebounds a game. he was a beast on the boards. if russell is considered a center in that era, baylor can definitely be considered a power forward, and baylor has been used as a power forward throughout his career...PeACe
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Of course Russell is a center, his 6'10" and beat a guy who was 7'1". That's a center. The only short power foward today was round.
(http://celebrityworld.today.com/files/2008/07/charles-barkley.jpg)
Of course you know all, so why bother, but still Baylor was a 3.
I know what will convince you Baylor was a SF... THE COMPLETE IDIOTS GUIDE TO BASKETBALL.... In order to talk to an idiot, I have to reference a book for idiots.
http://books.google.com/books?id=e13_WbyI_moC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=elgin+baylor+small+forward&source=bl&ots=ZH7GYcRHCu&sig=MWXpv4e7LSB-qiaV6gQLLLA9jHc&hl=en&ei=svMySoahDpHGM_3WqJMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA111,M1
first of all, Russell was 6'9" 215 pounds...Elgin Baylor was 6'5" 225 and, again, had a career average of 13.5 rebounds. LOL. talk about idiots and basketball. and why you postin a pic of out of shape Barkley? you know he wasnt THAT fat when he was playin in the league. Barkley=6'4" in the 90's...6'5" in the 80's is like 6'10" nowadays...Yes, Baylor was naturally a 3, but he was also used as a 4 at times, and the fact that you don't know this is quite sad.
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/lakers_baylor_240.jpg)
(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=202&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=85632)
doesn't look like a small dude, does he? especially not in that day and age.
Wait a minute, you just said what I said. Baylor was a natural 3, early in his career his a 4, but as people in the league got bigger, he switched to 3.
yea, but i still dont see why you tried to knock me putting him as a 4 on an all-time Laker team when he's the best player to ever play the 4 for us. whatever, though...this doesnt really have shit to do with the topic. LOL.