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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: OG Hack Wilson on October 18, 2009, 10:21:56 AM
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The title says it all.
Yes, Tom Brady is going to hell.
Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald pointed out to us this rather critical nugget (for Brady at least) earlier in the week. It seems that the Amazing Grace Baptist Church in Canton, North Carolina has usurped the duties of St. Peter and declared Brady's eternal damnation.
"Tom Brady has an unwed child, but it's okay because he wins Super Bowls," the church said on its web site. "Tom Brady is teaching us to have sex outside of marriage, to commit fornication, don't marry and do the right thing, don't take responsibility for your actions, have a good time no matter who you hurt in this world, go from sex partner to sex partner, and it's okay because of who I am. How many of you dad's [sic] cheer on Tom in the Super Bowl while your kids are watching?"
(Technically, most people with kids under the age of 18 have an "unwed child." But we think we get the point.)
So there you have it. Like David Puddy and Elaine Benes, Brady is going to hell.
And if that's the standard for an eternity of devils and caves and ragged clothing, Tom will have plenty of company.
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best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
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best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
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best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
he wasn't very good.
back in the day, Edge was the fuckin' man & today Mr. Addai puts in that serious work.
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best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
he wasn't very good.
back in the day, Edge was the fuckin' man & today Mr. Addai puts in that serious work.
are you kidding me? Cory Dillion wasn't very good??
why were the 2004 pats 7th in rushing with him, and 27th in rushing the year before WITHOUT him?
::)
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Addai sucks ass lol
It's Peyton all day
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best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
he wasn't very good.
back in the day, Edge was the fuckin' man & today Mr. Addai puts in that serious work.
You're right. He really showed how essential he was to that team when he left. The Colts were a completely different team when they lost Edge. Just look at that first year. And then factor in Edge's first year with the Cards. Forget about it. Manning should be begging for James to come back.
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Addai sucks ass lol
It's Peyton all day
last year, Addai was ranked 40th in fantasy last year & is currently 22nd this year.
i know it's fantasy, but you don't get that rank for just being on Peyton's team; & even if he isn't in the top of the league in rushing yards, he is something that the defense jumps on when Peyton does his play action.
best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
he wasn't very good.
back in the day, Edge was the fuckin' man & today Mr. Addai puts in that serious work.
are you kidding me? Cory Dillion wasn't very good??
why were the 2004 pats 7th in rushing with him, and 27th in rushing the year before WITHOUT him?
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because everyone & their mother was defending the pass & Thomas handed him the ball lol.
best QB. 8)
only dominate one in the NFL without a great back.
yeah Cory Dillon was garbage huh????
::) smh
peyton > brady
he wasn't very good.
back in the day, Edge was the fuckin' man & today Mr. Addai puts in that serious work.
You're right. He really showed how essential he was to that team when he left. The Colts were a completely different team when they lost Edge. Just look at that first year. And then factor in Edge's first year with the Cards. Forget about it. Manning should be begging for James to come back.
well then they got Addai &all was well...
it would explain why a year or two ago (forgot which), Addai went down for four weeks or so & the Colts & Peyton looked discombobulated on offense.
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Addai is 37th in rushing this year, has only 3 TD's and is 39th in yards per game. He's about as average as it gets.
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manning > brady
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Addai is 37th in rushing this year, has only 3 TD's and is 39th in yards per game. He's about as average as it gets.
& they throw him the ball.
take away Addai & give them absolutely no one & the Colts drop the next 5 lol.
although, that schedule is so easy, even that GOD AWFUL QB from New England could beat these guys. :D
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brady is overrated
peyton>>>>
peyton is overrated too
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Addai is 37th in rushing this year, has only 3 TD's and is 39th in yards per game. He's about as average as it gets.
& they throw him the ball.
take away Addai & give them absolutely no one & the Colts drop the next 5 lol.
although, that schedule is so easy, even that GOD AWFUL QB from New England could beat these guys. :D
It's not as easy as the 16-0 Pats schedule. And The Colts would hardly lose a step if they had to suffer with Maroney, Faulk, and Taylor this year.
Manning is simply a higher class QB than Brady. That's all I'm trying to say. He's not the greatest player of all time. Or the greatest QB of all time. He's simply better than Brady, and the fact that it is an argument gets on my nerves. Why does no one wonder about Aikman vs Favre. At least Montana had next level talent. I may think Marino was better but I don't lose any sleep over people thinking otherwise. Brady isn't even close to Manning. Manning on a bad team would be like Brees last year. Brady on a bad team would be like Kyle Orton last year.
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Manning shits on Brady.
As a person and as a QB 8)
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Manning shits on Brady.
As a person and as a QB 8)
As a person, Roman Polansky shits on Brady.
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Manning shits on Brady.
As a person and as a QB 8)
As a person, Roman Polansky shits on Brady.
i'm so glad that when we look back in the history books, there's a big 15 game stretch where Tom Brady couldn't add to his career stats :)
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Manning shits on Brady.
As a person and as a QB 8)
As a person, Roman Polansky shits on Brady.
i'm so glad that when we look back in the history books, there's a big 15 game stretch where Tom Brady couldn't add to his career stats :)
I'm just waiting for him to have a falling out with Giselle and little Jet Monyhan can have a little half brother; Colt Bundcheon. Hopefully he'll leave Giselle for Daniel Radcliffe. So I can have a good laugh.
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Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.
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Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.
don't even look this way homie lol.
i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up. :P
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Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.
don't even look this way homie lol.
i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up. :P
Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.
It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.
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Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.
don't even look this way homie lol.
i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up. :P
Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.
It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.
see, when you say things like that, i have to scratch my head.
this year, alright Brees > Brady (so far); but Roth, Eli & Carson Palmer? C'MON!
he averaged 8.3 yards a pass in '07, Peyton only did better than that once in '04, which was his best season.
Eli has never done it.
Carson Palmer? never did that.
Big Ben surprised me & did it twice, but he hasn't since his first two years.
most importantly, it's a proven winning offense.
the problem here is neither of us can prove our points; mine being that no matter where he went he would still be good, even under a different offensive gameplan & yours appearing to be that he wouldn't do shit under a different offense.
until he or Bill leaves, we won't know; but i am going to take the rings he's won & say "pretty impressive".
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Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.
don't even look this way homie lol.
i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up. :P
Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.
It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.
see, when you say things like that, i have to scratch my head.
this year, alright Brees > Brady (so far); but Roth, Eli & Carson Palmer? C'MON!
he averaged 8.3 yards a pass in '07, Peyton only did better than that once in '04, which was his best season.
Eli has never done it.
Carson Palmer? never did that.
Big Ben surprised me & did it twice, but he hasn't since his first two years.
most importantly, it's a proven winning offense.
the problem here is neither of us can prove our points; mine being that no matter where he went he would still be good, even under a different offensive gameplan & yours appearing to be that he wouldn't do shit under a different offense.
until he or Bill leaves, we won't know; but i am going to take the rings he's won & say "pretty impressive".
I say it by watching them play, not by watching the numbers. The Pats are every year in the top 5 for YAC. Every QB gets lucky with that sometimes, but the Wies system was built for it and does it the best. Yeah Peyton had over 9 his top year, and then tied Brady's best the next year, but that's not why he's better. He's better because he does more with less. I could give a fuck who the WRs are on each team or how much they get paid. I have seen every Pat and Colt game since they both started playing. I was a Bills fan the whole time and watched the inter-division games so I saw who was good and who was lucky. Peyton Manning does not have as much time in the pocket as Brady. He doesn't have as many wide open WRs as Brady. He doesn't have the blocking system Brady does. Yes Peyton historically had a better single RB, but the Patriots always had a double back system whose yards from scrimmage toppled the Colts scrimmage yards. The Pats were a lot bigger on small passes to the RB, and that's why the rushing yards looked smaller most years. The Colts were built around starters and only letting those starters play most of the game. The Pats were built around team and filling the team with interchangeable players. That's why Drew Bledsoe can walk into an AFC Championship Game mid-way through and the team doesn't lose a step, then go to Buffalo the next few years and can't break 500. Or have Cassel come in and go 11-5. Then go 1-5 the next year for KC.
I wasn't a Manning fan or a Brady hater. I was a Bills guy, who even cheered for the Pats against the Rams and the Eagles. But when it came down to who I'd rather have on my Bills team as QB it's not even a question. The Bills would do way better with Manning the last 8 years, every year, with out a doubt in my mind.
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would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
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^would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.
i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".
when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.
No one would ever say Peyton would make Randy better. Randy would make Peyton a 35+ TD a year QB, rather than a 25+ TD a year QB. The reason Peyton gets more credit than his WRs is because he doesn't miss a step when they get injured or taken out of the game. They lose Harrison to a injury a couple times when it was "yeah, but Manning has Harrison" and then all of a sudden Wayne becomes a "yeah but" WR. Stokely comes in as a run of the mill WR and becomes a premier slot receiver. Then Harrison gets replaced by Gonzalez and Gonzo goes down in game one, only to have Garcon and Collie rotating huge games. The reason for all this is because Peyton's throws and decisions are better over the course of the last 10 years and no other QB comes close. Some have great years here and there and pass him, but then they fall behind.
It is the only winning team in the NFL that relies on a pass offense to win games. The defense is built to stop the pass after the offense takes the lead. That's how they are coached. It isn't ideal in my mind because it causes them to lose a lot of important close games where teams can keep running, but Peyton Manning is the only QB in the league you can build a team like that around and win enough games to make the playoffs, every year.
All those other teams are built to beat you everywhere on the field; NE, NYG, BAL, PIT, TB. They all won superbowls because they could make it count in crunch time and never needed to rely on superstar QB play to make it. And guess what? The only time Indy made it all the way through was when the "team" played better than the QB all playoffs, and that's what each of those SB winners above did. The last three Colt playoff losses, Peyton outplayed his own team and it wasn't enough. Other QBs on good years can make it work with Indy like Peyton does (I don't think quite as well, but well enough) and those QBs are Brees, Roth (because a collapsing pocket is his specialty), Palmer and Favre if healthy all year, and Warner. I can't think of any other QB on Indy the last 3 or 4 years making more than 1 playoff appearance with them. Sorry, Brady doesn't make the cut.
What does best pure QB mean? Manning's better at throwing, but Brady is better at tackling? I'll give Brady some credit though, he does a jumping first down chop better than any QB I've seen in my 20 years of watching NFL. It's a work of art!
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
Throwing a 3.5 yard pass that goes for 15 to 50 yards is a result of an amazing offensive system filled with guys that can block and any Qb as good or better than Kyle Orton. Manning can stand there and toss it 4 yards no problem. Brady can't do what Manning does. That's the difference. The other difference is that trough their first 7 full time years Manning has nearly an entire seasons worth more TDs than Brady. He throws more on average. We'll see through the next 7 years of Tom's career if that changes. So they are clearly not the same at scoring. No matter how you slice it.
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
Brady can't do what Manning does.
prove it.
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
Brady can't do what Manning does.
prove it.
Just watch his throws. They aren't as good. So unless you're saying he purposely mis-throws the ball to make his WRs work for their money then Brady cannot make them, thus he it is proof that he cannot do what Manning does.
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
Brady can't do what Manning does.
prove it.
Just watch his throws. They aren't as good. So unless you're saying he purposely mis-throws the ball to make his WRs work for their money then Brady cannot make them, thus he it is proof that he cannot do what Manning does.
if can't do what Manning does you mean lose in the playoffs, agreed.
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if joe montana and dan marino were allowed to play with today's passing rules they may indeed put up better stats than Brady or Manning did at their best
go look at the stats of YA Title or Terry Bradshaw and tell me if they would look like stats you want from your QB in 2009 lol
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if joe montana and dan marino were allowed to play with today's passing rules they may indeed put up better stats than Brady or Manning did at their best
go look at the stats of YA Title or Terry Bradshaw and tell me if they would look like stats you want from your QB in 2009 lol
i am not trying to argue anything of the sort.
not Brady >>> Montana, not Brady >>> Marino, not even Brady >>> Peyton.
just Brady is ONE of the greats.
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^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.
whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.
sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.
Brady can't do what Manning does.
prove it.
Just watch his throws. They aren't as good. So unless you're saying he purposely mis-throws the ball to make his WRs work for their money then Brady cannot make them, thus he it is proof that he cannot do what Manning does.
if can't do what Manning does you mean lose in the playoffs, agreed.
Going by the topic of this thread; the can't do what Manning does means getting into heaven.
if joe montana and dan marino were allowed to play with today's passing rules they may indeed put up better stats than Brady or Manning did at their best
go look at the stats of YA Title or Terry Bradshaw and tell me if they would look like stats you want from your QB in 2009 lol
i am not trying to argue anything of the sort.
not Brady >>> Montana, not Brady >>> Marino, not even Brady >>> Peyton.
just Brady is ONE of the greats.
and all I'm saying is he's one of the very goods on a great team, like Aikman and Simms were.
and Marino's stats through his first seven full years a better than Brady's and Manning's so I don't know why Hack would bring up Marino "maybe" being able to do it just as well as the new guys. He did it better. Montana had the huge advantage of playing with Walsh so he gets no excuse either.