tom brady is going to hell (not my opinion, read this)

[OG Hack Wilson]

Manning shits on Brady.

As a person and as a QB

As a person, Roman Polansky shits on Brady.

i'm so glad that when we look back in the history books, there's a big 15 game stretch where Tom Brady couldn't add to his career stats

[Shallow]

Manning shits on Brady.

As a person and as a QB

As a person, Roman Polansky shits on Brady.

i'm so glad that when we look back in the history books, there's a big 15 game stretch where Tom Brady couldn't add to his career stats

I'm just waiting for him to have a falling out with Giselle and little Jet Monyhan can have a little half brother; Colt Bundcheon. Hopefully he'll leave Giselle for Daniel Radcliffe. So I can have a good laugh.

[Primo]

Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.

[Chamillitary Click]

Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.

don't even look this way homie lol.

i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up.

[Shallow]

Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.

don't even look this way homie lol.

i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up.

Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.

It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.

[Chamillitary Click]

Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.

don't even look this way homie lol.

i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up.

Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.

It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.

see, when you say things like that, i have to scratch my head.

this year, alright Brees > Brady (so far); but Roth, Eli & Carson Palmer? C'MON!

he averaged 8.3 yards a pass in '07, Peyton only did better than that once in '04, which was his best season.

Eli has never done it.

Carson Palmer? never did that.

Big Ben surprised me & did it twice, but he hasn't since his first two years.

most importantly, it's a proven winning offense.

the problem here is neither of us can prove our points; mine being that no matter where he went he would still be good, even under a different offensive gameplan & yours appearing to be that he wouldn't do shit under a different offense.

until he or Bill leaves, we won't know; but i am going to take the rings he's won & say "pretty impressive".

[Shallow]

Have you ever heard of that B.O.B song "Haters". I hum this to this thread.

don't even look this way homie lol.

i am pitching for Brady's greatness to be acknowledged & i'm a Jet fan, i don't know why i would make that up.

Acknowledged? You feel the need to champion a guy that gets debated about being the best ever because you think he's under-rated? That makes no sense. I don't think he sucks. I just know he's no better than Eli, and less valuable to a team than Brees, Roth, or even Palmer. Look at the difference in Cinci when Palmer isn't healthy, and look at NE when Brady isn't healthy; an AFC Championship win and an 11-5 season. And it's not like his back up was Steve Young who was great in his on right. It was Matt fucking Cassel.

It's mainly system on that team. Quinn is officially a bust i the NFL, but if tomorrow Charlie Wies was hired in Cleveland as OC he'd be top 10 of '10 no problem.

see, when you say things like that, i have to scratch my head.

this year, alright Brees > Brady (so far); but Roth, Eli & Carson Palmer? C'MON!

he averaged 8.3 yards a pass in '07, Peyton only did better than that once in '04, which was his best season.

Eli has never done it.

Carson Palmer? never did that.

Big Ben surprised me & did it twice, but he hasn't since his first two years.

most importantly, it's a proven winning offense.

the problem here is neither of us can prove our points; mine being that no matter where he went he would still be good, even under a different offensive gameplan & yours appearing to be that he wouldn't do shit under a different offense.

until he or Bill leaves, we won't know; but i am going to take the rings he's won & say "pretty impressive".

I say it by watching them play, not by watching the numbers. The Pats are every year in the top 5 for YAC. Every QB gets lucky with that sometimes, but the Wies system was built for it and does it the best. Yeah Peyton had over 9 his top year, and then tied Brady's best the next year, but that's not why he's better. He's better because he does more with less. I could give a fuck who the WRs are on each team or how much they get paid. I have seen every Pat and Colt game since they both started playing. I was a Bills fan the whole time and watched the inter-division games so I saw who was good and who was lucky. Peyton Manning does not have as much time in the pocket as Brady. He doesn't have as many wide open WRs as Brady. He doesn't have the blocking system Brady does. Yes Peyton historically had a better single RB, but the Patriots always had a double back system whose yards from scrimmage toppled the Colts scrimmage yards. The Pats were a lot bigger on small passes to the RB, and that's why the rushing yards looked smaller most years. The Colts were built around starters and only letting those starters play most of the game. The Pats were built around team and filling the team with interchangeable players. That's why Drew Bledsoe can walk into an AFC Championship Game mid-way through and the team doesn't lose a step, then go to Buffalo the next few years and can't break 500. Or have Cassel come in and go 11-5. Then go 1-5 the next year for KC.

I wasn't a Manning fan or a Brady hater. I was a Bills guy, who even cheered for the Pats against the Rams and the Eagles. But when it came down to who I'd rather have on my Bills team as QB it's not even a question. The Bills would do way better with Manning the last 8 years, every year, with out a doubt in my mind.

[Chamillitary Click]

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would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.

i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".

when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.

[Shallow]

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would i say Brady is a top 5 QB ever? no. would i even say Brady is hands down the best QB today? no, Peyton is probably the better pure QB. but you guys make him out to be some second rate QB who doesn't deserve a job in the NFL lol.

i have to admit, i am a little biased towards not liking Peyton Manning. Tom Brady gets Randy Moss & does what he did & it's "because of Randy Moss, otherwise he couldn't do it". where if Peyton did that it would be, "well as you can see he has taken Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne & Anthony Gonzales (obviously not talking about this season) & he turned them into amazing recievers, because he is THAT good".

when in reality he had probably the best recieving core in Football, but it's all Peyton, because Peyton does it.

No one would ever say Peyton would make Randy better. Randy would make Peyton a 35+ TD a year QB, rather than a 25+ TD a year QB. The reason Peyton gets more credit than his WRs is because he doesn't miss a step when they get injured or taken out of the game. They lose Harrison to a injury a couple times when it was "yeah, but Manning has Harrison" and then all of a sudden Wayne becomes a "yeah but" WR. Stokely comes in as a run of the mill WR and becomes a premier slot receiver. Then Harrison gets replaced by Gonzalez and Gonzo goes down in game one, only to have Garcon and Collie rotating huge games. The reason for all this is because Peyton's throws and decisions are better over the course of the last 10 years and no other QB comes close. Some have great years here and there and pass him, but then they fall behind.

It is the only winning team in the NFL that relies on a pass offense to win games. The defense is built to stop the pass after the offense takes the lead. That's how they are coached. It isn't ideal in my mind because it causes them to lose a lot of important close games where teams can keep running, but Peyton Manning is the only QB in the league you can build a team like that around and win enough games to make the playoffs, every year.

All those other teams are built to beat you everywhere on the field; NE, NYG, BAL, PIT, TB. They all won superbowls because they could make it count in crunch time and never needed to rely on superstar QB play to make it. And guess what? The only time Indy made it all the way through was when the "team" played better than the QB all playoffs, and that's what each of those SB winners above did. The last three Colt playoff losses, Peyton outplayed his own team and it wasn't enough. Other QBs on good years can make it work with Indy like Peyton does (I don't think quite as well, but well enough) and those QBs are Brees, Roth (because a collapsing pocket is his specialty), Palmer and Favre if healthy all year, and Warner. I can't think of any other QB on Indy the last 3 or 4 years making more than 1 playoff appearance with them. Sorry, Brady doesn't make the cut.

What does best pure QB mean? Manning's better at throwing, but Brady is better at tackling? I'll give Brady some credit though, he does a jumping first down chop better than any QB I've seen in my 20 years of watching NFL. It's a work of art!

[Chamillitary Click]

^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.

whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.

sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.

[Shallow]

^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.

whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.

sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.

Throwing a 3.5 yard pass that goes for 15 to 50 yards is a result of an amazing offensive system filled with guys that can block and any Qb as good or better than Kyle Orton. Manning can stand there and toss it 4 yards no problem. Brady can't do what Manning does. That's the difference. The other difference is that trough their first 7 full time years Manning has nearly an entire seasons worth more TDs than Brady. He throws more on average. We'll see through the next 7 years of Tom's career if that changes. So they are clearly not the same at scoring. No matter how you slice it.

[Chamillitary Click]

^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.

whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.

sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.

Brady can't do what Manning does.

prove it.

[Shallow]

^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.

whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.

sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.

Brady can't do what Manning does.

prove it.

Just watch his throws. They aren't as good. So unless you're saying he purposely mis-throws the ball to make his WRs work for their money then Brady cannot make them, thus he it is proof that he cannot do what Manning does.

[Chamillitary Click]

^Manning has a more precise arm, a stronger arm, but at scoring the ball i'd say they are about equal.

whether Brady throws 25 3.5 yard passes, every play on a drive & Peyton throws two 45 yard passes, a TD is a TD, a win is a win, a ring is ring.

sure, Manning can make a throw on a dime & can bomb the the ball with the same accuracy, but in the world of QB's, throwing touchdown passes is all that should matter.

Brady can't do what Manning does.

prove it.

Just watch his throws. They aren't as good. So unless you're saying he purposely mis-throws the ball to make his WRs work for their money then Brady cannot make them, thus he it is proof that he cannot do what Manning does.

if can't do what Manning does you mean lose in the playoffs, agreed.

[OG Hack Wilson]

if joe montana and dan marino were allowed to play with today's passing rules they may indeed put up better stats than Brady or Manning did at their best



go look at the stats of YA Title or Terry Bradshaw and tell me if they would look like stats you want from your QB in 2009 lol