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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: D-Nice on December 04, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
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Man at the beginning of the year, if you were to read the threads in here, you would think Dre was on life support. You would get comments like Mannie Fresh>Dr. Dre in here. Now after Relapse, BISD, Refill and a infamous pic with Game and Snoop, all is quiet. What's up with that? ;D
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real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)
and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every time
the relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
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real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)
and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every time
the relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
But were those albums weak in your opinion because of the artists or the beats?
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still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
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still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
No doubt but at the same token he is far from finished as far as being wack either.
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well it was the artists i wasnt feelin
so overall the production was cool and was too good for the artist it was given to especially some of relapse stuff but again for dre he needed to have brought more heat than what he did..it was as if he went backwards
and yeah he still got heat but he really hasnt brought str8 fire in a minute
i mean were talkin STR8
AMAZIN
FIRE
BANGIN
IMO RZA has made traxx bein on those levels and prolly only rza
real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)
and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every time
the relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
But were those albums weak in your opinion because of the artists or the beats?
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still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
i agree. though, in my opinion he's done more dope beats than wack ones this year, but i've yet to get that "WOW" from a beat. Though he has come close.
but dont worry, one wack beat n the critics will be swarming ;)
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His beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.
I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.
And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.
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still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
No doubt but at the same token he is far from finished as far as being wack either.
No doubt. He's still got it, but he's not amazing anymore either. There's no reason to sit around waiting for the next Dre record. If it comes it comes.
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His beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.
I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.
And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.
Good shit man, I agree with everything you said. +1. Theres alotta dope producers like the ones you said that are making iller beats than Dre. Not saying that his beats arent dope, but they dont have that "wow" factor. Damn, I'm feelin Neptunes beats more than Dre beats right now. The best Dre beat in awhile was "Shit Popped Off." That beat was fuckin dope but its just a loop too.
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well it was the artists i wasnt feelin
so overall the production was cool and was too good for the artist it was given to especially some of relapse stuff but again for dre he needed to have brought more heat than what he did..it was as if he went backwards
and yeah he still got heat but he really hasnt brought str8 fire in a minute
i mean were talkin STR8
AMAZIN
FIRE
BANGIN
IMO RZA has made traxx bein on those levels and prolly only rza
Never really heard much of RZA so wat songs do u recommend I check out that shows how great of a producer you say he is?
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Maybe becuz fans R awaiting for Dre to bring those Chronic/2001 styles of beat,
not those pop mixed beats or wack artists on average beats,
but those typical west coast beats, that G-funk style.
IMO, ppl can still wait for those incredible beats, he won't bring em anymore until he keeps on working with the ppl he works today. He needs to work with the ppl he used to work with, not shady & co.
In other words,
Back when.... = 98% dope, 2% nope.
Nowadays... = 60% dope, 40% nope.
& did u ever think that ppl were tired of seeing those same threads again & again, which that doesn't mean that they not still thinking the same
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Dre should hook up with Wideawake & release his og's. I am sure a vast majority of the fans out there would like that!
This seems kind of irrelevant to the topic. It would be great to hear some of those old records but it really will do nothing for how he's viewed as a producer in 2009.
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The thing with dre is his best work sets the bar so high that pretty good isnt good enough for the dedicated / picky / listener. Personally i am more likely to listen to a snippet of an artist i dont really listen to / haven t heard if it has (prod. by Dr. Dre) after it. Interesting side note If they still coming out with new leaked pac material now imagine how long dres shit will be in circulation after he passes god forbid (must have enough to release albums for 30+ years i would have thought)
His beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.
I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.
And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.
Yeah totally agree
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Im totally digging Dre's now style on beats (im talking bout the ones on relapse and the relapse refill) The drums are loud as fuck and bang hard as hell and the whole orchestra shit is insane. His mixing and mastering is still top notch i just love listenin to the beats on high volume.
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still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
No doubt but at the same token he is far from finished as far as being wack either.
Dre never left
His beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.
I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.
And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.
Good shit man, I agree with everything you said. +1. Theres alotta dope producers like the ones you said that are making iller beats than Dre. Not saying that his beats arent dope, but they dont have that "wow" factor. Damn, I'm feelin Neptunes beats more than Dre beats right now. The best Dre beat in awhile was "Shit Popped Off." That beat was fuckin dope but its just a loop too.
are you kidding me?
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well it was the artists i wasnt feelin
so overall the production was cool and was too good for the artist it was given to especially some of relapse stuff but again for dre he needed to have brought more heat than what he did..it was as if he went backwards
and yeah he still got heat but he really hasnt brought str8 fire in a minute
i mean were talkin STR8
AMAZIN
FIRE
BANGIN
IMO RZA has made traxx bein on those levels and prolly only rza
real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)
and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every time
the relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
But were those albums weak in your opinion because of the artists or the beats?
I agree with this post right here. Dre was still good but the artists took a bit of shine off the beats by not coming correct on them (IMO)
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real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)
and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every time
the relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
8 Diagrams and some of Bobby Digital stuff disagrees with this :laugh:
But as someone said the beats he's making need to change up a bit more to be on the same level as shit like Xxplosive. But there's definitely a lot of heat and I like how Dre is sticking to his style and not making these JUSTICE League type tracks like a lot of other producers are doing.
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Im totally digging Dre's now style on beats (im talking bout the ones on relapse and the relapse refill) The drums are loud as fuck and bang hard as hell and the whole orchestra shit is insane. His mixing and mastering is still top notch i just love listenin to the beats on high volume.
Yep. The "Relapse: Refill" album (whole 27 tracks) is the best produced cd since 2001 imo. Just the whole sequencing, beats sound crips and clean, I still haven't got tired of them after 6 months... of course I imagine that Detox will have a little more bounce to it in contrast with the more simplistic beats Eminem usually picks. "Hell Breaks Loose" is a perfect example of that, if Detox sounds like this then I'll be more than happy.
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And I think that there's still nobody fucking with Dre.
I had my money on:
a) J.R. but he went m.i.a. in the past 2 years, only messing with rnb artists, making some corny rnb beats. I'm hoping he has some shit on R.E.D. because they have great chemistry
b) Simillar with Just Blaze, also went quiet, except for the 2 fruity beats he did for T.I. and Maino but I still have high hopes for him.
c) Then there's Khalil, who's of course very dope but his mixing is still weak, his beats just don't sound as big as Dre's in a proper system. Once he masters that it's gonna be a different story
d) Neptunes are also great, lot's of variety, also big sounding beats that sometimes sound out of this world but they usually have low replay value
The only one that's a real competition right now imo is Kanye West.
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
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Only beat on "Relapse" that was really "amazing" was "Stay Wide Awake". You can hear that Dre is workin with other musicians these days.
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
in terms of lyrics relapse was great. you can only front on his subject matter, but thats it
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
Definitely meant more your 2nd meaning on critic then the first. People definitely have the right to critique anyones work but it seems like at times Dre's work is like you said given the groupie treatment both ways. Did the thread more to spark dialogue on how people really felt about his music and as always you give the real. Dope ass post, +1
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his shit is always far from wack, but just cause of the standard set by earlier work and the musical directions, some of the newer stuff has been far from classic imo. i don't really dig the whole relapse sound as much as most people but i can understand the concept of the drums and overall sound being tailored for eminem.
my main problem is the bounce/warmth issue that somebody else touched on. also the loop thing. some of the more recent beats are on some real movie style vibe, but they only really hint at the full potential. i would expect a lot more varied instrumentation to be used effectively and tracks to just 'open up' and reveal a bigger picture. if detox is just plain loops, however dope, that will be a tad dissapointing.
any shit as dope as 'outta control remix' is straight though 8)
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his shit is always far from wack, but just cause of the standard set by earlier work and the musical directions, some of the newer stuff has been far from classic imo. i don't really dig the whole relapse sound as much as most people but i can understand the concept of the drums and overall sound being tailored for eminem.
my main problem is the bounce/warmth issue that somebody else touched on. also the loop thing. some of the more recent beats are on some real movie style vibe, but they only really hint at the full potential. i would expect a lot more varied instrumentation to be used effectively and tracks to just 'open up' and reveal a bigger picture. if detox is just plain loops, however dope, that will be a tad dissapointing.
any shit as dope as 'outta control remix' is straight though 8)
Agreed. The majority of beats I hear from Dre now, I can more or less picture Em on them excluding Death To My Enemies. Dre's sound evolved a bit once Em was signed but back then he was also working with Xzibit, Snoop and others. IF and when these collabos with Game surface on the R.E.D. album, I am interested to see what he cooks up for that as well. The last Dre beat that had me completely floored post Outta Control would have to be Murder Dem Murderers.
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Dre is making cool shit nowadays. Don't know how he let Eminem get away with that Herman ass flow on the Relapse Sessions but the beats was hot. I just hope he don't go the "Hell Breaks Loose" flow route on Detox, the nerdiness in Dre's personality shines a lil' too much lol and it just sounds too forced. Dr. Dre just needs the right subject matter, flow, and guest on his shit and shit'll be fine. It's just getting more right (noticable) that Dre is getting old and should just fall back and let the "newer" generation of artist take the front seat. Dr. Dre has always been my favorite "producer" next to Paul & J but I think it's safe to say that Detox should be the curtain call. Who knows, maybe him, Snoop, Em, Game, & 50 will drop a group album one day; now that shit will be :o but even I wouldn't be foolish enough to think it'll be the new "New" (get it). Bottom line, the newer Dre instrumentals are cool (variation is needed tho) and if Detox comes out it won't be so bad, it probably won't be the greatest thing we've ever heard but it ain't like music has ever been "Wine".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbtvg95U-nw&feature=related
*edited in*: I hope Detox gets a lil' mo gangsta with those beats tho, Relapse had hot beats but I want a lil funk and especially some crucial hard shit, WE NEED THAT!
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Smh @ niggas actin like they wasn't raised on Dr Dre production. The fact that dude been makin BANGERS for 20 + years he should NEVER be called wacc. I'm seein all these names thrown out, dope no question, but Dre was makin classics when they was ridin big wheels. I'm interested to know what songs ur comparin him to. The Games "higher" Snoops "Imagine" Bishops "grow up" T.I."Shit pops of"Bustas "get u some" and "Topless" that 50 tracc... I could go on and on.my point is, in hip hop years Dre been dope for 4 generations and honestly can out produce, mix, master all of his students.that alone should have enough "wow" factor. Dude produced the #1 sellin rap album of 2009 main.callin him wack is just nutso. But I'm high rite now so I'm venting lol
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Ain't nobody callin' him wack, some people just don't like his new productions.
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Ain't nobody callin' him wack, some people just don't like his new productions.
it's not even that, homie is trying to hard to be so secretive about shit and then when it comes out, you go like "is that it".
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like he is mozart ;D
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Never really heard much of RZA so wat songs do u recommend I check out that shows how great of a producer you say he is?
if you never heard the Wu-tang classics then ...wow
but here's some recent RZA work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riKJleojKFI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZcgtmZpS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JRWh9r6TbY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XEupdv0i2A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqFAvYX1mL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l95N4Khqafw&feature=related
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I havent heard any Dre shit this year that knocked my socks off, I dont know what all the hype is about.
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He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
I'm pretty sure that if you put Snoop, Kurupt, Nate, Xzibit, Cube, and a couple of other foolios on the Relapse beats, Dubcc would be going ape shit sideways somersault over those beats..
But because it's Eminem, too often using atrocious kiddie antics, the beats gets degraded by default.. couple it with a bad or annoying hook, and the beat doesn't get 1/3rd the shine it deserves.
Em can still murder a Dre-beat, but he ruins it with the childish stuff, noises, the Reeves disses, and hooks ranging from average to bad.
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^^Im agree with those last 2 posts
Ain't nobody callin' him wack, some people just don't like his new productions.
it's not even that, homie is trying to hard to be so secretive about shit and then when it comes out, you go like "is that it".
& this one too ^^
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Mayne dre. is doing dre...im not a fan of all this perfectionest bullshit,but im very pleased that dre makes loopish style beats ..thats part of hiphop.hell (rza,premo,)all except the southern cats make loopish beats....these new producers now days just use heavy bass,and claps or snares..dre is old school,he fucks with the (BOOM,BAP) theory ya dig. ;)
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I was one of the haters str8 up. But after the work he did on the Relapse album man I'm taking my ball and going home!
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
Definitely meant more your 2nd meaning on critic then the first. People definitely have the right to critique anyones work but it seems like at times Dre's work is like you said given the groupie treatment both ways. Did the thread more to spark dialogue on how people really felt about his music and as always you give the real. Dope ass post, +1
looks like you succeeded, once again!
good job 8)
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This thread needs more instrumentals
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dre def fell off. his shit seems so simple and generic these days compared to his former self. refill had some mediocre ass beats. i dug the last one and music box but other then that it was pretty weak and neither of those are like a tenth as good as the shit he cranked out through the 90's and early 2000's.
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He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
I'm pretty sure that if you put Snoop, Kurupt, Nate, Xzibit, Cube, and a couple of other foolios on the Relapse beats, Dubcc would be going ape shit sideways somersault over those beats..
But because it's Eminem, too often using atrocious kiddie antics, the beats gets degraded by default.. couple it with a bad or annoying hook, and the beat doesn't get 1/3rd the shine it deserves.
Em can still murder a Dre-beat, but he ruins it with the childish stuff, noises, the Reeves disses, and hooks ranging from average to bad.
Snoop can still murder a dre beat but he doesnt get enough. Kurupt who knows, etc etc etc, its kool to talk about if and buts but it was eminem who had all those beats on relapse and encore etc, and it was his cd which we're talking about. Best produced cd since 2001 doesnt mean best beats since 2001 and even if you want to talk solely about beats, its nowhere near the best produced cd since 2001.
Anyway i agree, eminem can still murder a dre track even if he aint shit in comparison to what he used to be, just like snoop etc, but in regards to relapse, its nothing more than an average cd at best, noway in hell is it the best produced cd since 2001. Alot of the beats sound recycled and some of the stuff is nice, but best produced cd since 2001? Hell nawww
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
Definitely meant more your 2nd meaning on critic then the first. People definitely have the right to critique anyones work but it seems like at times Dre's work is like you said given the groupie treatment both ways. Did the thread more to spark dialogue on how people really felt about his music and as always you give the real. Dope ass post, +1
looks like you succeeded, once again!
good job 8)
yeh props dnice, you got discussion goin, no fault in that, its not even stupid talk either, so def a decent thread! ;)
Just realise thers a different between being critical and those who catch feelings aka haters ;-)
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The only real Dre fans are Dre critics as well.
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Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.
But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001.
for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.
Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.
Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.
People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.
And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
Definitely meant more your 2nd meaning on critic then the first. People definitely have the right to critique anyones work but it seems like at times Dre's work is like you said given the groupie treatment both ways. Did the thread more to spark dialogue on how people really felt about his music and as always you give the real. Dope ass post, +1
looks like you succeeded, once again!
good job 8)
yeh props dnice, you got discussion goin, no fault in that, its not even stupid talk either, so def a decent thread! ;)
Just realise thers a different between being critical and those who catch feelings aka haters ;-)
oh yeah I definitely get that lol. :)
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refill belongs in a landfill. shits so wack.
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dre def fell off. his shit seems so simple and generic these days compared to his former self. refill had some mediocre ass beats. i dug the last one and music box but other then that it was pretty weak and neither of those are like a tenth as good as the shit he cranked out through the 90's and early 2000's.
his instrumentals are never complex
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i dont really feel all the eminem beats he made.. some of them are good, but not one GREAT beat
hope detox doesnt sound like that
2001 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relapse refill reload relax whateva
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All the cuts he did with Em I thought Dre is still the greatest... for some reasons others fall off, but he still has the midas touch... Eminem though can't get the magic back that he had from 98-2003
As for the other stuff you mentioned I really haven't heard it yet
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Dre is back? since when?
the she thang still doing her thang but he's no where near the level he was when 2001 dropped
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i think we'll see what dre has to offer when he put snoop, kurupt, game or xzibit over his beats.. 50 and Em sounds too simple imo
peace