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Quote from: Matty on December 04, 2009, 09:41:57 PMstill not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.No doubt but at the same token he is far from finished as far as being wack either.
still not really convinced that dre is BACK with that pure fire yet.
Quote from: anash50 on December 04, 2009, 10:05:01 PMHis beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.Good shit man, I agree with everything you said. +1. Theres alotta dope producers like the ones you said that are making iller beats than Dre. Not saying that his beats arent dope, but they dont have that "wow" factor. Damn, I'm feelin Neptunes beats more than Dre beats right now. The best Dre beat in awhile was "Shit Popped Off." That beat was fuckin dope but its just a loop too.
His beats on relapse and refill are the best things he's done in a longgg time. Some were very interesting, and some were excellent.I think that Dre's BIGGEST problem is that he insists on every beat being 4-8ish bars looped ad nauseum. No tempo changes, no key changes, no switch ups, no instrument changes, just a loop. Sometimes its an extremely hot loop (Imagine), sometimes there's like one instrument added on the chorus (Hallelujah), but his shit is just too loop based. It makes the beats feel plodding and deliberate.And this is an age where producers such as the neptunes, JUSTICE league, Khalil and others continue to increase the musical sophistication in their beats. Dre's shit is a little too simple right now. His second biggest problem is that the drums just feel so plodding and heavy. It's like he's trying to FORCE you to bounce to the beat. His beats really have no groove whatsoever right now. And it's weird cuz his g-funk beats always had a great groove.
well it was the artists i wasnt feelin so overall the production was cool and was too good for the artist it was given to especially some of relapse stuff but again for dre he needed to have brought more heat than what he did..it was as if he went backwardsand yeah he still got heat but he really hasnt brought str8 fire in a minutei mean were talkin STR8 AMAZINFIREBANGINIMO RZA has made traxx bein on those levels and prolly only rza Quote from: D~Nice on December 04, 2009, 09:40:19 PMQuote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on December 04, 2009, 09:37:37 PMreal talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every timethe relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible But were those albums weak in your opinion because of the artists or the beats?
Quote from: GET YOUR WALK ON on December 04, 2009, 09:37:37 PMreal talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every timethe relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible But were those albums weak in your opinion because of the artists or the beats?
real talk im still not i guess sayin hes back cuz he really hasnt made anythin amazin (but yet hes considered as the mosty amazin producer ever)and thats why IMO RZA gets him cuz RZA is somethin else and does it every timethe relapse album wasnt all that IMO, and bisd is terrible
Im totally digging Dre's now style on beats (im talking bout the ones on relapse and the relapse refill) The drums are loud as fuck and bang hard as hell and the whole orchestra shit is insane. His mixing and mastering is still top notch i just love listenin to the beats on high volume.
Depends what you mean by this thread. If you're syaing a critic is someone who is not allowed is just simply a hater, this thread is immature, if you're saying that where are those that just hated on dre for hating, then its another thing.But a critic is important and i'll say to this day that dre went through a patch where he fell off big time. He def looking good with the beats on refill though, not so much on relapse, thats decent, some nice stuff but noway in hell is that the best produced cd since 2001. for me its like being critical of eminem for the way he spits come encore/relapse, the shit was terrible in terms or lyricism and as quality music. Should critics stay quiet because of the stuff he has put out before or be critical of it? There really not much difference between a hater and a groupie...being critical though is completely different.Dre coming with some major nice beats right now, the stuff he did on BISD and Refill are both very good, so the instrumentals are def looking straight and hopefully we'll soon start seeing the whole package with it being an amazing track too to complete the instrumental.Thats why i dont stay on nobody nuts, dres my fav producer of all time, easily, but i can recognize when dudes dropping heat and when he is slippin.People who just love or hate everything someone does because they a 'fan' or 'dislike' *cough* groupie/hater *cough* someone make me laugh. Those who can judge without catchin feelings are the people i respect most personally.And i agree with meho, when dres on top form nobodies touching him because he can do it all, but when the likes of neptunes/timbaland/khalil/jr/blaze/rza amongst others all come at they're peak too, they can all make just as good and better beats than dre too. Theres alot of talent in the producers who came through the hiphop ranks.
his shit is always far from wack, but just cause of the standard set by earlier work and the musical directions, some of the newer stuff has been far from classic imo. i don't really dig the whole relapse sound as much as most people but i can understand the concept of the drums and overall sound being tailored for eminem.my main problem is the bounce/warmth issue that somebody else touched on. also the loop thing. some of the more recent beats are on some real movie style vibe, but they only really hint at the full potential. i would expect a lot more varied instrumentation to be used effectively and tracks to just 'open up' and reveal a bigger picture. if detox is just plain loops, however dope, that will be a tad dissapointing.any shit as dope as 'outta control remix' is straight though
Ain't nobody callin' him wack, some people just don't like his new productions.