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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Unforgivable by Sean John on April 02, 2010, 09:32:05 AM
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This is not intended to be a shock post... but I've heard rumors that he did.
Cali Love is one of the few Dre tracks that I haven't heard a co-producer associated with, so yea.
What's interesting is that both versions of Cali Love don't sound characteristic of Dre's or Quik's style. So who knows.
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
its roger troutman.
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look at the credits, who you thought it was?
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Sam Sneed
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
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As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
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Sam Sneed
This would be most probable, but I don't think Dr. Dre had a co-producer on it.
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
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As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
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i thought he did co produce california love remix, but i wouldnt be suprised if it was completely dre
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
:o
As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
playing keys is not the same as producing
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suge said laylaw and some other guy did the track, and Dre heard it, and bought it off them
If anyone did any co production on the track, then i would guess that Barney rubble did, since he is credited with Keyboard work. Although the song is just a loop of a Joe Cocker record
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Also Carl Butch Small is credited for percussion on California Love. Between Dre, Barney, and Carl I think that was probably the core team of people to make the track. Dre was the one and only producer in the literal meaning of it.
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Also Carl Butch Small is credited for percussion on California Love. Between Dre, Barney, and Carl I think that was probably the core team of people to make the track. Dre was the one and only producer in the literal meaning of it.
Yep.. this was solely a Dre, Barney Rubble, Carl Butch Small production.. Troutman on the talkbox, no Sam Sneed, no DJ Quik.
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suge said laylaw and some other guy did the track, and Dre heard it, and bought it off them
If anyone did any co production on the track, then i would guess that Barney rubble did, since he is credited with Keyboard work. Although the song is just a loop of a Joe Cocker record
Do we have any reason to believe Suge on that one?
I mean, I guess it's possible that Laylaw had a cali love demo, Dre bought it, and then him Barney and Butch beefed it up into a monster.
Sidenote: who is Laylaw? I see him listed as a producer for Livin Like Hustlers, which was a classic of course... what else did he produce though?
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the only connection he had to "California Love" was appearing in the Remix Video
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the only connection he had to "California Love" was appearing in the Remix Video
i think quik helped mix all eyez on me if im not mistaken, that would be the only thing quik had 2 do with cali love. thats not even quiks style
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Quik helping Dre mix the song, that's awkward
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suge said laylaw and some other guy did the track, and Dre heard it, and bought it off them
Do we have any reason to believe Suge on that one?
I mean, I guess it's possible that Laylaw had a cali love demo, Dre bought it, and then him Barney and Butch beefed it up into a monster.
Sidenote: who is Laylaw? I see him listed as a producer for Livin Like Hustlers, which was a classic of course... what else did he produce though?
Stay tuned.... :)
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suge said laylaw and some other guy did the track, and Dre heard it, and bought it off them
If anyone did any co production on the track, then i would guess that Barney rubble did, since he is credited with Keyboard work. Although the song is just a loop of a Joe Cocker record
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=133097&id=100000154060406#!/profile.php?id=100000154060406
^^^^ laylaws facebook. scroll down to october 29th 2009. he posted a video of cali love remix 'Thought You Knew,... - FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
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also cali love remix was posted on laylaws facebook on the 23rd of october with 'California Knons How To Party,... - FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
and on the 5th of october 'California Keeps It's Rockin' - FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
and the 1st of october 'Don't Get It Twisted - FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
and 14th of sept 'Myself & D-Maq did the remix for California Love on the day of the million man march,... FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
he also posted michel'le songs that i think dre got credited with.
maybe suge wasnt talking shit this time
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suge said laylaw and some other guy did the track, and Dre heard it, and bought it off them
Do we have any reason to believe Suge on that one?
I mean, I guess it's possible that Laylaw had a cali love demo, Dre bought it, and then him Barney and Butch beefed it up into a monster.
Sidenote: who is Laylaw? I see him listed as a producer for Livin Like Hustlers, which was a classic of course... what else did he produce though?
Stay tuned.... :)
so are you trying to say you have the demo of the song.... or that you know someone with it? lol.
i mean... i think this could be another example of a song where Dre bought a demo and then beefed it up into a monster. Isn't that the course that Natural Born Killaz and Keep Their Heads Ringing took? I mean, hell, Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones were sent demos during the Thriller sessions, and some of them were accepted and then fleshed out into classics (i.e. Human Nature). This isn't a new thing in music, and really shouldn't be used to discredit Dre.
Like compare the Human Nature demo to the final version (if you can find the demo). It's clear that Michael and Qunicy did as much work as the dude who wrote the OG demo (sorry forgot his name). So I'm sure plenty of songs take this path.
Wait here's another example. You go from Ain't No Fun OG (demo by Foesum), then supposedly there was another demo by Warren G and co., then there is the final version by Dre which is a classic.
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
:o
As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
J.Flexx wrote 3 of Dr Dre's verses for the original that was planned for his Chronic 2 album due for the summer of 96. Sneed did have minor keys on the original. Not the bass line, but the one note key that comes into play every so often, and the minor construction of the track. The rest, I assume (IMO) was done by J.flexx's production team. Dre was more or less forced into handing it over by Suge, but on better terms than the "You Can't See Me" track
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how many different versions of this song have leaked?
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how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
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^different sound, same sample i assume
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i posted up the Zapp & Roger remake the other day - both the OG and Remix beats are featured on it 8)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=246601.0
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
:o
As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
J.Flexx wrote 3 of Dr Dre's verses for the original that was planned for his Chronic 2 album due for the summer of 96. Sneed did have minor keys on the original. Not the bass line, but the one note key that comes into play every so often, and the minor construction of the track. The rest, I assume (IMO) was done by J.flexx's production team. Dre was more or less forced into handing it over by Suge, but on better terms than the "You Can't See Me" track
With Flexx's production team being Dre, and Barney Rubble?
Damn, you seem to have the inside scoop. Was there a demo version done by Laylaw?
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
:o
As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
J.Flexx wrote 3 of Dr Dre's verses for the original that was planned for his Chronic 2 album due for the summer of 96. Sneed did have minor keys on the original. Not the bass line, but the one note key that comes into play every so often, and the minor construction of the track. The rest, I assume (IMO) was done by J.flexx's production team. Dre was more or less forced into handing it over by Suge, but on better terms than the "You Can't See Me" track
With Flexx's production team being Dre, and Barney Rubble?
Damn, you seem to have the inside scoop. Was there a demo version done by Laylaw?
quote from laylaws facebook from the 14th of sept last year
'Myself & D-Maq did the remix for California Love on the day of the million man march,... FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
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As far as I'm aware he didn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he had his hand in the production, especially of the remix. Could be him on the talkbox?
:o
As for this post, where did you hear said "rumors"? This smells of an attempt to start a rumor through a question to me. I apologize if that ain't the case but I've never heard of Quik producing anything for Dre before he he started Aftermath and even then, it was credited.
lol my bad if i did. I was on youtube last night and in one interview Suge was like "dre didn't produce california love'. but i would NOT take that seriously at all.
then a quick google search gave me two random threads from other boards where ppl were associating quik with the song.
This sounds NOTHING like a sneed production.
you know.. since it was written by J-Flexx... and it has Barney Rubble on the keys... it was probably created by that whole camp, so I'm gonna roll the dice and say its POSSIBLE there was a demo version with Flexx on the vocals and Barney Rubble on the beat. And then Dre and Pac turned it into the monster that it is now. For what it's worth, it reminds me of Barney's other productions (granted I have only heard like 7 (?) of his beats). But stylistically I could see him having an input in it.
J.Flexx wrote 3 of Dr Dre's verses for the original that was planned for his Chronic 2 album due for the summer of 96. Sneed did have minor keys on the original. Not the bass line, but the one note key that comes into play every so often, and the minor construction of the track. The rest, I assume (IMO) was done by J.flexx's production team. Dre was more or less forced into handing it over by Suge, but on better terms than the "You Can't See Me" track
With Flexx's production team being Dre, and Barney Rubble?
Damn, you seem to have the inside scoop. Was there a demo version done by Laylaw?
quote from laylaws facebook from the 14th of sept last year
'Myself & D-Maq did the remix for California Love on the day of the million man march,... FROM THE UPCOMING "LAWHOUSE GREATEST HITS" BOX SET...'
on one hand i don't have any reason to believe that.... he might just be looking for attention and sales.... but if that is true it's really shady if Dre stole it. but maybe he bought it from laylaw... idk. but i somehow doubt that dre would release a song without at least touching it himself.
Idk man hip-hop is a shady business..... idk if we'll ever really know who did what, so we should prob just let this go and enjoy the music.
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Can an artist/producer REALLY put out material if they aren't the ones legally credited to it?
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Can an artist/producer REALLY put out material if they aren't the ones legally credited to it?
lol are you referring to the fact that Laylaw is putting out a compilation of songs that are credited to other people? Who the hell knows.
Also it really should be noted that so many of these songs that we always talk about really were team efforts... like there might be 2 songwriters listed but who knows how many people touched it.
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lol are you referring to the fact that Laylaw is putting out a compilation of songs that are credited to other people? Who the hell knows.
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like if someone pays you for a song and you wave the credit in exchange for whatever compensation, it's not like you can go back and change the publishing credits on your own.
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how many versions in total tho?
how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
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how many versions in total tho?
how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
lol idk about the root of all evil... idk if that's really the same sample...
but there's only two versions of california love that are out there is the hit single and the remix from all eyez on me.
There is a version with three Dr. Dre verses over the same beat that is STILL unreleased.
There is a J-Flexx version with J-Flexx rapping those same three verses over the same beat that is still unreleased.
And there could be an early Laylaw demo of the song
idk when troutman was added so there could be non troutman versions of the song.
and even if dre bought the beat from laylaw... i doubt he'd release it without at least tweaking it, so that could just add to how many verions there really are...
and idk who knows there could be a scrapped version with a sam sneed verse. we may never know for sure.
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how many versions in total tho?
how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
lol idk about the root of all evil... idk if that's really the same sample...
drums sound very similar to the remix's. and the bass is the same
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how many versions in total tho?
how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
lol idk about the root of all evil... idk if that's really the same sample...
drums sound very similar to the remix's. and the bass is the same
yeap. I hear it now.
maybe laylaw did root of all evil and then dre turnt it into cali love remix?
honestly who the fuck knows. dre doesn't talk about dr anymore, i don't trust suge's word on this... it would really just be cool if wa would release the rest of what they've got, but who knows if that is happening lol.
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The remix bass line is from this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGsht0Lto9o
OG is from this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ87uqGH8Pk
Someone could have brought these samples to Dre, but he's the one who made them sound they way they are.
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^^^^exactly
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Could be him on the talkbox?
ARE YOU FOR REAL?????????????????
You gotta be kiddin' me
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Could be him on the talkbox?
ARE YOU FOR REAL?????????????????
You gotta be kiddin' me
I was sure that it was Roger on the talbox, since he's named in the liner notes and is in the video. I was merely just speculating and answering the thread-starter's question. Besides, Quik was on the talbox on Thug Passion so it wouldn't be entirely unbelievable.
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damn that laylaw version is prolly the best...to hear fareal
how many versions in total tho?
how many different versions of this song have leaked?
there was a version that sounded pretty similar to the California Love (Remix). It's called "The Root of All Evil (Outro)" off WIDEawake's 'Snoop Dogg - Lost Sessions Vol. 1'
sounds like it was a leftover from Doggystyle.
lol idk about the root of all evil... idk if that's really the same sample...
but there's only two versions of california love that are out there is the hit single and the remix from all eyez on me.
There is a version with three Dr. Dre verses over the same beat that is STILL unreleased.
There is a J-Flexx version with J-Flexx rapping those same three verses over the same beat that is still unreleased.
And there could be an early Laylaw demo of the song
idk when troutman was added so there could be non troutman versions of the song.
and even if dre bought the beat from laylaw... i doubt he'd release it without at least tweaking it, so that could just add to how many verions there really are...
and idk who knows there could be a scrapped version with a sam sneed verse. we may never know for sure.
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That is a big fat NEGATIVE.............Quik had no parts of that the original or remix he did do a lot of mixing under David Blake and produced other Pac songs